60,000km service

[dArK5HaD0w]

the 7 speed dsg is sealed for life, so it requires no oil change. hence "dry".
the 6 speed dsg requires an oil change. hence "wet".

[brad]

the 7 speed dsg is sealed for life, so it requires no oil change. hence "dry".
the 6 speed dsg requires an oil change. hence "wet".

On the 6 speed, the clutches sit in an oil bath. This is why it is called "wet" (same as a motorbike except for airhead BMWs & a few other odd fish - Ural, maybe Moto Guzzi). This oil is shared with the mechatronics / gears / bearings etc. The clutch material contaminates the oil & the heat of the clutches degrades the oil.

On the 7 speed, the oil is confined to the mechatronics / gears / bearings. The clutches run in free air like most conventional automotive clutches, ie: they run dry. Because the oil isn't getting heat degraded & full of clutch material, it lasts a lot longer. VW call them a "sealed for life" unit but there must be a way of changing them. It's the oil causing corrosion in the mechatronics in the 7 speed that has supposedly caused the current recall so they must be changing out the oil when they do the mechatronics change.

Keep in mind that VW aren't too concerned about longevity of components beyond what most companies would keep a vehicle for. They are purposely trying to reduce the TCO in the initial stages of ownership at the expense of long term ownership.

Ford tried something similar in the Falcon (took out the dipstick & said it was sealed for life & no service regime required) and it was a bit of a disaster.

[Diesel_vert]

Vehicle manufacturers have been releasing automatic and manual transmissions that have a "lifetime fill" or are "lubricated for life" for quite some time now, so it is by no means a recent phenomenon.

However, the transmissions will still have drain and fill holes (despite having no service interval) as you need a way to check the level and top up in case of leaks, so they are not "sealed" in the literal sense.

For instance, the DQ200 7-speed DSG (dry-clutch) has drain and fill holes for the gearbox fluid (again, despite having no service interval) with a capacity of 1.7 litres (separate from the hydraulic fluid, capacity 1.0 litre, which should not be touched).



More often than not, it tends to be the European manufacturers (though others are "catching up") who don't specify a service interval for passenger cars with automatic (torque-converter) transmissions - never tends to end well with the consumer, particularly as many "filled for life" transmissions last long enough to fail outside the warranty period.

Clever design philosophy, in a Machiavellian sort of way.

[Fireside]

That's a good price. I can't quite see how they could do oil + filter, pollen filter, scan, brake check, tyre inspection & pressures, battery insp, plenum insp, door locks, underbody, suspension, steering, drivetrain & engine inspection, coolant test, etc for that money so it implies they may have just done a Standard Inspection service

The DSG isn't optional at 60,000km -it's mandatory unless you already pulled the trigger earlier (I would). Or is it a 7 speed?

Diesel or petrol?

How many years old is it?

Brad, it's a 6 speed RS, 3 years old, petrol.
I'll be taking it to my independent from now on.

[DunlopRS]

i've got my 60k service booked in two weeks time. taking it to an independant.
rs, tsi (chain), dsg

vw service centre charge = approx $1400
independant = approx $900-1000.

Had mine done at what is likely the same place last week. Quoted by both sources as was dArK5HaD0w.

I was VERY surprised when the bill from the independent was less than they quoted. I think that is the first time that I have ever experienced that (first time at the independent – will be going back!).

the dsg is a killer!!! then again, i bought the car knowing this fact very well.

....... but the DSG is very nice......

[dArK5HaD0w]

....... but the DSG is very nice......

oh yeah.....no doubt about that.
with the stage 2+, the dsg gear changes r so much more fun, and the farts.......