New Passat 206TSI R-Line

[Rocket36]

Confirmed for Australia... Bringing me back to VW Watercooled after a number of years away from the forum (and the brand), including a period in Europe where I was fortunate enough to have a C63 AMG. My last VW was a MY10 Passat R36.

I'm REALLY looking forward to the new 206TSI R-Line. More power, more torque, both available lower in the rev range, more fuel efficient and marginally fast. BRING IT ON! And that new instrumentation screen looks so sexy!

Mine will be a white wagon (I have a Great Dane), fully optioned.

I was considering the 132 TSI Comfortline fully optioned but that's changed now.

[chopper]

Agreed! I stopped popping back to the forum after my 2011 GTI was about 6 months old. I'm back because we'll probably be getting a 206TSI wagon (one of the silver colours probably)... and I was hoping for some more information etc. I'm just reserving the final decision until I've driven it, as I was hoping to read some reviews online, but I'm struggling to find a good one.

[MrWolf]

From the links/photos I've seen, it doesn't appear to look that much different to a regular Passat (which is a bit disappointing).

Has anyone stumbled across any sales material that provides a more detailed overview of the kit/options?

[Rocket36]

I would agree with that. In fact it looks like it's just the current 132 TSI Comfortline with R-Line pack, but packing the 2.0 engine.

[Janko]

The 132 TSI Comfortline is a great car and has got enough power for normal use.So I doubt whether there will be enough buyers for the 206!

[Riker]

Janko, I think you'll be surprised. Yes the 206tsi will likely be niche like R36 but that'll make it more of a desirable option for those able or wanting to extend to it above a 132tsi. For the numbers coming it'll sell well I'm sure.

[SMOKEY]

When you say 'for the numbers coming' - is there a limited run?


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[Janko]

Yes the 206tsi will likely be niche like R36 but that'll make it more of a desirable option for those able or wanting to extend to it above a 132tsi.

There were lot of differences between Passat and R36.With Passat having stepped up with B8 the differences have narrowed down a lot.That is why I am wondering if it will hit the required numbers.

[Jimi]

Has anyone done the pros and cons of the 206tsi against a top spec Tiguan 162tsi?

[Rocket36]

Has anyone done the pros and cons of the 206tsi against a top spec Tiguan 162tsi?

Pro - It's a car not an SUV. lol

For me, that's where the comparison stops. :D

[tigger73]

Has anyone done the pros and cons of the 206tsi against a top spec Tiguan 162tsi?

Resale on the V6 Passat wasn't that fantastic.

Better DSG box in the Tiguan.

No real differentiators for the 206TSI from the standard Passat. It's not like the R36. It's just a higher powered Passat with AWD.

[Rocket36]

It's just a higher powered Passat with AWD.

Other than the biscay blue and grey grill, that's pretty much all the R36 was. The 206 TSI R Line is faster than the R36 too.

[SMOKEY]

Has anyone done the pros and cons of the 206tsi against a top spec Tiguan 162tsi?

I did some numbers, and to get a Tiguan up to the same spec level as the 206 would cost you more as a final figure.

Everything is an option on the Tiguan, where as the 206 comes with everything included for est rrp of $59k sedan and 61k wagon with only option being metallic paint and the pano roof.

[Rocket36]

Everything is an option on the Tiguan, where as the 206 comes with everything included for est rrp of $59k sedan and 61k wagon with only option being metallic paint and the pano roof.

So both new models are on the website then?

[Rocket36]

Just checked... So it is...

Passat Wagon 206TSI R-Line 6-Speed DSG: $59,990 plus on roads. Not including metallic paint (I want white anyway) or sunroof (also not something I want.

[Eaglehawk]

Don't bother downloading the brochure, still no 206TSI specs...

[Fridgie877]

I did some numbers, and to get a Tiguan up to the same spec level as the 206 would cost you more as a final figure.

Everything is an option on the Tiguan, where as the 206 comes with everything included for est rrp of $59k sedan and 61k wagon with only option being metallic paint and the pano roof.

Hey guys, great to finaly be apart of the thread i have been wathcing closely :).

When you say "everything is an option on the tiguan, where as the 206 comes with everything included" does that mean that the 206 has the DAP already included?
Do we have an option for multimedia screens like the uk or is the 206 and tiguan r line already equiped with the discover nav pro?

[Buzy_Robot]

MY17 brochure (via download a brochure) and MY17 specs (via specifications) are available on Volkswagen Australia's website. Still waiting for Model and Pricing as well as Build and Price to display MY17 models and prices correctly.

There are already a couple popping up for sale on CarSales ie. sedan priced at $64,903 and wagon at $67,032 ... whoa!

[SMOKEY]

MY17 brochure (via download a brochure) and MY17 specs (via specifications) are available on Volkswagen Australia's website. Still waiting for Model and Pricing as well as Build and Price to display MY17 models and prices correctly.

There are already a couple popping up for sale on CarSales ie. sedan priced at $64,903 and wagon at $67,032 ... whoa!

Damn, I hope they're not that much! It would make a lot of sense to try keep them sub 64k to avoid LCT......

Those prices on carsales are driveaway prices though, so there's a few k of dealer delivery, stamp duty and rego costs..

[Rocket36]

Timing for me will be nice. June next year is when we need a second car! :D

[Matt P]

Hey guys, great to finaly be apart of the thread i have been wathcing closely :).

When you say "everything is an option on the tiguan, where as the 206 comes with everything included" does that mean that the 206 has the DAP already included?
Do we have an option for multimedia screens like the uk or is the 206 and tiguan r line already equiped with the discover nav pro?

i know the 206 has the discover pro (as my 132 comfortline has it and it's well down the range). Can't confirm tiguan as i know nothing about them.

[Tuan]

Is this basically a Passat with Golf R running gear ? Or is it more comparable to a Superb in terms of size/weight/handling etc. Subbed ..


Hmmm .. just jumped on carsales and size wise:

Superb > Passat R36 (for comparison) > Octavia Mk2 >> Golf R ...

Guess I answered my own question that the Passat will be more of a sporty tourer than anything.

[Rocket36]

And a sporty tourer is EXACTLY what I want. :D

[SMOKEY]

Tuan, from my understanding you're right on both counts.

It's the GTI engine and Golf R drivetrain.

And given the Skoda Superb is essentially the same platform as the Passat, a R drivetrain in Passat platform is a Passat 206TSI.

You could go drive a Skoda Superb 206TSI tomorrow and you'd have a pretty good idea of how the Passat 206TSI would drive.

In fact, one could argue you could save a few bucks and just buy the Skoda ;-) (just throw away the horrible looking front seats)


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[Tuan]

I would love to have the Golf R running gear on a sportier shaped car - Golf hatch doesn't do it for me. And the Passat and Superb are both too big for my liking.

Will test drive both cars anyway .. LOL.

[SMOKEY]

Maybe I'd suggest a CLA45 shooting brake? It's a big jump in price though - $90k.

Otherwise maybe the Tiguan 162TSI is a better fit for you? Not traditionally sporty shaped, but they look pretty sharp with the R-line pack.


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[Tuan]

Maybe I'd suggest a CLA45 shooting brake? It's a big jump in price though - $90k.

Otherwise maybe the Tiguan 162TSI is a better fit for you? Not traditionally sporty shaped, but they look pretty sharp with the R-line pack.


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Ah .. the 'Taurus' looking CLA45 is already on the wishlist, absolutely!

A mate has the GLA45 and it's nuts.

[Tuan]

And no, not the shooting brake .. can't do it.. hurts my eyes

[wm7503]

Damn, I hope they're not that much! It would make a lot of sense to try keep them sub 64k to avoid LCT......

Those prices on carsales are driveaway prices though, so there's a few k of dealer delivery, stamp duty and rego costs..

I am placing an order in Monday morning for wagon. Midnight Blue with Panoramic sunroof. I did some hard negotiation and got a good price. Delivery Nov - Dec

The prices on CarSales are without the roof. With the roof and tow bar list price about 72k I got it for less...

Cant Wait !!!!!!

[INASNT]

Tuan, from my understanding you're right on both counts.

It's the GTI engine and Golf R drivetrain.

And given the Skoda Superb is essentially the same platform as the Passat, a R drivetrain in Passat platform is a Passat 206TSI.

You could go drive a Skoda Superb 206TSI tomorrow and you'd have a pretty good idea of how the Passat 206TSI would drive.

In fact, one could argue you could save a few bucks and just buy the Skoda ;-) (just throw away the horrible looking front seats)


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Are you sure its the GTI engine, not the R engine?

If its the Mk7 GTI engine will it be as tuneable as the GTI, stock exhaust, intake, injectors etc. the same? Anyone know..

Have always wanted a sedan Golf R and always wondered why VW did do this earlier..

[SMOKEY]

Hmmm. You're right. Specs are the same as the R so you're probably correct. So it's got the bigger turbo.

I'll confess i don't own a VW, I joined up to learn more about r36s but then the 206 was announced......although if they're north of $70k then I think I'd best get back to R36s...[emoji17]


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[chopper]

We ordered our 206TSI Wagon today. Tungsten Silver with roof. Docks in a few days and should be delivered in a few weeks.

[Fridgie877]

We ordered our 206TSI Wagon today. Tungsten Silver with roof. Docks in a few days and should be delivered in a few weeks.

What did you get it for?

[chopper]

What did you get it for?

I have a rule when ordering cars. I'll pay the list price for the car, the dealer can absorb the on road costs from their margin. It's never failed me yet.

[INASNT]

We ordered our 206TSI Wagon today. Tungsten Silver with roof. Docks in a few days and should be delivered in a few weeks.

Are there any options or does the 206TSI come with everything? Dynamic Chassis Control, Sunroof etc.?

Its available in sedan also?

Is the chassis the A4 or extended Golf?

[SMOKEY]

Are there any options or does the 206TSI come with everything? Dynamic Chassis Control, Sunroof etc.?

Its available in sedan also?

Is the chassis the A4 or extended Golf?

I think we covered this earlier, but there are only two options - Pearlescent or metallic paint for $700 and the Pano roof for $2k.

The rest you get straight out of the box. (For sake of interest, a 140TDI with all options runs to $60k driveaway, so essentially, a fully specc'd 206TSI at $72k (list price according to @wm503 a few post back) means you're paying $12k for that drivetrain). Although he did say he managed to drive a hard bargain and get his for a bit less.....

I think the easiest way to view a 206TSI is as a fully optioned* Passat Highline with R-Line package (bodykit and interior) and a $12k Golf R drivetrain.


*with paint and roof as your only boxes left to tick. I wish VW Australia would hurry up and get the configurator set up on the website. Same for the 162TSI Tiguan.

One could argue that while it's a being suggested as the natural successor to the R36, in reality, it's not as bespoke as it's really just drawing from the existing VW parts bin where as the R36 had a unique bodykit, seats, engine.

[chopper]

I think we covered this earlier, but there are only two options - Pearlescent or metallic paint for $700 and the Pano roof for $2k.
Correct!


The rest you get straight out of the box. (For sake of interest, a 140TDI with all options runs to $60k driveaway, so essentially, a fully specc'd 206TSI at $72k (list price according to @wm503 a few post back) means you're paying $12k for that drivetrain). Although he did say he managed to drive a hard bargain and get his for a bit less.....
The car (as a wagon) is $59,990, roof $2,000, paint $700. I don't know how everyone else feels about on-road costs, but I refuse to pay them. Shop around, there's usually a dealer who's willing to do a deal. I wouldn't pay more than $62,700 for a fully loaded wagon, drive away.

[Rocket36]

Well now Volvo have thrown a spanner in my works. DAMN IT! lol

[kamold]

Well now Volvo have thrown a spanner in my works. DAMN IT! lol

Go on...

[Rocket36]

2017 Volvo V90 Review | CarAdvice (http://www.caradvice.com.au/457829/2017-volvo-v90-review/)

It will be more expensive. So it may come down mostly to value for money...

[kamold]

2017 Volvo V90 Review | CarAdvice (http://www.caradvice.com.au/457829/2017-volvo-v90-review/)

It will be more expensive. So it may come down mostly to value for money...

They look very nice. A lot of tech.
Only shame is the T8 not making it here. But I'd imagine they'd be pretty exxy if they did.

[chopper]

2017 Volvo V90 Review | CarAdvice (http://www.caradvice.com.au/457829/2017-volvo-v90-review/)

It will be more expensive. So it may come down mostly to value for money...

It's not just a bit more expensive... it will be at least 50% more expensive! (More, if you spec like-for-like). Nice car though...

[Rocket36]

Yeah it'll be $80k + on the road.

Beautiful car but don't think the value for money will beat the VW.

[SMOKEY]

Nice looking car but fairly different approach. That is a large family luxury hauler, as opposed to a sports wagon. (It's only an inch shorter than their largest car, an XC90 SUV)

The Volvo V60 Polestar is probably closer in both application and price to the 206TSI (and with much nicer brakes and wheels)


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[Rocket36]

The V60 is a LOT smaller than a Passat wagon though...

[wm7503]

Correct!


The car (as a wagon) is $59,990, roof $2,000, paint $700. I don't know how everyone else feels about on-road costs, but I refuse to pay them. Shop around, there's usually a dealer who's willing to do a deal. I wouldn't pay more than $62,700 for a fully loaded wagon, drive away.

