Tiguan cluster retrofit red MFD -> white MFD or ?? colour "premium" MFD

**Bambazonke** · 13-08-2013, 07:19 AM

Correct it is a cruise control stalk fitted when driver assist functions (sign assist lane departure etc) are also fitted to the vehicle. This a appears to be a UK spec Tig as the speedo is in mph and the RNS 315 navi unit

**YellowLemon** · 05-07-2014, 03:43 AM

Here's my story of a successful cluster retrofit swap from red MFD to white MFD:

BACKGROUND

The first Tiguans 2008-2009 came with old mk5 based red MFD cluster. I hate this cluster for it's dim blue lighting and the speedo's weird logarithmic scale that changes intervals half way through at 60KM/H. I just want to drive without going over the speed limit, without having to do maths!!

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Sometime in 2009/2010 Tiguan electronics were upgraded to Mk6-based: so white MFD cluster, BCM instead of CECM+CCM, etc. I think this was even before official "facelift"?
If you want to retrofit the Premium cluster with colour display, I read you need an upgraded CAN gateway 1K0 907 530 with version Q or above, or the newer 7N0 907 530 ... gateways. Sorry I don't know the upgrade pathway, I don't have ETKA here. All AUS Tiguans came with at least minimum 1K0 907 530 L gateway so no battery drain issue or errors with this white MFD cluster retrofit or RNS510 retrofit.

PARTS + TOOLS REQUIRED

New 'used' white MFD cluster from Tiguan, the part number I bought is 5N0 920 871 B. Cost $100 from wrecker. Make sure to match Petrol or Diesel - the tacho range is different. My old red MFD cluster part number was 5N0 920 870 D, Colour MFD clusters have a part number where the second-last digit is an 8, eg: 5N0 920 882
2x new glass tranponders IVW D48 for new key, available on eBay $5-10 each. This is not required for white MFD to colour MFD swap, because the existing transponders are compatible with colour MFD. I also ordered 2x brand new key shells from eBay for $8 ea. The existing transponders are glued into the old keys and cannot be removed without risk of damage. This way I put new transponder in new key front, and use old existing remote control (rear portion of key) attached to new key front. The keys/remotes come apart in 2 pieces which is handy (compared to the newer gen keys with the small black logo which are locked down tight, almost impossible to even open!)
A wiring adapter is required to convert old 36pin black plug -> new 32pin blue plug. Note you don't need this if you are converting from white MFD -> colour MFD. This adapter is expensive because the only way to get an old black plug is from a broken old cluster. They are not available to order separately, whereas the blue plug and pins are about $10 on eBay. Options are to buy adapter online (cost $120+ shipped) from carsystems.pl or get a cheap old red MFD broken cluster online and solder an adapter yourself using pin wiring diagram (cost $20-50 depending on how much for broken cluster). You could also cut the loom in the car for a permanent conversion, but then you can't go back to the old red MFD cluster easily.
Access to original VCDS, and IMMO tool like AVDI or VVDI or Immo Plus or various other China clones etc

IMMOBILISER

All current Tiguan incl. 2013 use IMMO4c system (The c stands for crypto I am told) which normally/"officially" requires GEKO system for learning the Cluster-Immo to ECU, as the cluster PIN codes can't be accessed by VW. Latest VCDS software now doesn't even support IMMO4c coding functions because of this (ie difficult to get cluster PIN)
If doing white MFD -> colour MFD swap, the VW dealer GEKO system should be able to learn IMMO with no problem.
However in this retrofit, the "official" VW GEKO method of IMMO adaptation always fails because as soon as the VAS diagnostic computer detects the new cluster P/N (white MFD) doesn't match the vehicle (ie it expects an old red MFD) during the "guided flowchart process", it errors out and cancels the procedure before it ever generates the (secret) PIN logins for the clusters (because this is an unofficial retrofit after all)
"Officially" a used cluster cannot be adapted to IMMO, and also cannot have milage changed once KM>100km. However using an IMMO tool like AVDI (tool costs $10000+ for original) can reset used cluster to 0KM to make it like new, and then you can adjust mileage in VCDS to match the old cluster. Also immo tool can extract the IMMO block from the old cluster in HEX format, revealing all PIN, MAC, transponder IDs etc etc. This data can then be written/flashed in the 'new' cluster, kind of like an immo "clone" in the EEPROM, and then no VW dealer is necessary at all. It all just works!
In addition, the white MFD immo glass chip key-transponders are not compatible with red MFD transponder. They are the same actual transponder (Megamos TP23/ID48 ) but the newer cluster immo expects some certain vehicle-specific bytes written to the transponder (which is not present in transponders matched to the red MFD). The IMMO tools like VVDI etc have an RFID loop attachment where you insert a virgin transponder and it writes the required bytes into the glass chip and then it can work with the white MFD cluster right away (no need to wait 3 weeks to order a key from Germany, which is what a VW dealer will tell you).
I didn't require resetting any ABS coding. I read this is often required when IMMO is adapted, but not required here probably because this is a cluster-immo "clone" using the immo tool, and car electronics like ECU and ABS never realise cluster immo is even changed (ie old PIN = new PIN etc).

