Disable Stop/start - VCDS tweak

[DV52]

Disable Start/Stop (Bluemotion) on Golf mkVII - VCDS tweak

The following two methods can be used to permanently disable Start/Stop (SS) on a Golf mk7:
(1) Temperature Method, or

(2) Voltage Method (as an alternative to the Temperature Method)

From feedback that I have received from forum members (thanks jonoz and Fontana), it appears that the Voltage method is applicable to later "MY" models and the Temperature method can be used on earlier "MY" models (i.e. my13 in my case)

Before proceeding with this tweak, consideration should be given to any legal and environemtal factors that may result when disabling this facility.

(1) Temperature Method
These instructions were sourced from the Golfmk7.com site. Grateful acknowledgement to the author "Allenlin" who has said that the VCDS tweak was developed on a 103TDI. Allenlin has produced a short video which shows that SS has been disabled (see the link below) I have implemented this tweak on my mkVII, and I can vouch that it works.

Video: Start/Stop disabled-Golf mkVII (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cjphcp9o8xg&feature=youtu.be)
Allenlin instructions:

1. Enter 19-CAN Gateway

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/49451629/Golfmk7/startstop/1.jpg

2.Click on Adaptation-10

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/49451629/Golfmk7/startstop/2.jpg

3. From drop-down channel list select (1)-Start/Stopp Auntemperaturvorgabe-Minimaltemperatur (it's almost at end of channel list)


In New value box, enter 50 (default stored value = -50.0)

Click Do it! tab

Click Add to Log to save a copy of the change


https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/49451629/Golfmk7/startstop/3.jpg

4.From drop-down channel list select (2)-Start/Stopp Auntemperaturvorgabe-Maximaltemperatur (it's almost at end of channel list)


In New value box, enter 50 (default stored value = -50.0)

Click Do it! tab

Click Add to Log to save a copy of the change


https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/49451629/Golfmk7/startstop/4.jpg


(2) Voltage Method (alternative)

The voltage method is not available to all mk7 models (my own my13 vehicle will not allow access to the Adaptation channel below). However, I have confirmed (by viewing the Adaptation Control Map for Address hex19) that this method is available for the my14 model.

Instructions

1. Enter 19-CAN Gateway (see screen shot above)

2. Click on Adaptation (see screen shot above)

3. From drop down channel list, select Start/Stop start voltage limit (it's about 60% down the channel list)


In New value box, enter 12 (default stored value = 7.6V) Note: forums report that a value greater than 10V will work for this tweak - maximum permissible value =12.1V

Click Do it! tab

Click Add to Log to save a copy of the change

http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/attachments/f197/10972-disable-stop-start-vcds-tweak-disable-ss_volt-png


EDIT: If you have a Mk7 Golf R then you could have Acc/Start Auth. Control module fitted to your car (address 05, HW:5Q0-959-435)
This controller has only one adaptation channel whose sole function is disabling Stop/Start. The adaptation channel descriptor is Deactivation of start-stop function and default setting is not active. It may be possible to change this setting to active (untested).
I've had two replies from forum members about changing the setting on this control module (thanks jonoz and fontana). Both have advised that they were unable to gain access to this module.

[gldgti]

looks like that is simply changing the 'outside temperature' threshold, below which stop start is disabled by the car (with -50 being the standard value... seems sensible, kinda).

I would have thought you would need to put in a code to enter the adaptation screen....but its not mentioned above.

[OilBurna]

What is the normal threshold I know on wife's cAr it is 30 deg


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[Umai Naa!!]

Well that's nice and simple.

Interested to hear how it pans out.

[DV52]

Well that's nice and simple.

Interested to hear how it pans out.

Umai Naa : I think that the Golf-ing community should nominate Allenlin for a Nobel prize! I've wanted one for years -I'd kill for a Nobel peace prize!

I'm finally rid of the stop/start facility on my mkVII. The VCDS tweak worked a treat. No more having to press the disable button on the center consol every time that I start the engine. Checked for faults on the auto scan report after the tweak - none to be found.
Still get the dreaded "A" symbol in a circle (with a slash) when the vehicle comes to rest (in place of the gear indicator on the top RHS of the MFD), but the engine keeps idling

Also tried the guage sweep tweak. It's only a cosmetic thing, but it worked OK too.

[Bambazonke]

Not too familiar with the Golf 7 but has anyone compiled a list of VCDS tweaks for it yet? I have read on another forum those golfs that have electric folding mirrors can be tweaked to fold remotely on locking any truth on the matter?

I will try out this deactivation of the stop start on my Tiguan and see if it works

[AdamD]

Not too familiar with the Golf 7 but has anyone compiled a list of VCDS tweaks for it yet? I have read on another forum those golfs that have electric folding mirrors can be tweaked to fold remotely on locking any truth on the matter?

Australian-delivered Mk7s don't come equipped with electric folding mirrors.

[kennyc]

Australian-delivered Mk7s don't come equipped with electric folding mirrors.

We don't even get close to half of what they get overseas which is really disappointing...

[DV52]

Not too familiar with the Golf 7 but has anyone compiled a list of VCDS tweaks for it yet? I have read on another forum those golfs that have electric folding mirrors can be tweaked to fold remotely on locking any truth on the matter?

I will try out this deactivation of the stop start on my Tiguan and see if it works

Bambazonke: (interesting name!). I've compiled quite a few VCDS tweaks that I've gotten from all over the net but they are mostly untried. I'm really not sure of the accepted etiquette when copying stuff, so I'm hesitant to paste tweaks here. I've subsequently learn't that I should have gotten Alenlin's prior permission to paste his/her stop/start tweak (notwithstanding my acknowledgement of his/her authorship) and I've apologised on the other forum for my lack of manners.



Please let us know if the stop/start tweak works on your Tiguan.

[AdamD]

I'm really not sure of the accepted etiquette when copying stuff, so I'm hesitant to paste tweaks here. I've subsequently learn't that I should have gotten Alenlin's prior permission to paste his/her stop/start tweak (notwithstanding my acknowledgement of his/her authorship) and I've apologised on the other forum for my lack of manners.

You're more than welcome to copy and paste tweaks - people don't hold copyright over these things, and if they choose to share their knowledge in a public forum, then that information should be considered public.