What you need to see is that the $59,990 does not include GST. When you add roof and paint and GST you are about the 69k as a base price, then add for a new car Reg $750 and stamp duty $1900 and it's 72k list drive away.

I don't see how you can avoid GST unless you are buying through a business and can claim it, or you are some sort of tax guru. As for rego and stamp these are also government charges so its not possible to avoid these.
I don't see how you refuse to pay GST, REGO and STAMPS.... the car will not be legal to drive on the road!!! The only thing you can do is negotiate the $62,700..... And if you do things right you can get yourself a good deal, but you still have to pay the on road costs......

[booba]

What you need to see is that the $59,990 does not include GST. When you add roof and paint and GST you are about the 69k as a base price, then add for a new car Reg $750 and stamp duty $1900 and it's 72k list drive away.

I don't see how you can avoid GST unless you are buying through a business and can claim it, or you are some sort of tax guru. As for rego and stamp these are also government charges so its not possible to avoid these.
I don't see how you refuse to pay GST, REGO and STAMPS.... the car will not be legal to drive on the road!!! The only thing you can do is negotiate the $62,700..... And if you do things right you can get yourself a good deal, but you still have to pay the on road costs......

I don't think he is avoiding paying these charges. The dealer brings the price of the base car down enough so that the gst, rego, dealer delivery are included in the 62,700.

[chopper]

What you need to see is that the $59,990 does not include GST. When you add roof and paint and GST you are about the 69k as a base price, then add for a new car Reg $750 and stamp duty $1900 and it's 72k list drive away.

I don't see how you can avoid GST unless you are buying through a business and can claim it, or you are some sort of tax guru. As for rego and stamp these are also government charges so its not possible to avoid these.
I don't see how you refuse to pay GST, REGO and STAMPS.... the car will not be legal to drive on the road!!! The only thing you can do is negotiate the $62,700..... And if you do things right you can get yourself a good deal, but you still have to pay the on road costs......

The $59,990 is GST inclusive. The $2,000 is also GST inclusive, as is the $700. These are the list prices advertised by VW... all other 'on road' charges are then added by the dealer. I don't pay for car washes (otherwise know as dealer delivery) and the dealer can cover the rest (rego etc.) from their holdback on the vehicle. Generally, car sales are about volume, not profit on sales... unless they get a sucker who is so desperate, they'll pay anything.

You may be confusing GST for LCT (or luxury car tax). At $62,700, the car is below the LCT threshold ($64,132) and therefore exempt. If you are paying over $72,000 for the car, you will be subject to LCT... and adds 33c for every dollar over the threshold you are. It adds up quickly... and $72,000 for the car has $2,000 of LCT on it!

Like I said, I wouldn't pay more than $62,700 (including GST) for the car, drive away (and fully registered! ��).

(Edit - I should probably add, we've ordered one... so I'm not talking out of my butt!)

[SMOKEY]

I want to believe in @chopper 's version of events!

I also wouldn't let them detail my car prior to pickup, they mostly do more harm than good.


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[chopper]

I want to believe in @chopper 's version of events!

I also wouldn't let them detail my car prior to pickup, they mostly do more harm than good.

Ahhh... I think we've had a communication failure! :-)

Let me try and clarify... the car is ordered and delivered as normal. I just negotiate the price to the point where the 'on-road' costs (stamp duty, rego, dealer delivery) are included, or I don't buy the car. There's usually a dealer who's willing to do it.

Don't believe them when they tell you they can't possibly do it... that they're losing money on the car. There's a thing called 'holdback'. They will show you the invoice for the car, saying 'I can't possibly sell it below cost'... which is true, but the dealer is allowed to 'hold back' part of the invoice cost (either a percentage or lump sum) per sale. They also work on sales targets from the manufacturer. Exceeding the target gives the dealer massive benefits. A sale lost to another dealer (depending on the circumstance) can have a huge effect.

In short... push hard, even if the car is new. As I said before, I wouldn't pay more than $62,700 for a fully loaded 206TSI.

[Rocket36]

I wouldn't pay more than $62,700 for a fully loaded 206TSI.

Hey mate. Can I ask which dealer? Cheers.

[chopper]

Hey mate. Can I ask which dealer? Cheers.

Any dealer! We used to change our cars over quite often and I've bought cars from many places. I've travelled over 500kms to pick cars up.

Don't for get to try regional dealers... sometimes a $200 flight to travel to pick up a car can be worth thousands off.

You need to be prepared to drop your money right away. When someone hits the price you're prepared to pay, pay up. If they hit your target, don't stuff people around.

[Dutch77]

^ which is also why they recommend going hard on deals at the end of a month, as the targets for incentives are often bracketed and so it can make sense for a dealer to even lose on one deal to actually gain a much larger deal incentive as a result of the additional sale.

At low 60s fully loaded I am massively tempted by this vehicle as I need some more room moving forward and have a soft spot for fast wagons. I can't imagine an Golf R wagon would be much less based on the Wolfsburg pricing which makes this a bit of a no brainer if you're happy to swap some dynamics for space.

[SMOKEY]

Ahhh... I think we've had a communication failure! :-)

Let me try and clarify... the car is ordered and delivered as normal. I just negotiate the price to the point where the 'on-road' costs (stamp duty, rego, dealer delivery) are included, or I don't buy the car. There's usually a dealer who's willing to do it.

Don't believe them when they tell you they can't possibly do it... that they're losing money on the car. There's a thing called 'holdback'. They will show you the invoice for the car, saying 'I can't possibly sell it below cost'... which is true, but the dealer is allowed to 'hold back' part of the invoice cost (either a percentage or lump sum) per sale. They also work on sales targets from the manufacturer. Exceeding the target gives the dealer massive benefits. A sale lost to another dealer (depending on the circumstance) can have a huge effect.

In short... push hard, even if the car is new. As I said before, I wouldn't pay more than $62,700 for a fully loaded 206TSI.

Got it. You get the dealer to absorb the ORCs into their margin. It's not a loophole or a tax break, it's just a symbolic point you negotiate towards.....RRP - ORCs = your drive-away price.

You must drive a hard bargain!

This pleases me as I started looking at Skoda Superb's again yesterday given they're 10-15% cheaper. I prefer the look of the Passat however, along with the active display. Side note though, contacted Skoda Australia and confirmed the Skoda Superb 206TSI Sportline pack will be on sale from Q1 2017.

[chopper]

Got it. You get the dealer to absorb the ORCs into their margin. It's not a loophole or a tax break, it's just a symbolic point you negotiate towards.....RRP - ORCs = your drive-away price.

You must drive a hard bargain!

This pleases me as I started looking at Skoda Superb's again yesterday given they're 10-15% cheaper. I prefer the look of the Passat however, along with the active display. Side note though, contacted Skoda Australia and confirmed the Skoda Superb 206TSI Sportline pack will be on sale from Q1 2017.

I've walked away from as many deals as I've made! It's just my thing... don't let me influence what you pay for your car. If you have a good relationship with your dealer etc. you may be inclined to pay more for the service.

What's the Sportline pack on the Superb? I quite liked the Skoda... but my wife didn't. In any case, I'm happy with the 206TSI.

[SMOKEY]

I've walked away from as many deals as I've made! It's just my thing... don't let me influence what you pay for your car. If you have a good relationship with your dealer etc. you may be inclined to pay more for the service.

What's the Sportline pack on the Superb? I quite liked the Skoda... but my wife didn't. In any case, I'm happy with the 206TSI.

From what I can tell

- some pretty aggressive looking 19 inch wheels that my wife would love to introduce to a gutter
- 15mm lower ride height
- gloss black front grill and lower airdam, roof rails and mirrors
- chrome window trim is gloss black
- tinted rear and back window
- different shaped seats with a quilted alcantara finish
- carbon dashboard trim
- and supposedly a more sporty XDS electronic locking differential
- not sure on price difference but UK press release it suggests a $4-5k AUD premium (based on currency conversion)

2015 Frankfurt Motor Show LIVE: 2016 Skoda Superb Combi Sportline (http://www.inautonews.com/2015-frankfurt-motor-show-live-2016-skoda-superb-combi-sportline)

It also suggest there will be an exclusive Sportline colour, called Dragon Green, which I could only best describe as 'nuclear cat's p1ss green yellow' and will refrain from posting the image but will leave a link here for those who dare:

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/GTG9_A4OZtc/maxresdefault.jpg

http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2016/09/SkodaSuperbIAA20150011024x678-2.jpg

[chopper]

From what I can tell

- some pretty aggressive looking 19 inch wheels that my wife would love to introduce to a gutter
- 15mm lower ride height
- gloss black front grill and lower airdam, roof rails and mirrors
- chrome window trim is gloss black
- tinted rear and back window
- different shaped seats with a quilted alcantara finish
- carbon dashboard trim
- and supposedly a more sporty XDS electronic locking differential
- not sure on price difference but UK press release it suggests a $4-5k AUD premium (based on currency conversion)

2015 Frankfurt Motor Show LIVE: 2016 Skoda Superb Combi Sportline (http://www.inautonews.com/2015-frankfurt-motor-show-live-2016-skoda-superb-combi-sportline)

It also suggest there will be an exclusive Sportline colour, called Dragon Green, which I could only best describe as 'nuclear cat's p1ss green yellow' and will refrain from posting the image but will leave a link here for those who dare:

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/GTG9_A4OZtc/maxresdefault.jpg

http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2016/09/SkodaSuperbIAA20150011024x678-2.jpg

... but no virtual cockpit! That's really the bit which sold me on the 206TSI.

[SMOKEY]

Nup, no virtual cockpit

I guess they have to keep SOME distance between the two so that they don't directly cannibalise sales, but this certainly brings the two closer in terms of street appeal, but also price.

Skoda doing some pretty competitive finance rates at 1.8% comparison with guaranteed resale value (which has always been caused me to hesitate when considering Skoda).

206TSI still the better looking car IMHO.

[kamold]

It also suggest there will be an exclusive Sportline colour, called Dragon Green, which I could only best describe as 'nuclear cat's p1ss green yellow' and will refrain from posting the image but will leave a link here for those who dare:

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/GTG9_A4OZtc/maxresdefault.jpg



AAHHGGGGGGGRRRRRRRR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
My eyes!!!! It burns!!

Certainly stands out. You wouldn't mistake it for another car in a carpark at least...

[Passat R36]

the review is out
2017 Volkswagen Passat 206TSI R-Line Review | CarAdvice (http://www.caradvice.com.au/484350/2017-volkswagen-passat-206tsi-r-line-review/)

[chopper]

the review is out
2017 Volkswagen Passat 206TSI R-Line Review | CarAdvice (http://www.caradvice.com.au/484350/2017-volkswagen-passat-206tsi-r-line-review/)

You beat me to it! I came here to post it!

Here are some others...

Volkswagen Passat 206 TSI R-Line 2017 review | first drive | CarsGuide (http://www.carsguide.com.au/car-reviews/volkswagen-passat-206-tsi-r-line-2017-review-first-drive-46136)

http://www.motoring.com.au/volkswagen-passat-206tsi-2016-review-103999/

Volkswagen Passat 206TSI first drive review (http://www.drive.com.au/new-car-reviews/volkswagen-passat-206tsi-first-drive-review-20160927-grq0f0.html)

I'm rather relieved... seeing as I ordered it sight (and drive) unseen!

[Passat R36]

cheers mate!

just wondering if VW will bring in Golf R Wagon again, the used Golf R Wagon Wolfie price is so high.

[SMOKEY]

I doubt they would, hard to justify the same price for a lesser base car - you'd have to really love the size / shape.

I dare say there would be some annoyed Wolfy owners.....although the exclusivity remains.


Read all the reviews in the link, they seemed both complimentary and consistent - as if they were written by the same pen, or at least off the same press script. Either way, nothing alarming - it's not an R36 but perhaps that's ok.

What did pique my interest however was that there was a big soundtrack difference between the Golf R and the 206. I was really hoping it would get the big DSG exhaust burp and cracks on WOT but it seems not. I wonder if that could be just a matter of a remap of the ECU? Obviously the hardware is the same?



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[chopper]

cheers mate!

just wondering if VW will bring in Golf R Wagon again, the used Golf R Wagon Wolfie price is so high.

I know they'll continue to sell buckets of Golf Rs... because people will always want hot hatches (like me, before having to squeeze a family in!). However, when you look at the cars side by side, my initial thoughts are...

1. Virtual Cockpit

2. Discover Pro

3. Extra Driver Assistance features

4. Extra practicallity.

The 206TSI value equation is a much better proposition, compared to either the Golf R / Wolfsburg pair.

As an old guy with a wife and kids... I'm happy! :-)

[chopper]

I doubt they would, hard to justify the same price for a lesser base car - you'd have to really love the size / shape.

I dare say there would be some annoyed Wolfy owners.....although the exclusivity remains.


Read all the reviews in the link, they seemed both complimentary and consistent - as if they were written by the same pen, or at least off the same press script. Either way, nothing alarming - it's not an R36 but perhaps that's ok.

