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    Going for as many as they can get out of it, I have seen them get 360 kw at the wheels also seen they got 415 kw on one manual golf, So told them I want what ever they can get out of it I want to run into the 10's

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    Quote Originally Posted by BO11OS View Post
    Going for as many as they can get out of it, I have seen them get 360 kw at the wheels also seen they got 415 kw on one manual golf, So told them I want what ever they can get out of it I want to run into the 10's

    fair enough. u building the engine?

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    No standard engine with with all bolt on's.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BO11OS View Post
    No standard engine with with all bolt on's.
    the ea888 is capable of alot of power 600+ HP if your tuner limits the torque not to blow the engine... if u want big torque which might be needed after u do ur stage 3 ur gonna need to build ur engine and clutchpacks then..


    i wouldnt be spending any money on upgraded clutch packs or whatever u dont need it unless u burn urs which u probably wont


    Source urself a pair of 2nd hand bigger brakes off a porsche or audi

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    Quote Originally Posted by amunra View Post
    the ea888 is capable of alot of power 600+ HP if your tuner limits the torque not to blow the engine... if u want big torque which might be needed after u do ur stage 3 ur gonna need to build ur engine and clutchpacks then..


    i wouldnt be spending any money on upgraded clutch packs or whatever u dont need it unless u burn urs which u probably wont


    Source urself a pair of 2nd hand bigger brakes off a porsche or audi

    Interesting... 600HP+ (447kW+) would be impressive.

    The Stage 3 bolt-on pathway I'm following reliably does 365kW (590Nm) - apparently it has a higher ceiling, but needs some engine strengthening to avoid breaking things: Stage 3 Turbo Kit for Golf R, Audi S3, Cupra, GTI | RacingLine

    It "requires" a new clutch-pack (rated to 700Nm), but I was told to do that upgrade if/when the OEM clutches wears.

    Just had another look at they tested a 2014 Golf R and got 0-100 in 2.9s and 400m in 10.92s - understanding that an Arteon is a heavier beast... makes me want to explore weight saving options ;-P

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    Quote Originally Posted by nermal View Post
    Interesting... 600HP+ (447kW+) would be impressive.

    The Stage 3 bolt-on pathway I'm following reliably does 365kW (590Nm) - apparently it has a higher ceiling, but needs some engine strengthening to avoid breaking things: Stage 3 Turbo Kit for Golf R, Audi S3, Cupra, GTI | RacingLine

    It "requires" a new clutch-pack (rated to 700Nm), but I was told to do that upgrade if/when the OEM clutches wears.
    only need to upgrade the engine internals if ur going beyond the stock engines torque threshold on the map... otherwise if u keep the torque lower in the tune or have engine management installed keeps it good.

    theres enough 550 - 600 - 700hp ea888s showing it can be done on stock internals and 6speed gearboxes. if u have the 7 speed DSG it should be stronger than the 6 speed and only need to upgrade the clutches as u burn them or are doing many launches / drag meets.

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    Did you see if these power number are on 98 pump fuel or E85?
    The tuner I am using is getting the numbers + you quoted but uses his own flex fuel setup. They just re wrote the GTI world record with a 9.9 @ 119, they also ran a 10.07 @140 HE isn't saying how much power it has only that it's over 400kw.


    Quote Originally Posted by nermal View Post
    Interesting... 600HP+ (447kW+) would be impressive.

    The Stage 3 bolt-on pathway I'm following reliably does 365kW (590Nm) - apparently it has a higher ceiling, but needs some engine strengthening to avoid breaking things: Stage 3 Turbo Kit for Golf R, Audi S3, Cupra, GTI | RacingLine

    It "requires" a new clutch-pack (rated to 700Nm), but I was told to do that upgrade if/when the OEM clutches wears.

    Just had another look at they tested a 2014 Golf R and got 0-100 in 2.9s and 400m in 10.92s - understanding that an Arteon is a heavier beast... makes me want to explore weight saving options ;-P

    Stage 1 vs stage 2 - cost, gains-chart-png

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    Quote Originally Posted by BO11OS View Post
    Did you see if these power number are on 98 pump fuel or E85?
    The tuner I am using is getting the numbers + you quoted but uses his own flex fuel setup. They just re wrote the GTI world record with a 9.9 @ 119, they also ran a 10.07 @140 HE isn't saying how much power it has only that it's over 400kw.
    I'm not sure, but would assume 98 ron.. here's their blog post: Release: Racingline MQB 2.0TSI Stage 3 - Harding Performance

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    Hi nermal, I am sceptical as from what I have seen to achieve those sort of number you'd need to be running on E85 not a stock engine with a high flow turbo.
    The bolt on's I am getting are a lot more than that & I would expect to see between 350 to 380 kw at the wheels. But that's running on E85.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BO11OS View Post
    Hi nermal, I am sceptical as from what I have seen to achieve those sort of number you'd need to be running on E85 not a stock engine with a high flow turbo.
    The bolt on's I am getting are a lot more than that & I would expect to see between 350 to 380 kw at the wheels. But that's running on E85.
    Ok, I don't know if it's 360kW at the wheels either.

    That is a Hybrid Turbo exchange and the Stage 3 also requires a lot of other parts to achieve those figures - R600 intake, pipes/hoses/elbows, intercooler, performance catted downpipe & exhaust, upgraded fuel pump etc, plus recommended 700Nm clutch upgrade, big brakes etc.

    You can easily get to the $20-25K mark once you add all the hardware and ECU + DSG tune.

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