Not happy

[dougie]

I have a pretty good relationship with my MP, so will start stirring some sh#t tomorrow.Ask some awkward questions etc.
Pays to suck up sometimes ,just for times like this.

[peter_j_g]

Shouldn't be a problem - biodiesel is widely used here. Mostly problems occur when an older/high km car which has been run exclusively on normal diesel is filled with biodiesel. The biodiesel will clean out all the gunk that has collected in the fuel tank and lines and block the fuel filter. As your car is quite new then keep on driving it - assuming the biodiesel is of good quality.

VW are just covering themselves - there are plenty of people making biodiesel of various qualities at home. Does the biodiesel you've got been tested to meet any standards?

I agree the pump should have been marked so you know what you are getting.

[Altered Sprinter]

Dougie
Providing the fuel is from BP or Shell you have no real problems the Bio mix is to Australian standards as to euro v fuel watch mandates.
Most of Germany in the main stream now runs B20 as standard Diesel fuels.
As it is an ethanol base fuel, this fuel will have a negative impact on your engine and do less damage,than standard Diesel ULSD, VW should have an Australian rating on ULSD Diesel fuels sold in Australia.
The seller should have had a pump warning as this fuel can damage older Diesel engines with long term use in some engines
But how did you know you put Bio fuel in it?
Richard

[dougie]

I will ask them what standard the fuel is tested to.
I thought it strange that there was a mention about it being renewable fuel?
On the other side of the pump ,in very small letters ,on a sort of advertising swinging thing it said 20% bio mix.Nothing on the side I used except the name of the fuel, and the bit about renewable.Not having had a diesel for many years I assumed deisel was diesel.
These vans are a huge investment in the future for our small family company, so if I seem paranoid, I hope you will understand.
What do you guys use???

[brackie]

The B20 wouldn't have done any damage imho. The engine and fuel system are new and haven't had time to accumulate any gunk, fungus etc so it won't have any deleterious effects. The only way that VWA could get at you would be to argue the standard of Oz biodiesel which I believe is as good as anywhere else. Yeah.. I would be p*ssed off too, but I'm probably more p*ssed off at VW for not recommending its use in PD engines.

[Seano]

It's a bummer it wasn't labeled and the supplier should be well thumped on the knuckles for it

BUT

I use this stuff http://www.farmersfuel.com.au/PremiumDiesel.html when I can as I've found that my 2.5TDI (2001 build) loves it. And it can have up to 20% BD in the mix.

The upshot is that it is probably quite fine to use the fuel you have as it should comply with the Oz standard (like the Farmers Fuel). If not then it would be a very good idea to ditch it..........otherwise give it a burn.

But yeah........nail the supplier.

[dougie]

Thanks Guys,
I spoke to the supplier yesterday and they are being fairley helpful.
They say that the fuel is to the oz standard and can provide a certificate to prove it.
They supply 700.000 ltrs a month and are going to VW to see if we can avoid having to pump it out and flushing the system.
Some compensation is on the way but only for the cost of the fuel so far.
We will see.

[DutchAussie]

Dougie
Providing the fuel is from BP or Shell you have no real problems the Bio mix is to Australian standards as to euro v fuel watch mandates.
Most of Germany in the main stream now runs B20 as standard Diesel fuels.
As it is an ethanol base fuel, this fuel will have a negative impact on your engine and do less damage,than standard Diesel ULSD, VW should have an Australian rating on ULSD Diesel fuels sold in Australia.
The seller should have had a pump warning as this fuel can damage older Diesel engines with long term use in some engines
But how did you know you put Bio fuel in it?
Richard

Altered Sprinter,

you mentioned "an Ethanol based Fuel". Are you talking about Biodiesel made with Ethanol instead of Methanol?

[brackie]

Wow, Alfred.... There's a lot of info in your post, most of which I wasn't aware. Where did you gain this knowledge?

I reckon the majority of motorists (how I hate that term!) just go for the cheapest fuel. I get my farm tank filled by a fuel distributor and I have no idea where the diesel comes from. Perhaps the fact that I've had no IP leakage is due to the shonky fuel he's supplying

I was aware that a lot of the cut price fuel companies were buying takerfuls from Singapore etc so how can we guarantee that it meets the Oz standard? It should as there is legislation to support this.

[phaeton]

Altered Sprinter = Richard not Alfred brackie

Richard has heaps of knowledge not many people know lol

It does suck the we are way behind on Diesel Tech VW, MB & the rest of DCX will not bring in the Clean Diesel tech eg NOx filters & SCR tech until Aussie Diesel fuel is of higher grade (not sure if this applies to trucks too I think DCX are planning on bringing SCR & NOx tech into the whole Truck range)

Aussie Goverment give me Clean Diesel Tech please