Stiff competition for the Mk7 Golf GTI - Second Edition

[AdamD]

Following on from the http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/f197/stiff-competition-mk7-golf-gti-first-edition-69132.html thread, we have a whole host of new options on the market now, or soon to be released into Australia.

Based on these new offerings, which new hot hatch (or coupe) will you be spending your money on?

[alebonau]

merc a250 for me, waiting for a test drive but so far seems a good move from my m6 gti :)

[Ryan_R]

Without thinking too much about cost I'd go for the new S3 first, then Golf R or GTI (pending reviews). If I had to go other brands I'd probably look at the Focus ST and Astra (don't like the Opel interior though), or otherwise a BRZ/86 (hopefully with more power then-available). Although Jeremy didn't seem to mind.

http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2013/02/tumblr_mi160uJQ8z1rse8iro1_500gif-3.jpg

[cktsi]

The poll results may change depending on final specs and pricing for the Mark 7. I think a tad too early, but i voted anyway based on what i know right now and assume about the GTI and golf R rather than what it actually will be.

It would be interesting to see the breakdown of those who voted whether they have had significant problems with their mk5 or mk6 Golfs.

I for one have been bitten too much to want a third Golf, as much as i still think a supercharger and turbo is the freakin coolest engine ever made!

Btw Ryan_R... Like your animated GIF :) :thumbsup:

[pologti18t]

Are the next Clio RS and Pug 208GTI considered hot hatches?

[Diesel_vert]

Are the next Clio RS and Pug 208GTI considered hot hatches?

Yes, although they are from the next class down, so their natural competitors would include (hot versions of) the Audi A1, Citroen DS3, Ford Fiesta ST, Mini Cooper S, Opel Corsa OPC, Skoda Fabia RS, VW Polo GTI, and so forth.

[alebonau]

The poll results may change depending on final specs and pricing for the Mark 7. I think a tad too early, but i voted anyway based on what i know right now and assume about the GTI and golf R rather than what it actually will be.

It would be interesting to see the breakdown of those who voted whether they have had significant problems with their mk5 or mk6 Golfs.

~

my mk6 gti been rock solid :)

[Dutch77]

I thought long and hard on my vote, but at this stage I think I'm still in the VW GTI/R camp.

As above I've got a feeling we may see some sharper pricing and/or more highly specced Mk7s simply because M-Benz has forced their hand and I would also expect other brands to follow suit.

At the end of the day it will still come down to a drive of the vehicles concerned, but for those who can't wait for the Mk7 then the A250 seems to be a good choice.

I just wonder whether that design will still look good a few years down the track, I feel confident that the Golfs will (personal bias aside); it just seems to have certain elements of Hyundai in it - not the actual design, more the vibe behind it (ok now I'm channeling Dennis Denuto). I thought the i40 looked great when it was released, today it just looks a little tired.

If we can drop money from the equation then the S3 would get a look.. although under that measure so does the A45 which seems like a deranged bit of work.

[dsuhiti]

My next car will be RWD, so I have settled mostly on a 370Z or a 135i. However, if I were to go hot hatch (I have had 2 and love them) I would put the Astra OPC first, I have driven it and its an awesome machine. Second would be a battle between GTI and Megane, probably the GTI though, the Renault would be hard to live with day to day.

[alebonau]

yawn, definitely not golf gti competition, not sure why I thought would ever be !
Drive - Hyundai i30 SR hot hatch (http://theage.drive.com.au/motor-news/hyundai-confirms-i30-hot-hatch-20130215-2ehux.html)

more luke warm than hot hatch !

[Ryan_R]

If you've seen the latest TopGear, you would've seen Jeremy amazed by the new Astra VXR (besides the Vauxhall brand-name), not so impressed with the Focus ST (trackwise), and only enjoyed the handling characteristics of the Megane (didn't like the lack of equipment/price, seatbelt, and lack of straight-line power). In fact he was more glowing in his review of the new Kia Cee'd.

If you know your way around torrents you can find the episode here: FinalGear.com :: Shows :: Top Gear :: Season 19 :: Episode 4 (http://www.finalgear.com/shows/topgear/19/4/)

[Dutch77]

yawn, definitely not golf gti competition, not sure why I thought would ever be !
Drive - Hyundai i30 SR hot hatch (http://theage.drive.com.au/motor-news/hyundai-confirms-i30-hot-hatch-20130215-2ehux.html)

more luke warm than hot hatch !