So by all means, create a VCDS Tweaks thread for the Mk7 if you like (we have this one for the Mk6: http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/f112/official-vww-vcds-tweak-library-50749.html), but please provide as much detail (not speculation) as you can, along with any relevant links where readers may find more information. Also be sure to point out that any VCDS adjustments are made at the owner's own risk, and may result in damage to control modules, etc etc.

[vdubmotorworx]

Just disconnect the battery monitor unit plug on the battery earth lead....VDUB...

[Umai Naa!!]

Will it throw up lights on the dash?

[Bambazonke]

Bambazonke: (interesting name!)
Please let us know if the stop/start tweak works on your Tiguan.

The indigenous nickname given to Salisbury the capital of the then Rhodesia where I was born
It literally means "take all" like all capital cities around the world!

[DV52]

The indigenous nickname given to Salisbury the capital of the then Rhodesia where I was born
It literally means "take all" like all capital cities around the world!

Bambazonke: Thanks for the information. I always like it when I learn stuff!

[vdubmotorworx]

Will it throw up lights on the dash?

No it does not

[DV52]

You're more than welcome to copy and paste tweaks - people don't hold copyright over these things, and if they choose to share their knowledge in a public forum, then that information should be considered public.

So by all means, create a VCDS Tweaks thread for the Mk7 if you like (we have this one for the Mk6: http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/f112/official-vww-vcds-tweak-library-50749.html), but please provide as much detail (not speculation) as you can, along with any relevant links where readers may find more information. Also be sure to point out that any VCDS adjustments are made at the owner's own risk, and may result in damage to control modules, etc etc.

AdamD. Thanks for the encouragement. I believe that VWW already has a place for VCDS tweaks at
Forum/Specialist/VCDS Technical Resources/Vagcom Codes for Golf mk7. I was first introduced to this thread by the venerable Ryan_R.

[spikeyboy22]

Thanks guys, have turned off the stop start and works well...

Any body found the coding to get the traffic or tmc working ... Can't find any thing anywhere...

Also those links posted above are great...

[AdamD]

AdamD. Thanks for the encouragement. I believe that VWW already has a place for VCDS tweaks at
Forum/Specialist/VCDS Technical Resources/Vagcom Codes for Golf mk7. I was first introduced to this thread by the venerable Ryan_R.

Yep, that thread hasn't had much visibility so I've moved it into the Mk7 section for now, and shifted your post into it here:
http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/f197/vagcom-codes-golf-mk7-84619-3.html#post1033967

(Bear in mind that external links are only of use until a remote site goes down, is edited or otherwise changes to become less useful. It's also more difficult to quote remote references in context, so don't hesitate to post codes and suggestions in the above thread on VWW if appropriate.)

[Ryan_R]

Agreed. If you've got time get a copy of the codes/screenshots on these forums like I did for the Mk6. No-one has yelled at me for doing them :)

(Just put a thanks/credit link to the source websites at the bottom).

[sprint_ed]

Hi guys

Im desperately trying to turn off start/stop on my caddy. however when i go into adaptation (mine actually says long adaptation) those channels aren't listed at all.

i found some other areas that relate to this under engine, but if i do it via coding, it does nothing, and if it turn it off via engine adaption it just changes the value to active again.

any thoughts??

thanks

[DV52]

Hi guys

Im desperately trying to turn off start/stop on my caddy. however when i go into adaptation (mine actually says long adaptation) those channels aren't listed at all.

i found some other areas that relate to this under engine, but if i do it via coding, it does nothing, and if it turn it off via engine adaption it just changes the value to active again.

any thoughts??

thanks

sprint_ed: You probably don't want to hear this, but I've done the SS tweak on a number of cars and they have all been successful. However, all the cars have been mk7 Golfs. I'm not familiar with the Caddy and you didn't say which version that you have. Without a copy of the autoscan report it's difficult to make any specific comments, but a few things that you could try:


Are you using the latest RT software (perhaps the latest beta version 14.7.2)? I assume that you have done all the usual stuff like a search of the net (sorry, but I had to ask)
Has the VCDS software supplied "labels" for all the module control on yout car (i.e. as shown in the autoscan report). If this is the case, and if you have examined all the long-coding screens and found no mention of bits/bytes relating to the SS facility, then it's fairly safe to assume that the answer (if at all) lies in an adaptation channel somewhere.
Have you produced a complete suite of Adaptation maps for the car? I'm not sure if you are aware of these, but the RT instructions for these maps can be found here (http://www.ross-tech.com/vcds/tour/controller-channels-map.html). Remember to select "adaptation" and "CSV" before running the map software and a note of caution: the maps on some of the controllers (like the CAN Gateway for example - I assume that the Caddy has a CAN bus) can take a long time top complete - so make sure that the laptop battery is fully charged.
Once you have a set of .CSV files for each controller, parse them into a spreadsheet application (like excel) and search for the term Stop/Start (or Stopp as per the term in the mk7 ). That should give you an idea if there are any adaptation channels in your vehicle for this purpose. Look here (https://docs.zoho.com/file/mb9ur5c9605f28acd48e881ce9f28676807de) for the adaptation map spreadsheet for my mk7 - just as an example.
If you are not comfortable with excel, then you could try simply searching through the individual .CSV files using the "find" command in a text editor software like MS notebook. It's a bit more tedious, but it does the job.
failing all the above, the answer could be that the Adaptation channel for disabling SS on the Caddy is in one of those "hidden menus" what we all dread. Finding the coding byte to unlock this problem is a lot more tricky, but let's hope that this step isn't required!
Finally, you could make enquiries about the KUFATEC module. It's intended for MQB platform vehicles, but a email to the distributor might bring some joy. The link for this product is here (http://www.kufatec.co.uk/shop/en/diagnostic-tools/kufatec-diagnostic-coding-dongle/coding-interface-disable-start-stop-mqb)


Good luck and my apology if you already know this stuff. Please let me know how you fare

[jonoz]

Disable Start/Stop (Bluemotion) on Golf mkVII - VCDS tweak
EDIT: If you have a Mk7 Golf R then you could have Acc/Start Auth. Control module fitted to your car (address 05, HW:5Q0-959-435)
This controller has only one adaptation channel whose sole function is disabling Stop/Start. The adaptation channel descriptor is Deactivation of start-stop function and default setting is not active. Change this to active

Hey mate, trying to disable the start-stop but changing the above setting just constantly sets itself back to not active. Not sure if it matters but my HW is the same as above but suffixed with an "A"?