BONUS

New white dot MFD works perfect with Bluetooth 9W7 menu and new mk6 MFSW retrofit
The contrast of the white MFD is much better
Cruise control now shows a little icon in the MFD with the current CC speed value, and last used CC speed value (so you know what you will get when you press RES to restart the CC, rather than the press-and-pray method of the previous CC display where it was just a little green icon). I am not sure if the new "CH" version SWCM contributes to this. I changed the SWCM from BG to CH with the mk6 MFSW steering wheel retrofit.

Tiguan cluster retrofit red MFD -> white MFD or ?? colour "premium" MFD-cc_in_mfd-jpg

A NOTE ON LOST KEYS, CODING etc

This retrofit proves that GEKO or VW dealer is not necessarily needed to code new keys or adapt immo.
You just need to find auto electrician/locksmith with know-how I found someone in Melbourne with the proper IMMO tool, also possibly in Brisbane and Sydney. See thread here: Cluster swap - Immo tools AVDI, FVDI, VVDI, IMMO PLUS in Melbourne?

Original instructions (external link) are here: Retrofit Golf 6 Speedometer (white/color cluster) into Golf 5 (Touran, Eos, Octavia and equal) - Tachos / Can Gateways / Airbag-SG - AVDI-FORUM

Adapter pinout if you want to DIY:

Code:

NEW BLUE CONNECTOR 32pin | OLD BLACK CONNECTOR 36pin | DESCRIPTION

1	17	Fuel 1 Full
2	18	Fuel 1 Empty
3	16	Fuel 2 Full (4motion)
4	23	Fuel 2 Empty (4motion)
7	7	Tranponder Coil
8	8	Tranponder Coil
11	26	Oil temp
15	22	Brake pad warning
16	19	-Kl 31 Ground
17	34	Washer water warning
18	35	Coolant warning
19	36	Ambient Temp sensor
20	33	-Kl 31 Ground, sensor ground
25	6	Handbrake signal (reversed in Tiguan vs Golf)
26	5	Brake fluid warning
27	25	Oil pressure warning
28	13	CAN high
29	12	CAN low
31	1	+ Kl 15
32	2	+ Kl 30

(Pin 15 "J533 CAN gateway wake" on old BLACK connector is not used)

**Ramee** · 05-07-2014, 05:46 AM

Originally Posted by YellowLemon

Here's my story of a successful cluster retrofit swap from red MFD to white MFD:

BACKGROUND

The first Tiguans 2008-2009 came with old mk5 based red MFD cluster. I hate this cluster for it's dim blue lighting and the speedo's weird logarithmic scale that changes intervals half way through at 60KM/H. I just want to drive without going over the speed limit, without having to do maths!!

.
Sometime in 2009/2010 Tiguan electronics were upgraded to Mk6-based: so white MFD cluster, BCM instead of CECM+CCM, etc. I think this was even before official "facelift"?
If you want to retrofit the Premium cluster with colour display, I read you need an upgraded CAN gateway 1K0 907 530 with version Q or above, or the newer 7N0 907 530 ... gateways. Sorry I don't know the upgrade pathway, I don't have ETKA here. All AUS Tiguans came with at least minimum 1K0 907 530 L gateway so no battery drain issue or errors with this white MFD cluster retrofit or RNS510 retrofit.

