Volkswagen under investigation over illegal software that masks pollution

[FastMitch]

"estimate that this would affect as many as 200,000 cars, some only three or four years old, with some exceptions, including for tradesmen."

A court ordered ban of 200K cars in one city is not just a headline. Maybe you will get the direction of where this is heading from:

"Paris, Madrid, Mexico City and Athens have said they plan to ban diesel vehicles from city centres by 2025, while the mayor of Copenhagen wants to ban new diesel cars from entering the city as soon as next year."

"The ban would affect about a quarter of cars registered in Frankfurt and numerous commuters who live around the city."

The court ruled that Frankfurt must ban from next February diesel cars that meet Euro-4 and older emission standards, and petrol cars that meet Euro-1 and 2 standards, while Euro-5 diesels must be banned from next September.

The city of Hamburg this year voluntarily blocked diesel models that fail to meet the latest Euro-6 emissions standards from using selected trunk roads. Other cities including Aachen, Duesseldorf and Stuttgart, home to Daimler and Porsche (VOWG_p.DE), are also considering bans.

[doc_777]

And I think you are reading the big numbers of older vehicles that are being affected, and losing sight of the fact that newer vehicles are not. Each to their own.

its no secret that older model diesel engined vehicles pump out noxious gasses in huge amounts. I see this as a good thing to encourage the take up of newer models with cleaner emissions. After all...we ARE talking about the air we need to breathe to survive.

that your opinions may vary doesn’t concern me, i’m responding to a thread with my opinion it’s okay for us to differ.

[Ozsko]

And I think you are reading the big numbers of older vehicles that are being affected, and losing sight of the fact that newer vehicles are not. Each to their own.

its no secret that older model diesel engined vehicles pump out noxious gasses in huge amounts. I see this as a good thing to encourage the take up of newer models with cleaner emissions. After all...we ARE talking about the air we need to breathe to survive.

that your opinions may vary doesn’t concern me, i’m responding to a thread with my opinion it’s okay for us to differ.

"Paris, Madrid, Mexico City and Athens have said they plan to ban diesel vehicles from city centres by 2025, while the mayor of Copenhagen wants to ban new diesel cars from entering the city as soon as next year."

Am I misinterpreting this because that does not sound like older cars to me.

[tigger73]

You’re missing the point. They’re also looking to ban older petrol cars too. It’s basically going to force everyone to upgrade the older “polluting” technologies to newer cleaner options.

They already do this in countries like Japan and Singapore. You don’t see an old car on the road in these places. It’s great for the vehicle manufacturers too as it forces people to upgrade.

The old cars end up in places like NZ that allow these into the country.


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[doc_777]

"Paris, Madrid, Mexico City and Athens have said they plan to ban diesel vehicles from city centres by 2025, while the mayor of Copenhagen wants to ban new diesel cars from entering the city as soon as next year."

Am I misinterpreting this because that does not sound like older cars to me.

youre quoting a headline - not actual policy. Until there is implemented policy, it’s kinda hard to know.

the devil is in the detail

[Dutch77]

Seems legit.

[drivesafe]

There is a problem caused by these headlines. In the UK, Land Rover is in trouble and finding it hard to sell their crap, and part of the reason they are putting forward, is that there is a down turn in demand for their diesel power vehicles, which is all of them.

It may only be headlines at this time, but it has an effect on what people think they should be buying and what they should avoid.

[FastMitch]

Looks like Hamburg and Oslo is leading the world to ban Diesels

List of countries banning fossil fuel vehicles - Wikipedia

City or Territory	Country	Ban announced	Ban commences	Scope	Selectivity
Athens	Greece	2016	2025[39]	Diesel	All vehicles
Auckland	New Zealand	2017	2030[40]	Gasoline or Diesel	All vehicles, Electric Buses by 2025
Barcelona	Spain	2017	2030[41]	Gasoline or Diesel	All vehicles, Electric Buses by 2025
Brussels	Belgium	2018	2025[42]	Gasoline or Diesel	All vehicles
Cape Town	South Africa	2017	2030[43]	Gasoline or Diesel	All vehicles, Electric Buses by 2025
Copenhagen	Denmark	2017	2030[44]	Gasoline or Diesel	All vehicles, Electric Buses by 2025
Delhi	India	2014	Ongoing[45]	Diesel	All vehicles
Hamburg	Germany	2018	2018[46]	Diesel	All vehicles
Heidelberg	Germany	2017	2030[47]	Gasoline or Diesel	All vehicles, Electric Buses by 2025
London	England	2017	2030[48]	Gasoline or Diesel	All vehicles, Electric Buses by 2025
Los Angeles	United States	2017	2030[49]	Gasoline or Diesel	All vehicles, Electric Buses by 2025
Madrid	Spain	2016	2025[50]	Diesel	All vehicles
Milan	Italy	2017	2030[51]	Gasoline or Diesel	All vehicles, Electric Buses by 2025
Mexico City	Mexico	2016	2025[52]	Diesel	All vehicles
Oslo	Norway	2016	2019[53]	Gasoline and Diesel	All vehicles

The issue is diesel sales have dropped 20% in the UK/EU and LR make 90% diesel 4wds , throw in their major export market China is slowing and you loose sales.

Your right about the UK

Half UK motorists want diesels gone from the roads

https://www.express.co.uk/life-style...ban-UK-drivers

[tigger73]

So is this still active ?

No everyone has moved on.

A few people lost their jobs.

VW is still trying to recover financially.


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[Dutch77]

The poor horse is still copping it!