Interesting that no one has mentioned the power/torque difference between the two. Wouldn't you guys agree though that the TDI packs a meaner punch than the TSI?
Interesting that no one has mentioned the power/torque difference between the two. Wouldn't you guys agree though that the TDI packs a meaner punch than the TSI?
Not aware of a need to replace the petrol filter, but besides the DPF regen I was also thinking of the $1200+ services to change the DSG oil.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brendan_A
hmm I've driven both (Mk6) and didn't find the higher torque as noticeable as you'd expect given the large difference between numbers - the main reason being that the diesel runs out of revs at ~5000rpm. And of course if you get Stage 1 on the 118TSI the torque jumps up to 320nm as well (and ~151kw).Quote:
Originally Posted by ziggyboy
Remember that previously it was 118TSI vs 103TDI. Now it's 103TSI vs 110TDI. The TDI now doesn't only have more torque, it also has more power.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ryan_R
I have a 118TSI+DSG7 and I kinda regret getting it. I've had problems that are common to both the 118TSI engine and DSG7 gearbox, plus find the lag annoying. TDI drivers have told me that the TDI+DSG6's have less lag and more consistent torque. It's such a shame because VW's are nice cars to be in.
I'm wondering whether the 110TDI+DSG6 is the killer non-hot hatch combo... the Golf to buy that's not GTI level. Mix of good driving dynamics and reasonable reliability. I'm still skeptical with the TSI+DSG7 models...
Good points. I can say I've driven a 103TSI and it is NOTHING like the 118TSI (either my old one or the MY12 models) as far as lag goes and how it changes gear. Pedal response felt a lot like the new Corolla actually.
What do you mean? You mean the 103TSI is better than the 118? Sorry couldn't really tell from how you worded your response LOL.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ryan_R
As it currently stands (November 2013), the 110TDI has a lower driveaway price than the 103TSI, so you'll be saving immediately in terms of fuel costs.
The 110TDI produces more power between 1000 - 4000 RPM than the 103TSI, so it will be faster between those engine speeds, which is conveniently the range at which most people operate their engines in.Quote:
Originally Posted by ziggyboy
However, the 103TSI can rev for a further 2000 RPM and go on to 6000 RPM.
Power is the rate at which the engine can work, so being a function of time, the faster an engine spins, the faster it can accelerate. Thus, it is the 103TSI that will ultimately win full-throttle acceleration tests - despite the 7 kW deficit.
The 103TSI is also lighter than the 110TDI.
The German brochure indicates the 103TSI is faster from 0 - 100 km/h (8.4 vs 8.6 sec), level from 80 - 120 km/h in 4th gear (7.0 vs 7.0 sec) and faster from 80 - 120 km/h in 5th gear (8.5 vs 9.0 sec), but has a slower top speed (212 vs 216 km/h). FYI, these figures are for the manual gearbox. The acceleration times for 0 - 100 km/h are identical for the DSG.
The 60 000 km service for the 110TDI is capped at $791.00 (excluding pollen filter and brake fluid).Quote:
Originally Posted by Ryan_R
haha, maybe I should just stop posting in here (Mk7 section)
I shouldn't think so.
I bet many other people share the same concerns as you regarding service costs (always the bug bear with European cars).
I've driven them both back-to-back at Phillip Island, and although the TDI did have substantially more urge just off idle, the TSI felt a bit more sprightly just about everywhere else - especially up high in the rev range, and at higher speeds (160km/h+). The TDI felt significantly more cumbersome dynamically, and I was surprised by how loud the diesel was from within the cabin, even at idle.Quote:
Originally Posted by ziggyboy
Prior to driving both I'd figured that if my use-case stacked up for a TDI, I'd buy a 110. But now, even at identical pricing, I'd go for the 103TSI no question.
I was definitely impressed with the Passat TDI I had as a courtesy car, for driving around in <80 areas, it's torque+DSG was a match for my stg1 R+ manual I think!