PARTS + TOOLS REQUIRED

New 'used' white MFD cluster from Tiguan, the part number I bought is 5N0 920 871 B. Cost $100 from wrecker. Make sure to match Petrol or Diesel - the tacho range is different. My old red MFD cluster part number was 5N0 920 870 D, Colour MFD clusters have a part number where the second-last digit is an 8, eg: 5N0 920 882
2x new glass tranponders IVW D48 for new key, available on eBay $5-10 each. This is not required for white MFD to colour MFD swap, because the existing transponders are compatible with colour MFD. I also ordered 2x brand new key shells from eBay for $8 ea. The existing transponders are glued into the old keys and cannot be removed without risk of damage. This way I put new transponder in new key front, and use old existing remote control (rear portion of key) attached to new key front. The keys/remotes come apart in 2 pieces which is handy (compared to the newer gen keys with the small black logo which are locked down tight, almost impossible to even open!)
A wiring adapter is required to convert old 36pin black plug -> new 32pin blue plug. Note you don't need this if you are converting from white MFD -> colour MFD. This adapter is expensive because the only way to get an old black plug is from a broken old cluster. They are not available to order separately, whereas the blue plug and pins are about $10 on eBay. Options are to buy adapter online (cost $120+ shipped) from carsystems.pl or get a cheap old red MFD broken cluster online and solder an adapter yourself using pin wiring diagram (cost $20-50 depending on how much for broken cluster). You could also cut the loom in the car for a permanent conversion, but then you can't go back to the old red MFD cluster easily.
Access to original VCDS, and IMMO tool like AVDI or VVDI or Immo Plus or various other China clones etc

IMMOBILISER

All current Tiguan incl. 2013 use IMMO4c system (The c stands for crypto I am told) which normally/"officially" requires GEKO system for learning the Cluster-Immo to ECU, as the cluster PIN codes can't be accessed by VW. Latest VCDS software now doesn't even support IMMO4c coding functions because of this (ie difficult to get cluster PIN)
If doing white MFD -> colour MFD swap, the VW dealer GEKO system should be able to learn IMMO with no problem.
However in this retrofit, the "official" VW GEKO method of IMMO adaptation always fails because as soon as the VAS diagnostic computer detects the new cluster P/N (white MFD) doesn't match the vehicle (ie it expects an old red MFD) during the "guided flowchart process", it errors out and cancels the procedure before it ever generates the (secret) PIN logins for the clusters (because this is an unofficial retrofit after all)
"Officially" a used cluster cannot be adapted to IMMO, and also cannot have milage changed once KM>100km. However using an IMMO tool like AVDI (tool costs $10000+ for original) can reset used cluster to 0KM to make it like new, and then you can adjust mileage in VCDS to match the old cluster. Also immo tool can extract the IMMO block from the old cluster in HEX format, revealing all PIN, MAC, transponder IDs etc etc. This data can then be written/flashed in the 'new' cluster, kind of like an immo "clone" in the EEPROM, and then no VW dealer is necessary at all. It all just works!
In addition, the white MFD immo glass chip key-transponders are not compatible with red MFD transponder. They are the same actual transponder (Megamos TP23/ID48 ) but the newer cluster immo expects some certain vehicle-specific bytes written to the transponder (which is not present in transponders matched to the red MFD). The IMMO tools like VVDI etc have an RFID loop attachment where you insert a virgin transponder and it writes the required bytes into the glass chip and then it can work with the white MFD cluster right away (no need to wait 3 weeks to order a key from Germany, which is what a VW dealer will tell you).
I didn't require resetting any ABS coding. I read this is often required when IMMO is adapted, but not required here probably because this is a cluster-immo "clone" using the immo tool, and car electronics like ECU and ABS never realise cluster immo is even changed (ie old PIN = new PIN etc).

