Volkswagen under investigation over illegal software that masks pollution

[hoi polloi]

All the reports from the US had the 2 litre units only mentioned, but this includes 2 1.6 litre units as well.

The 1.6s may not be sold in the states...

- Anthony

[Cossor]

My current model Passat when ordered was to be 125kw. When it arrived, rating changed to 130kw.
I see somewhere that this version of Passat is included in the suspect list, but not apparently not the
earlier versions.
Of even more interest is the increasing claimed power outputs of 2.0L VW diesels. I think 150KW now possible?
Is this because VW had become more confident their cheating software would allow passing ever stricter tests?

Regarding new release of Passat, due next month, I wonder if diesel version will now be included? or only the 1.8?
Or will instead the mid "Comfortline", supposed to be a diesel, now become petrol? With twin charger as per 1.4 Golf?

As for me, perhaps I should consider Toyota Camry Atara SL Hybrid instead of my eagerly awaiting chance to upgrade to new Passat?
Camry is lots cheaper.
Combined power 150kw
Claimed fuel consumption similar to Passat (But cheaper)
Reversing camera Identical to Passat version
Has front parking sensors
Has Sat nav

But
I hate the styling
I love the Passat multifunction display
Despite its quirks, I like the transmission verses CVT used by Camry
Passat satnav works well, much better than base MB
Upholstery is SUPERIOR. No mention of lumber support.

So, gee, I hope this gets sorted out before earlier next year. as otherwise either
a Mercedes or a boring Toyota

On reading BBC news, Switzerland has put a temporary ban on sale of selected VW group

Volkswagen models sale halted in Switzerland - BBC News

[Ryeman]

My current model Passat when ordered was to be 125kw. When it arrived, rating changed to 130kw.
I see somewhere that this version of Passat is included in the suspect list, but not apparently not the
earlier versions.
Of even more interest is the increasing claimed power outputs of 2.0L VW diesels. I think 150KW now possible?
Is this because VW had become more confident their cheating software would allow passing ever stricter tests?

Regarding new release of Passat, due next month, I wonder if diesel version will now be included? or only the 1.8?
Or will instead the mid "Comfortline", supposed to be a diesel, now become petrol? With twin charger as per 1.4 Golf?

As for me, perhaps I should consider Toyota Camry Atara SL Hybrid instead of my eagerly awaiting chance to upgrade to new Passat?
Camry is lots cheaper.
Combined power 150kw
Claimed fuel consumption similar to Passat (But cheaper)
Reversing camera Identical to Passat version
Has front parking sensors
Has Sat nav

But
I hate the styling
I love the Passat multifunction display
Despite its quirks, I like the transmission verses CVT used by Camry
Passat satnav works well, much better than base MB
Upholstery is SUPERIOR. No mention of lumber support.

So, gee, I hope this gets sorted out before earlier next year. as otherwise either
a Mercedes or a boring Toyota

On reading BBC news, Switzerland has put a temporary ban on sale of selected VW group

Volkswagen models sale halted in Switzerland - BBC News

we love our new 308 Peugeot with its fab engine.

[Ozsko]

I find it curious that around the time the cheating is said to have started the OBD port was blocked preventing access to add a tune.

[bluey]

I find it curious that around the time the cheating is said to have started the OBD port was blocked preventing access to add a tune.

The US regulations state something like the ECU has to be tamper proof in order to maintain the engineered emissions.

Our regulations specify that vehicle OBD must collect in-use emissions performance data, which can be interrogated by regulators. (But vehicles don't have NOX sensors.)

[Ryeman]

Hopefully, as VW management have indicated, we shall get clarity on with a definitive list early this week, hopefully late Monday.

[Ryeman]

THE monster question is, irrespective of whether 'our' cars are involved,
what is going to happen to used car values?.....surely not at all good
and
what compensation?.

[dero]

THE monster question is, irrespective of whether 'our' cars are involved,
what is going to happen to used car values?.....surely not at all good and what compensation?.

Compensation for used car price falling? Please!
When you buy a new car, you do not buy any guarantee of its future value. You accept all the risk associated with the outlay of funds. You might choose to insure it against damage, but that's up to you. Regardless you accept the risk.

Very fair comment but the car buyer goes into the aspect of purchasing a vehicle with the knowledge that yes, over time the value of the vehicle goes down along the line of the general perceived value of the brand and the perceived value of the model against the similar models it is competing against in the marketplace.


The affect of the news that VW has been cheating its emissions is world wide and far reaching. I would guess that the average car buyer wouldn't be thinking how much emissions are coming out of the tail pipe when buying a car, but with the effect of the news having come out with the figure being thrown about of "40x regulation limits", you could be sure that more than a few potential car buyers would now go... "Ick! Diesel engine, noxious fumes were said about it in the news..." and the value of the vehicle purely because of the effect of the negative news goes down at a much greater rate. It may even make the vehicle unsellable second hand in the marketplace.


VW has an obligation that as part of their having originally sold the car to you that they lied about to deal with you now fairly. I would think that there should be something like a guaranteed second hand sale/trade value should you wish to replace the car as a consequence of these events.


I can't imagine that they'll buy your car second hand but I could imagine they'd be willing to trade your car in for something which is not being sold as a lie.


If they deliver a good price for trade in of my Passat, I'd probably be inclined to take it and pick up a replacement petrol car. Newer tech, MQB platform, more driver's fruit. I'd probably look into the efficency of the petrol first though I guess before deciding to go one way or another.

[Ryeman]

Our Peugeot 308 1.2 triple is a revelation in the way it performs, with diesel-like torque at diesel-like revs with petrol power revability.
Love it.