Can I take a guess that finding an R32 head would be very difficult?
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Can I take a guess that finding an R32 head would be very difficult?
YES Dyldo it would.....States is the way togo
better off buying the whole motor
i'm just talking here, but if we asume that FI increases the engine output at a certain % over its starting point its logical to assume a turbo'd R32 engine would be quicker than a turbo'd VR6 24V engine (holding aside the obvious displacement issue).
If the R32 head really is so much better though, is there a logical answer as to why a fabrication company hasn't made one for consumption?
of course a turbo r32 will make more power than a turbo 2.8, theres no replacement for displacement.
No-one is going to tool up a factory to make aftermarket heads for any car, let alone as small a niche market as the R32.
sorry, should have been more specific. i meant that if displacement were the same, then we assume that the big difference in the engine will be the head design correct? thats what i was trying to determine. my apologies.
With some hard work over the next 12 mths I genuinely believe i will come into some money, and one of the outcomes is to throw around $20K at my Bora and the lion's sare of that would be FI - most likely a Kinetic Motorsports turbo. Hence I am trying to be very clear on my build list and then find a guy to put it all together for me. At this stage I am considering City Performance in Artarmon.
But back to my OP, and can we agree now that as fine as this intake looks, the R32 head would be a better alternative?
If thats the case, then it *may* make the most sense to install a R32 engine in the Bora.
sorry if I misinterpreted what you said :)
yeah, even taking into account the displacement difference, the r32 makes more power per liter
3.2L 177kw = 55kw/L
2.8L 150kw = 53kw/L
If you have the cash i'd do the 3.2L swap, there is more support for the motor parts wise too, so you can build the motor etc.
But if on a budget a F/I 2.8L > n/a 3.2L
I'd love to do the 3.2L (or even better a 3.6L!), but pretty sure finding a suitable motor would be a long and expensive exercise
Stom Developments in the UK have crate motors, but I shudder to think how much they are asking...
stick to ur 2.8.....
034motorsport in the states developed a 2.8 24v with a R32 head with turbo with a tunes for circuit and drag of 600 to 800hps+
This motor is now forsale......
Buyin a R32 motor will cost ur arm and leg..
R32 head is the way togo....like i said earlier,to develop the 2.8 head to get gains even bigger than the R head will cost a **** load..
This is not sayin the 2.8 head is **** but cheaper is R32 head
i don't want to hijack my own thread and turn this into a drooling mess of "my dream build" thread, but i feel i have a pretty good reason for my thinking so far for the 2.8L turbo idea. See, i got my Bora for $12K (yes, i know its a bargain for a 4Mo) but the paint is terrible, and she was a bit tired. Thankfully, the engine and drivetrain were good but the suspension is shot.
Anyway, seeing as how I got it for 12K my thinking was that i could drop a few grand on detailing and paint resto and leather resto, a few more grand on rims, rubber, suspension and shocks (call it $6K now) and then around $15K on a turbo kit brings the Bora to a total spend of $35K approx give or take the odd exense here and there.
If a mint R32 is $35K then tbh i want my customised Bora.
I could go extra mental and do forged internals and balanced crank and oversized valves and basic headwork for a few more grand.
And of course the biggest (and best hp) expense would be an R32 engine ($5K USD) and do all the forged goodies and off she goes. But that $5K engine would have to cost $10K AUD landed, yes? However, that does make it a Bora R32 turbo with all new goodies for the additional cost of a R32. Plus there are more goodies and parts for a R32 as mentioned, as well as more tuners and ECU maps.
very inteersting. the thinking continues......