Agreed, but for those that can't stretch the budget.. at least they're having a crack unlike most of their competition. I'd pick this over a Veloster.

I note they hint there could be a two tier warm (hot) hatch structure, with this being the lower of the two. I'm guessing the turbo from the Veloster might be option two? Trouble is the i30 weighs more than the Veloster and that thing is about 1.5 secs too slow in its 100 kay sprint as it is.

[jrgti]

On paper the Merc looks good however I am confident it's dct is no match for the dct of the vw/audi group. Currently have a GTI myself, and it is good to see the rise in other competing hatches.
Hope to see more competitive pricing or packages from VW/Audi for the R/A3quattro respectively because if I do upgrade it should be AWD. But then again I could just go get the upcoming Tiguan with 4motion.

[alebonau]

First drive: Volvo V40 T5 R-Design (http://theage.drive.com.au/motor-news/new-car-review-volvo-v40-t5-rdesign-20130219-2ep9e.html)

the volvo v40 T5-R which is apparently the gti rival from volvo. not really clear on overall pricing and whether that $50k plus price comes with all the goodies the merc a250 comes with.

good there is another option :)

[Lemonskin]

Don't forget the Volvo V40 T5 R Design... Looks the goods.
First drive: Volvo V40 T5 R-Design (http://news.drive.com.au/drive/motor-news/new-car-review-volvo-v40-t5-rdesign-20130219-2ep9e.html)

[Lemonskin]

First drive: Volvo V40 T5 R-Design (http://theage.drive.com.au/motor-news/new-car-review-volvo-v40-t5-rdesign-20130219-2ep9e.html)

the volvo v40 T5-R which is apparently the gti rival from volvo. not really clear on overall pricing and whether that $50k plus price comes with all the goodies the merc a250 comes with.


good there is another option :)

Lol great minds...

[alebonau]

hehe

my main problem....




.... its a volvo

ps other thing suprised about the autos are conventional slush boxes. I thought volvo had access to fords dual clutch transmission. pity as doesnt seem the case with this model :(

[THE_EGG]

The fact that this too, does not have a manual option is disappointing. I use to be auto fanboi but I've found that manual is just so much more rewarding and involving compared to any auto, including dsg style boxes. Also, I thought Volvo said they weren't going to continue making cars using a 5 cylinder engine? Volvo is owned by Geely now right? So I'm guessing they won't have access to sophisticated new engines for a while. I do like the 5 cylinder engine though :cool:

And why no Astra OPC option in the multichoice vote? :O

[AdamD]

And why no Astra OPC option in the multichoice vote? :O

Typo on my part, it's there now. :) (Who cares about a GTC with only 132kw...)

[THE_EGG]

Typo on my part, it's there now. :) (Who cares about a GTC with only 132kw...)

Yeh jeez who cares about the GTC :P Thanks for adding it.

[Sharkie]

I have decided to buy a Mk7 R in a manual and 5 doors when they come out ..... Colour tbc :cool:

Nothing else compares spec wise for the price IMO, whilst I'd like a 135i it's looks puts me off and fwd will not be an option so pretty much everything else is out. S3 too expensive for what is essentially a R with a different body.

[alebonau]

the R is defiitely in a niche of its own. anything comparable from the other brands is hugely more expensive so be a great choice I reckon :)

[Lemonskin]

I actually think the Ford Focus ST looks great. Plus it's bigger so more room. I would definitely buy that or the Astra OPC if I had the money!

[Molotov]

I put my money where my mouth was and bought an 86... yet to be delivered.

[Cookie28]

I also voted 86 (although I do currently drive a MK4) this is because for me being young (only 18 atm) I would prefer something a bit more fun I guess and because I can live with the worse interior and being a less practical car (at least for now) but if I was older and I cared more about everyday comfort and practicality it would be GTI all the way for me

[DJJASE]

Drove it today at the launch, Cancelled my pre order, very disappointed. Will be buying a golf R as orinnally planned

[Molotov]

Drove it today at the launch, Cancelled my pre order, very disappointed. Will be buying a golf R as orinnally planned

Jase, very interesting. Care to elaborate?

[Lemonskin]

Wow, motoring write ups on the V40 say its electric steering sucks on the V40 T5 R Design.

[Tobes_WIR35]

Drove it today at the launch, Cancelled my pre order, very disappointed. Will be buying a golf R as orinnally planned

Drove what?

