Pirelli engine vs MK6 engine

[Sharkie]

Too much discussion on the power delivery of these 2 engines and nothing on the other substantial differences .....

The Pirelli has an old design of the 2.0T. The MK6 GTI (&Tiguan&Skoda RS) all have the latest version with many enhancements to it. Many changes have been made to make them more reliable and give them a longer life. The old engines do have some issues .....

Don't dish the new generation just because they make less power, rather focus on how much more advanced and better the new engine is in the long run.

and BTW the new generation engines cannot take a K04 as a straight swap and I'm pretty sure does not use a K03 anymore either.

EDIT:

I'd buy a MK6 GTI over a Pirelli anyday ... but then I'd buy a Tiguan over a MK6 GTI anyday as the advantages of AWD is just HUGE .... happy to demonstrate to a monster Pirelli what a Tiguan's taillights look like ...

[M4RK0]

as said above. The Pirelli is basically an S3 without AWD They'll be a bloody bargain second hand in a couple of months too!

Hey Man,

But is not that engine on the new R? the one that will be replacing the R32?

Cheers!

[kryten2001]

happy to demonstrate to a monster Pirelli what a Tiguan's taillights look like ...

haha, whatever.

[guest12345]

Too much discussion on the power delivery of these 2 engines and nothing on the other substantial differences .....

The Pirelli has an old design of the 2.0T. The MK6 GTI (&Tiguan&Skoda RS) all have the latest version with many enhancements to it. Many changes have been made to make them more reliable and give them a longer life. The old engines do have some issues .....

Don't dish the new generation just because they make less power, rather focus on how much more advanced and better the new engine is in the long run.

and BTW the new generation engines cannot take a K04 as a straight swap and I'm pretty sure does not use a K03 anymore either.

EDIT:

I'd buy a MK6 GTI over a Pirelli anyday ... but then I'd buy a Tiguan over a MK6 GTI anyday as the advantages of AWD is just HUGE .... happy to demonstrate to a monster Pirelli what a Tiguan's taillights look like ...

"many enhancements"?? the difference is minimal, don't get sucked in to just because it is a mk6, therefore it "must" be better.

If you test drive both the mk6 n mk5 side by side, the difference is minimal, rather no existent, apart from the modification to the interior, the car is basically the same. mk5 pirelli compared to an mk5 or mk6 makes a huge difference in terms of performance.

As for your Tiguan... if someone spends the same amount of money on ANY gti model as you have, you'd be looking at the gti taillights! So i have no idea why you would even take a Tiguan into consideration.

Unless you are racing every single person off the line, AWD or not doesn't make much of a difference.

[team_v]

"many enhancements"?? the difference is minimal, don't get sucked in to just because it is a mk6, therefore it "must" be better.

If you test drive both the mk6 n mk5 side by side, the difference is minimal, rather no existent, apart from the modification to the interior, the car is basically the same. mk5 pirelli compared to an mk5 or mk6 makes a huge difference in terms of performance.

As for your Tiguan... if someone spends the same amount of money on ANY gti model as you have, you'd be looking at the gti taillights! So i have no idea why you would even take a Tiguan into consideration.

Unless you are racing every single person off the line, AWD or not doesn't make much of a difference.

The tiguan 125TSI ends up cheaper drive away than the GTI even after you add on APR stage 1 = 190kw.
So you have a 190kw AWD + cash vs 150kw FWD.
Sure the tiguan may be 250kg heavier (due to AWD system most likely) however you can spend the cash on suspension and good tyres and blitz the GTI even more by the time you reach parity with what you would have payed drive away for a stock GTI.

That is why i have gone the tiguan.
Also the extra space is a plus.

[Sharkie]

"many enhancements"?? the difference is minimal, don't get sucked in to just because it is a mk6, therefore it "must" be better.

Ummm ... no they are actually totally different engines .... do a bit of research on that .....

As for your Tiguan... if someone spends the same amount of money on ANY gti model as you have, you'd be looking at the gti taillights! So i have no idea why you would even take a Tiguan into consideration.

Unless you are racing every single person off the line, AWD or not doesn't make much of a difference.

Actually no .... again .... all that power in FWD mean no traction .... classic example where the Stg3 GTI in the Motor Tuner Test could not even crack 6s 0-100km/h .....

And , yes, once underway, the extra power of a modified Pirelli would help .... but even then at points trough the rev range traction is a problem. Not so in an AWD ..... which is why I have a Golf R on order ....

[Tim]

The Pirelli has an old design of the 2.0T. The MK6 GTI (&Tiguan&Skoda RS) all have the latest version with many enhancements to it. Many changes have been made to make them more reliable and give them a longer life. The old engines do have some issues .....

In the context of tunability. The Pirelli has a much stronger engine internally than the mk6 gti/tiggy/skoda. Whilst I concede that there are things to be cautious of with the older generation engine. With the proper preventative maintenance there is no reliability issue.

So yeah in the context of wanting to perform upgrades. The stronger Pirelli engine will win the reliability stakes any time. It is exactly that reason that VW are using the older generation engine in the MK6 Golf R no doubt.

[noone]

Have to agree with Sharky on the comparison of things other than the turbo.

Again, simple example:

A Polo GTI with some work and a K03 made more HP than similarly tuned K04.

Why? Different maps and supporting mods.

I don't know the mk6 GTI, but it may be very easy to liberate some extra power with a small amount of work to the intake / exhaust.

Some specs would be nice in this thread, I couldn't find much on the Mk6, didn't seem to have a K03 either.

[guest12345]

The tiguan 125TSI ends up cheaper drive away than the GTI even after you add on APR stage 1 = 190kw.
So you have a 190kw AWD + cash vs 150kw FWD

That is why i have gone the tiguan.

you also have a nanny's car as well, you are also 300kg heavier as well.

Ummm ... no they are actually totally different engines .... do a bit of research on that .....



Actually no .... again .... all that power in FWD mean no traction .... classic example where the Stg3 GTI in the Motor Tuner Test could not even crack 6s 0-100km/h .....

And , yes, once underway, the extra power of a modified Pirelli would help .... but even then at points trough the rev range traction is a problem. Not so in an AWD ..... which is why I have a Golf R on order ....

different engine... so? it feels basically the same. you can call it engine a or z, if it practically does the same job, it really doesn't matter.

[G-rig]

"many enhancements"?? the difference is minimal, don't get sucked in to just because it is a mk6, therefore it "must" be better.

The camfollower problem has been fixed as well as other things I can't remember. I'd still chose a mk6 GTI over a MK5 pirelli these days though, and the pirellis still aren't that cheap.

there were a few more differences between the S3 and the pirelli not just the tune iirc.