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My point was partly that the difference in ACC modes is quite subtle and for normal road use will be of limited benefit to most people. For track use however I feel ACC to be a good investment (assuming you aren't planning other suspension upgrades).Quote:
Originally Posted by logger
Haha, yes, me and PRV work closely together!
Agree ACC/DCC is probably not essential but wouldn't say it's a gimmick... No point ticking every option box or you're overcapitalising and never get the money back.
The changes in the modes are subtle but seem to be more to do with dampening than handling (although could be related i guess and comfort mode the handling does suffer).
On an R with 18" i wouldn't bother but may do with 19". The MK6 chassis is a lot stiffer than MK5 but seems like it's less underdampened than my R32.
All modes may not vary much however the standard mode does compared to a non-ACC car (probably can't tell the difference on a 5min test drive).
Bit of a tough one, but if you're wanting to lower the car i obviously wouldn't get it.
Thank's for that info, eases my concerns a fair bit as i have no intention of tracking the car.Quote:
Originally Posted by HPSOV
The ride in the Golf GTI exhibits more bounce than the Golf R, reason being (1) Its lighter; (2) Being more of a lead tipped arrow, the springs must have enough spring rate to accommodate a full complement of passengers & luggage. When there are no rear passengers or other type of load to weigh down the rear of the GTI, it feels a bit like a Ute with no load in the rear – a bit bouncy. The GTI is more adjustable on the throttle with the lighter rear end and slightly softer tune of suspension – it’s still harder work or more challenging to extract the best from it from a driver’s point of view ... slow in and a wide apex is the style of driving the GTI favours.
The Golf R on 18” with non-DCC STD suspension that I sampled in the Golf R –v- Golf GTI thread was extremely well sorted as an OE suspended vehicle. Golf R has a fine compromise between comfort & handling. You can feel the extra weight in the tighter corners & it takes a bit of going or a few gear down-changes to get it going, but overall a very well balanced vehicle offering a fluid ride. DCC on the Golf R will add a bit more dynamic polish when desired coupled with firmer steering when in sport mode – vice versa when DCC is in comfort mode. Overall, I wouldn’t be too concerned if your Golf R doesn’t have DCC. Like Bi-Xenon lights, nice to have, but not essential.
For the serious track day enthusiast – I’d run the same or similar suspension as Guy Harding is doing with his Golf R: Competition type coilovers, aftermarket solid adjustable sway bars, Whiteline polyurethane bushes in lieu of OE rubber bushes; and if the budget allows – lightweight wheels, twice piece brakes, lighter callipers. This set up may be a bit taxing on ride comfort for everyday use or long country trips.
Haven’t driven the MANUAL Golf R. See this thread for Nik Petroff’s comments on his Golf R. Bear in mind that Petroff has apparently owned a few M-Power BMW’s and Audi RS4.
http://forums.vwvortex.com/showthrea...6280-GTi-vs.-R
I was looking at a manual GTI, but decided against it after a few test drives.
Reasons:
CheersQuote:
GTI doesn’t have a S2000 or MX5 shift.
Electronic throttle overrides driver’s commands.
Throws between gears are too long.
Motor revs to quickly causing driver to incessantly row gearbox in the lower gears (not so bad on a faster flowing roadway) – probably a bigger issue with the Golf R as the tacho moves very fast between 4,000rpm – 6,500rpm.
DSG Golf apparently has stiffer front springs, making for a better country drive, with some trade off in slow speed city comfort.
WJ
Yeah that all makes good sense.Quote:
Originally Posted by HPSOV
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Originally Posted by logger
Thought so, tell him logger says hi. Last time I saw you blokes was with MEL a while back. I recall MEL bailing me up and telling me unless at least one of you blokes fronted for work that day, he wasnt going to let me leave. Small world aint it.Quote:
Originally Posted by HPSOV
ACC is not worth the money - i couldnt tell the difference between any of the modes (although i only drove an ACC enabled car once) i opted not to have it on mine when i ordered....
youtube has some good reviews on ACC as well
There is a definite difference and quite a lot of R&D and technology goes into it - but you may not notice on a 5min test drive.Quote:
Originally Posted by blanch0b
In my opinion you forgot the "In my opinion..." prefix :PQuote:
Originally Posted by blanch0b
Fair comment I reckon. As they say YMMV.Quote:
Originally Posted by G-rig
Yea sorry, 'in my opinion' its not worth it....:P
maybe i could tell if i drove it again and again, and theres no denying theres alot of R&D that went into it, but still for the incremental difference youll eventually notice, in my opinion, its not worth the opportunity cost....
im an avid driver but i dont take my car on the track, thats probably where it comes into play more than anywhere else (as previous comments have alluded too)
I could tell the difference in my 5 minute test drive, so in my opinion, you should drive both cars and decide for yourself whether it's worth it or not.
For what it's worth, I ordered it for my car :)