[sheckster]

Had the chance to check out a250 up close, didn't get to drive it though as I missed my allotted time, they still handed me the keys so I could turn the engine on :cool: Interior is first class, from seats to dash to controls and layout. Panoramic sunroof is pretty nice too, the screen for nav didn't seem to bad. All in all, pretty nice looking car from MB, but as all the reviews says, it's pretty cramped n the back, although my 5 yr old boy didn't mind when hopped-in and buckled himself. Then I saw an R32 on the road today and I still covet it :P

[clip]

Just test drove an a250 yesterday. Took it for really good run. Ordered one as soon as I got back. Sorry to say it, but, gearboxes aside, the 250 is just sensational, especially through the twisties. Direction changes are so fast, and just couldn't unsettle it. It was much better than I expected. I only tested as a comparison after jumping out of GTI. Did the same local run in both, where I was pushing the gti near it's limit, I barely got a tyre squeal out of the little benz. It has got a lot more bling, but it was really the handling that blew me away. Probably shouldn't have test drove it though, it has cost me lot more $$, but its going to be a whole lot of fun off the highway.

[sheckster]

Just test drove an a250 yesterday. Took it for really good run. Ordered one as soon as I got back. Sorry to say it, but, gearboxes aside, the 250 is just sensational, especially through the twisties. Direction changes are so fast, and just couldn't unsettle it. It was much better than I expected. I only tested as a comparison after jumping out of GTI. Did the same local run in both, where I was pushing the gti near it's limit, I barely got a tyre squeal out of the little benz. It has got a lot more bling, but it was really the handling that blew me away. Probably shouldn't have test drove it though, it has cost me lot more $$, but its going to be a whole lot of fun off the highway.

nice, did you option up any package? and which colour did you choose?

[clip]

nice, did you option up any package? and which colour did you choose?
yep, went with Command, the Harmon/Kardon sounds amazing. Particularly didn't want leather, so that was out, and the vis package didn't excite me that much. They had a white, red, mountain grey and blue. The mountain grey was a standout, so ordered that. Problem being delivery isn't until June :(

[sheckster]

yep, went with Command, the Harmon/Kardon sounds amazing. Particularly didn't want leather, so that was out, and the vis package didn't excite me that much. They had a white, red, mountain grey and blue. The mountain grey was a standout, so ordered that. Problem being delivery isn't until June :(

There was one in silver with command and amg pack, with a big 'sold' sign on it, so I suppose that person won't be waiting long. I asked about delivery and they did say a couple of months at least, sounds about right then I suppose.

I wonder if VW will be much the same come launch time.

[pologti18t]

I wonder if VW will be much the same come launch time.

VW would be mad if they didn't follow Mercs A250 lead and make a fairly well equipped base spec and only have a few option packs. Like Stereo upgrade, Nav upgrade, and leather. Much easier to stock a vehicle like that.

[WhiteJames]

There was one in silver with command and amg pack, with a big 'sold' sign on it, so I suppose that person won't be waiting long.That person would be one of my work collegues. He put down his deposit at the Sydney Motor Show on only seeing the Merc A250 AMG Sports Pack. He has traded his Golf GTD for the Merc and should be driving that Silver Merc + AMG Pack by tomorrow afternoon ... one of the first owner/drivers of that type of Merc in AUS. I may check it out when he brings it to work.
Cheers.
WJ

[Sharkie]

I'm sorry but at $49990 the A250 is lineball with a Golf R manual pricewise (even less for me with Corporate Plus discount). There is no way the A250 matches the R as an allrounder IMO.

Yes, pretty sure it is better than the MK6 GTI in all aspects but then in base spec its $10K more and should be better.

I'm sticking with waiting on a MK7 R for .... $49990 ....

[macdub]

can't wait to compare the mk7 GTI..was watching review of A250 on youtube and found that not much space in boot and legroom at back..also due to steep lines, the back windows look very small and feel very dark at back (i know it has panaromic sunroof but)..for space conscious people, mk7 will surely excel over a250..also i mk7 has touch screen which imo more user-friendly than the dial on a250..A250 is one sexy lookin car and am sure drives well too but still very interested to know what VW has on offer..

[Dutch77]

That space is a seller too, to me one of the benefits of hot hatches is we get to have our cake and eat it too when compared to more pure sportsters like the MX5 and Toybaru twins.