What did pique my interest however was that there was a big soundtrack difference between the Golf R and the 206. I was really hoping it would get the big DSG exhaust burp and cracks on WOT but it seems not. I wonder if that could be just a matter of a remap of the ECU? Obviously the hardware is the same?



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I've always wondered why the Wolfsburg was a limited edition???

I'm looking forward to getting my hands on it in a few weeks and seeing just what the sound is like. I can hear the GTI coming home from down the street... I'm going to miss that if the 206TSI is as quiet as they imply. I was wondering if it can be fixed?!

[SMOKEY]

I'm sure it could with a reflash. Those noises are just a result of fuel and ignition timing, and you could probably get back the extra 30nM of torque that the 206 loses over the R in the same throw, and then some.

Keeping your warranty is another kettle of fish however


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[Dutch77]

VW Oz have already said the Golf R wagon will be back as a standard model.

The pricing will be interesting given the the new Passat though - I'll wait and see before making a decision.

[Rocket36]

I have to say, I love the look of that Skoda Superb sport combi or whatever it's called. The CarSales pics are not of the R-Line from what I can tell. Well, the blue one is. The Maroon (Red Wine?) coloured one looks like an R-Line pack on a lower model.

[Rocket36]

This is also a positive for Skoda...

1.8% finance and guaranteed resale.
3 Year Manufacturers unlimited Km warranty, Annual Capped Price Servicing for 6 years/90,000km.

About the only thing you can get on the Passat over the Superb is the new instrument screen.

I think it's subjective but I think the best value for money is the Superb with tech and comfort packs.

[keepleft]

The Passat looks better than the Superb and oddly enough there's a shorter waitlist and more negotiation power on the Passat.

I am biased though, expecting delivery of mine next month

[wm7503]

Hey guys,
Not sure if you have seen the spec sheet yet but here is the link...
Cheers WM7503


http://www.volkswagen.com.au/content/medialib/vwd4/au/common/specifications/my17/vwppasspecmy17_web-pdf/_jcr_content/renditions/rendition.download_attachment.file/vwppasspecmy17_web.pdf

[masternewb]

Looks like the 206 is not rated for towing according to the spec sheet, just like the golf R and Audi S3

[tigger73]

Looks like the 206 is not rated for towing according to the spec sheet, just like the golf R and Audi S3

Where did you find this information?

According to RVCS it has a 2200kg (braked) or 750kg (unbraked) towing capacity: Road Vehicle Descriptor (RVD1) - PASSAT WAGON - 2017MY (http://rvcs-prodweb.dot.gov.au/perl/35384_1166596_RVD_11Feb2016083113.cmd)

[chopper]

Where did you find this information?

According to RVCS it has a 2200kg (braked) or 750kg (unbraked) towing capacity: Road Vehicle Descriptor (RVD1) - PASSAT WAGON - 2017MY (http://rvcs-prodweb.dot.gov.au/perl/35384_1166596_RVD_11Feb2016083113.cmd)

I suspect it's because the towing pack isn't available for the 206 on the spec. sheet. I assume (much like the easy open tailgate) the R-Line bumper doesn't allow the fitment of the VW Aus. towing pack.

It's a shame the electronicly deployable towing ball isn't available here, like it is overseas. I'm still wondering what towing options I will have with it...

[masternewb]

Where did you find this information?

According to RVCS it has a 2200kg (braked) or 750kg (unbraked) towing capacity: Road Vehicle Descriptor (RVD1) - PASSAT WAGON - 2017MY (http://rvcs-prodweb.dot.gov.au/perl/35384_1166596_RVD_11Feb2016083113.cmd)

page 12 of the brochure; http://www.volkswagen.com.au/content/medialib/vwd4/au/common/specifications/my17/vwppasspecmy17_web-pdf/_jcr_content/renditions/rendition.download_attachment.file/vwppasspecmy17_web.pdf

[tigger73]

Quite possibly it's either because the standard Passat towbar doesn't fit or they have not gone through the process of checking/confirming fitment on a vehicle before the brochure was created so they left it off.

The vehicle does have a load rating (as per VCDS) so you would technically be able to fit a towbar as long as someone made one to suit. It may be that VW doesn't/won't have a solution and the only option will be an aftermarket towbar.

[Rocket36]

It's a shame the electronicly deployable towing ball isn't available here, like it is overseas. I'm still wondering what towing options I will have with it...

Stupid out-dated ADRs. Much like the ISOFIX childseats. They were better and safer in every way but ILLEGAL in Australia because of outdated ADRs.

[VW Convert]

Stupid out-dated ADRs. Much like the ISOFIX childseats. They were better and safer in every way but ILLEGAL in Australia because of outdated ADRs.

100% agree. ADRs need to move with the times and start allowing safety features that meet European standards.

Wait, wait, this can't be true, I'm agreeing with Rocket! :-)

Cheers

George

[Maddriver3]

Forgive my ignorance as I have never owned a car with a tow ball, but does the fact the 206 has a VCDS load rating mean i can legally get tow ball fitted in QLD? I have spoken to someone who does after market tow balls and they said they believe they can fit a European tow ball to the 206 however it would need to have a load rating to be legal. I am going to put a deposit down for a wagon next week but need to know if it can take a tow ball. thanks.

[tigger73]

According to the RVCS (approvals) site, the 206TSI is rated to take a trailer.

The issue is VW doesn't have it listed in their specs.

You would need to get this written into your purchase contract that the car delivered can be fitted with an aftermarket towbar and is rated to take a trailer. You can check this when taking delivery of the vehicle that the load/GVM values allow this on the vehicles weight placard. If it can't take the load then you don't take the car. I'm sure the dealer would sell it to someone else.

Either that or it forces the dealer to confirm that the vehicle is suitable for towing.

[chopper]

Update - The car is officially available a month earlier than previously announced.

(Which is good, as mine was promised to me the week after next!)

2017 Volkswagen Passat 206TSI R-Line pricing and specs:: available October 17 – UPDATE (http://www.caradvice.com.au/475428/2017-volkswagen-passat-206tsi-r-line-brings-more-power-awd-for-australia/)

[Maddriver3]

According to the RVCS (approvals) site, the 206TSI is rated to take a trailer.

The issue is VW doesn't have it listed in their specs.

You would need to get this written into your purchase contract that the car delivered can be fitted with an aftermarket towbar and is rated to take a trailer. You can check this when taking delivery of the vehicle that the load/GVM values allow this on the vehicles weight placard. If it can't take the load then you don't take the car. I'm sure the dealer would sell it to someone else.

Either that or it forces the dealer to confirm that the vehicle is suitable for towing.

Yeah I have been onto VW about just this and they have said that as per the RVCS the car is rated to those figures, however as VW isn't listing it they wont back it and cover it under warranty. Basically said add 3rd party tow bar at your own risk.

As it's so new nobody seems to know exactly what's going on, one guy I talked to assured me he could do it and gave me a price for it, I actually had to email him the spec's showing it wasn't listed before he confirmed it.

Will have to get a tow bar on my missus Tiguan if I want to go ahead with the 206...

[Nealo]

Are the 206's in ready to be test driven?

[chopper]

Are the 206's in ready to be test driven?

I believe it will be next week. They won't release any cars until Monday next week, when they're due for launch. My car is just sitting in a yard...

[wm7503]

The Passat configurator with the 206 is live online now.

VW Car Configurator | Build & Price | Volkswagen Australia (http://app.volkswagen.com.au/ihdcc/en/configurator.html)

Cheers WM7503

[chopper]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Iinuj0xn4ok

206TSI R-Line video review.

[Foxtrot]

Comparing the Passat 206 Wagon with the Skoda 206 Wagon, the spec sheet of the Passat lists the minimum fuel as 98 RON while the Skoda is only 95 RON. Does anyone know if this is correct for the Passat as all the other performance/power figures seem pretty similar?

[chopper]

Comparing the Passat 206 Wagon with the Skoda 206 Wagon, the spec sheet of the Passat lists the minimum fuel as 98 RON while the Skoda is only 95 RON. Does anyone know if this is correct for the Passat as all the other performance/power figures seem pretty similar?

The dealer told me it uses 95RON when I asked over a month back. You're right, the identical Skoda uses 95RON... interestingly, the German spec. sheet for the car also lists 95RON.
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It's probably a misprint... or, they've just taken the Golf R figure (which I believe uses 98RON), not realising this has a different tune.

[adamking]

On the tow bar issue I just got a quote for one to be fitted for $1600ish on a 206tsi by the dealer


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[chopper]

She arrived today! Hopefully collect her on Wednesday!

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[Eaglehawk]

:cool: More pics and review soon then?

[chopper]

:cool: More pics and review soon then?

Of course! Ironically, the first time I'll drive a 206TSI... is when I drive her out of the showroom. It better be good...

[Rocket36]

I really wish that plastic mount for the euro style front number plate was optional!

[adamking]

Usually they come off with two screws I think it's something to do with the adr rules and it being mounted on a flat surface


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[wm7503]

Mine arrives on the 24th. Unfortunately I'm overseas for business for the next 3 weeks. Some more pics and reviews would be great Chopper.
Enjoy it👍

[chopper]

I finally have her in the garage!

Initial thoughts... given I've only driven her home. She's nice... very nice! Not as sporty as I was hoping (or as loud), but it goes like a rocket when you prod it. I'm expecting when I play with the driver select settings, this might change.

On a pleasant note - the sound system seems to sound much better than the 140TDI Highline I test-drove. I noted before, there seems to be two sets of 'basic' speakers in the VW parts list. I wonder if these have a better, or newer version of what was in the Highline (which was an older MY16 model)? Perhaps it's a placebo effect and wishful thinking... but it isn't as bad as I remembered! Also, the digital dash is a highlight!

I'll post more when I've had a chance to have a bit of a play...

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[ope126]

Looks the goods mate!!!

[Rocket36]

Brilliant! Good work mate! Can't wait for more of a detailed analysis and more pics. But go and really enjoy it first!

[chopper]

Day two thoughts (while the kids are doing Karate!).

I've done about 60kms in it today. The car is still surprising and delighting me. Little things, like the Bluetooth audio (it's only taken a day for me to become too lazy to plug it in to access the Apple CarPlay!) continuing where I left off. This might be nothing new to some of you... but coming from a GTI, which had about 6 steps to access the Bluetooth audio, it's a revelation! Probably not what you're hoping to hear about... but goes to the great leap in tech. this car has over something 5 years older. The digital dash is SOOO good! Customisable and rich in info... it transforms the car's interior. I couldn't buy a Passat without it now (poor Alltrack buyers!). The interior is great... no complaints so far. I suspect the roof might get a bit hot in summer... but I have a plan / hack for that, should it become an issue. If it works... I'll share it!

The car is not as sporty / loud as my old Mark. VI GTI. This is probably my biggest disappointment with the car... and the risk I took buying before test-driving. Having said that... not much at this end of the market would be more sporty or loud, short of driving a V8 Commodore wagon. That was never going to happen...

It's not that it isn't sporty... more I was hoping (given the power etc.) it would feel like a bigger GTI. It more feels like a faster Passat, if that makes sense. My only other complaint is the DSG gearbox is VERY hesitant off the line. It SEEMS like it's more pronounced than the GTI was. You really need to gently lean on the throttle until you feel it bite... then sink the boot, otherwise you risk a sudden dump of power. Not so much an issue with the AWD (4Motion... bloody proprietary names!) like it was in the GTI, but annoying. I was hoping this was ironed out somewhat. Luckily I'm already used to DSG driving.

Other than that... the driving experience is solid and enjoyable. Corners well (the progressive steering isn't so pronounced it's annoying, rather it complements the character of the car) and goes where you point it. The ride is very comfortable...interestingly, due to the DCC (which only comes with the 206TSI), they don't lower the suspension the same 15mm of the other R-Line cars. It looks something like a half Alltrack... but it gives it good ground clearance (I don't scrape the nose like I did in te GTI on my driveway) and is ultra absorbent of bumps.

All in all, for a circa $62,000 car... I'm very happy. I'd definitely recommended it as a comfortable, quasi-luxury family cruiser... which can hammer when you feel like it! ��

[adamking]

You've got me Hanging for mine to arrive now, I am told it's in the next week or so


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[Wynnston]

Going to the dealer later in the week to check one out. I was really curious about whether it had a sporty note or not. Thanks for clearing that up.

Would love to hear what you think of the lighting (dynamic headlights etc.) as I wont get a chance to test drive one at night.

[chopper]

Going to the dealer later in the week to check one out. I was really curious about whether it had a sporty note or not. Thanks for clearing that up.

Would love to hear what you think of the lighting (dynamic headlights etc.) as I wont get a chance to test drive one at night.

Funny you should ask! I'm just back from my first night drive.

I borrowed a 140TDI Highline over a weekend before we ordered, so I had the opportunity to drive it at night as well. When I returned it, I only had two complaints with it (so much so, given the price difference, we briefly contemplated getting the TDI)... the audio (see one of my previous forum posts about it... which as you'll have read in this thread earlier, seems to no longer be an issue!) and the lights. They are bright, sharp and the active system is good. It also has the static cornering lights which light your corners almost 90 degrees... a fantastic feature.

