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Water Boy
01-10-2007, 08:24 PM
Ok Dubbers,

If u want to set a Mk3 (non-VR6) up for track use can u guys shout out a few ideas... Who makes what sways bars, coilovers packages etc... And costs links what ever... I would like to get a list together and som of your ideas for when i get my Mk3...

Cheers James

rayray086
01-10-2007, 09:45 PM
I'm currently going to run Koni struts with Ground Control sleeves running 300/250 lb F/R Eibach springs. They will be height adjustable from 0"-2.5" so they will be ideal for street and/or track. They're being sent from America right now; I have heard from many sources that they are great on the autocross as you can custom order the spring rates. Eibach makes them specifically for the GC kit. The Konis are damper adjustable.

I'll be getting a Neuspeed rear sway bar from Rennenhaus (http://www.rennenhaus.com.au) - I'm holding this off until some time next year. I've been quoted in the high $300 range for the 25mm one. There's also a 28mm available. They come with drop links and polyurethane bushings for their joints and are three-step adjustable (from 288-376 lb quoted from website). Neuspeed has front sway bars as well, but I'm thinking of just using the standard sway bar.

I've got an Eibach flat strut bar waiting in my room to go on. Picked it up for a very good price from Steve. Waiting til I can be bothered relocating the coolant bottle before I fit it on. Not expecting much difference with it on though, but it looks awesome haha.

I don't know what to do with the bushings and mounts. I might just use the stock ones as the car's a daily driver. The car has yet to see the track/skidpan but I'd like to have a go at autocross!

MattyT
01-10-2007, 10:50 PM
One word: STaSIS j:

Perhaps another two to go with it: Bank Robbery.

In all seriousness though, I'm researching this myself but for a Mk3 VR6. So far nuespeed sway + strut bars, KW coilover suspension and possibly prothane bushings are the go. Not sure with the bushes though. Must research more.

peedman
01-10-2007, 10:53 PM
What about brakes too? I know after a run at the mountains the stock brakes arent up to much. Even new rotors and pads wouldnt hurt but a vr6 brake swap would be ideal and easy to do.

MattyT
01-10-2007, 10:58 PM
Brakes?

DBA Slotted rotors + Ferodo DS2500 pads. They'll suffice for your weekend warrior track days.

Water Boy
02-10-2007, 08:15 PM
What about brakes too? I know after a run at the mountains the stock brakes arent up to much. Even new rotors and pads wouldnt hurt but a vr6 brake swap would be ideal and easy to do.

Thats under control mate :D

rayray086
02-10-2007, 08:40 PM
I got my GC sleeves today. Will be installing them this weekend ; )

http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2007/10/CIMG7719-1.jpg

http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2007/10/CIMG7723-1.jpg

http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2007/10/CIMG7725-1.jpg

http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2007/10/CIMG7722-1.jpg

Water Boy
02-10-2007, 09:42 PM
Very nice for sure... That is some dub porn rite there... :D

vwthunder
02-10-2007, 09:49 PM
I just put some KW's in, and will also order a 25mm Neuspeed bar. They are not that expensive and the Aussie dollar is doing so well.

Did control arm bushes and also need to do tie rod ends.
Dont think there is that much more I can do, it comes down to getting it set up right, which I am having a real hard time finding someone who knows what they are doing.

Getting onto the brakes, if it is not a VR6, well your not going to be going that quickly lol. Why dont you look at putting VR6 brakes on it, means you will have to change to a 5X100 stud pattern. So many people wrecking VR6's on here

rayray086
02-10-2007, 09:56 PM
Exactly what I'm doing right now hehe. My head was thinking more towards the 5 lug pattern than the better stopping power though when I first got them.