The votes are interesting so far.. clearly a lot of us are keen to stay German, although it doesn't make great reading for VW - call it 50% in the first poll if we assume a few of the others would tick GTD or Rocco, whereas that's dropped to 36%, albeit the sample size is smaller so far. Counter to that maybe is that the keenest future buyers are probably reading and voting in this thread first.

[Ryan_R]

I'm withholding my vote for now, probably a Mk7 Golf but not yet decided until I know more about it.

[Ryan41]

yep, went with Command, the Harmon/Kardon sounds amazing. Particularly didn't want leather, so that was out, and the vis package didn't excite me that much. They had a white, red, mountain grey and blue. The mountain grey was a standout, so ordered that. Problem being delivery isn't until June :(

hey mate, I test drove a black one.. loved it also .. I had a mk6 Golf R..whilst not being as quick, it certainly handled well on the road..was wet though so a fair bit of wheel spin when giving it some poke..

My question is, did you get any discount? MB were only keen to knock 1 grand off the price..I'm not real keen on paying retail for a car no matter how good it is.. might have to try another dealer?

[WhiteJames]

My work collegue tells me that parts of the interior of the A250 AMG Sport look like the're straight out of an SLS couple and/or much more expensive AMG variants. I saw an A250 diesel this morning ... the Merc does look impressive apart from the slightly long bonnet & slightly too large grill imo ... otherwise the low slung roof and sleek long lines will definitely make the VAG equivalents look a little bland.

The Merc A250 AMG Sport weighs in at about the same at the new Audi S3 (read Golf R) at 1445kgs. The Golf R would be better for all out traction & front to rear balance given the same weight, but as with all Golf's the chassis tune will no doubt be anodyne & conservative in the Golf R; perhaps moreso in the Golf R with better f to r balance than the forthcoming MK7 Golf GTI and MK7 Sirocco.

The Golf GTI MK7 with power-pack proper mech-electro LSD and lighter weight (1325kgs for DSG) are definitely advantages in favour of the GTI over both the MK7 Golf R and A250 AMG Sport.

But ... to have either Golf GTI or R provide the stated handling finese of the AMG Sport A250 (based on initial reviews) ... you'd have to spend another 2-3K in suspension upgrades with no guarantee of maintaining OE comfort levels (springs & sway bars & maybe shocks/coilovers).

If the Merc A250 AMG Sport can be de-optioned with sunroff, satnav and leather being deleted, the price should come in at base level DSG Golf GTI ... if that's possible. The Merc is definitely a looker imo.

The Merc may be the more reliable of the two when comparing VAG -v- Merc. Apparently Merc ranked 3rd out of 30-40 marqs for quality of engine reliability with much less need to replace motors. Merc had held off on a DSG for some time, perhaps to ensure that quality is up to scratch. On the other hand ... the Merc is a derivative of a Nissan-Renault-Merc alliance re: motors & chassis.

Cheers.
WJ

[dsta]

The Merc A250 AMG Sport weighs in at about the same at the new Audi S3 (read Golf R) at 1445kgs. The Golf R would be better for all out traction & front to rear balance given the same weight, but as with all Golf's the chassis tune will no doubt be anodyne & conservative in the Golf R; perhaps moreso in the Golf R with better f to r balance than the forthcoming MK7 Golf GTI and MK7 Sirocco.

The Golf GTI MK7 with power-pack proper mech-electro LSD and lighter weight (1325kgs for DSG) are definitely advantages in favour of the GTI over both the MK7 Golf R and A250 AMG Sport.


Hi WJ, would you mind please explaining in layman's terms what you mean here, by the advantage of the MK7 GTI over MK7 R? Curious as to what you're thinking (I am not that knowledgeable with suspension!).

Thanks in advance

[alebonau]

yep, went with Command, the Harmon/Kardon sounds amazing. Particularly didn't want leather, so that was out, and the vis package didn't excite me that much. They had a white, red, mountain grey and blue. The mountain grey was a standout, so ordered that. Problem being delivery isn't until June :(

seems to mirror my needs in options. thanks for your thoughts following the test drive. I know you have mentioned you a past alfa QV guilietta owner. would care to share some thoughts how that compares with some of the other contenders here ? I was close to considering one. but love to know what you think about that particular car and how compares to merc a250/golf gti :)

[clip]

hey mate, I test drove a black one.. loved it also .. I had a mk6 Golf R..whilst not being as quick, it certainly handled well on the road..was wet though so a fair bit of wheel spin when giving it some poke..