The problem with the lights was they were set too low. As with the old Bi-Xenon lights, there is a distinct point where the lights stop (as opposed to the older style halogen lights, which just start to dim away from the main beam). That cut off point seemed to be a bit low (I measured it between 50-80m, depending on if you were accelerating (as the car's nose would rise up during accelerating). I was reading somewhere they were speed dependant... but in this case, they didn't seem to be. Even at 80km/hr, you're traveling at 22m/sec. It gives you about 3 seconds view down the road. Not much reaction time on a dark night. Animals, pot holes etc...

I did a quick google search prior to returning it, I was so worried... which seemed to show I wasn't the only one with the issue (mostly UK drivers).

I spoke with the dealership service team, who said they can fix it. There's apparently a 'grub screw' which allows a small amount of manual adjustment. it would only need a small number of degrees up to be fixed.

So... this is the long way around to say yes, my car also seems to be a bit short... but I will just drop it in and get it adjusted.

I should also probably mention, the high beams are great!!!

Ohhh - completely off topic, but I'd recommend anyone with the pano. roof... get it tinted. I did and it's great! I'm planning to use some of the ultra-thin insulation i used on our house (it's called Kingspan air-cell) to fit between the glass and the blind if it's really too hot over summer. I imagine it will fit (it's less than 8mm thick from memory) and has an R-Value around R1.5 from memory. Coupled with the tint, it should see off the heat on the 40 degree days!

[Rocket36]

The headlight adjustment is something you should be able to do (up or down). I did back in the days of my old R36.

They're still self levelling, but it's an adjustment for the overall housing of the lights. They are conservatively set that's for sure.

[Wynnston]

Nerd question...

Is the interior ambient LED multi colour (changeable) or fixed?

[chopper]

The headlight adjustment is something you should be able to do (up or down). I did back in the days of my old R36.

They're still self levelling, but it's an adjustment for the overall housing of the lights. They are conservatively set that's for sure.

I'm not exactly the most handy bloke... so I'll probably get the workshop to do it, but good to know! :clap:


Nerd question...

Is the interior ambient LED multi colour (changeable) or fixed?

It's fixed (whiteish). It's in the doors and the footwell. The only adjustment is the brightness. The Skoda has multi-coloured lighting... which also extends to the dash (not on the VW).

[adamking]

The mid spec Mondeo I had with my last job had colour changing interior lights which sounds cool until the kids work it out


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[kamold]

I hired some sort of mid size GM in the US 2 years ago with led colours youbcouod control from the head unit.
Might have been a Malibu.
The effect was extremely naff.

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[chopper]

I was playing with the system in the new E-Class Merc. a few weeks ago. It's a similar design / idea to the systems above and was mega awesome. I love the idea... especially as I have multi-coloured LED strip lighting all throughout my house. However... all things considered, I'll take the active info display over the coloured lights any day!

As with all things in life... you can't have it all!

[chopper]

A few extra photos... the digital dash is such a cool feature!

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[Tinhillterror]

Hi folks, I'm new here, and wasn't able to find these answers in the thread. I spotted one of these at my work car park. I couldn't find out who owns it, so came here for some questions...

- what's the interior storage like, particularly the centre console, and is there a place for glasses?

- I'm assuming it has electronic park break, where is the switch located? (Bloody Subaru is next to the seat warmers...)

Well done all those folks in their new rides, certainly has the potential to turn heads.

[chopper]

Hi folks, I'm new here, and wasn't able to find these answers in the thread. I spotted one of these at my work car park. I couldn't find out who owns it, so came here for some questions...

- what's the interior storage like, particularly the centre console, and is there a place for glasses?

- I'm assuming it has electronic park break, where is the switch located? (Bloody Subaru is next to the seat warmers...)

Well done all those folks in their new rides, certainly has the potential to turn heads.

Hi Mate!

1. Storage is good. The centre console has a decent sized bin... which houses the USB and AUX ports. There's a few other odds-and-ends storage compartments as well. I have the pano roof, which I believe misses out on the overhead sunglasses holder on no roof models.

2. Electric park brake is located just forward of the centre console bin, located to the left of the centreline. It's clear of everything else. Easy to use and doesn't impinge on any other switchgear.

Hope it helps.

[Spook]

@ Chopper

Thanks for sharing your views and the answering the questions from those of us still dreaming about the 206TSI! The specs mentioned that the Luxury Package has park assist, but no mention if it is standard on the 206TSI. Can you confirm? Thanks.

[chopper]

@ Chopper

Thanks for sharing your views and the answering the questions from those of us still dreaming about the 206TSI! The specs mentioned that the Luxury Package has park assist, but no mention if it is standard on the 206TSI. Can you confirm? Thanks.

Hi Mate

Yep... it's included on the car! It's just to the left of the hazard lights switch. I've not actually used it yet. I had it on my GTI... used it once, never used it again.

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[Sqeaky]

i like your tunes, saw James in concert recently which was great!

[chopper]

i like your tunes, saw James in concert recently which was great!

I've recently re-discovered some classics Aussie rock (the joys of an Apple Music subscription)... Aussie Crawl amongst it!

I really like his newer acoustic albums... basically, because I can understand him. I defy anyone to listen to the original version of 'Hammerhead' and tell me what he's saying!

But, I digress...

[adamking]

Ehhh mine is due Monday next week, stuck at a conference and don't get home till Thursday night frustrating !


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[chopper]

Ehhh mine is due Monday next week, stuck at a conference and don't get home till Thursday night frustrating !

It's going to be worth the wait. What did you order?

[adamking]

Blue wagon no sunroof, end of month spooked the dealer it's coming tomorrow now


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[chopper]

Blue wagon no sunroof, end of month spooked the dealer it's coming tomorrow now


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I'm looking forward to reading what you think... and some photos too!

[adamking]

https://vimeo.com/189242196
http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2016/10/24f19b482f01d2de4049d68c0390414f-2.jpghttp://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2016/10/4c138ceba50d6bedcd802031d63a593b-2.jpg

Trying to work and ignore its presence out the front did a quick lap it's nice.


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[adamking]

Also has dealer fitter towbar so that answers that question


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[chopper]

Trying to work and ignore its presence out the front did a quick lap it's nice.


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Nice one! I'm keen to hear your impressions when you've taken it for a drive.

I've spent ages playing with the EQ. setting to find what I think is optimal. I'll send it to you, if you'd like and like me, struggled to get good sound.

[adamking]

http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2016/10/1ce5570e452ab6b49a2106a4ba922353-2.jpg didn't need to know this existed


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[adamking]

Went the long way back from a meeting very composed not a terrifying monster but very swift


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[chopper]

Went the long way back from a meeting very composed not a terrifying monster but very swift

That's a very apt description!

[adamking]

http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2016/10/323d21215e1a4384dbc746cdddfc13d8-2.jpg the out side pipe on each side of the exhausts has this little valve thing and some kind of actuator on the side anyone know what it is?


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[SMOKEY]

I'd say it's an actuated flap that opens up a straighter path in the muffler for more exhaust volume under heavy throttle, or as part of the different driving mode settings.

You can probably mod it so that it stays open all the time which would give the car a bit more note all the time, not just under WOT.




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[wm7503]

Hi Adam,

still on on my trip overseas and mine is waiting at the dealer. I'm interested in the fitting of the towbar. I also ordered mine with the towbar. Can you give a couple of pics. Looks great.

Thanks Wm7503

[adamking]

Hi Adam,

still on on my trip overseas and mine is waiting at the dealer. I'm interested in the fitting of the towbar. I also ordered mine with the towbar. Can you give a couple of pics. Looks great.

Thanks Wm7503

I have locked it up for the week while I am away and its the only angle I haven't got a picture of, there is no visible cut at it drops out of the bottom of the rear bumper so the only surface that has been cut faces the ground. Will post one late this week.


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[Delewin]

Hi All,
Can someone tell me what sort of KW and NM increase I can expect from a Stage one ECU mod. All else remains factory std.

Thank you,
David

[Wynnston]

Hi All,
Can someone tell me what sort of KW and NM increase I can expect from a Stage one ECU mod. All else remains factory std.

Thank you,
David

Probably best to look up the gains from the various tuners on the Golf R. The engine is identical.

[adamking]

Hi Adam,

still on on my trip overseas and mine is waiting at the dealer. I'm interested in the fitting of the towbar. I also ordered mine with the towbar. Can you give a couple of pics. Looks great.

Thanks Wm7503

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[wm7503]

Thanks Adam,

Looks great. Very neat job....

[tigger73]

Hi All,
Can someone tell me what sort of KW and NM increase I can expect from a Stage one ECU mod. All else remains factory std.

Thank you,
David

For a flash tune you can get 270-290kW and 400-420Nm depending on the tuner.

If you go with one of the tuning boxes (JB1, etc) it'll be a bit less, say around 250-260kW.

[Jimi]

You should be able to better that on the torque front. The stock Audi S3 engine is now 400Nm. APR stage 1s are close to 300kw/500Nm in the Golf R

https://www.goapr.com/products/ecu_upgrade_20tsi_gen3_mqb_r.html

[Delewin]

Thank you again tigger73.

I think my hotting up days are over especially in light of the insurance company voiding your cover if you don't tell them. If you do tell them, they either refuse to insure you are ask for a first mortgage on your home each year.

Also, where can you use it safely on our terrible roads today. The only place is on a race track. Taking a Passat 206TSI wagon on the track to compete against Golf Rs etc, really would be a joke (on me.)

I'm still young enough to dream. :)

[tigger73]

There's quite a few insurance companies that will insure modified cars for not that much more than others. I'm insured through RAA here in SA and they're OK with mods to a point. Shannons and JustCar will insure just about anything you want.

[Delewin]

Gentlemen,

I have looked through the VW website and I cannot see any reference to Area View included with the 206TSI. Can someone confirm yes or no?

I see the new Tiguan Highline with Driver Assist Package provides Area View. I really like this as I have difficulty guaging distances and I tend to be "too" conservative.
Thank you,
David

[Delewin]

Hi all,

Question from the ignorant. How does the Skoda Superb 206STI wagon compare with the Passat 206TSI wagon. In 5,000 words or less why would I buy the Passat over the Skoda?

Thank you,
David

[Delewin]

Yes. Many years ago, I used Shannons to insure my road registered track car.

[kaitan]

Hi all,

Question from the ignorant. How does the Skoda Superb 206STI wagon compare with the Passat 206TSI wagon. In 5,000 words or less why would I buy the Passat over the Skoda?

Thank you,
David

thats quite interesting to see what people say about both of them. i did cross shop them and I would say Skoda had the upper hand in terms of features and gadgets.

[adamking]

Hi all,

Question from the ignorant. How does the Skoda Superb 206STI wagon compare with the Passat 206TSI wagon. In 5,000 words or less why would I buy the Passat over the Skoda?

Thank you,
David

For me it came down to the resale and the Skoda looks cheaper but you have to tick a lot of boxes to get the same kit


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[adamking]

Gentlemen,

I have looked through the VW website and I cannot see any reference to Area View included with the 206TSI. Can someone confirm yes or no?

I see the new Tiguan Highline with Driver Assist Package provides Area View. I really like this as I have difficulty guaging distances and I tend to be "too" conservative.
Thank you,
David

If it's there I haven't found it, I've never seen it in a "car" I think the cameras in the bottom of the wing mirrors need higher ride hight to get enough image from the side to stitch together with the front and rear ones


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[Mysticality]

Hi all,

Question from the ignorant. How does the Skoda Superb 206STI wagon compare with the Passat 206TSI wagon. In 5,000 words or less why would I buy the Passat over the Skoda?

Thank you,
David

You would buy the Passat because:
1) Resale
2) Badge snobbery
3) Fancy digital dash

You would buy the Superb because:
1) Rear leg room
2) Longer wheel base
3) More of a sleeper (If you're into that kind of thing)

A couple of interesting notes; Panoramic sunroof on the Skoda is $1,900 - the Passat is $2k; the standard seats in the Superb are leather/Alcantara whereas the Passat is leather/imitation leather.
A fully optioned Superb 206TSI wagon right now is $63,290.00 on road, whereas a Passat 206TSI wagon is $59,990 before on roads.

Then there's all the clever little Skoda things:
The cargo blind that retracts automatically when you lift the tailgate
The push-button start is on the steering column (not some silly button on the dash)
The bonnet covers the entire front of the car - the sheet metal actually covers the front guards a little bit which ads to a fantastic line. Picture attached.
Does the Passat have the LED mood lighting like the Golf R?
Does the Passat have LED puddle lights in the wing mirrors?
Factory iPad holder for the rear passengers
Did I mention the gargantuan leg room? :D
Passat Wagon boot space 1,780L vs Superb @ 1,950L

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[Delewin]

Thank you all, especially Mysticality for your responses.

I expect to keep this car for at least 10 years, so resale value is not a serious concern. Reliability is a serious concern. Fancy bits or not, I do not want to have the car in the workshop more than 1 day a year and that is for regular service / checkup. On average overthe last 14 years I have travelled less than 12,500 Km per year.
I will add the Skoda to my list.
Many thanks,
David

[tigger73]

Yes plus if you purchase now you can get 1.8% finance and 5 years warranty across the Skoda range if you take Skoda (VW) finance.

At least that way the car is covered by new car warranty for half the time you're planning on owning it.

