Pirelli engine vs MK6 engine

[guest12345]

Too much discussion on the power delivery of these 2 engines and nothing on the other substantial differences .....

The Pirelli has an old design of the 2.0T. The MK6 GTI (&Tiguan&Skoda RS) all have the latest version with many enhancements to it. Many changes have been made to make them more reliable and give them a longer life. The old engines do have some issues .....

Don't dish the new generation just because they make less power, rather focus on how much more advanced and better the new engine is in the long run.

and BTW the new generation engines cannot take a K04 as a straight swap and I'm pretty sure does not use a K03 anymore either.

EDIT:

I'd buy a MK6 GTI over a Pirelli anyday ... but then I'd buy a Tiguan over a MK6 GTI anyday as the advantages of AWD is just HUGE .... happy to demonstrate to a monster Pirelli what a Tiguan's taillights look like ...

"many enhancements"?? the difference is minimal, don't get sucked in to just because it is a mk6, therefore it "must" be better.

If you test drive both the mk6 n mk5 side by side, the difference is minimal, rather no existent, apart from the modification to the interior, the car is basically the same. mk5 pirelli compared to an mk5 or mk6 makes a huge difference in terms of performance.

As for your Tiguan... if someone spends the same amount of money on ANY gti model as you have, you'd be looking at the gti taillights! So i have no idea why you would even take a Tiguan into consideration.

Unless you are racing every single person off the line, AWD or not doesn't make much of a difference.

[team_v]

"many enhancements"?? the difference is minimal, don't get sucked in to just because it is a mk6, therefore it "must" be better.

If you test drive both the mk6 n mk5 side by side, the difference is minimal, rather no existent, apart from the modification to the interior, the car is basically the same. mk5 pirelli compared to an mk5 or mk6 makes a huge difference in terms of performance.

As for your Tiguan... if someone spends the same amount of money on ANY gti model as you have, you'd be looking at the gti taillights! So i have no idea why you would even take a Tiguan into consideration.

Unless you are racing every single person off the line, AWD or not doesn't make much of a difference.

The tiguan 125TSI ends up cheaper drive away than the GTI even after you add on APR stage 1 = 190kw.
So you have a 190kw AWD + cash vs 150kw FWD.
Sure the tiguan may be 250kg heavier (due to AWD system most likely) however you can spend the cash on suspension and good tyres and blitz the GTI even more by the time you reach parity with what you would have payed drive away for a stock GTI.

That is why i have gone the tiguan.
Also the extra space is a plus.

[Sharkie]

"many enhancements"?? the difference is minimal, don't get sucked in to just because it is a mk6, therefore it "must" be better.

Ummm ... no they are actually totally different engines .... do a bit of research on that .....

As for your Tiguan... if someone spends the same amount of money on ANY gti model as you have, you'd be looking at the gti taillights! So i have no idea why you would even take a Tiguan into consideration.

Unless you are racing every single person off the line, AWD or not doesn't make much of a difference.

Actually no .... again .... all that power in FWD mean no traction .... classic example where the Stg3 GTI in the Motor Tuner Test could not even crack 6s 0-100km/h .....

And , yes, once underway, the extra power of a modified Pirelli would help .... but even then at points trough the rev range traction is a problem. Not so in an AWD ..... which is why I have a Golf R on order ....

[guest12345]

The tiguan 125TSI ends up cheaper drive away than the GTI even after you add on APR stage 1 = 190kw.
So you have a 190kw AWD + cash vs 150kw FWD

That is why i have gone the tiguan.

you also have a nanny's car as well, you are also 300kg heavier as well.

Ummm ... no they are actually totally different engines .... do a bit of research on that .....



Actually no .... again .... all that power in FWD mean no traction .... classic example where the Stg3 GTI in the Motor Tuner Test could not even crack 6s 0-100km/h .....

And , yes, once underway, the extra power of a modified Pirelli would help .... but even then at points trough the rev range traction is a problem. Not so in an AWD ..... which is why I have a Golf R on order ....

different engine... so? it feels basically the same. you can call it engine a or z, if it practically does the same job, it really doesn't matter.

[Sharkie]

you also have a nanny's car as well, you are also 300kg heavier as well.

No, my wife has a nanny's car (the Tig) ... which will kick your Pirelli's but any way you like to look at it ....

I have a R coming with even more of that ....

[team_v]

you also have a nanny's car as well, you are also 300kg heavier as well.

Wow great argument there.
I am happy to have my tiguan, just becasue you are too blind to see it has more potential than most other cars for the price you pay.

I will happily blitz drivers with my $40k 200kw AWD machine.
And just so you know, its only 250kg heavier than a 5dr GTI.



The pirelli is a good bit of kit for the money but the Tiguan is a better option as it has a greater potential for everything the Golf can do (except maybe motorkhana but how many times would you be doing that???)

[guest12345]

Wow great argument there.
I am happy to have my tiguan, just becasue you are too blind to see it has more potential than most other cars for the price you pay.

I will happily blitz drivers with my 40k 200kw AWd machine.


And just so you know, its only 250kg heavier.

that's not really my point. I'm not saying you shouldn't or should like the tiguan, it is your choice. Maybe we are also at a different stage of our life. You are probably mid 30s, therefore a Tiguan would be more suitable, i'm in my early 20s, i don't think many people would choose a Tiguan, even if it does have alot of potential.

My dad owns a mercedes ml63 amg, its bloody quick, it doesn't mean i would want one at this stage of my life.

Plus an APR ECU upgrade on the pirelli, which cost like $1500 would blitz your Tiguain

[Sharkie]

Plus an APR ECU upgrade on the pirelli, which cost like $1500 would blitz your Tiguain

Ummm ... actually no ... from a standing start the Tig would have you easily ....

Bit of education needed here ... do yourself a favour and go drive 2 equally powered cars, 1 FWD and 1 AWD and see what happens. Then come back and tell us ....

EDIT: and the higher the power these cars make the bigger the difference ....

[team_v]

that's not really my point. I'm not saying you shouldn't or should like the tiguan, it is your choice. Maybe we are also at a different stage of our life. You are probably mid 30s, therefore a Tiguan would be more suitable, i'm in my early 20s, i don't think many people would choose a Tiguan, even if it does have alot of potential.

My dad owns a mercedes ml63 amg, its bloody quick, it doesn't mean i would want one at this stage of my life.

Plus an APR ECU upgrade on the pirelli, which cost like $1500 would blitz your Tiguain

I am 23.

Can a pirelli be had for under 40K with APR ecu update?
My Tig will come in under 40k for Intake and APR Chip plus AWD to get the power to the ground.

The pirelli is a different engine setup than the Tiguan though (K04) so the comparison is not valid.

The mk6GTI and Tiguan share the same engine setup so they are comparable in terms of power output.


The main problem is that 99% of the time, no one will ever use these cars to their true potential (track/motorkhana etc) so the car that is most practical is the better option imho.

[kryten2001]

and just so you know, its only 250kg heavier than a 5dr gti.

only 250KG??????? ONLY !!!!!?????

I'd agree with the other poster. None of these cars are true 'sports cars' by any significant measure. But I tell ya, a 1300kg car with 220+kw (albeit with a FWD) is a lot closer to that definition than a 190kw SUV with AWD. Hell, the wife's CX9 has a 220kw 6 cyl engine in it and AWD and it drives like a total barge!

The COG on that SUV would alone put it in a different class.....

Granted a Tuned R is going to be the puppy to watch out for. I'd still put my money on a tuned K04 over a tuned K03 and/or AWD SUV any day though.

Does the tiggy tip over if you go around corners too quick?