Any ideas?

Update: The temperate method also seems to be unable to be modified, I have disabled via the voltage method.

Now, how the hell can I turn off Driving School Mode? I have reversed all the instructed settings but it wont go away!! :facepalm:

[DV52]

Hey mate, trying to disable the start-stop but changing the above setting just constantly sets itself back to not active. Not sure if it matters but my HW is the same as above but suffixed with an "A"?

Any ideas?

Update: The temperate method also seems to be unable to be modified, I have disabled via the voltage method.

Now, how the hell can I turn off Driving School Mode? I have reversed all the instructed settings but it wont go away!! :facepalm:

Jonoz: Hi, you sound a bit frustrated!

The Acc/Start Auth is a relatively new control module (it's not in my car), so I can't provide much help (unfortunately). Perhaps someone else here that actually has the module in their car can lend some assistance.

Not sure why the temperature method was unable to be modified, because this is the way that I disabled Stop/Start on my car. I used the exact procedure in my post - worked first time without a hitch. Stop/Start has been disabled now on my car for almost 12 months without any problems.

I've had a few PMs from others and there are some posts both here and on the Golfmk7 site from members that have also been able to make the temperature method work. Yours is the first time that I have heard that the temperature method has been unable to be modified. But it sounds like the Voltage method has worked so all good I guess!

OK, now for the other problem of the attempted driving school mode roll-back.

Please provide more details about what happened when you tried to roll-back the settings. For example:


What RT software version were you using?
What type cable are you using and is it the same cable that you used to enable Driving School mode?
Have you looked at the three adaptation channel settings after you finished the roll-back procedure to confirm that the control module actually accepted the changes that you made?
Have you looked at the CodingLog.txt file in your debug directory to make sure that another adaptation channel wasn't inadvertently selected in the roll-back process?
I'm not sure that I understand your comment, "it wont go away". If I don't want to use the facility, I simply select another screen using the <, or > tabs. Driving school mode just stays in the background without affecting any other function. Does this work on your Discover media screen?

[jonoz]

Thanks for the response DV, other Audi forums people are speculating in later models (MY15) the temperature method is locked out.

As for DSM, left the car powered off for 10 minutes after making the change and powered it back on and its gone. Reason for wanting it gone is that it was the default display when selecting the "CAR" option.

[DV52]

Thanks for the response DV, other Audi forums people are speculating in later models (MY15) the temperature method is locked out.

As for DSM, left the car powered off for 10 minutes after making the change and powered it back on and its gone. Reason for wanting it gone is that it was the default display when selecting the "CAR" option.

Johoz: Glad to hear that it's all ok now.

And you are correct, the Driving-Mode screen does become the default page when the CAR button is pressed (notwithstanding that you can still navigate to other screens using the < and > tags). I'll put a note on my tweak page instructions to advise others about this. Thanks for highlighting this point.

[fontana302]

The voltage method is the only one that worked for me to disable the stop/start, was locked out from modifying the temperature. Mine is MY15 R, September 2014 Build.

05: Acc/Start Auth. Control Module Part No SW: 5Q0 959 435 A HW: 5Q0 959 435

[DV52]

The voltage method is the only one that worked for me to disable the stop/start, was locked out from modifying the temperature. Mine is MY15 R, September 2014 Build.

05: Acc/Start Auth. Control Module Part No SW: 5Q0 959 435 A HW: 5Q0 959 435

Fontana: Thanks for the feedback. From what you and jonoz have said, it appears that the voltage method applies to later model cars. I'll add a note to my tweak instructions. Again, many thanks

[xssiiv]

This works perfect, relatively cheap, very easy to install and completely reversible

Coding interface disable start / stop MQB-40019 (http://www.kufatec.com.au/shop/en/diagnostic-tools/kufatec-diagnostic-coding-dongle/coding-interface-disable-start-stop-mqb)

[dtpearson]

I had my MY15 Golf R VAGCOMed to disable the stop/start by the voltage method, and now i find that it sometimes interferes with launch control. I find that sometimes when i stop to do launch control the stop/start symbol comes up on the dash where the S1 symbol usually is, the car will not launch properly then.

I have to press the button to disable stop/start (even tho it never kicks in) to keep it from interfering, so no big problem, but i though i should let everyone know.

[logger]

..EDIT: If you have a Mk7 Golf R then you could have Acc/Start Auth. Control module fitted to your car (address 05, HW:5Q0-959-435)
This controller has only one adaptation channel whose sole function is disabling Stop/Start. The adaptation channel descriptor is Deactivation of start-stop function and default setting is not active. It may be possible to change this setting to active (untested).
I've had two replies from forum members about changing the setting on this control module (thanks jonoz and fontana). Both have advised that they were unable to gain access to this module.

I dont have a MK7 but will shortly be collecting a new Touareg. I will be wanting to kill the start stop. Any thoughts on whether a MY15 Touareg will also have the Acc/Start Auth. Control module?

I am also wondering if lack of access to the module is related to number of KMs on their cars. I read elsewhere that the ability to disable S/S may be allowed initially, so the car can be configured for its specific market. Then this capability is removed after the first 50 or 100kms on the ODO to stop people like us from fiddling. I wonder if this is what jonoz and fontana were seeing. My car will have ~ 25kms on the clock when I get it home. My plan is to go looking for this or a similar module straight away to see if it is accessible.

[logger]

In reply to my previous. Collected new Touareg. It has the Acc/Start Auth. Control module. Car has 25km on clock. Module is accessible and was readily able to deselect byte1 bit 5 and disable the Start/Stop function. So will get out of your hair & scoot off back to the 'Reg forum now. Will be interesting to see if the module remains accessible.

[mythik]

In reply to my previous. Collected new Touareg. It has the Acc/Start Auth. Control module. Car has 25km on clock. Module is accessible and was readily able to deselect byte1 bit 5 and disable the Start/Stop function. So will get out of your hair & scoot off back to the 'Reg forum now. Will be interesting to see if the module remains accessible.