Also the Skoda is substantially larger. It's a full size wagon (similar size to your Falcon/Commodore) compared to Passat which is still classified as mid-size.

Finally if you're talking snob value, I reckon that there will be less Superbs on the road than Passats (not anything against the Superb). So you'll actually be driving a more unique car that looks pretty sharp.

Personally I don't think either would be a bad car to have for 10 years.

[FSI 220]

Back sniffing around the 206 R line thread (Like Chopper and a few others) after many years away. (for context mine was one of the the first B7 FSI220 wagon with the Sportspack delivered) thinking about getting something next year...

Thinking about the B8 206, so as they start getting delivered, please write up your experiences and post picks...

Current thoughts?

My brain says look around for a low mileage, loaded, late V6 B7 wagon (or V6CC -dont like the passat sedans much), pick up a lot of recently depreciated/superseded car

My heart says stretch to a new B8 206 STI, or look for a couple of year old S4 with the tricky diff.

And finally, the bollocks are telling me to ignore the brains or heart and buy a manual V8 redline... (don't flame me - the ethnic genes are strong ones) :coolgleamA:

My last three years have been across two cars which worked well, an SP23GT that I novated and used for work at a 70% business use lease, although it is boring me senseless but fits wife an 3 kids as our second car (30% duty to keep personal KM down), and the most enjoyable car i have ever owned an NC Mx5 (70% duty).... cant justify two cars though so NC has left the building :facepalm:

I was fond of the B7, it was a thorough jet, but it was also somewhat clinical and dunno, interested in these R lines and what people think. The call of reasonably priced RWD and Manual is a big one, and those options are rapidly disappearing.

Also,what is with the lack of Dynaudio option? I see the skoda has a multi speaker/subwoofer "Canton" audio option (told you them ethnic genes are strong ones)... thanks to this thread there is another option now heading over to the Skoda configurator...

Hmmm - need to update the sig! gap year extended to 3 years mucking around with the mx5!

[Mysticality]

Thank you all, especially Mysticality for your responses.

I expect to keep this car for at least 10 years, so resale value is not a serious concern. Reliability is a serious concern. Fancy bits or not, I do not want to have the car in the workshop more than 1 day a year and that is for regular service / checkup. On average overthe last 14 years I have travelled less than 12,500 Km per year.
I will add the Skoda to my list.
Many thanks,
David

It helps to be both a Skoda nutcase, and to work at the temple - peddling wares to the public. :D
I don't know why anybody would ever buy a Passat over the Superb!

[chopper]

Hi all,

Question from the ignorant. How does the Skoda Superb 206STI wagon compare with the Passat 206TSI wagon. In 5,000 words or less why would I buy the Passat over the Skoda?

Thank you,
David

Things you get on one, you miss out on with the other...

Passat
1. Digital Dash!
2. Massaging seat
3. Retractable cargo protector to separate load area from passengers.

Superb
1. Ventalated seats - (in a package)
2. Retractable window blinds in the rear
3. Umbrellas in the doors (very cool!)
4. A premium sound system - (in a package)

I choose the Passat over the Superb for a number of reasons...

1. The digital dash - this alone is a winning point.
2. My wife thinks the Superb looks cheap inside and is too big (I must point out, I disagreed with both points).
3. The resale value.
4. I prefer the look of the Passat.
5. Being slightly smaller, it's lighter and faster!

Frankly... you probably won't go wrong with either!

[chopper]

Gentlemen,

I have looked through the VW website and I cannot see any reference to Area View included with the 206TSI. Can someone confirm yes or no?

I see the new Tiguan Highline with Driver Assist Package provides Area View. I really like this as I have difficulty guaging distances and I tend to be "too" conservative.
Thank you,
David

Sorry if this was already answered... but no, the Passat 206TSI doesn't have area view, only a reversing camera. It works fine though (especially now the MY17 cars have a dipping pax. mirror!!!).

[chopper]

You would buy the Passat because:
1) Resale
2) Badge snobbery
3) Fancy digital dash

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Then there's all the clever little Skoda things:
The cargo blind that retracts automatically when you lift the tailgate
The push-button start is on the steering column (not some silly button on the dash)
The bonnet covers the entire front of the car - the sheet metal actually covers the front guards a little bit which ads to a fantastic line. Picture attached.
Does the Passat have the LED mood lighting like the Golf R?
Does the Passat have LED puddle lights in the wing mirrors?
Factory iPad holder for the rear passengers
Did I mention the gargantuan leg room? :D
Passat Wagon boot space 1,780L vs Superb @ 1,950L

Looks to me like you've just made the case for the Passat! :cool:

To answer your questions...

Passat boot cover also auto retracts.
The Superb start button is only on the column to cover the hole from the regular ignition!
Bonnets tend to do that! :)
It has mood lighting in any colour, so long as it's warm white!
Yes to puddle lights... yes to iPad holder (albeit, a bloody expensive option!).

All jokes aside... you'll sell tonnes of them! They're a great car.

[Delewin]

Hi chopper.
Thank you for your info. Actually you are the first to answer my original question regarding area view.
Regards
David

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[Mysticality]

Looks to me like you've just made the case for the Passat! :cool:

To answer your questions...

Passat boot cover also auto retracts.
The Superb start button is only on the column to cover the hole from the regular ignition!
Bonnets tend to do that! :)
It has mood lighting in any colour, so long as it's warm white!
Yes to puddle lights... yes to iPad holder (albeit, a bloody expensive option!).

All jokes aside... you'll sell tonnes of them! They're a great car.

Superb Start button is in a Simply Clever place - everyone who jumps in one knows exactly where it is! ;)
The bonnet sits OVER the guard, not alongside it - I think you have to see one in person to know exactly what I'm talking about, but it looks great!
MY17 Superb has 10 colours! Although you'll probably only ever set it to blue.

Passat doesn't have blinds in the rear doors?
What about the secondary holder in the boot that rolls/clips out of the way?
Bending headlights?
And no vented seats? Come on, VW...

[blueSup]

I’ll back up Mysticality here, even with my proven bias. (http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/f150/superb-purchase-experience-112819.html)

The Superb, for me, presented and felt like a better car. When you look at all the switchgear and control placement, it’s absolutely clear they are all from the same place, but layouts are subtly altered.
Both the Passat and the Superb are individual sums of the same parts, and both produce excellent results. In my eyes, and this is the subjective part, the Superb came out to a better number for me than the Passat.
From the rims (love them), to the uncluttered dashboard, interior colour choice, to the start button being in the right place, the Superb added up to a better sum for me.
Both cars have clumsy points, and both have character. The Passat was just a little smaller, more cramped, and very dark on the inside. Yes, the Passat has a groovy TFT dash now, but the Superb’s dash cutout is the same shape so you know that the same dash will make an appearance there too. The simplicity of the gauges and the whole dash in the Superb was a selling point for me.
And when you line the two cars up side by side, the Superb has a much better arse. :-)

[TrueRush]

Hi all new to vwwatercooled here,

I'm in the market for one of these. Had a look at the Superb 206 and was quite impressed overall. Loved the Alcantra on the seats VW missed the boat on that one.

On the Superb we looked at in the center console where the shifter was at the end where it meets the cup holder it was flimsy it moved and clicked everytime we placed pressure on it. Can anyone with a Superb 206 confirm they fixed this? It seems they forgot to place lining there. That is one of those issues I can't simple overlook as if the issue is there what else did they overlook.

The digital display on the Passat is a huge bonus. I prefer the looks over the Superb. I believe it will age better. Not a fan of the Superb headlights shape front and back nor the grille. Where as the Passat's lines are cleaner for me.

My grips with the cars is the DSG we have a Golf Mk7 diesel and my mother-in-law has the B7 diesel pano/wagon. The fit and finish and just solid feel I can appreciate. I hate how the DSG behaves after an ideal stop tho. I haven't tried the petrol fully yet but our friend has an older Tiguan petrol and it just seemed to respond better.

I really wished they made a hero color for both 206 would be hot with that light polo blue.

Also the sound from the exhaust or lack of shame.

Can someone with a Passat show us some pictures of the exhaust pipes where they will meet the faux bumper pipes?

I haven't gone to do a test drive yet. Will be looking in about Feb to buy.

[Mysticality]

On the Superb we looked at in the center console where the shifter was at the end where it meets the cup holder it was flimsy it moved and clicked everytime we placed pressure on it. Can anyone with a Superb 206 confirm they fixed this? It seems they forgot to place lining there. That is one of those issues I can't simple overlook as if the issue is there what else did they overlook.

I've just checked out a Superb we have in the showroom, and there's minimal (and/or none at all) movement from the plastics in/around the shifter area. Perhaps it was only that car you were looking at?


My grips with the cars is the DSG we have a Golf Mk7 diesel and my mother-in-law has the B7 diesel pano/wagon. The fit and finish and just solid feel I can appreciate. I hate how the DSG behaves after an ideal stop tho. I haven't tried the petrol fully yet but our friend has an older Tiguan petrol and it just seemed to respond better.

Releasing the brake pedal slowly will reveal a "clutch point" for the DSG - where it starts to pull the car forward like a conventional automatic. If you take a minute to work out where this point is, and remember it, it becomes much easier and more responsive to drive. Soon this becomes second nature and all is well!
Subsequently, the "clutch point" for the DSG is also close and/or the same as the "start point" for the Auto Stop/Start. Two birds, one stone.

[Delewin]

Just a little bit of news. I went for a short drive in a beautiful white 206 tsi with sunroof on Sunday. First the positives.
1. It really goes. Big smile on face.
2. The seats are very supportive and the driver's seat also has a lower back massager function built in. Big smile for the right reasons.
3. The electronic dash is so full of good info for the driver. Big tick.
4. The active cruise control works fantastically in city traffic. Just set the desired speed and give a say 5 second distance before the car takes over and push the go peddle and let the car take over from there. You take your foot off the accelerator and sit it next to the brake. Just if you suddenly loose your nerve. Very big smile on face as you just steer. The car brakes and accelerates tagging the car in front as the datum point.
5. Heaps of space to move house if needed.
6. A full size spare Tyre. The significance of this cannot be underestimated. Virtually every car today has a space saver Tyre that cannot exceed 80km/hr. That's not funny when you are 600 km from the nearest tyre place that can fix or replace your tyre.

I'll continue the positives later.

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[Riker]

Fella's,

My local VW guys were telling me on Saturday that the R-lines (specifically the 206) do not have park assist however I note that the relevant sensors on the side of the front & rear guards used for park assist are in place. Anyone with the 206 (chopper) advise. Ta.......

[adamking]

It does mine reverse parked itself the other day


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[Delewin]

Part 2 of the positives.
7. It's very quiet overall. The only sound I heard was the sweet sound from the exhaust with wide open throttle. Big cheesy grin.
Tyre noise was noticeable but you had to listen for it.
8. I thought the sound system was very clear and had good tonal balance.
9. I'm not a great fan of sun roofs but this one humungous. It's feels like 1 metre wide x 2 metres deep. There is an interesting blind that is pulled to minimise sun burn on bald headed old guys like me. Worth another smile.
10. The instantaneous fuel consumption was interesting to watch it racing past 45 l/100km. Driven more sedately the consumption will be much more manageable.
11. The 206 KW output makes good use of the 4 wheel drive set up.
12. Speaking of economy. The engine actually switches itself off when stopped for more than 3 seconds (I think). Just squeeze the accelerator to bring it back to life. I know this is a good thing but why buy such a great car to have that beautiful engine turn itself off all the time. I know, only drive when there is no other traffic on the road. Wait a minute that may not be practical. Hmm.. back to the drawing board.

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[Delewin]

Now for the negatives
1. Most significantly my wife preferred the Tiguan. We have been driving SUVS for the past 14 years.

2. Errrr... oh I know. Refer to point 1.

Putting wife's comment aside. I am very impressed with the quality of finish and performance. Very big smile.

I can only congratulate the owners of their 206s and wish them a long safe and trouble free motoring experience.

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[Janko]

I can only congratulate the owners of their 206s and wish them a long safe and trouble free motoring experience.



Did you test drive the 132 Comfortline?The 206 has an adaptive suspension,AWD and a bigger engine other than these 3 features the rest is all same for 132 and they are about 10k cheaper.

It is worth exploring if the area view is really useful.If yes then Tiguan may be a better choice.The only issue I see with Tiguan 132 is lack of LED headlights.I am in love with LED headlights on my Passat.It makes a huge difference to the visually challenged like myself.

[chopper]

Now for the negatives
1. Most significantly my wife preferred the Tiguan. We have been driving SUVS for the past 14 years.

2. Errrr... oh I know. Refer to point 1.

Putting wife's comment aside. I am very impressed with the quality of finish and performance. Very big smile.

I can only congratulate the owners of their 206s and wish them a long safe and trouble free motoring experience.

Just buy both. Problem solved. You're welcome! :smile:


Did you test drive the 132 Comfortline?The 206 has an adaptive suspension,AWD and a bigger engine other than these 3 features the rest is all same for 132 and they are about 10k cheaper.

It is worth exploring if the area view is really useful.If yes then Tiguan may be a better choice.The only issue I see with Tiguan 132 is lack of LED headlights.I am in love with LED headlights on my Passat.It makes a huge difference to the visually challenged like myself.

