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  1. Interesting article, and I think the author makes...

    Interesting article, and I think the author makes a good comparison with the mentality that led to the Challenger disaster.

    I think a large part of this scandal comes down to corporate ego. The...
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    Damn! I guess I need to drop the price on mine. :(

    Damn! I guess I need to drop the price on mine. :(
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    They call it a warranty, but it's really an...

    They call it a warranty, but it's really an insurance policy - with an insurance company.

    Think of it in terms of insurance. If you write off your car (your fault or not) the insurance policy...
  4. I don't see buy-back as a likely outcome. I,...

    I don't see buy-back as a likely outcome.

    I, personally, have no doubt that Volkswagen have committed fraud - others disagree. In my opinion, the major fraud was against the approvals...
  5. I went looking for the numbers again. In my...

    I went looking for the numbers again.

    In my case, I believe my MY12 Mk6 GTD is expected to meet Euro 4 limits, which (for NOx) is 250mg/km. Euro 5 is 180mg/km, Euro 6 is 80mg/km. ...
  6. It gives me something to do when I'm not causing...

    It gives me something to do when I'm not causing respiratory problems in children.
  7. How does it perform in the standard laboratory...

    How does it perform in the standard laboratory emissions test?



    I agree 100%. I think more EGR will cause more clogging of the DPF, hence burns will be required more frequently. In only...
  8. This is a discussion forum for VW owners. We are...

    This is a discussion forum for VW owners. We are VW owners discussing our cars. If you don't like the discussion, don't read it.
  9. I am concerned about the fuel economy, and I have...

    I am concerned about the fuel economy, and I have no doubt that they will publish figures showing that fuel economy is unchanged.

    This will be under laboratory test conditions, which is when the...
  10. It's not solely about economic loss. This is a...

    It's not solely about economic loss. This is a misrepresentation case.

    If the misrepresentation were innocent i.e. Volkswagen had no idea about this "cheat device" then owners would be entitled...
  11. You really don't understand the argument you're...

    You really don't understand the argument you're in. You're still buried in (diesel) fuel economy & CO2 emissions, which are all but inextricably linked. Burn more diesel, emit more CO2....
  12. Isn't this a discussion forum? Isn't it for...

    Isn't this a discussion forum? Isn't it for discussing Volkswagen?

    If what is being discussed here makes you uncomfortable perhaps you should stop reading, rather than trying to shut down the...
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    What's that, doing things legitimately? :lol:

    What's that, doing things legitimately? :lol:
  14. I don't think it needs a different map. From...

    I don't think it needs a different map.

    From the page linked above:



    As I've posted before, I believe EGR will be a significant part of this "cheat", as EGR exists to reduce NOx, and NOx...
  15. Yes, they can disable the EGR, and ignore...

    Yes, they can disable the EGR, and ignore regenerating the NOx trap (if there is one on these?)



    Yes, there is. But you've amply demonstrated that you refuse to understand that.



    You're...
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    That's a north-south installation - so does that...

    That's a north-south installation - so does that use adblue?
  17. It's the same test. They don't run a separate...

    It's the same test. They don't run a separate test for fuel consumption. While testing emissions they measure what comes out of the exhaust pipe - with modern white-man magic, they derive from the...
  18. He's very specific there. The official economy...

    He's very specific there. The official economy figures, as calculated during the emissions tests, will be achieved - during the testing.

    Meanwhile, in the real world, the excellent economy we've...
  19. I think he means less power / less economy. I...

    I think he means less power / less economy. I think he'll be OK.

    AFAIK, at max power, emissions controls are effectively bypassed anyway, so VAG should be able to maintain the max power on the...
  20. http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/impo...

    http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2015/10/62699725-2.jpg
  21. The engines are fully capable of meeting the...

    The engines are fully capable of meeting the emissions requirements in the test laboratory, but they're disabling / altering the emissions controls when they're not in a test laboratory - presumably...
  22. I would argue misrepresentation...

    I would argue misrepresentation by Volkswagen, for which you would be entitled to rescind the contract. This would mean you have the right to walk away, not to re-negotiate. Any attempt to...
  23. Another description of the events leading up to...

    Another description of the events leading up to the eruption of this scandal:

    From Italy to California, Volkswagen scandal was eight years in the making | The Sacramento Bee

    I've read quite a...
  24. It's called "misrepresentation". When we...

    It's called "misrepresentation".

    When we bought our diesel VAG vehicles they were both economical, and (reasonably) good on emissions in general.

    Now the world knows that they're not so good on...
  25. Initially, this was my response (and I still lean...

    Initially, this was my response (and I still lean heavily this way).

    But a comment on another forum got me thinking - if the company will go this far to actively cheat, can you really trust them...
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