KI11Z
03-10-2007, 03:20 AM
if its any use, my old vr6 brakes were smokin many a mountin run and twice ended up with literally no brakes due to heat fade!! if u upgrade your brakes go after market, especially if your gunna track it! theres plenty of 4 stud upgrades out there . . . :cool:

DubSteve
03-10-2007, 09:55 AM
At the moment I have the KW V2 on the car, I am also looking into front and rear strut bars aswell as sways, but haven't found the right sway bars that I want, and also my money tree needs to grow a little more :D

At the moment I have slottled 288mm disks, however I am considering on going to the 312mm brake kits, alot more stopping power and I have seen them on another vr6 they don't look bad! However I don't want to lose the slotted look its awesome:D

There is a point where it can be too much, I recently did the Wisemans ferry run and I was infront of a Audi A4 Quattro2T the whole time, he struggled to keep up with me once I hit the corners coming out more efficient and with pace to spare. This was just with the coilovers set to a little stiffer than medium (quarter turn).

Water Boy
03-10-2007, 08:02 PM
For sway bars u would rin a 28mm on the back but what size on the front?

Also where do u get Neuspeed bars cheap? :confused:

vwthunder
03-10-2007, 08:52 PM
At MJM Autohaus the 25mm one is 234.95

As you said which is better to get the 25mm or 28mm?

Opinions

rayray086
03-10-2007, 09:26 PM
Generally a stiffer sway bar would mean a stiffer chassis, reducing the amount of weight transfer when going through a corner. This makes for more predictable control over your car, and I'd take a good guess that that's what you want in a race-spec car. However, this would also result in harsher ride quality, so a really thick sway bar would generally be undesireable in a street car.

Neuspeed is American-based, and the only Australian distributor I know of is Rennenhaus (http://www.rennenhaus.com.au/) in Newcastle. You can purchase direct from Neuspeed and have them ship it over but something of that size would be bloody expensive. I talked to Ian (ian.cudmore@rennenhaus.com.au) from Rennenhaus and he has given me a rough price of $389AUD not inc. GST pick-up from European Autotech (http://www.europeanautotech.com.au/).

On another note, shaneth is organising a group buy on Whiteline sway bars. Pedro expressed interest for the Mk3 rear sway bar, and found out that they have 22mm adjustable ones. The price though is $190 + $20 shipping, which is essentially half the price of the Neuspeed sway bar. I'd really want a 25mm or even 28mm but I just can't ignore the pricing of the Whiteline sway bar...

vwthunder
03-10-2007, 10:12 PM
People say the Whiteline ones dont fit
They give you the wrong size brackets, is this true, I have heard bad things about their quality

MattyT
03-10-2007, 10:25 PM
Did control arm bushes and also need to do tie rod ends.
Dont think there is that much more I can do, it comes down to getting it set up right, which I am having a real hard time finding someone who knows what they are doing.

What bushes did you use? Stockies or aftermarket??

Yes I too have heard this about whiteline sway bars!

Recently I spoke to a Matt Cook at superior suspensions in Sydney, he seemed to know a heap about Mk3 VR6 setup. If you want, pm me and i'll give you his email addy.

vwthunder
03-10-2007, 11:04 PM
I did stock ones for the Control arm bushes.
They had to take the sump out to get them in, is this true?
The bloody things are really noisy, dont know why they squeak.

I am having problems with my front as it rubs going around sharp corners, I am using KW's, cant seem to get enough camber on the fronts
Pedders set it up, and they said they could only get -0.4 on the right side and -1.0 on the left, it is the right side that rubs the most

I was told I should put camber bolts in, does anyone know if I should be able to get more negative than -0.4

rayray086
03-10-2007, 11:24 PM
I was told I should put camber bolts in, does anyone know if I should be able to get more negative than -0.4

I quote this from Whiteline in that they stock camber bolts that provide +/- 1.5 degrees of camber.

MattyT
04-10-2007, 12:23 AM
...Pedders set it up...

This appears to be your problem.

Go to a real suspension place, preferably one with experience in FWD, vw golf and/or race setups.

