World Health Org decides soot is carcinogenic....

[Umai Naa!!]

We knew that 30 years ago. Thanks WHO for reminding us.

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Yep, it's been carcinogenic for as long as I can remember.

[noone]

I love that the article was something Lexus wanted to promote, but then Toyota has a variety of Diesel options for 4x4...

Cant have it both ways, I think they also said that the Toyota Diesel's didn't use DPF's... So really its a totally different game from the emmissions that a VAG Diesel is making.

[PassatB6]

Not a big deal really. The study is nothing to do with modern diesels outdoors it is related to miners and others breathing in high levels of particulates from non filtered engines underground. Trouble is VW has now been dragged into this to defend itself.

[polski_ogurek]

I love that the article was something Lexus wanted to promote, but then Toyota has a variety of Diesel options for 4x4...

Cant have it both ways, I think they also said that the Toyota Diesel's didn't use DPF's... So really its a totally different game from the emmissions that a VAG Diesel is making.

lexus and toyota want people to buy there hybrid cars instead, but what they don't want people to know is that the batteries that go into one of these hybrids have more embodied energy(as a result of being transported across the world for different stages of production) than driving a 4WD for its lifetime.
and like Passat B6 said, the study used old diesels and people that would be exposed to hugely higher volumes of these fumes then the average person.
I'm not saying that they aren't bad for people(diesel fumes), but the study has some flaws, and these days what in the world doesn't cause cancer or can't kill you?

[Umai Naa!!]

The whole Hybrid thing is still a running joke in the automotive industry. Right back to when Hyundai showed Toyota's Prius up, in an economy run with a Getz spec'd with a 3 cylinder turbo diesel. The car cost half as much, too. There's also ongoing speculation as to whether the whole manufacturing and disposal practice of the batteries is enviromentally friendly.

[wai]

Actually there are many cruel things that industry and researchers do these days.

I have a cousin who has had a secondary cancer removed from her lung. Nothing to do with fumes or smoking or anything like that. The primary was a soft tissue tumor on her leg and that arose after she injured it on the corner of a drawer unit on her desk.

Anyhow, every so often you hear of "cancer breakthroughs" where researchers have discovered a potential "cure". It is a cruel joke to play on cancer sufferers as they get their hopes up. What the researchers do not tell the public is that these are only "potential", and that by the time something comes of the research, most cancer sufferers will be long gone.

Why do this? To get ongoing funding, and not necessarily for the so-called cancer cures.

It is the same with this banner announcement. They play to the fear based decision making we humans are known for. It just goes to show how gullible they think the public are.

[jazd]

Is it bad if you drive a diesel and work in coal mines too?