BONUS

New white dot MFD works perfect with Bluetooth 9W7 menu and new mk6 MFSW retrofit
The contrast of the white MFD is much better
Cruise control now shows a little icon in the MFD with the current CC speed value, and last used CC speed value (so you know what you will get when you press RES to restart the CC, rather than the press-and-pray method of the previous CC display where it was just a little green icon). I am not sure if the new "CH" version SWCM contributes to this. I changed the SWCM from BG to CH with the mk6 MFSW steering wheel retrofit.

A NOTE ON LOST KEYS, CODING etc

This retrofit proves that GEKO or VW dealer is not necessarily needed to code new keys or adapt immo.
You just need to find auto electrician/locksmith with know-how I found someone in Melbourne with the proper IMMO tool, also possibly in Brisbane and Sydney. See thread here: Cluster swap - Immo tools AVDI, FVDI, VVDI, IMMO PLUS in Melbourne?

Original instructions (external link) are here: Retrofit Golf 6 Speedometer (white/color cluster) into Golf 5 (Touran, Eos, Octavia and equal) - Tachos / Can Gateways / Airbag-SG - AVDI-FORUM

Adapter pinout if you want to DIY:

Code:

NEW BLUE CONNECTOR 32pin | OLD BLACK CONNECTOR 36pin | DESCRIPTION

1	17	Fuel 1 Full
2	18	Fuel 1 Empty
3	16	Fuel 2 Full (4motion)
4	23	Fuel 2 Empty (4motion)
7	7	Tranponder Coil
8	8	Tranponder Coil
11	26	Oil temp
15	22	Brake pad warning
16	19	-Kl 31 Ground
17	34	Washer water warning
18	35	Coolant warning
19	36	Ambient Temp sensor
20	33	-Kl 31 Ground, sensor ground
25	6	Handbrake signal (reversed in Tiguan vs Golf)
26	5	Brake fluid warning
27	25	Oil pressure warning
28	13	CAN high
29	12	CAN low
31	1	+ Kl 15
32	2	+ Kl 30

(Pin 15 "J533 CAN gateway wake" on old BLACK connector is not used)

Great info man! Congrats on your hard work and documenting this in a clear fashion. For White to premium(color) cluster upgrade I think don't need a connector swap assuming premium clusters has same 32 pin connectors on them.

Now problem is how to find a matching premium cluster hmmm...

**tigger73** · 05-07-2014, 07:37 AM

Originally Posted by Ramee

Great info man! Congrats on your hard work and documenting this in a clear fashion. For White to premium(color) cluster upgrade I think don't need a connector swap assuming premium clusters has same 32 pin connectors on them.

Now problem is how to find a matching premium cluster hmmm...

+1 great write-up. I'll copy this info into the first post to make it easy to find for future reference.

Unless you're the engineer that designed the instrument cluster you're really not going to know if it is compatible until you buy it and plug it in. I know I went down the path of trying to find what parts are compatible when I was adding Bluetooth and steering wheel/airbags, however either you have to have the VIN# of a car that comes with the option that you're looking to install (your local parts dept should be able to look this up and find out the part# for all the other components that you need) or you just cross your fingers and hope that the part you buy works. I have tried the first option, often got nowhere and then just been lucky most of the time.

You may be able to find the part# for the premium cluster and get it ordered in. Otherwise you'll have to try to source one from overseas. Just make sure you don't get one with MPH

I'm not convinced that it's money well spent going from white to colour as it doesn't provide any additional functional improvement, purely cosmetic. However you will get the satisfaction of installing another part on your car but this one I wouldn't be attempting myself as if you don't get it right, the car won't start. I have heard of people playing with their clusters (changing needles/background colours) and then stuffing the whole thing up. It would be an expensive and humbling experience to any DIYer to have to put their car on a flatbed truck to the dealers.... and a lot of explaining to the wife!!!!

Anyway don't let me dull your pioneering spirit. Just take a dose of reality before setting off on the journey and make sure you get the right help along the way so you don't brick your car

**Transporter** · 05-07-2014, 09:19 AM

Originally Posted by tigger73

I wouldn't be attempting myself as if you don't get it right, the car won't start. I have heard of people playing with their clusters (changing needles/background colours) and then stuffing the whole thing up. It would be an expensive and humbling experience to any DIYer to have to put their car on a flatbed truck to the dealers.... and a lot of explaining to the wife!!!!

