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    DSG & neutral with handbrake

    I've done a bit of searching around for answers to the following question, but no one seems to have the definitive answer.

    So, often sitting at longer traffic lights, I slip my car into neutral and put the handbrake on. Mainly because I'm lazy and don't want to have to sit pressing the brake pedal. And from many years of driving a manual where more pressure is needed to keep the clutch disengaged. Plus it's an easy way to bypass the auto stop/start feature
    BTW, I'm not talking about coasting in neutral down the road or anything like that. A lot of the answers to this question seem to be based on that scenario.

    I know I can't leave the car in D like a normal auto with a torque converter because otherwise the clutch is engaged.

    But I'd like to know what is happening inside the gearbox during this scenario.
    Does the DSG have a gearset position where nothing is engaged? On a manual under the same scenario, all of the synchros are disengaged so the input shaft is still spinning because the clutch is engaged, but is it the same?
    Or is there some other trickery happening?

    I would like to know so that I know whether I'm going to be wearing something out inside the gearbox in the long term.
    I will change my habit if I have to, but would prefer not.

    Sorry if this confusing. Trying to avoid answers that are not quite based on the scenario I've said like many of the answers I've seen.

    BTW, vehicle is a 2015 Skoda Octavia Scout
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    Last edited by wagonist; 26-07-2021 at 12:29 AM.

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    Why dont you just use auto hold
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    Don't you have to be facing uphill for that to work? What about downhill or on the flat?

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    Works anywhere probably even upside down LOL

    What does your manual say

    Wont be able to try it atm anyway will you
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    As I understand it, the gearbox drops into neutral when the car is held on the brake, and it's only when you release the footbrake pressure is a gear engaged. The information I have seen says to hold it like a normal toque converter gearbox. BTW don't allow it to creep forward in traffic unless absolutely necessary, as that is similar to engaging and disengaging the clutch in a manual gearbox. Cheers-John

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    I pop my car into neutral when ever im at traffic lights or stopped for any longer than about 10-15 seconds. I do this with the DSG in my Mk7 GTI and also the 8 speed auto in my SQ5.

    It makes for a smoother idle and I dont need to have the brakes pressed as hard to hold the car stationary.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Suncoaster View Post
    As I understand it, the gearbox drops into neutral when the car is held on the brake, and it's only when you release the footbrake pressure is a gear engaged. The information I have seen says to hold it like a normal toque converter gearbox. BTW don't allow it to creep forward in traffic unless absolutely necessary, as that is similar to engaging and disengaging the clutch in a manual gearbox. Cheers-John
    The auto hold keeps the brakes applied at the pressure you apply them until you touch the accelerator again so if you have it turned on it will hold the car in position anywhere.

    To be exact in a DSG box it is always in a gear but the clutches are disengaged so that depending on whether you accelerate or decelerate is which clutch engages
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    Essentially its like having your manual transmission car in 1st gear but with your foot pushed down on the clutch pedal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hillbilly View Post
    The auto hold keeps the brakes applied at the pressure you apply them until you touch the accelerator again so if you have it turned on it will hold the car in position anywhere.

    To be exact in a DSG box it is always in a gear but the clutches are disengaged so that depending on whether you accelerate or decelerate is which clutch engages
    I'll have to check where the settings are. I know it will do it uphill, but the lights where I leave my office are on a downward slope and take a while as it's just a driveway entrance off a major road. But I'm pretty if I just take my foot off the brake and it's in gear, it'll start to move off if it can.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lucas_R View Post
    I pop my car into neutral when ever im at traffic lights or stopped for any longer than about 10-15 seconds. I do this with the DSG in my Mk7 GTI and also the 8 speed auto in my SQ5.

    It makes for a smoother idle and I dont need to have the brakes pressed as hard to hold the car stationary.

    This is what I'm doing, but wondering what's actually happening with the gearset inside the transmission.
    ie is there a synchromesh system a bit like a manual, or is neutral a setting where both clutches are disengaged, or something else?

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