My question is, did you get any discount? MB were only keen to knock 1 grand off the price..I'm not real keen on paying retail for a car no matter how good it is.. might have to try another dealer?
No discounts being offered from what others are saying and what my dealer told me Ryan. However, they do have the equivalent to VW corp+ discount if you are eligible. That drops a few thou off, gives you 3 years free servicing and a few other things.

Agree with the handling. The sus is just so well sorted, and the steering response is sublime. The AMG guys have done an amazing job on this. As I said before, it just has tenacious grip levels while remaining composed and planted - much closer to an R drive than a GTI. The R would eat it for breakfast, but I'm not sure it's as good a setup as the a250.

The biggest issue for me with the benz is the gearbox. It's just not a dsg. The up-shifts are too slow, it just slides into gear even in sport mode. The downshifts are great though - in sport mode it blips as it changes down, and with the tuned exhaust, sounds great. It also just doesn't feel as fast as a GTI, although it is faster to 100 - tested. But I would bet my tackle that it would be slower to say 60 or 70. So if you want to drag between lights in the city, you will be disappointed -although I didn't try launch control. Problem is it's a lot faster than it feels and I reckon part of this is due to the behaviour of the gearbox. You just don't get the snappy change that pushes you back in the seat - instead it just slides into the next gear. Manual mode does seem to help this a little. I think first gear might also be a bit tall - it just doesn't seem to get off the line real fast.

To be honest, I was waiting for a MK7 GTI, although I was also negotiating on a mk6 too. But then the benz came along :facepalm: I wasn't at all sold on the looks, and while they do look better in real life, I reckon they'll date quickly. But at the end of the day, I just had such a great time in it, the most fun I've had for a while for sure. And that's what ultimately sold me on it. If only I hadn't taken one for a test drive, all would have been good :rolleyes:

[clip]

seems to mirror my needs in options. thanks for your thoughts following the test drive. I know you have mentioned you a past alfa QV guilietta owner. would care to share some thoughts how that compares with some of the other contenders here ? I was close to considering one. but love to know what you think about that particular car and how compares to merc a250/golf gti :)
Happy to share my thoughts, but please don't take any notice of them alebonau! I haven't owned the QV, but have had a few drives in one thanks to work mate who is and always will be an alfa nut. While it's light years away from the a250, TBH I did enjoy getting in it. Maybe it's an alfa thing, hard to explain, it doesn't go as well as either the 250 or the gti, doesn't handle as well, actually doesn't do anything better at all, but it does love to be thrashed! And the harder you thrash it, the more it seems to like it. So maybe the power level and dynamics are just right. You can have a ball thrashing it and not get yourself into too much trouble, which is not such a bad thing IMO. I love the look of it too- from the rear to half way up the bonnet - but then I just start vomiting.

[alebonau]

hehe thanks for the comment clip, I did drive a standard G with QV pack and TCT but never got around to drive a full QV. so intersting to read. yes theres something definitely about alfas even though they are in some way or the other not quite there ! yeah think I'll push any thoughts about it behind me....maybe one day I will own an alfa ...just not now hehe

[cktsi]

This is where VW need to stop fart arsing around, and actually give the Australian market specifications like the Highline and price it competitively.

http://www.motoring.com.au/news/prestige-and-luxury/mercedes-benz/a-class/benz-a-class-to-wedge-golf-sales-35257

We all wear the costs of extra depreciation by speccing up cars like GTI and comfortline all because the creature comforts we want are options instead of standard features. I've long been unhappy that there's no Highline Golf.

Well... MB have beaten VW to the punch in speccing a really nice 2Ltr car.

I know some people may like a stripped down R, but I'm sure there are others who for $50k even today have an "optioned up" GTI that is around that sticker price. This is where the MB starts to make sense - plus will depreciate less than the similarly specc'ed GTI.

Come on VW... start giving us customers some value here. Look how long it took VW to add bluetooth or cruise control for the Trendline !

