Diesel Prices today wtf??? 30c dearer than regular ULP

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Originally Posted by gldgti

on the fuel price side, to the hatred of everyone, i know, i will say this: its about bloody time. we've been paying too little for fuel (and energy), for a very, very long time. now, we get the reality check. bring on the efficiency revolution i say.

- and yes, i pay my own bills.

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Got to agree with you there. It had to happen eventually and its happening in our lifetime. The big crunch will not be us filling our tanks (though that hurts) but the knock on effects with bulk transport and the cost of living.

It will be interesting to see if the "inefficient" vehicles disappear off our roads. I doubt it. :(

If they do, and people start to plan their trips, car pool, use public transport, walk to the train station...etc, (I know not all of us have the option) perhaps local demand will decline? After all we live in a market driven economy - supply/demand rule still applies.

I just plan my trips more carefully and factor fuel cost into every trip now. No different when using the telephone: mobile or land line or waiting if you can email (cheapest). ;)

Did I mention I'm tight? :rolleyes:

PS Still love my Kombi Beach TDI. :)

Im pretty disgusted with the current company car tax rules, where it actually lowers your tax bill the more km you do.

U basically get rewarded for polluting the environment.

I used to work at a company where people who were short of km's on their company vehicle would do things like drive to Brisbane instead of flying just to lower their liability. And all to often i heard the phrase "I don't give a f**k i don't pay fuel anyway"

things like this should be reconsidered and go to a model like in the uk where it is based on the co2 emissions of your car and km is unrelated.

Holden and Ford would be up in arms though for any changes like that.

Guys can someone please explain to me why when the Tapas price goes up the prices at the pump go up almost immediately, yet when the price comes down it can takes weeks to be reflected at the pump :?

Profit. It's always about the money.

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Originally Posted by tezza

Guys can someone please explain to me why when the Tapas price goes up the prices at the pump go up almost immediately, yet when the price comes down it can takes weeks to be reflected at the pump :?

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This happens because consumers have not "teeth" to prevent it. It's the same with rises/falls in interest rates. The RBA announces a rise in the cash rate and a few days later you're paying for it. When they announce a fall, it's weeks before you feel any benefit. I'm not entirely sure of why the Tapis price is always substantially higher than the New York spot price, but it's probably something to do with local supply and demand. Anybody know :???:

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Originally Posted by origin

BIO-100 <--- cost our food supply high.....:rolleyes:

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all the biodiesel made in australia is made from waste veggie oil, not purpose grown crops.

its a different story for ethanol though.... despite the enormous potential for waste derived ethanol, almost all of the ethanol used in fuel here is derived directly from sugar cain.

all of our landfills and organic waste disposal depots should be used for collection of methane (natural gas) and reprocessing organic solids into ethanol. there are a few plants being built that do this - i think theres a waste grain into ethanol plant being built near Warren, NSW.

to make biodiesel, they even use old sump oil.... so i cant see how making biodiesel could create a social or environmental problem here, since all of it is made from an already waste product.

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Originally Posted by mr.damage

This is no real problem if you use quality bio with a low tallow content and take a few simple precautions. In winter i keep a small jar of bio in the shed next to the car and on very cold mornings check it to see if it has gone cloudy it only did it one day last winter and it was -3 that morning . all i had to do was give the glow plugs 2 cycles and it started all be it a bit harder than normal then let it idle for a few mins b4 taking off.
If I know we are in for a cold burst of nights near 1 deg i put $5 of normal diesel in per tank of bio and have no starting problems at all.

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In my past employment, I had experience with diesel-powered mining and construction equipment which was hired to customers. I can always remember a large portable diesel air compressor which was shipped to the Snowy Mountains in the middle of winter with a tank full of non-alpine blend diesel. The operator checked the fuel before the first start of the engine in the morning and seeing the fuel was clear with no trace of wax, turned the glow plugs on for a few minutes then hit the starter - a few stutters then nothing. The operator then proceeded to flatten the battery trying to start the engine. When our service technician stripped the fuel injection system, there was liquid fuel on the intake side of the injection pump and a solid gel in the high pressure discharge lines - these had to be removed and heated with a gas torch to melt the gel as the daytime temperature was not sufficient. The heating could not be done "in situ" as other components would be damaged by the torch.

The problem was caused by the cold fuel "gelling" when it was pressurised. This is the reason why diesel vehicles sold in cold climates are supplied with fuel heaters as standard notwithstanding the fact "alpine blend" diesel is standard supply from retail outlets.

You have been lucky with your experience so far.

SS

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Originally Posted by vmq6695

Nonsense! Much of the biodiesel made in Aus is made from slaughterhouse waste - fats and oils from dead cows, pigs, sheep etc.

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You can have dead cow on your seats, *and* in your tank! :D

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Originally Posted by steve_tdi

Im pretty disgusted with the current company car tax rules, where it actually lowers your tax bill the more km you do.

U basically get rewarded for polluting the environment.

I used to work at a company where people who were short of km's on their company vehicle would do things like drive to Brisbane instead of flying just to lower their liability. And all to often i heard the phrase "I don't give a f**k i don't pay fuel anyway"

things like this should be reconsidered and go to a model like in the uk where it is based on the co2 emissions of your car and km is unrelated.

Holden and Ford would be up in arms though for any changes like that.

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I'm with you on that one. I am surprised the FBT laws on company cars have lasted this long. Last year I pushed to do 25,000 km. Funny thing is I worked out that if I only do 15,000 km in a year, the additional tax liability is roughly offset by the reduction in running costs! So basically these people that bust a gut doing many excess kms are living in a fool's paradise.

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Originally Posted by vmq6695

Nonsense! Much of the biodiesel made in Aus is made from slaughterhouse waste - fats and oils from dead cows, pigs, sheep etc.

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ahh yes, that too..... i should've just said waste oil, not waste veggie oil.... sorry :-)