It's a bit more complicated than that... for example, the 19" wheels you used to get with the R-Line package are now exclusive to the 206TSI. The interior is more like a luxury pack Highline than the Comfortline (including alarm, safe-lock etc.). All in all, I'd say it's $10,000 well spent to upgrade to the 206TSI. That's without mentioning the Comfortline driver will be passing 70km/hr (and looking at my sweet, sweet premium LED tail lights - also not included on the Comfortline) when I'm at the highway speed limit... :cool:

Also, I wouldn't get wrapped up around the axles with area-view. Honestly, you'll use it once or twice (I still haven't used the self-park on our 206TSI (yes... it's fitted as standard) then just use the regular rear view camera. We have it on another of our cars... it gets VERY little use! It's cool if you've got it... not a disaster if you don't (IMHO!).

[Delewin]

Hi Janko,

I did get to drive both the Tiguan 140TDi highline with R-line option as well as the 132TSI with DAP installed. The leather seats of the Tiguan highline are not a well fitting as the Passat. They are flatter and wider. I dended to slide around when pushing the Tiguan but did not budge in the 206 Passat.

I did not get much of a chance to "play around with the adaptive suspension in both the Passat and the 140 TDI Tiguan. I can say that I was going to order the Tiguan 162 with both DAP & R-line options but now I will be saving myself $4,000 and not getting the R-line option.

In day to day traffic, I could not tell there was much difference in the std suspension of the 132TSI (17" rims) and the 140 TDI Rline (20" rims). I appreciate that when really pushed the sports setting would assist considerably on a track day, but I am a bit past that and I am not buying the Tiguan to race it. If I was that way inclined I would get a Golf R, etc.

I areally like the Area View that comes with the DAP option in the Tiguan, but the 206 4 wheel drive Passat wagon is such a beautiful "sleeper" I loved it. I have owned a small number of very powerful sleepers in the past. (If you have 10+ hrs free I could talk abit about them. Ha. Ha.)

I actually did not get much of an oportunity to test out the Area view but I could see my hans when I stuck it out the driver's window. The Passat has "near side" mirror park position. Basically if it knows you are reversing into a parking position, it will reposition the near side mirror to look down towards the gutter thereby helping you see where you are heading and how much clearance you have. There is also the rear wide angle camers.


I agree with you regarding LED headlights. I would consider the 132TSI with DAP pack if it came with the adaptive LED headlights, but alass it does not. So Highline it must be. (I justify the difference in cost by having an 30 KW extra output, 18" rims vs 17, the adaptive LED headlights plus a few extra bits and pieces.) At this stage I think I will be placing my order for the 162TSI with DAP only. No sunroof no R line. That way I can put a tow bar on if needed later.

Regards,
David

[Delewin]

Ha Ha Chopper.

No can do. My wife tells me I only have one garage with space for one car. She would not tolerate me having a brand new car stuck out on the roadside every day.:P

So even with such a generous genleman like yourself who would willingly stump up for the 206 TSI on my behalf, I would have to very reluctantly pass up this once in a lifetime opportunity.

But thank you again chopper your great suggestion will be remembered for a long time to come.

Best wishes,
David

[chopper]

Ha Ha Chopper.

No can do. My wife tells me I only have one garage with space for one car. She would not tolerate me having a brand new car stuck out on the roadside every day.:P

So even with such a generous genleman like yourself who would willingly stump up for the 206 TSI on my behalf, I would have to very reluctantly pass up this once in a lifetime opportunity.

But thank you again chopper your great suggestion will be remembered for a long time to come.

Best wishes,
David

Sell house. Buy another. Two garage spots. Problem solved. You're welcome... again!

[Delewin]

Too complicated. Maybe sell wife only need one car. Problem solved. Hmm... maybe not. Still have problem. Now got angry wife as she saw this thread.

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[snala]

Hi everyone. I'm from NZ and have had one of these for a while so might add some value to the new guys here that have just got theirs. Sorry it is quite long but.....
Done 11,000kms in mine and came from an Octavia VRS as wanted to back to AWD and petrol and we only get the TDI AWD Octavia VRS wagons here with DSG which I didn't want.
So far, once I got over the fuel consumption coming back to petrol which actually isn't bad probably for a 280BHP car. I'm getting 9L per 100kms average. Other thing here is fuel tank is quoted at 66L, it is not, it is at least 70L and a range of over 750kms touring which I've done more than once on ski trips.
Driving modes are good, ECO is weird with free wheeling and takes a bit of getting used to but combined with adaptive cruise is probably bearable it although I think it makes not much difference to economy and you are always on the brakes when in town as no engine braking. Comfort setting is great for the crap roads we have over here around town when not going quick. Mostly use normal as its the best compromise but if on a really windy road will go to Sport as it makes the car handle a bit quicker and flatter as this is still a biggish car compared to the VRS and you do notice it although ride quality is better everywhere as are NVH levels. Sport also makes the exhaust sound better when changing gears up and down which is the reason for the flaps on the outer two exhaust pipes, yes this has 4 like a Golf R does.
LEDs are excellent colour wise for long night journeys and very bright especially when straight back at you on reflective signs but possibly don't have quite as far a range as Xenons but definitely more light as a wall otherwise. To adjust the LEDs height, you use a large Allen key turning anti clockwise on the Top (not side) white adjuster on each unit. Try turning 90 degs at a time and go for a drive to see then add more if necessary. VW stuffed doing mine twice so badly they hardly went 20m in front of the car on dipped! So I sorted myself as they are aimed too short set stranded compared to normal lights so I've spent a bit of time getting right.
Heated Seats are good and the memory function on those combined with the keys, radio/infotainment and mirrors is nice to have too.
Keyless entry and not having to ever touch the park brake when stopping or starting due to auto hold, which I thought was just over kill, is actually on an auto really useful too.

Other thing I'll answer is why this over 206 Superb for me. Love Skodas and happily would have bought Superb instead but:
Adaptive cruise controls in VW on steering wheel are much better to use than stalk in Skoda, you will use it a lot, esp in traffic jams because it is the ducks nuts let alone the car steering itself!
Steering wheel is nicer in VW IMO as well
Inner rooflining in Skoda is light brown, this is dark like VRS was which I prefer.
Seats on this go much lower, have more adjustments and are more comfortable, massaging function too.
This has a better dashboard,
Superb does not have the progressive steering which is a major difference after having it in VRS, I would not want to give this up.
VW's LEDs lights are better overall than Xenons are.
Superb is bigger but i didn't need it and I wonder if VW handles slightly better as a result as it felt like it to me?
VW was cheaper price overall as got an ex demo so price wasn't an issue, $5k NZD diff otherwise in favour of Skoda.
Skoda did have better Audio though(Canton with Sub), umbrellas, and the silly ambient lighting stripes over here but I didn't care.

It's quite quick too but very dependent on how much you push on the accelerator as the DSG is pretty orientated towards fuel economy. I've never had a car that is so reliant on accelerator position as to how if reacts gearbox wise if that makes sense. The DSG S setting is there as are the paddles too but once you know how the throttle position impacts the gears its just as easy to use D as performance isn't far off going feral in sport which just revs for Africa and is bit annoying. Another tip is to go back into Drive quickly from a manual selected gear you just pull back the gear selector or hold down the right paddle.

Hope this helps with some questions. Happy to answer anything as these are great cars.

[Janko]

Thanks Snala for a good writeup of your experience.Does the 206 have autodimming headlights?

[snala]

Thanks Snala for a good writeup of your experience.Does the 206 have autodimming headlights?
If you mean auto on/off due to light yes, but mine does not have the auto high beam assist i.e controls the high beam when it detects oncoming traffic etc.

[Wynnston]

Is the white ambient lighting like the lighting strips in the Golf's? Or is it just interior LED lights? If any of the 206 owners get a chance, could you take an image of the interior at night? It's so hard to tell what's what when all the reviews are generally on Euro cars with more options than they give us in Australia.

[Wynnston]

Does anyone know if the headlights are the full LED Adaptive lights where the beam stays on high beam and then adjusts when there is an oncoming car, or does it have just static LED headlights?

[INASNT]

Interested to hear once someone has done even a stage 1 tune APR or similar and if the car feels more like a Golf R than in standard tune as the Passat would be focused more toward the older gentlemen/woman.

Guessing the suspension tuning even set to sport will be a lot softer than the Golf R. Driven the previous Passat CC in sport mode, very soft compared to my Golf R.

[snala]

Does anyone know if the headlights are the full LED Adaptive lights where the beam stays on high beam and then adjusts when there is an oncoming car, or does it have just static LED headlights?

Mine only has the standard adaptive cornering 4x LED lights, the outside two move around, the middle two don't.
No matrix or high bean assist on mine.

[tigger73]

Interested to hear once someone has done even a stage 1 tune APR or similar and if the car feels more like a Golf R than in standard tune as the Passat would be focused more toward the older gentlemen/woman.

Guessing the suspension tuning even set to sport will be a lot softer than the Golf R. Driven the previous Passat CC in sport mode, very soft compared to my Golf R.

Hopefully the Passat 206 doesn't come with the soundaktor for additional artificial engine noise.

[chopper]

Is the white ambient lighting like the lighting strips in the Golf's? Or is it just interior LED lights? If any of the 206 owners get a chance, could you take an image of the interior at night? It's so hard to tell what's what when all the reviews are generally on Euro cars with more options than they give us in Australia.

The best I could do with my phone (an iPhone 7Plus... so apparently improved low light photos. Pig's arse!). The ambient lighting is in the foot wells, the door grab handles and under the aluminium strips on the doors (though not in / under the dash aluminium strip, like the Superb). You can adjust intensity through the centre screen... but it's a fixed white colour. Any other colour would be stupid anyway...

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[chopper]

Does anyone know if the headlights are the full LED Adaptive lights where the beam stays on high beam and then adjusts when there is an oncoming car, or does it have just static LED headlights?

Overseas, the Passat has two different LED Headlights. The basic set - dynamic cornering (swivel into corners, which Aus. cars have) and the full blown matrix Audi-style ones which adapt to oncoming cars during high-beam (I wish!).

[chopper]

Interested to hear once someone has done even a stage 1 tune APR or similar and if the car feels more like a Golf R than in standard tune as the Passat would be focused more toward the older gentlemen/woman.

Guessing the suspension tuning even set to sport will be a lot softer than the Golf R. Driven the previous Passat CC in sport mode, very soft compared to my Golf R.

Who are you calling old?!

Yes... even in sport, the suspension is softer than my GTI in comfort (both have adaptive dampers).

Interestingly... because the 206TSI has the adaptive dampers, it doesn't get the lowered suspension of the other models with the 'R-Line' pack. I assume they can't / don't fit the lowered springs with the adaptive setup (remembering, overseas this is an option you can order with the regular car).

The result is the 206TSI sits 15mm higher than other B8 Passats with the R-Line pack. While you'd think this might be a problem, the fact is it looks fine... but the big plus is the extra suspension travel you get. I can hit bumps (like my driveway) at full speed, which used to bottom out my GTI. I was slightly annoyed when I found out about it... now, I'm a massive fan!

[chopper]

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A drive in the country...

[Wynnston]

Thanks for that. Appreciate it a lot!

Car looks nice. I'm not far off pushing the go button on a White Sedan w/Sunroof. Somewhat disappointed that they remove features from the car which don't really cost them much more if anything. What I would love (but it's missing)

- Interchangeable ambient lighting
- Matrix Headlights instead of the std LED ones
- Traffic Jam Assist (possible VCDS tweak)
- Road Sign Recognition (possible VCDS tweak)

Either way, it's a nice car and I'm looking forward to it. I've just got to complete the sale of another vehicle.

I'm 30 so I guess I might help dampen the old man mentality of Passat owners :P

[adamking]

Drove the Passat back to back with our soon to be sold mkv gti which actually reminded me of driving my original mx5 when we bought the GTI. Each time it's like analogue to digital, the gti felt rough and loud but still great fun. My wife drove the Passat home and assured me the emergency accident brake assist (whatever the acronym is) works very well.


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[adamking]

I'm 30 so I guess I might help dampen the old man mentality of Passat owners :P
I am 35 but I find the best way to cast off this image is by using the 206kw



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[Vexed]

I'm tossing up between the Passat R and the Superb 206... I'm really disappointed with the Passat R options list, which is one item, the sunroof... The Superb has the ventilated seats, and premium audio, but lacks the lcd cluster...
Btw, how does the Colombus unit compare to the Discover Pro? Are they the same thing?

[Wynnston]

The Passat looks better than the Superb and oddly enough there's a shorter waitlist and more negotiation power on the Passat.

I am biased though, expecting delivery of mine next month

I'm about to order one from OPVW. Was the discount reasonable? What combination did you opt for?

[chopper]

I'm about to order one from OPVW. Was the discount reasonable? What combination did you opt for?

I paid $62,700 for my car (wagon). This included met. paint and sunroof.

Don't pay a cent more!

[adamking]

I'll look up what mine ended up being I had no sunroof but added a towbar, just on $63,000


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[Mysticality]

I'm tossing up between the Passat R and the Superb 206... I'm really disappointed with the Passat R options list, which is one item, the sunroof... The Superb has the ventilated seats, and premium audio, but lacks the lcd cluster...
Btw, how does the Colombus unit compare to the Discover Pro? Are they the same thing?