KI11Z
04-10-2007, 03:16 AM
Generally a stiffer sway bar would mean a stiffer chassis, reducing the amount of weight transfer when going through a corner. This makes for more predictable control over your car, and I'd take a good guess that that's what you want in a race-spec car. However, this would also result in harsher ride quality, so a really thick sway bar would generally be undesireable in a street car. . . .

I ditto this comment however your spring rates will be the factor in how comfy your ride is, not so much your sway bar. from what i gather if you were to purchase the 28mm bar you wouldnt need to rely on your springs as much to keep your car from rolling during corners and thus you can choose a lower spring rate which wont be as harsh under normal straight driving; and visa versa . . . as is mentioned just above, get down to any motorsport involved companies/shops and question them about itm and if possible have them set it up for you . . .

Water Boy
04-10-2007, 08:35 PM
Check this stuff :D

http://www.autotech.com/prod_susp_swybars.htm#MK3

Opinions :rolleyes:

Water Boy
04-10-2007, 08:41 PM
And this

http://www.autotech.com/prod_susp_suspbush.htm#Mk3

rayray086
04-10-2007, 09:24 PM
I've heard good things from Americans about Autotech's products!

MattyT
22-10-2007, 10:41 PM
So water boy, what did u decide on?

Water Boy
23-10-2007, 06:28 PM
So water boy, what did u decide on?

Use standard legs with Koni inserts with adjustable bump and compression and Koni 2 way springs... Fully adjustable.... Around $3300

I got to pay for my panel work first :rolleyes:

FknDubbin
25-10-2007, 07:16 PM
For that price you can get KW V3's fitted and have your car counter balanced...

Water Boy
27-10-2007, 03:08 PM
For that price you can get KW V3's fitted and have your car counter balanced...

Sorry that price includes, poly bushes all round, camber kit and front bar....

MattyT
27-10-2007, 04:28 PM
What poly bushes did u get?

rayray086
27-10-2007, 06:39 PM
Use standard legs with Koni inserts with adjustable bump and compression and Koni 2 way springs... Fully adjustable.... Around $3300

Who's doing your stuff?

golf3
27-10-2007, 07:08 PM
Use standard legs with Koni inserts with adjustable bump and compression and Koni 2 way springs... Fully adjustable.... Around $3300

James...
I'd suggest the KW v2, height and damper adjustable. Rear sway bar, and poly's i guess...

As for brakes, use vr6 280mm calipers and carriers with Seat Cupra 4x100 280mm rotors, and you're set.

You could do all that for under $3k if you shop right... :)

SEAN.

Water Boy
28-10-2007, 07:42 PM
Who's doing your stuff?

Toper Performance in Vermont :D

Water Boy
28-10-2007, 07:44 PM
What poly bushes did u get?

http://www.autotech.com/prod_susp_suspbush.htm#Mk3

These guys are doing me poly everything and cmaber pins and caster kit etc...


Eamil them and they are really helpful, cheap post etc... :D

Water Boy
28-10-2007, 07:45 PM
James...
I'd suggest the KW v2, height and damper adjustable. Rear sway bar, and poly's i guess...

As for brakes, use vr6 280mm calipers and carriers with Seat Cupra 4x100 280mm rotors, and you're set.

You could do all that for under $3k if you shop right... :)

SEAN.

I wont be racist but Dad will only run Koni and u know what he's like :rolleyes:

FknDubbin
28-10-2007, 10:24 PM
I wont be racist but Dad will only run Koni and u know what he's like :rolleyes:

Your dad needs to think a bit outside the box then hahaha!

rayray086
28-10-2007, 11:09 PM
Koni's are still good :)

KI11Z
29-10-2007, 12:30 AM
yeh koni's r good, but aint up there like they used t be i reckon . . . but in saying that, you def wont be dissapointed with'em :D

Water Boy
29-10-2007, 06:49 PM
Koni is 5 mins up the road and they guys there have been helping my ol man out for over 20 years so i think i cant go wrong :)