Made in Jan '15 Touareg here. Just delivered! Tried a few of the weird and wonderful ways to get rid of the dreaded start/stop nemesis. Not having any success! Any tips??

[DV52]

I'm hoping that there are some forum colleagues out there with an understanding of basic electronics and knowledge of Start Stop (S/S) technology that can help.

As most folk will be aware, there's at least two ways (maybe three) of disabling S/S by fiddling with the car's adaptation channel settings. However, not everyone has access to a VCDS cable. So I was thinking - is there a way of achieving this tweak for those that don't have a cable?

As a factory option, the driver is able to disengage "bluemotion" by pressing the S/S disable button that is located on the centre console. The problem is of-course that the car doesn't remember the centre console switch setting when the ignition is turned-off, so the S/S disable button must be re-activated every time the car is started. This disadvantage notwithstanding, a quick look at the Wiring Diagram (WD) for this part of the car's electrical circuit shows (perhaps "suggests" is a better word) that the S/S disable button is a simple single-throw-single-pole switch.

I've posted a copy of the WD below to illustrate the simplicity of the factory fitted S/S kill circuit. Apart from the LED and the ballast resistor that is connected to PIN #7 which is energised via the BCM when the S/S switch is activated, the actual mechanism for shutting-down S/S appears to be a switch that connects PIN #60 on the BCM to ground (via PIN #4 on the S/S button). Note: the other LED and its current limiting resistor which is connected to PIN #2 on the S/S button is for console panel lighting (terminal 58d) Question 1 - Am I missing anything else?

So, if my analysis is correct, then another way of disabling S/S should be to install a device across the S/S button on the centre console so that it automatically shorts-out PIN #4 to ground whenever the ignition is switched-on. An easy way of doing this (I think) is the simple 555 circuit that is also shown in the picture below. The fix (if it works) only has 6 components and I've arranged the configuration of the 555 circuit so that there is approx 5 sec time delay (after terminal 15 power is energised) before the relay is energised. My thinking is that this delay may be prudent to allow the car's other electronic circuits to stabilise before the S/S kill signal is sent to the BCM. Question 2 - Am I missing anything else?

Comments and views gratefully accepted
Cheers
Don


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[AJW]

I'm a Electronics Tech waiting for my GTIPP - should have it in Oct.
This looks like something I might have a go at.
Can't see why it wouldn't work, no difference between you shorting the switch with your finger and a relay doing the same thing.
The only thing I'm not sure about is how "bouncy" the 12V is when you turn the car's ignition on and when you start the car.
This might cause it to trigger again.
Do you know if there's a switched 12V line near the Start/stop switch?

I'd probably try building it with a SMD 555 to keep it as small as possible to hide in the centre console.
If you want to turn on the start/stop you'd just press the button again.

[Lucas_R]

Do you know if there's a switched 12V line near the Start/stop switch?

The cigarette lighter is not far away in the centre console for a switched 12v source.

[AJW]

The cigarette lighter is not far away in the centre console for a switched 12v source.

Yes I thought that might be the case.

Depending on how fussy the control electronics is connected to the switch you could probably use a Solid State relay.
That way there's less things to go wrong.

[DV52]

I'm a Electronics Tech waiting for my GTIPP - should have it in Oct.
This looks like something I might have a go at.
Can't see why it wouldn't work, no difference between you shorting the switch with your finger and a relay doing the same thing.
The only thing I'm not sure about is how "bouncy" the 12V is when you turn the car's ignition on and when you start the car.
This might cause it to trigger again.
Do you know if there's a switched 12V line near the Start/stop switch?

I'd probably try building it with a SMD 555 to keep it as small as possible to hide in the centre console.
If you want to turn on the start/stop you'd just press the button again.

AJW: Hi and thanks for the response

Good point about the switch bounce issue. I'm not sure how problematic this will be but you might consider installing an electrolytic capacitor physically placed near the 555 supply pins and a free-wheeling diode across the supply rail (again near the 555) to handle negative spikes. I also like your suggestion of using a solid state relay, but I suspect that all that is required is a simple transistor switch (something like a BC547). I'm not sure what circuitry is inside PIN #60 of the BCM, but I assume that it's some sort of open collector arrangement.

I've shown an alternative output circuit in the picture below. I've nominally chosen the resistor for the base of the BC547 to be 22k, but you might need to experiment with this value. The output voltage (at PIN #3) of the 555 timer is about 2Volts lower than the supply rail. So assuming a nominal 14 volt supply, the voltage across the base resistor for the BC547 should be about (14-2-0.6) = 11.4 Volts. If a 22k resistor is used, this means that the base current will be a about 0.5 mA. Assuming a nominal transistor gain (hfe) of typically 90, this should allow 45mA of collector current to flow - should be more than ample as the S/S kill signal. Not sure if a pull-up resistor will also be required, but I'd try without one to start.

SMD is a good idea, but I'm not sure if this is entirely needed as the non-smd device shouldn't be that big.

Also, not sure about your comment "If you want to turn on the start/stop you'd just press the button again". Once the circuit is in place and the 555 timer has latched, PIN #4 of the S/S button will be shorted to ground. As the S/S button on the centre console is effectively in parallel with the output relay/transistor, pressing the button won't remove the short to ground (I think). I may have misunderstood your comment - sorry if I have

Cheers
Don

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[AJW]

AJW: Hi and thanks for the response

Also, not sure about your comment "If you want to turn on the start/stop you'd just press the button again". Once the circuit is in place and the 555 timer has latched, PIN #4 of the S/S button will be shorted to ground. As the S/S button on the centre console is effectively in parallel with the output relay/transistor, pressing the button won't remove the short to ground (I think). I may have misunderstood your comment - sorry if I have

Hello Don

It's a bit hard because I don't have a car to test but I'm guessing the the Start/Stop switch is momentary not latching.
As the system seems to reset the function when you turn the car off it must be momentary - I'm guessing all the centre console switches are.
So I was thinking of doing a "power-on reset" pulse that latches a relay for say 1/2 sec across the switch every time you power the car on.
Really the same way as pushing the switch every time you get in the car.
That way if you decide to use the Start/Stop you can just press the switch again.
I'm also assuming that as soon as you open the car and get in (even with a Keyless entry car) that the switch is "active" and can be turned off before you start the engine?

