What to buy? GTI or R20

**G-rig** · 17-01-2010, 12:11 PM

Originally Posted by DeanCorp

I agree somewhat, I just think its better to buy a car with a bigger turbo rather than buy a GTI and then upgrade to k04 afterwards etc..

That is the beauty of the Pirelli/S3 and Golf R although there is a bit more lag but like the idea of having more power in stock form as well.

**VW Central** · 17-01-2010, 12:13 PM

So pretty much, best value car was the GTI Pirelli

**G-rig** · 17-01-2010, 12:49 PM

Originally Posted by DeanCorp

So pretty much, best value car was the GTI Pirelli

Good value but too much lag, depends if you care

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Stock GTI prob best value but a stage 1 Pirelli is a lot of power

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**Corey_R** · 17-01-2010, 01:05 PM

For those who are saying that you'll be able to upgrade a Golf GTI and it will be quicker than a Golf R, you're dreaming.

It's been said before, but this is not the MKV GTI vs R32 situation this time.

Firstly, the Golf R is ONLY 125KG heavier this time, not 200KG as with the R32.
The Golf R's acceleration is 0 to 100 in 5.5 seconds, not 6.1 of the R32.

So a stage 2 APR GTI (around 205kw / 430NM) which will cost you $5k in upgrades (ECU, Exhaust, Air Intake) still won't get you to 5.5 seconds, mainly due to traction.

A stage 3 APR GTI (around 275KW / 520NM) will cost you $10k for the stage 3 kit, and probably another $10k in exhaust, suspension, brake, wheel/tyre upgrades, making it more expensive than a Golf R, would still struggle to do the 0 to 100 in 5.5 for most drivers, again due to traction. Guy H, please correct me if I'm wrong there

Simple fact is, the Golf R (or Audi S3) is going to be the car to have if you're looking at THAT level of performance. They already have 200KW/350NM of torque. They already have better suspension / brake package. And with a simple stage I ECU update they'll have 240KW/435NM of torque for as low as $1695 and then do 0 to 100 around the 5.0 second mark.

I'm not a "Golf R fanboi", my previous car was a APR/Oettinger Stage II GTI, I'm just being realistic here. Golf GTI is a fantastic car, but the fact that the Golf R is also getting a turbo engine and has nowhere near the weight penalty the R32 had, it changes things

**G-rig** · 17-01-2010, 01:40 PM

Not disputing that the Golf R is better for drags if you're into that, but what about a rolling start? Agree it's not worthing having too much power in a FWD as you can't put it down.

The point is, is it worth the extra for street use?

**backdoc** · 17-01-2010, 04:06 PM

Originally Posted by G-rig

Not disputing that the Golf R is better for drags if you're into that, but what about a rolling start? Agree it's not worthing having too much power in a FWD as you can't put it down.

The point is, is it worth the extra for street use?

I'm now really wondering if selling my R32 was such a good move. What have I done. Better wait till the R20 arrives and then maybe I won't be sad