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[ralphk]

I will bring the KO4 Polo.....can you organise a place and a GT3 ??

[GT3]

..good luck! I came up against a new 911 turbo recently (more powerful and faster than a GT3). I did ok, well sort of , ..but as soon as he planted 3rd gear, he just BLASTED OFF into space.

here's some stats:

911 Turbo 480 hp @ 6000 rpm, 3.7 s 0-60 mph, top speed 311 km/h.

911 GT3 415 hp @ 7600 rpm, 4.1 s 0-60 mph, top speed 311 km/h.

911 GT3 RS 415 hp @ 7600 rpm, 4.0 s 0-60 mph, top speed 311 km/h.

911 GT2 530 hp @ 6500 rpm, 3.6 s 0-60 mph, top speed 328 km/h.

..when those GT2s are released in Oz, you'd need stage 3 kit as a minimum, ..it's bizzare to even claim that a Pog with a K04 would 'blow' a GT3.

hey ralphk, what power are you getting at the wheels with K04? let me guess, ...155kw at best? wouldn't make it a 4.0 sec 0-100 or 311 kmh car sharkie, surely, ..surprises me why many don't bother to research and determine what the difference is between a KO3S and a KO4? some of us have, which for all the hassle and expense, doesn't constitute a compelling purchase/upgrade option.

[mitch_gti]

Dont know what everyone is complaining about, for such a small amount of dosh the GTI Polo delivers soo much.

I think the interior is astounding for a car in this class. Compare it to the Ralliart colt (YUK) the only good thing about that interior are the seats. Which look great but if i had to sit in them day to day they would piss me off very quickly.

I fail to see whats wrong with the gearbox, ive crunched a couple gears but that was down to me doing the wrong thing. Ive found it smooth, easy to change, never have i found it hard to get into 5th gear. The thing i love about the gearbox is that you can actually feel each individual gear, its nice and tight. Honestly there is nothing worse than hopping into a car with a sloppy 'knife through butter' gearbox ala 10 year old hyundai lantra.

My A/C is perfect, very cold.
Seat warmers when its winter- which other car in its direct class has this?

20 valve turbo 1.8 used in how many VAG cars? tried and proven... albeit very detuned in the Pog for obvious reasons.

I found handling of the car in standard form to be very 'safe', very grippy and adjustable. Mine did come with Dunlop SP sport maxx which have been more highly spoken of than the conti's (harder sidewall than the conti's)

Overall the balance of the complete car was fantastic, mix between quality, interior, power (3rd gear is a killer), brakes (which were very adequate for standard power, my brother owns a RX8 and could not believe how well the pog stops) quality exterior and grades of metal seem to be much thicker than most cars. Tap the door on the Pog, then tap the door on a swift, Fiesta and colt. Tell me which is more solid.
Standard alarm system, how many airbags ?!?! how many airbags does the colt have?!? ESP/traction, ABS and the list goes on.

When you look at it this way, there really is very little to fault in the car. Thats why i love owning and driving my gti (on weekends , it sleeps in the garage during the week)


If you get fussy or greedy, a set of springs, rear sway bar and a flash tune can be yours for not much moolah and will see the car eat most other cars on the road.

[Sharkie]

I said rolling start. The GT3 has excellent traction and will absolutely kill a Polo off the line.

Rolling starts are a totally different ball game. Here torque comes into the equation and the GT3 is at a serious disadvantage. It makes 405NM at 5500rpm whereas the Polo with K04 + some bits will be making 390NM+ at 2800rpm.

Thus:
GT3 = 1470kg thus NM/100k0g = 275

Polo = 1190kg so for only APR chipped is NM/1000kg = 278 and for K04 is NM/1000kg = 330

So anywhere between 2000rpm and 5000rpm the Polo has the GT3 beat.

Did some more research and came up with interesting figures....

Rolling accelleration
Std Polo GTi 3rd 5.4s - 4th 6.6s - 5th 8.6s
GT3 3rd 3.7s - 4th 5.1s - 5th 6.6s
APR only GTi 3rd 3.9s - 4th 5.1s - 5th 7.0s (remember it has 115NM over standard)
K04 Polo GTi 3rd 3.5s - 4th 4.5s - 5th 6.5s (remember it has 170NM over standard)

So not only should a K04d Polo beat the GT3 in rolling runs, a chipped only Pogo will seriously embarass a GT3 driver if he is not on the ball in overtaking manouvres.

I'd say bring a GT3 and lets see what it can do in rolling start runs against K04d and chipped only Polos ! You would get some seriously unhappy Porsche owners walking away and selling up !

[Sharkie]

Its all about the way (and the reason) a car makes power. NA's suffer by being peaky with bad torque curves whereas turbo cars make lots of torque at low revs.

I'm not comparing to a 911 Turbo since due its turbo power there is no way a Pogo would see it up close in a run. The GT3 however which is NA will be fair game in rolling start runs !!!

[Flaps]

Theory is often proved wrong when put into practice.

Please tell me how come my Polo with 144kw atw was overtaken in 3rd and 4th gear on eastern creek straight by a 911 and from memory a Boxter S.

[Sharkie]

Should have said the figures above are for 80-120km/h.

That said, a K04d Polo should be making 165kw+ at the wheels. Guy H can confirm, he said something to that effect to me a few while ago about his car.

So not only 20+ kw more than 144 but also I'd say 50-60NM atw. I'd like to see that 911 and Boxster do the same to a K04d Polo.

Also, Volvo C30 T5 with 150kg more weight and similar power to a chipped only Polo did the 80 - 120 run in 3rd 4.5s - 4th 5.8s - 5th 7.3s

Thats already pretty close to a GT3 ....

[GT3]

a K04d Polo should be making 165kw+ at the wheels. Guy H can confirm

..is that so, have you seen the dyno figures for that car, some of us have, and your speculative figures for power/torq are WAY off the mark.

[VW Convert]

Mmmmmmm........if I recall correctly, Poloman was making some observations about his Polo GTI and here we are now arguing about whether a worked GTI would beat a Porsche GT3.

I wonder at the relevance of the argument to the original post and I wonder whether anybody with $250,000 in his pocket to buy a car would consider a $25,000 GTI over a GT3.

Let me see, which would I choose.........tough decision isn't it

Cheers

George

[SoVeReIgN]

Its all about the way (and the reason) a car makes power. NA's suffer by being peaky with bad torque curves whereas turbo cars make lots of torque at low revs.

They also have this torque multiplication device called a gearbox.