The only issue with power-on rest circuits using capacitors for the timing is if you power in on/off/on quickly the timing will be different.
It's probably an edge case in a car, but I've had a quick look and found a few circuits using 555's that will do consistent timing no matter how long they are on.
I've also seen a few dedicated Reset IC's around that might be better to use, might have a look.

Be interested if you can check how the switch is working and if it's active as soon as you open the car.

[DV52]

Hello Don

It's a bit hard because I don't have a car to test but I'm guessing the the Start/Stop switch is momentary not latching.
As the system seems to reset the function when you turn the car off it must be momentary - I'm guessing all the centre console switches are.
So I was thinking of doing a "power-on reset" pulse that latches a relay for say 1/2 sec across the switch every time you power the car on.
Really the same way as pushing the switch every time you get in the car.
That way if you decide to use the Start/Stop you can just press the switch again.
I'm also assuming that as soon as you open the car and get in (even with a Keyless entry car) that the switch is "active" and can be turned off before you start the engine?

The only issue with power-on rest circuits using capacitors for the timing is if you power in on/off/on quickly the timing will be different.
It's probably an edge case in a car, but I've had a quick look and found a few circuits using 555's that will do consistent timing no matter how long they are on.
I've also seen a few dedicated Reset IC's around that might be better to use, might have a look.

Be interested if you can check how the switch is working and if it's active as soon as you open the car.

AJW: OK, now I understand what you said-again my apology for the confusion.

I had omitted to emphasise in my first post that one of my objectives was to keep the component count low. In my suggested circuit, the output of the timer goes high after about 5 seconds -thereby energising the output relay/transistor (which stays energised). The process of shorting PIN #60 on the BCM has the effect of producing a negative edge after the 5 second interval (as I said, I assume that there is some type of open collector circuit in the BCM). It's the negative edge that appears to energise the S/S kill signal

Whilst my circuit keeps PIN #4 shorted, manually holding down the S/S button doesn't appear to do anything - so I don't think that it's a problem. But if you want to add a one shot pulse circuit to the output of my suggestion, then it will be a more sophisticated solution (but the component count increases - ok if you use SMD, I guess).

Cheers
Don

PS: if you do want to add the one pulse circuit, consider using a 556.

[fantomasz]

Anyone can explain how voltage method works? What this voltage limit do? It is safe to do it?

[Ryan_R]

You are changing how many volts are required (measurement) to permit the car to stop. You're not actually changing anything to do with the flow of electricity so it is quite safe. Just don't make the value lower than default as could risk a flat battery.

Imagine you come to a halt and the car has 9v available. Because 9 is more than 7 (default) and you haven't pushed the disable S/S button the car engine stops. Had you changed the value from 7 to 12 then this logic test would not pass and so the engine would remain running.

That said given the higher range of excessive values allowed I think the temperature method would be better.

[fantomasz]

In my car 2016 Golf 1.4 TSI I found another way to disable.

19 CAN Gateway
Adaptation 10

than in channel list I have DEACTIVATION OF START STOP FUNCTION CHANNEL
and i have 4 option to chose

MODE NOT ACTIVE (default)
STOP RELEASE
STOP PROHIBITION NO START REQUEST
START REQUEST
SYSTEM MANFULCTION

looks like STOP PROHIBITION NO START REQUEST and START REQUEST is working to turn of SS system.

http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f224/fantomasz/vcds.jpg (http://s48.photobucket.com/user/fantomasz/media/vcds.jpg.html)

[fantomasz]

ok, it is working until I restart the car and turning back to MODE NOT ACTIVE

[drzikzak]

Hello guys!

My name is Alex, I'm 28 and from Austria...aside from being a student of medicine, I'm a car-guy and spend every second of my leisure time on cars and technical stuff in context with that.

So I've helped myself to a VCDS interface to diagnose and code cars as I've got a lot of friends driving VAG vehicles.

Last time I came across a Golf VII 1.6 TDI of a friend of mine....he suffers from the start/stop system always shutting down the car at traffic lights and stop & go traffic, which is quite an everyday sight here.

I got myself involved and tried different ways to shut down the stop&go behaviour...but none of these suceeded...

What I've tried:

Change coding of ECU (Start&Stop not installed or disabled - don't know what it says exactly), coding of the on-board supply controlling unit (disable Start&Stop) and also tried to find adaptation bytes for "start/stop working temperature" or "voltage"...which I couldn't find at all....

Asking the German forum for advice didn't give me more than a locked topic in the forum and a friendly message that no one would explain to me how I could threaten my car's operating licence by disabling the start&stop system....

So this led me to this forum...I hope you will be able to help me getting this task solved...

Thanks in advance!


Regards,

Alex

[DV52]

Hello guys!

My name is Alex, I'm 28 and from Austria...aside from being a student of medicine, I'm a car-guy and spend every second of my leisure time on cars and technical stuff in context with that.

So I've helped myself to a VCDS interface to diagnose and code cars as I've got a lot of friends driving VAG vehicles.

Last time I came across a Golf VII 1.6 TDI of a friend of mine....he suffers from the start/stop system always shutting down the car at traffic lights and stop & go traffic, which is quite an everyday sight here.

I got myself involved and tried different ways to shut down the stop&go behaviour...but none of these suceeded...

What I've tried:

Change coding of ECU (Start&Stop not installed or disabled - don't know what it says exactly), coding of the on-board supply controlling unit (disable Start&Stop) and also tried to find adaptation bytes for "start/stop working temperature" or "voltage"...which I couldn't find at all....

Asking the German forum for advice didn't give me more than a locked topic in the forum and a friendly message that no one would explain to me how I could threaten my car's operating licence by disabling the start&stop system....

So this led me to this forum...I hope you will be able to help me getting this task solved...

Thanks in advance!


Regards,

Alex

Alex: Hallo und herzlich willkommen im Forum

It's good to meet someone (your friend) who despises Start Stop (SS) as much as me (and I hate it with a vengeance)! I've said before on numerous forums that IMO it's the most dangerous facility in a motor vehicle. I'm not particularly into conspiracy theories, but if I were, I would view SS as a cunning and sinister "sleeper function" (IMO) - being cleverly disguised as a climate saving feature!

