Golf R Specifications and Prices

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Originally Posted by ccoops79

Hey Silverarrow,

What did you think of the DSG coming from an R32 manual gearbox?
When you get the R will you be choosing DSG or will you go with the manual transmission agan? :P

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I was more impressed by the DSG than I have been on previous drives of DSG cars, still making up my mind on DSG over manual though.

It really is a different driving technique. I do like the ability to drive it like an auto, and that makes sense in traffic, the feel of the two cars (R vs R32) is completely different though and for a fair comparison a drive of a manual R would probably have been better for my purposes.

Will I buy a DSG - it'll probably come down to a decision on the day I decide to purchase.

The heart says manual, the mind says DSG probably makes more sense.

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Originally Posted by dave-

Interesting stuff. The differing info on the whole order/production/delivery process baffles me. Would love to know which info was accurate and which was fantasy. (PS: Not taking a swipe at Glenn)

In other news, I had an interesting conversation regarding corporate pricing today. They're laughable if true compared to what was offered on the R32. But the example I was given for the Polo spec in my sig worked out to less than 2% off the RRP! So fair to say, the old school negotiations will have to be done as corp+ pricing is a joke.

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Trust me dave, i took what they were saying with a grain of salt too, but after telling them i would change my spec/price to get an earlier delivery, they still said it wouldn't make any difference, so there was no gain on their part (that i can see at least) in what they were telling me. Also, there wouldn't seem to be any way to shortcut this process by going to other dealerships, as the problem isn't really at the Aus end, as most orders now are being told a similar 4-6 month wait for the car.

Time will tell, and i'll let you know when i get a confirmed build/delivery date.

As to corp discount on the R, there is actually a more significant decrease in price due to LCT (depening on spec) when the dealers start knocking a few dollars off their base price (eg, a $1000 discount at the base level will take ~$1,500 off the RRP due to LCT and taxes). The calculator spreadsheet doesn't actually account for this if the discount reduces the LCT to zero.

Suffice to say that if you are ready to order, GTI like discounts can be negotiated and i didn't even have to bang my fist on the table once. ;)

Yeah - I think things start getting complicated if you start to try and separate what % discount comes from reduction in price vs reduction in LCT. In the end, it's semantics anyway, because you can't NOT pay the LCT if your car is in that price range.

There it gets really difficult is "where the discount is applied to".
If the dealer gives you a $1000 discount, and it's pre-GST (as they usually are), then in states with a 5% stamp duty, it does equal a $1500 difference to your drive away price (WA only equals $1430 discount for example).

So if corp discount is applied at this level, that $2500 off dealer delivery and $2000 off the car can actually turn out to be around $6,400 (depending on the state, and how much of your car is in the LCT threshold).

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Originally Posted by coreying

Yeah - I think things start getting complicated if you start to try and separate what % discount comes from reduction in price vs reduction in LCT. In the end, it's semantics anyway, because you can't NOT pay the LCT if your car is in that price range.

There it gets really difficult is "where the discount is applied to".
If the dealer gives you a $1000 discount, and it's pre-GST (as they usually are), then in states with a 5% stamp duty, it does equal a $1500 difference to your drive away price (WA only equals $1430 discount for example).

So if corp discount is applied at this level, that $2500 off dealer delivery and $2000 off the car can actually turn out to be around $6,400 (depending on the state, and how much of your car is in the LCT threshold).

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Correct - I was talking about the raw numbers - the 2500 (Corp discount) comes off the base price of the car, and reduces the LCT by a significant amount. I worked out the $4500 raw number translated to ~6500 on the total spec, the dealer was also not averse to the discussion around putting the RNS510 in post sale to reduce the price.

The Spec we discussed:

5Dr DSG
19" Talledegas
ACC
RNS510
Leather
MDI
Bluetooth prep (BTW this is the same as the previous VW/Skoda premium BT which was ~1800, now 550 inc.)

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Originally Posted by LouLou

In regards to the colour, I am having the hardest time trying to choose between Rising Blue & Candy White. I've weight up both and can't seem to choose between the two. What do you guys think?

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You're asking the wrong people. Some of us have debated over the colour or options for over 6 months haha :)

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Originally Posted by Glennb

Time will tell, and i'll let you know when i get a confirmed build/delivery date.

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True, makes more sense that the other theories out there!

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Originally Posted by Glennb

As to corp discount on the R, there is actually a more significant decrease in price...Suffice to say that if you are ready to order, GTI like discounts can be negotiated and i didn't even have to bang my fist on the table once. ;)

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That is what I found so surprising. The justification being given for pricing didn't add up.

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Originally Posted by coreying

There it gets really difficult is "where the discount is applied to".

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Yeah it's too hard. All I was getting at is their justification for an R costing significantly more than an equal spec R32 was bull****. I've left them with my thoughts. If they persist with it, I'll cancel both orders and go elsewhere. Will definitely further delay me getting what I want but I've got to find another car in the meantime anyway so its a moot point now.

Well, there is no way an R should be significantly more than an equal spec R32... not even anything more... $7000 cheaper base, and all you need to do is add leather, and it's still $3,700 cheaper...

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Originally Posted by coreying

Well, there is no way an R should be significantly more than an equal spec R32... not even anything more... $7000 cheaper base, and all you need to do is add leather, and it's still $3,700 cheaper...

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Which is exactly why I found the info being given to me all the more perplexing!

On a side note, is anyone buying GTI's anymore :D

Yeah - sounds like you need a "better dealer".

As for the GTI - I'm sure the sales are still going strong. It's a great car still :)

I like to give people the benefit of the doubt so we'll see. But they've only got 1 chance to make things right before I do.

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Originally Posted by dave-

Which is exactly why I found the info being given to me all the more perplexing!

On a side note, is anyone buying GTI's anymore :D

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June Performance Small Car Figures

Sales Numbers = Month / CYTD

1.Volkswagen - Golf GTI - 716 - 2,109
2.Subaru - Impreza WRX - 27 - 989
3.Ford - Focus XR5 - 204 - 867
4.Mazda - Mazda3 MPS - 55 - 358
5.Mitsubishi - Lancer Ralliart - 44 - 220
6.Honda - Civic Type R - 25 - 90

1.Mitsubishi - Lancer Evolution - 21 - 148
2.Volkswagen - Golf R/R32 - 53 - 134
3.Subaru - Impreza WRX STI - 7 - 78

[Source: VFACTS via Mazda Guru from OzMPSclub.com]