Columbus and Discover Pro are the same unit; with different names.
The only reason to buy the passat is the LCD cluster and if you like how it looks. Everything else tips towards the Superb. ;)

[Wynnston]

Columbus and Discover Pro are the same unit; with different names.
The only reason to buy the passat is the LCD cluster and if you like how it looks. Everything else tips towards the Superb. ;)

I checked out the Superb and could only compare it to a 2017 1.8 R-Line because we haven't got the 206's in WA yet. It seems that the only feature the Passat has over the Skoda is the dash, but the Skoda has the ventilated seats and a couple of novelty things over the Passat. Overall though, the Passat has a slightly nicer fit and finish inside and exterior looks wise they both are about the same for me. The stigma though is with the Skoda badge. I know Passat's are know to depreciate like lead balloons, but I would hate to see what Skoda's are like int he long term.

In the end I would go for the Passat. I get a little hung up on the badge snobbery and I'm a super nerd so I really would like the LCD instrument cluster.

[Wynnston]

I forgot to ask. Does the Passat have Launch Control? I'm wouldn't intending on using it (at least I don't think), but I would like to understand if it's only 5.5 0-100 because of the LC or if that's without.

[adamking]

Yeah there is a process to engage


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[snala]

Columbus and Discover Pro are the same unit; with different names.
The only reason to buy the passat is the LCD cluster and if you like how it looks. Everything else tips towards the Superb. ;)
Except for the LED lights, better seats, steering wheel and Progressive steering :cool:
Have a read what I wrote 3 pages back which was tipped it for me.

[chopper]

Columbus and Discover Pro are the same unit; with different names.
The only reason to buy the passat is the LCD cluster and if you like how it looks. Everything else tips towards the Superb. ;)

Not biased at all... ? 😀 If you look a few pages back, you'll see why I decided the Passat was the better option over the Superb.


I forgot to ask. Does the Passat have Launch Control? I'm wouldn't intending on using it (at least I don't think), but I would like to understand if it's only 5.5 0-100 because of the LC or if that's without.

Using my very scientific 'seat of the pants and a stopwatch'... it does VERY close to 5.7 (wagon) without the launch control. I'm reckoning it's just over 6 seconds. With the 4Motion, she just grips and goes. I just wish it was louder when doing it!

[Vexed]

Except for the LED lights, better seats, steering wheel and Progressive steering :cool:
Have a read what I wrote 3 pages back which was tipped it for me.

From what I read on the Superb brochure, it has Progressive steering. I actually prefer the Superb seats :)
Anyway, I have made up my mind, I'm buying a fully loaded Superb Sedan today :D

[Dkkl32]

Hey chopper, so you pretty much paid next to nothing (or $10 to be exact) for dealer delivery and other ORC?

[Wynnston]

Not biased at all... ? 😀 If you look a few pages back, you'll see why I decided the Passat was the better option over the Superb.



Using my very scientific 'seat of the pants and a stopwatch'... it does VERY close to 5.7 (wagon) without the launch control. I'm reckoning it's just over 6 seconds. With the 4Motion, she just grips and goes. I just wish it was louder when doing it!

I know the exhaust isn't sporty, but doesn't the thing open some flaps in sport mode to sound a little meatier?

[Wynnston]

All going well, I pick my White Sedan with S/Roof up on Tuesday. I got a reasonable deal. I think they took a hit on trading my Tiguan but softened it by giving me less of a discount. The only dealer fitted stuff I got was tint.

[Vexed]

I know the exhaust isn't sporty, but doesn't the thing open some flaps in sport mode to sound a little meatier?


I think it does... The sales guy at the dealership said that, and demonstrated the difference in exhaust sound between Eco and Sport modes.

[Wynnston]

I think it does... The sales guy at the dealership said that, and demonstrated the difference in exhaust sound between Eco and Sport modes.

Yeah, a bit of googling says it does. I know the Golf R has a louder exhaust, but it also has a fake sound generator for more aural pleasure in the cabin, as where the Passat just has a moderate exhaust without the sound generator.

[chopper]

Hey chopper, so you pretty much paid next to nothing (or $10 to be exact) for dealer delivery and other ORC?

I don't pay those fees (see my previous posts on the topic.)! I had a few other extras fitted, so in reality, I guess I actually paid less than retail.

[Dkkl32]

I don't pay those fees (see my previous posts on the topic.)! I had a few other extras fitted, so in reality, I guess I actually paid less than retail.
Doh! Didn't know that was possible! even having a mates friend in a dealer I couldn't get it that good!

[adamking]

So 800km in these are the worst wheels I have ever cleaned, loving it otherwise


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[adamking]

Yeah, a bit of googling says it does. I know the Golf R has a louder exhaust, but it also has a fake sound generator for more aural pleasure in the cabin, as where the Passat just has a moderate exhaust without the sound generator.

There seems to be a flappy thing in the outside pipe on each side posted a picture a week or so ago


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[chopper]

Doh! Didn't know that was possible! even having a mates friend in a dealer I couldn't get it that good!

What did they sting you for, if you don't mind me asking? My rule is, always, always, always make RRP your drive-away price. The dealer can always absorb the on road costs from their margin! Their profit is generally based on volume... profit on the car is cream to them.


So 800km in these are the worst wheels I have ever cleaned, loving it otherwise

Agreed! I'm glad I'm not the only one. They pressure wash pretty well though.

[snala]

From what I read on the Superb brochure, it has Progressive steering. I actually prefer the Superb seats :)
Anyway, I have made up my mind, I'm buying a fully loaded Superb Sedan today :D
Fair enough. I drove both over here in NZ and Superb didn't have the steering as first corner I took I ended up on the other side of the road. Used to it in the VRS Octavia so when you don't have it it is quite noticeable. VW definitely has it.

[Dkkl32]

What did they sting you for, if you don't mind me asking? My rule is, always, always, always make RRP your drive-away price. The dealer can always absorb the on road costs from their margin! Their profit is generally based on volume... profit on the car is cream to them.


Wagon, met. paint, sunroof for $64.5k

[chopper]

Wagon, met. paint, sunroof for $64.5k

That's OK... I've heard of worse!

[cdonny]

Hey guys, just joined up to say hey hey.

I'm picking up my 206 wagon, white, with the sunroof in about 2 weeks...

So pumped!

[Mr_206]

Hey guys im looking at a Passat 206 sedan, got a price of a $61,500 with sunroof and metalic paint. This is just the corp. pricing discount. What are people negotiating on these driveaway? Is around $57k achievable?

Also I cannot believe this car with all the bells and whistles does not come with DAB+ radio!!! Not happy about that! Its available overseas but not here! Even the Dynoaudio sound system!! Not happy :(

[Dutch77]

With Vic onroads I reckon you'd be doing well at $60k - and anything under $59k would be an end of month quote special.

Re: wheels - if you're looking at a quality coat for the paintwork I'd get them to do the wheels as well. I had Opticoat on my OZ ST LMs and while it was a touch fiddly, all brake dust just wiped straight off.

[Mr_206]

will try for under $60k... see how i go.. not in a rush for the car so can wait!

Whats the avg fuel usage like? How many kms to a tank people getting?

[Mr_206]

Sux we also miss out on head up display! :( Why does VW Aus remove so many features?! Guess they will introduce them when they do a LCI in about 3 yrs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KO976KiKCY4

[chopper]

Hey guys, just joined up to say hey hey.

I'm picking up my 206 wagon, white, with the sunroof in about 2 weeks...

So pumped!

Welcome to the club Mate!


Hey guys im looking at a Passat 206 sedan, got a price of a $61,500 with sunroof and metalic paint. This is just the corp. pricing discount. What are people negotiating on these driveaway? Is around $57k achievable?

Also I cannot believe this car with all the bells and whistles does not come with DAB+ radio!!! Not happy about that! Its available overseas but not here! Even the Dynoaudio sound system!! Not happy :(

I was worried about the lack of DAB and the premium sound system originally... since then, I've discovered two things...

1. With Apple CarPlay... you don't need DAB, just the TuneIn Radio App. You get better service for longer and it uses little data (not an issue for me as I have 20GB per month!). You can also listen to stations you can't receive normally!

2. The 206TSI seems to have better quality speakers than some of the lower models (not sure how!). You'll see my earlier post about my concerns of the audio quality. Now I have the car... and played around with the settings, it's all good! I'm VERY happy. I'll post my EQ settings if you want.


will try for under $60k... see how i go.. not in a rush for the car so can wait!

Whats the avg fuel usage like? How many kms to a tank people getting?

Under $60K with corporate discount should be do-able with a sedan, roof and paint.

Avg. fuel... depends.

First tank... 500kms. I had to see how she goes!

This tank is over 600kms with a 1/4 to go.

[Mr_206]

Thanks for the updates Chopper.

Yep i guess Tune In radio would be a work around!

Yes pls post your EQ settings if you can cheers!

[chopper]

Thanks for the updates Chopper.

Yep i guess Tune In radio would be a work around!

Yes pls post your EQ settings if you can cheers!

After MUCH playing around... I've found this is optimal for the sound (I like it heavy with Bass!).

EDIT - upside down EVERY time. Just save it and rotate it.

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[Wynnston]

Righto. All going well, I pick mine up tomorrow. What are you all doing for run in?

I pretty much drove my Tiguan as I normally would every day and the car is still strong with no oil burn @ 127k kms. The engine is kinda similar so I figured I would do the same, but I'm also keen to hear what other people do.

[SciroccoJ]

Hey guys! Just picked up mine this afternoon! Indium Grey Wagon with sunroof!

Came from a Scirocco then Tiguan 155 Rline and now the 206!

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[chopper]

Righto. All going well, I pick mine up tomorrow. What are you all doing for run in?


I pretty much drove it like I stole it. If it breaks... that's what warranties are for!


Hey guys! Just picked up mine this afternoon! Indium Grey Wagon with sunroof!

Came from a Scirocco then Tiguan 155 Rline and now the 206!

Nice one! I was a Mk.6 GTI to the 206... welcome to the club!

[SciroccoJ]

I pretty much drove it like I stole it. If it breaks... that's what warranties are for!



Nice one! I was a Mk.6 GTI to the 206... welcome to the club!

Thanks Chopper! Once more people has taken delivery, we should organise a morning drive somewhere!

[Mr_206]

Congrats on the pickup! She look very nice! Can i ask what you paid drive away?

Is it true there is 3 silvers to chose from? A light one, the one you chose and one in between?

[wm7503]

ok, counting down the hours..... Finally picking mine up today. Wagon - Night blue with sunroof and towbar...can't wait...

I'll post some pics later.

[SciroccoJ]

Congrats on the pickup! She look very nice! Can i ask what you paid drive away?

Is it true there is 3 silvers to chose from? A light one, the one you chose and one in between?

I paid $62,800 for mine. as per the colour, I think it is only the silver and the grey that I have?

[Wynnston]

Pickup is supposed to be today but thanks to good ole Western Australia, it doesn't exist in the Department of Transport database, so they can't register it. I'd taken the day off to do some errands and pickup the car. Cross fingers that something happens today. I really don't want to bust another day off for nothing.

[Delewin]

Hi Chopper,

Sorry to be the bearer of bad news. Wife decided on Tiguan and not the Passat 206 TSI R-Line. See signature below.

[chopper]

Thanks Chopper! Once more people has taken delivery, we should organise a morning drive somewhere!

Great idea! I've found they're often hard to organise... but if we can pull it off, cool!


ok, counting down the hours..... Finally picking mine up today. Wagon - Night blue with sunroof and towbar...can't wait...

I'll post some pics later.

I'm looking forward to seeing the Night Blue! Welcome to the club!


I paid $62,800 for mine. as per the colour, I think it is only the silver and the grey that I have?

There are two light silver colours... Reflex Silver and Tungsten Silver. My old GTI was Reflex... so I went Tungsten this time. It's more of a pewter colour.


Pickup is supposed to be today but thanks to good ole Western Australia, it doesn't exist in the Department of Transport database, so they can't register it. I'd taken the day off to do some errands and pickup the car. Cross fingers that something happens today. I really don't want to bust another day off for nothing.

I had a similar problem in NSW. It was so new, I couldn't get insurance. Had to get a broker to arrange it because it wasn't on the RTA System. Then... had to wait for rego... it near drove me nuts!


Hi Chopper,

Sorry to be the bearer of bad news. Wife decided on Tiguan and not the Passat 206 TSI R-Line. See signature below.

Bro... if ordered the 206, you'd have it by now. You could have a divorce quicker than that Tiguan...

[Delewin]

Actually Chopper,

I can speak from bitter experience. A Divorce will take longer than the delivery of the Tiguan.

Be happy for me that we also chose the Tungsten Silver.

Enjoy your 206.
David

[Buzy_Robot]

Good to see the Passat forum abuzz! I've enjoyed reading the enthusiastic posts ... so much so I'm taking a 206TSI Passat sedan for a test drive tomorrow afternoon.

Crazy as it sounds I'd be happy to trade in my current B8 140TDI Highline sedan with R-Line and Luxury Pack at 7 months of age and 18,000 kms for a 206TSI sedan (without sunroof) ... if the price is right.