Anyway don't let me dull your pioneering spirit. Just take a dose of reality before setting off on the journey and make sure you get the right help along the way so you don't brick your car

Especially if the car dies on her while driving or needs it.
But, usually the DIYers don't post the stuff ups in the forum, only the good stuff.

...and hardly ever we read to whom the credit goes for the job completed or done.

**greg32** · 05-07-2014, 09:40 AM

This would be an interesting swap for me except I think the tacho may be an issue. The MK6 dash is for a four cylinder and mine is a six cylinder. Lots of work to do but does give a nice updated look

**YellowLemon** · 05-07-2014, 11:17 AM

Originally Posted by Ramee

For White to premium(color) cluster upgrade I think don't need a connector swap assuming premium clusters has same 32 pin connectors on them. Now problem is how to find a matching premium cluster hmmm...

Yes I think for later model 2011+ Tiguan it's just a straight swap white -> colour MFD, and immo matching. There are a few posts on vwvortex etc etc. for swap in Golfs. I will try find a colour MFA to swap in the next few weeks for experimentation

and post results here. The beauty of the immo clone method is that I can at any time swap back to the old red MFA cluster with no need for immo coding or anything... car will start (the only thing is KM won't match anymore because old cluster can't know about accumulated KMs while it's sitting in the cupboard

)

5N092088X eg 5N0920882 or 5N0920883 is part number for Tiguan premium cluster with colour MFA with KMH I have seen on eBay. If third last digit is "8" then it's KMH and "9" means MPH. A and B is for petrol and C is for diesel as far as I can tell. Also second-last digit is "8" for premium colour MFA. Note with Tig 4motion and ebrake you need the specific Tiguan cluster for it to work (extra fuel sender, and brake warning indicator signal is inverted compared to Golf etc, ie +ve signal not ground signal)

**Ramee** · 05-07-2014, 11:38 AM

Originally Posted by YellowLemon

Yes I think for later model 2011+ Tiguan it's just a straight swap white -> colour MFD, and immo matching. There are a few posts on vwvortex etc etc. for swap in Golfs. I will try find a colour MFA to swap in the next few weeks for experimentation

and post results here. The beauty of the immo clone method is that I can at any time swap back to the old red MFA cluster with no need for immo coding or anything... car will start (the only thing is KM won't match anymore because old cluster can't know about accumulated KMs while it's sitting in the cupboard

)

5N092088X eg 5N0920882 or 5N0920883 is part number for Tiguan premium cluster with colour MFA with KMH I have seen on eBay. If third last digit is "8" then it's KMH and "9" means MPH. A and B is for petrol and C is for diesel as far as I can tell. Also second-last digit is "8" for premium colour MFA. Note with Tig 4motion and ebrake you need the specific Tiguan cluster for it to work (extra fuel sender, and brake warning indicator signal is inverted compared to Golf etc, ie +ve signal not ground signal)

Thanks a lot for the info. I will try to source a matching cluster meanwhile I am very interested of hearing how you will progress with new color (premium cluster) as well. If I could find a matching part hopefully appreciate some help with cloning part of the install

**Ramee** · 05-07-2014, 11:57 AM

Originally Posted by Transporter

But, usually the DIYers don't post the stuff ups in the forum, only the good stuff.

...and hardly ever we read to whom the credit goes for the job completed or done.

I have to agree with you about this Transporter. But DIYers learn things from few different ways, some have lot of background knowledge in mechanical and other disciplines of engineering (may not directly relevant to the car or system they work on), some learn from other DIYers, some learn from online, some have born talent. But at the end they have to experiment and do it, of course they stuff it up some times but at the end the day knowledge, satisfaction and money saved is far outweighs the stuff ups.

When I see DIY stuff posted in internet, most of them have coming from people work on same field, automotive, embedded systems , software, robotics and many other fields. And experts in these field actually encourage others to try and learn stuff, but sadly in Australia I rarely see this happen!