So yes -I urge you to remove the function from your friend's car as quickly as possible!

OK - now to the techo bit! As you have discovered, SS is intimately entwined into lots of control modules on a mk7. On some VAG vehicles there is a "virtual master switch" to disable SS, but I do not believe that this is the case on MQB platform vehicles (I would be very happy to be proven wrong). If you try to disable the facility on one module, an error appears on multiple other modules. Pursuing this approach is the delicious futility of an impossible task - so my suggestion is, don't persevere with this technique!

Instead, I invite you to consider the following two alternatives:
First, you could implement the more simple VCDS cable tweak (HERE (http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/f197/disable-stop-start-vcds-tweak-94276-post1032492.html#post1032492)). All these tweaks work by tricking the SS system into believing that some aspect of the car isn't able to support switching-off the engine; the temperature method does this by indicating that the temperature is too high and the voltage method does the same thing by indicating that the battery voltage is too low. Unfortunately, when if you implement the VCDS tweak, there will be a "tell" on the MFD whenever the car stops: what happens is that the MFD will display an "A" with a slash. This indicates that SS is active, but that it isn't able to engage because some aspect of the car prohibits the function. If you interrogate this "error", the MENU screen will display the first line in the picture below

http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2016/11/hK8DDU7png-1.jpg


Second, you could implement the "physical" solution: the SS auto kill switch. This involves building and installing a simple electronic device that I designed about a year ago. I've been using this device since then and it has never failed - every time that I turn-on the ignition, 5 seconds later SS is automatically disabled and I can re-engage the facility if I want later in the journey - not that I have ever done this! There is no "MFD tell" with this solution -all that the driver sees is the illumination of the LED indicator on the SS button on the center console. The instructions for my kill-switch are HERE (http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/f197/golf-mk7-auto-start-stop-disable-switch-who-wants-help-108932-post1154903.html#post1154903).


Don

[drzikzak]

Hello Don!

At first, let me thank you for the warm-hearted welcoming!

I've searched a lot for a solution and the simplest way to silence the Start/Stop system seems to be the voltage or temperature tweak...

That's what I've actually tried, but entering the CAN-Gateway control unit and having a look into adaption....offers me a sheer incountable amount of options in the drop-down menu...but none of those about start/stop voltage or temperature?!

I wouldn't totally rule out that I could have overlooked it among the hundreds of entries...

So voltage and temperature should be quite on top of all the entries - am I right?

Could it be that the values looked for aren't there at all or at another position in the list? So is it possible that this special car or engine type doesn't support the feature to knock down start/stop via VCDS?


Thanks a lot!

Regards,

Alex

[DV52]

Hello Don!

At first, let me thank you for the warm-hearted welcoming!

I've searched a lot for a solution and the simplest way to silence the Start/Stop system seems to be the voltage or temperature tweak...

That's what I've actually tried, but entering the CAN-Gateway control unit and having a look into adaption....offers me a sheer incountable amount of options in the drop-down menu...but none of those about start/stop voltage or temperature?!

I wouldn't totally rule out that I could have overlooked it among the hundreds of entries...

So voltage and temperature should be quite on top of all the entries - am I right?

Could it be that the values looked for aren't there at all or at another position in the list? So is it possible that this special car or engine type doesn't support the feature to knock down start/stop via VCDS?


Thanks a lot!

Regards,

Alex

Alex: I'm surprised that you can't find the adaptation channels in the Gateway module. Of course, your friend's car might not have both the temperature and voltagr channels, but it should have one of these.

In the hope that it helps, I took the following screen shots using the latest RT software from the Gateway module on my test bench set-up (it's my "virtual" mk7) which only has the temperature channels:

http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2016/12/0piAqQTpng-1.jpg

Notice the relative position of the pull-down box on the RHS of the picture.

But the better method for finding adaptation channels is to use the "search" box. Just enter the word "temperature" and you should get the two channels when you press the pull-down arrow (see picture below). If you don't have the temperature channels, search for the term "voltage".

http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2016/12/0DNyloipng-1.jpg

Don

[lonn2se]

Thanks for this useful start stop tips. It works fine in my mk7 golf. Any idea how it can been done in my VW caddy 2016?

[DV52]

Thanks for this useful start stop tips. It works fine in my mk7 golf. Any idea how it can been done in my VW caddy 2016?

lonn2se: hi - Alas the 2016 Caddy is built on a PQ35 platform (it's not MQB like the mk7). If you can't find anything specific for the Caddy, try searching for the same tweak for the Beetle, Jetta, Scirocco which share the same platform

Don

[gaucho]

Disable Start/Stop (Bluemotion) on Golf mkVII - VCDS tweak
.

can anyone confirm me if I can do that with 12.12 VCDS?

[DV52]

can anyone confirm me if I can do that with 12.12 VCDS?

^^^ Gaucho: That's a very disappointing question since it strongly suggests that you are using a fake cable!

So - the only correct answer has to be to either update the software to Ross-Tech's latest version (which is ver16.8.4) - if you are using a genuine RT cable. Otherwise - throw the fake cable into the rubbish bin (because that's where it belongs) and stop supporting the trade of Intellectual-Property theft! Buyers of fake cables are as complicit as are sellers in this fraud!

Don

[Flipper Dog]

can anyone confirm me if I can do that with 12.12 VCDS?

Only if you are using Windows XP

[kickdown]

Hello guys,

Today after fiddling a little bit with my 2016 Seat Ibiza TDI DSG I was able to SUCCESSFULLY and PERMANENTLY disable Start-Stop system.

Note: This solutions is not the vwwatercooled.com temperature or voltage method!!! Despite their effectiveness, I don't want to risk my car electronics with such "hacks".
Note 2: This is tried on 2016 Seat Ibiza, but the Skoda Fabia/Octavia and other VAG's should be virtually the same.
Note 3: Please carry out any modifications and coding AT YOUR OWN RISK!!!. I will not be held responsible for any damage of the vehicle and I am just giving you the steps.