What do you guys reckon I should aim for with changeover?

Will post again tomorrow night with an update. Cheers!

[Dkkl32]

Hey guys! Just picked up mine this afternoon! Indium Grey Wagon with sunroof!


Nice! Especially the matching license plate.
How long did you have to wait for stock? I still haven't received a date or details from the dealer as yet...

Which dealer is that if you dont mind saying?

[chopper]

Actually Chopper,


I can speak from bitter experience. A Divorce will take longer than the delivery of the Tiguan.


Be happy for me that we also chose the Tungsten Silver.


All good David... you have a great taste in colour! :wink:


Good to see the Passat forum abuzz! I've enjoyed reading the enthusiastic posts ... so much so I'm taking a 206TSI Passat sedan for a test drive tomorrow afternoon.

Crazy as it sounds I'd be happy to trade in my current B8 140TDI Highline sedan with R-Line and Luxury Pack at 7 months of age and 18,000 kms for a 206TSI sedan (without sunroof) ... if the price is right.

What do you guys reckon I should aim for with changeover?

Will post again tomorrow night with an update. Cheers!

I couldn't even hazard a guess! I'd say you'll take a fair haircut on it though.

[Delewin]

Wow!!

Praise from Chopper is praise indeed.

I am truly appreciative.

:wink:

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[SciroccoJ]

Nice! Especially the matching license plate.
How long did you have to wait for stock? I still haven't received a date or details from the dealer as yet...

Which dealer is that if you dont mind saying?

I have waited 3 weeks for this ... They have secured the car on 27th Oct and it arrived australia on 30th Oct. Custom and compliance took around 2 weeks and it trucks down from brissy to Sydney last week.

I PM you for the dealer and contact.

[wm7503]

ok, counting down the hours..... Finally picking mine up today. Wagon - Night blue with sunroof and towbar...can't wait...

I'll post some pics later.
OK here she is. A very happy chap :smile:............Goes just as I had hoped (Quick - Very quick). Some pics for the team...

Thanks for all the tips and reviews Chopper. Helped me choose the right machine....


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[chopper]

OK here she is. A very happy chap :smile:............Goes just as I had hoped (Quick - Very quick). Some pics for the team...

Thanks for all the tips and reviews Chopper. Helped me choose the right machine....


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Well done Mate... she looks fantastic! I love the colour. I always buy light coloured cars now, but only because of the temperatures living out west. I miss having dark, rich colours like this in my garage!

The first time you get away from the traffic lights and you expect some wheel chirp, because that's what you expect from your old car... but she just grips and goes, it will put the biggest smile on your face! You'll also do it every time after that. I look forward to being the first to a red light now... :smile:

[SciroccoJ]

OK here she is. A very happy chap :smile:............Goes just as I had hoped (Quick - Very quick). Some pics for the team...

Thanks for all the tips and reviews Chopper. Helped me choose the right machine....


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Well done mate!!! She looks awesome!!!!

[SciroccoJ]

Well done Mate... she looks fantastic! I love the colour. I always buy light coloured cars now, but only because of the temperatures living out west. I miss having dark, rich colours like this in my garage!

The first time you get away from the traffic lights and you expect some wheel chirp, because that's what you expect from your old car... but she just grips and goes, it will put the biggest smile on your face! You'll also do it every time after that. I look forward to being the first to a red light now... :smile:

Absolutely agree... she actually reminds me the first time that I drove my Scirocco, but a grow up version of it! I couldn't wipe that smirk off my face when I was driving it on Monday. Cant wait to have her back tonight!!!!!!!!!

[chopper]

Absolutely agree... she actually reminds me the first time that I drove my Scirocco, but a grow up version of it! I couldn't wipe that smirk off my face when I was driving it on Monday. Cant wait to have her back tonight!!!!!!!!!

I've just come back from a quick blat... one month in and she's still awesome!

I've just put the three kids to bed...
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[Mr_206]

Congrats looks lovely!!

[Wynnston]

Still waiting for the licensing department in WA to add the proper stuff to their system so the dealership can register it. It seems that the Western Australia Department of Transport is a little behind. I'm guessing no one else in WA has taken delivery?

[Buzy_Robot]

Took a 206TSI Passat wagon for a test drive and came away suitably impressed. As expected, the engine is smooth, response and a most willing unit. In every day driving it isn't dramatically better than the 140TDI Highline, but does leave the diesel feeling somewhat sluggish in comparison when really pushed.

However, there is a marked difference in ride quality. Whereas the 140TDI Highline can thump and crash over bumps, the 206TSI soaks up road irregularities with ease. Perhaps Chopper's previous comment that the 206TSI rides slightly higher than Highline and Comfortline with R-Line pack giving it more suspension travel and hence the ability to cope better with our roads is the reason? Not sure, but the ride quality was a pleasant surprise, to be sure. I am hoping the ride quality I experienced in the 206TSI wagon is just as good in the 206TSI sedan.

Unfortunately, I went for a drive late after work and will have to wait until tomorrow for a valuation on my existing 140TDI Highline sedan. I'm hoping the changeover price is favorable because the 206TSI is a mighty fine vehicle. Fingers crossed!

[chopper]

Took a 206TSI Passat wagon for a test drive and came away suitably impressed. As expected, the engine is smooth, response and a most willing unit. In every day driving it isn't dramatically better than the 140TDI Highline, but does leave the diesel feeling somewhat sluggish in comparison when really pushed.

However, there is a marked difference in ride quality. Whereas the 140TDI Highline can thump and crash over bumps, the 206TSI soaks up road irregularities with ease. Perhaps Chopper's previous comment that the 206TSI rides slightly higher than Highline and Comfortline with R-Line pack giving it more suspension travel and hence the ability to cope better with our roads is the reason? Not sure, but the ride quality was a pleasant surprise, to be sure. I am hoping the ride quality I experienced in the 206TSI wagon is just as good in the 206TSI sedan.

Unfortunately, I went for a drive late after work and will have to wait until tomorrow for a valuation on my existing 140TDI Highline sedan. I'm hoping the changeover price is favorable because the 206TSI is a mighty fine vehicle. Fingers crossed!

If you don't have the R-Line package, I'd say it's just the fact the 206TSI has the ACC fitted, as the suspension travel is the same. This doesn't surprise me though, as the ACC makes a huge difference to the feel of the car (in my opinion). If you do have the R-Line package fitted, it should be like riding on a supportive could in comparison! :smile:

I'm looking to hearing what the changeover is. I wouldn't think it should be more than about $20,000 (assuming your Highline has the Lux. and R-Line packs!). Any more than that, it's probably not worth it!

[age7875]

I'm about to pull the trigger on a 206TSI Wagon. I'm currently driving a Black R36 sedan.

A few questions:

-How is the moonroof? Does anyone have any experience with one in the Passat? Does it get too hot?

-Any opinions on what colour the Passat wagon looks best in? I'm tossing up between white or grey.








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[SciroccoJ]

Just got it back from my detailer .... Tony from Klasse Detailing. Got paint correction done, Carpro Cquartz Finest for all paint work and window plus wheel! It looks the business now!!! (will do a report on another thread later on with video)
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[chopper]

I'm about to pull the trigger on a 206TSI Wagon. I'm currently driving a Black R36 sedan.

A few questions:

-How is the moonroof? Does anyone have any experience with one in the Passat? Does it get too hot?

-Any opinions on what colour the Passat wagon looks best in? I'm tossing up between white or grey.

I got my roof tinted... to try and reject as much heat as I could in summer. Over the past few hot days, it's been OK. If it gets unbearable (I can usually park in shade wherever I go), I intend to use a product called Kingspan Aircell (it's a housing insulation product), cut to shape and inserted between the glass and blind during summer. Should fix the problem.

Colour is purely subjective. Don't let anyone tell you what is the better colour... that's your choice! Personally, if I didn't get the Tungsten Silver (I only buy light coloured cars)... I'd probably have purchased White or Reflex Silver. White is $700 cheaper. Any colour looks good...

[chopper]

Just got it back from my detailer .... Tony from Klasse Detailing. Got paint correction done, Carpro Cquartz Finest for all paint work and window plus wheel! It looks the business now!!! (will do a report on another thread later on with video)

Just curious... what does it cost for that stuff? I've never bothered with paint protection or any of the aftermarket products... we usually turn around our cars pretty quickly so I never saw the value. But... your car looks the ducks guts now! :smile:

I'm looking forward to the video! You should throw it on YouTube as well... there's a distinct lack of 206TSI video reviews on there!!!

[SciroccoJ]

Just curious... what does it cost for that stuff? I've never bothered with paint protection or any of the aftermarket products... we usually turn around our cars pretty quickly so I never saw the value. But... your car looks the ducks guts now! :smile:

I'm looking forward to the video! You should throw it on YouTube as well... there's a distinct lack of 206TSI video reviews on there!!!

I am not a fan about it with my previous cars as I kept my cars for a max of 2 years normally ... but I am thinking to keep the 206 for a longer term, so better protect it with some goodie. another thing is life is getting a lot busier, less and less time for me to look after my cars like I used to, my Tiguan's paintwork was at a disgrace status after 20 months of ownership ... so yeah..... :?

It will normally cost $880 for the coating (paint work), and $250 for wheels and windows.

[SciroccoJ]

https://vimeo.com/192849303

Hope this works.......


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[wm7503]

https://vimeo.com/192849303

Hope this works.......


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looks great!!!!

happy driving.

[chopper]

https://vimeo.com/192849303

Hope this works.......

I'm looking forward to seeing a full video review soon! :wink:

[Buzy_Robot]

I'm looking to hearing what the changeover is. I wouldn't think it should be more than about $20,000 (assuming your Highline has the Lux. and R-Line packs!). Any more than that, it's probably not worth it!

Mate, got the call from the dealer and was quoted a $29,000 changeover.

For my MY16 140TDI Highline sedan with R-Line pack and Luxury Pack at 7 months of age with slightly less than 18,000 kms they are offering me $34,000. Mind you, I paid $55,000 for it, so that means a depreciation hit of $21,000 in 7 months. I expect depreciation, but not by that much.

Total purchase price for the 206TSI Passat sedan being $34,000 + $29,000 equals $63,000. So, they are expecting me to pretty much pay full retail price for it.

I quoted VW website price of $63,295 but was told dealer fees vary between dealers and that it's about $64,000 at this particular dealer. So, hike up the dealer fees and make it look like I'm been given a $1,000 discount. Was also given the argument that the 206TSI is a new model and pretty rare, so dealers are not really willing to offer any substantial discounts.

I have bought 5 Passats from this dealership in as many years and always been given the very best possible changeover price by the sales team. No need for haggling, really looked after me and cultivated my loyalty. Now there's a new team ... need I say more?

I can tell you it won't be a $20,000 changeover, but there's no way I'll be paying for a $29,000 changeover!

Business is business, so I need to keep emotion out of it. As it stands, they will get back to me tomorrow with another offer.

[chopper]

Mate, got the call from the dealer and was quoted a $29,000 changeover.

For my MY16 140TDI Highline sedan with R-Line pack and Luxury Pack at 7 months of age with slightly less than 18,000 kms they are offering me $34,000. Mind you, I paid $55,000 for it, so that means a depreciation hit of $21,000 in 7 months. I expect depreciation, but not by that much.

Total purchase price for the 206TSI Passat sedan being $34,000 + $29,000 equals $63,000. So, they are expecting me to pretty much pay full retail price for it.

I quoted VW website price of $63,295 but was told dealer fees vary between dealers and that it's about $64,000 at this particular dealer. So, hike up the dealer fees and make it look like I'm been given a $1,000 discount. Was also given the argument that the 206TSI is a new model and pretty rare, so dealers are not really willing to offer any substantial discounts.

I have bought 5 Passats from this dealership in as many years and always been given the very best possible changeover price by the sales team. No need for haggling, really looked after me and cultivated my loyalty. Now there's a new team ... need I say more?

I can tell you it won't be a $20,000 changeover, but there's no way I'll be paying for a $29,000 changeover!

Business is business, so I need to keep emotion out of it. As it stands, they will get back to me tomorrow with another offer.

Sorry Mate... that's bollocks! Your car would be back on their lot the very next day for $40,000+.

Say there's a $6,000 difference between a 140TDI Highline (with all packages) and a 206TSI (with roof) - allowing for the spec changes between MY16 & MY17 (digital display but smaller 18" with the R-Line etc.)... that's actually a $23,000 depreciation hit! I agree, 42% in 7 months is excessive!!!

With that trade offer, you'd want to pay no more than about $60,700 for the car (with roof and paint)... and push for better!

[Buzy_Robot]

Sorry Mate... that's bollocks! Your car would be back on their lot the very next day for $40,000+.

Say there's a $6,000 difference between a 140TDI Highline (with all packages) and a 206TSI (with roof) - allowing for the spec changes between MY16 & MY17 (digital display but smaller 18" with the R-Line etc.)... that's actually a $23,000 depreciation hit! I agree, 42% in 7 months is excessive!!!

With that trade offer, you'd want to pay no more than about $60,700 for the car (with roof and paint)... and push for better!

Indeed! And I'm not even looking for sunroof or metallic paint. A white 206TSI sedan with no options is what I'm after. Stay tuned!