The tools needed:
VCDS Release 16.8.3 or higher version + compatible OBD II CAN Enabled cable. (You can buy them @Ross-Tech)

The steps to disabling start-stop system:

1. Enter 19-CAN Gateway
2. Click on Coding-07
3. Click on Long Coding Helper
4. Change Byte 3, Bit 2-3 (Drop down menu) from 04 Start/Stop System with Recuperation installed [PR-7L6] to 08 Start/Stop System NOT installed [PR-7L3]
http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2016/12/851490_fr-2.jpg (http://picbg.net/pic.php?u=59648G3ywQ&i=851490)
5.Change Byte 4, Bit 0 to 0
http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2016/12/851499_fr-2.jpg (http://picbg.net/pic.php?u=59648G3ywQ&i=851499)
6.Change Byte 15, Bit 0 to 0
http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2016/12/851504_fr-2.jpg (http://picbg.net/pic.php?u=59648G3ywQ&i=851504)


7. Click on Exit - top left hand corner

8. Click on Do it!

Voila you are done!

I would be really happy if you can report your success stories with Fabia, Octavia and other last gen VAG cars. Also I would be happy to post it to other forums, by citing my nick as a credit @kickdown

Any questions I am on site! http://www.briskoda.net/forums/public/style_emoticons/default/emoticon-0100-smile.gif

[Ryan_R]

The only 'risk' with the temperature method as far as I can tell is that if you car ever actually is >255 degrees C, your Start/Stop system will function. But nice to have another option.

Hopefully one day we find out a code change that leaves the system disabled by default but operational on a press of the button. Fortunately the location of that button is far less annoying in the Audi than in the Golf (imo).

[DV52]

Hello guys,

Today after fiddling a little bit with my 2016 Seat Ibiza TDI DSG I was able to SUCCESSFULLY and PERMANENTLY disable Start-Stop system.

Note: This solutions is not the vwwatercooled.com temperature or voltage method!!! Despite their effectiveness, I don't want to risk my car electronics with such "hacks".
Note 2: This is tried on 2016 Seat Ibiza, but the Skoda Fabia/Octavia and other VAG's should be virtually the same.
Note 3: Please carry out any modifications and coding AT YOUR OWN RISK!!!. I will not be held responsible for any damage of the vehicle and I am just giving you the steps.

The tools needed:
VCDS Release 16.8.3 or higher version + compatible OBD II CAN Enabled cable. (You can buy them @Ross-Tech)

The steps to disabling start-stop system:

1. Enter 19-CAN Gateway
2. Click on Coding-07
3. Click on Long Coding Helper
4. Change Byte 3, Bit 2-3 (Drop down menu) from 04 Start/Stop System with Recuperation installed [PR-7L6] to 08 Start/Stop System NOT installed [PR-7L3]
http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2016/12/851490_fr-1.jpg (http://picbg.net/pic.php?u=59648G3ywQ&i=851490)
5.Change Byte 4, Bit 0 to 0
http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2016/12/851499_fr-1.jpg (http://picbg.net/pic.php?u=59648G3ywQ&i=851499)
6.Change Byte 15, Bit 0 to 0
http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2016/12/851504_fr-1.jpg (http://picbg.net/pic.php?u=59648G3ywQ&i=851504)


7. Click on Exit - top left hand corner

8. Click on Do it!

Voila you are done!

I would be really happy if you can report your success stories with Fabia, Octavia and other last gen VAG cars. Also I would be happy to post it to other forums, by citing my nick as a credit @kickdown

Any questions I am on site! http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/

kickdown: well done - just so I'm clear, have you tried this successfully on a Golf Mk7? Second question - what about all the adaptation channels in the other control modules (including the CAN Gateway) that were set as if SS was active?? I've not done an exhaustive search, but here are some that I found easily (I'm sure there will be others).

http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2017/01/wLoMN20png-2.jpg

Third question- what the SS settings for the coding on the other control modules - like Byte 8, Bit 4 on the HV AC modue @ address hex 08?

Don

[DV52]

The only 'risk' with the temperature method as far as I can tell is that if you car ever actually is >255 degrees C, your Start/Stop system will function. But nice to have another option.

Only risk with temperature/voltage method is the "tell" on the MFD every time that the car stops (the dreaded "A" symbol with a slash!)

Hopefully kickdown's method is good on a mk7 - and hopefully someone with a mk7 will confirm its fault-free operation (with all systems running)!!



Hopefully one day we find out a code change that leaves the system disabled by default but operational on a press of the button. Fortunately the location of that button is far less annoying in the Audi than in the Golf (imo).

Narrh......... best way is to install my easy-to-build Automatic SS kill switch! It hasn't missed a beat in over 12 months operation - every time ignition is turned-on, SS is automatically turned off - no hassles, no mess, no coding changes - just blissfully ignore the entire issue of SS!

Don

[ferret vrs]

@hprs230 we should give this a crack !


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[by_rom]

Hello guys.

New release vcds 17 and now new option - official disable fu!!!ing ss on seat ibiza 2017 1.0 tsi dsg



http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2017/04/8766651cde5c90f7-3.jpg

[DV52]

Hello guys.

New release vcds 17 and now new option - official disable fu!!!ing ss on seat ibiza 2017 1.0 tsi dsg



http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2017/04/8766651cde5c90f7-3.jpg



by_rom: Alas, there ain't nothing new about this facility -it's not something that was introduced in "New release vcds 17 and now new option".

One of our colleagues here had this to report about the function on 3rd January 2015 in response to my suggestion that it might be a useful alternate to both the "temperature" and "voltage" methods for disabling SS (see post #22 of this thread)




Disable Start/Stop (Bluemotion) on Golf mkVII - VCDS tweak
EDIT: If you have a Mk7 Golf R then you could have Acc/Start Auth. Control module fitted to your car (address 05, HW:5Q0-959-435)
This controller has only one adaptation channel whose sole function is disabling Stop/Start. The adaptation channel descriptor is Deactivation of start-stop function and default setting is not active. Change this to active



Hey mate, trying to disable the start-stop but changing the above setting just constantly sets itself back to not active................................. :facepalm:

[gaucho]

Disable Start/Stop (Bluemotion) on Golf mkVII - VCDS tweak

The following two methods can be used to permanently disable Start/Stop (SS) on a Golf mk7:
(1) Temperature Method, or

(2) Voltage Method (as an alternative to the Temperature Method)

From feedback that I have received from forum members (thanks jonoz and Fontana), it appears that the Voltage method is applicable to later "MY" models and the Temperature method can be used on earlier "MY" models (i.e. my13 in my case)

Before proceeding with this tweak, consideration should be given to any legal and environemtal factors that may result when disabling this facility.

(1) Temperature Method
These instructions were sourced from the Golfmk7.com site. Grateful acknowledgement to the author "Allenlin" who has said that the VCDS tweak was developed on a 103TDI. Allenlin has produced a short video which shows that SS has been disabled (see the link below) I have implemented this tweak on my mkVII, and I can vouch that it works.

Video: Start/Stop disabled-Golf mkVII (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cjphcp9o8xg&feature=youtu.be)
Allenlin instructions:

1. Enter 19-CAN Gateway

http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/

2.Click on Adaptation-10

http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/

3. From drop-down channel list select (1)-Start/Stopp Auntemperaturvorgabe-Minimaltemperatur (it's almost at end of channel list)


In New value box, enter 50 (default stored value = -50.0)
Click Do it! tab
Click Add to Log to save a copy of the change


http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/

4.From drop-down channel list select (2)-Start/Stopp Auntemperaturvorgabe-Maximaltemperatur (it's almost at end of channel list)


In New value box, enter 50 (default stored value = -50.0)
Click Do it! tab
Click Add to Log to save a copy of the change


http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/


(2) Voltage Method (alternative)

The voltage method is not available to all mk7 models (my own my13 vehicle will not allow access to the Adaptation channel below). However, I have confirmed (by viewing the Adaptation Control Map for Address hex19) that this method is available for the my14 model.

Instructions

1. Enter 19-CAN Gateway (see screen shot above)

2. Click on Adaptation (see screen shot above)

3. From drop down channel list, select Start/Stop start voltage limit (it's about 60% down the channel list)


In New value box, enter 12 (default stored value = 7.6V) Note: forums report that a value greater than 10V will work for this tweak - maximum permissible value =12.1V
Click Do it! tab
Click Add to Log to save a copy of the change

http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/attachments/f197/10972-disable-stop-start-vcds-tweak-disable-ss_volt-png


EDIT: If you have a Mk7 Golf R then you could have Acc/Start Auth. Control module fitted to your car (address 05, HW:5Q0-959-435)
This controller has only one adaptation channel whose sole function is disabling Stop/Start. The adaptation channel descriptor is Deactivation of start-stop function and default setting is not active. It may be possible to change this setting to active (untested).
I've had two replies from forum members about changing the setting on this control module (thanks jonoz and fontana). Both have advised that they were unable to gain access to this module.

are those still the best method for disabling start-stop in 2014 MK7 1.4 TDI Golfs ?

[by_rom]

2 DV52 Thanks. My apologies. You are right.

[gaucho]

I can confirme the voltage method works with 12.12 vcds and golf mk7 2014 1.4 TDI.

[The 10th Doctor]

kickdown: well done - just so I'm clear, have you tried this successfully on a Golf Mk7? Second question - what about all the adaptation channels in the other control modules (including the CAN Gateway) that were set as if SS was active?? I've not done an exhaustive search, but here are some that I found easily (I'm sure there will be others).

Third question- what the SS settings for the coding on the other control modules - like Byte 8, Bit 4 on the HV AC modue @ address hex 08?

Don

I have tried this and it doesn't stop S/S. There's a few other places where S/S installed is mentioned in long coding so I might try unticking them as well.

[Yani]

Hello, i have one question. It is possible to set as a default value (when car starts for the first time) the start stop function as disabled (the button light is turn on). I would like to go on this method since are times when i want to use the function so I would not permanently disable the function. Thanks :)

[Yani]

forget it :) as long as i understand the only method is the DV52 method (nice job by the way) or with a special module. I thought that this would be possible with VCDS

[CraigR]

Hi all - I have disabled stop/start via the app on obdeleven. Was just wondering if it would be possible to have the stop/start active in eco mode only?

[DV52]

^^^^^^^^ hmm.......... I'm fairly certain (almost certain) that it's not possible with the VCDS/OBD11/VCP tweaks (both "voltage" and "temperature" methods) to distinguish between "eco" and normal modes.

Remember that these tweaks are "hacks" really that fool the car into believing that SS shouldn't be engaged - they have absolutely zero sophistication!

Don

PS: but I'm happy to be proven wrong

[CraigR]

Cheers Don, I thought that may be the case - would be a good mod though.

[jimmyjames]

I'm amazed that people still try to defeat SSS by tweaking software, paying for OBD dongles etc.

I installed a custom made "DV52 Device" over two years ago and it has performed without fault and is instantly re-energised by hitting the button.

The DV52 device simply reverses the logic of the SSS so that it is set to "OFF" on start and can be set back on when required.

Without doubt the best solution so far.

[DreamensioN]

I'm amazed that people still try to defeat SSS by tweaking software, paying for OBD dongles etc.

I installed a custom made "DV52 Device" over two years ago and it has performed without fault and is instantly re-energised by hitting the button.

The DV52 device simply reverses the logic of the SSS so that it is set to "OFF" on start and can be set back on when required.

Without doubt the best solution so far.

What is this device and where can I get one? I want to do this on my Arteon. Stop/Start is annoying as fk.

[Rocket36]

What is this device and where can I get one? I want to do this on my Arteon. Stop/Start is annoying as fk.

+1 on this... What is it, where do I get it and how to I install it?

[DV52]

^^^^ Haha - Jimmyjames is a friend and I suspect that some of his praise for my device is perhaps motivated by our long time acquaintance!!! But thanks anyhow Jim :rolleyes:

As for details about the handy-dandy Automatic Start/Stop Kill switch it looks like this:

http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2018/02/CQWDmk8jpg1-1.jpg

DIY construction is easy and fitment is also very simple. The parts are readily available and cheap and the entire instructions can be found HERE (http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/f197/golf-mk7-auto-start-stop-disable-switch-who-wants-help-108932.html#post1154903)

Don

PS: DreamensioN- the Kill switch was designed to suit a mk7 and I'm not sure if your Arteon is wired the same. The thing that's important to check is that one side of the native SS disable switch (it's installed on the center console on a Golf mk7) is earthed. Please confirm that this is so - if not you might need to use my alternative design

[Rocket36]

Thanks for the reply but you lost me at "DIY construction" lol.