[alebonau]

interesting article that one. I'm very thankfull mb has stocked their models pretty well. the $10k of options on my golf gti which heck isnt much thats just dsg, leather, sunroof, mdi and towbar. not like I'll see that extra spent come back at trade in time. whereas with the a250 fully loaded the command all really need to add. As the article says looks like volvo have done the same as well.

not to say vw wont do the same with the mk7 to come. they might have the stripped back model and then anotehr spec with is lot more laden. not to say a standard gti wont come lot more loaded at stock than the mk6 too. time will tell :)

by the time the golf gti mk7 lands nd in ready supply will be early next year. be an interesting time as the heat problably lifted a tad from the merc, maybe more willing to discount by then. the bmw 1 series is going to be looking a bit like yesterdays news by then too as with the opel astra. definitely be a buyers market ! be definitely plenty of stiff competition about by then !

[sheckster]

No discounts being offered from what others are saying and what my dealer told me Ryan. However, they do have the equivalent to VW corp+ discount if you are eligible. That drops a few thou off, gives you 3 years free servicing and a few other things.


Clip, are you sure the new A class is available via Corp Discount? Did you hear that directly from MB or assuming?

[sheckster]

Benz A-Class to wedge Golf sales? (http://www.carsales.com.au/news/prestige-and-luxury/mercedes-benz/a-class/benz-a-class-to-wedge-golf-sales-35257)

[clip]

Clip, are you sure the new A class is available via Corp Discount? Did you hear that directly from MB or assuming?
I just did the deal sheckster, signed, sealed -just not delivered :rolleyes:. For some reason though, they weren't too forward about it. When I mentioned it would be a deal breaker, a few calls later it was all signed up.

[alebonau]

I just did the deal sheckster, signed, sealed -just not delivered :rolleyes:. For some reason though, they weren't too forward about it. When I mentioned it would be a deal breaker, a few calls later it was all signed up.

yep was same in my case re corp deal. had to push for it !

[TuNeS]

I just drove past Centenary MB on Friday and stopped in just to look at the A250. When I saw it, I thought 'wow'. Anyway, went home that night and read some of the reviews from Europe and the journo's in Australia. Went back with my wife and our pram (had to prove it would fit) to view again and take it for a drive.

The drive was beautiful. It was the perfect balance that I was looking for - luxury to drive, but fun when you felt a little ambitous with the right pedal and steering wheel. The interior is also what sold me - just oozes SLS. I am also 6'6" and I felt really comfortable. Also, the blip on the downshifts without healing and toeing was brilliant (something I would miss form a manual).

2 hours later after a coffee and discussion with my wife, I paid a deposit on a White A250 in standard trim (never a fan of options as you never get your money back as I turn my cars over every 3.5 years). I will get it in June/July.

To give you a bit of background, I currently drive a Skoda Octavia vRS Wagon which is the family/fun car in one. I have always wanted a Golf GTI (hence why I bought the skoda) but at the time, we only had one car and it had to do both functions - shopping and fun. We now have two cars and family car is just going to be standard bland car thats gets cained by the kids and my car will be the fun one that can still carry the kids when needed. I looked at the Golf GTI again which is always what I wanted, but the MK6 is the outgoing model just looks so bland compared to the Merc and the MK7 is just too far away for me to consider with the wait. The merc just spelled bling, but not overdone cheap bling. It is classy bling and something different.

[TuNeS]

Also, I got the corp discount which includes 3 years free servicing and 4 years of roadside assist which jsut sweatened the deal.

[Ignoramus]

With regards to the discount on the A250s for corporate, were they willing to offer both discounted dealer delivery and 3% off? Most places, I've spoken to said they're only willing to do discounted dealer delivery of $1600, which really only about 6-700 off.

[TuNeS]

With regards to the discount on the A250s for corporate, were they willing to offer both discounted dealer delivery and 3% off? Most places, I've spoken to said they're only willing to do discounted dealer delivery of $1600, which really only about 6-700 off.

I only got the discount off the dealer delivery and the normal corp perks. There is more demand than supply at the moment, so they are standing their ground. Still a great deal though.

[pologti18t]

If the Merc A250 AMG Sport can be de-optioned with sunroff, satnav and leather being deleted, the price should come in at base level DSG Golf GTI ... if that's possible. The Merc is definitely a looker imo.



Sat Nav and leather aren't standard on the A250.
The point is that Merc don't want to offer a de-specced A250... it's not what the market wants.

[cktsi]

Congrats to those who pulled the trigger on the A250! Pity this isnt the forum to share your experiences :-P

With the amount of stuffing around I am getting on the deliverm of my bimmer I am tempted to cancel and join you. Particularly as it seems you can get discounts on a newly released car!!

[kaktusdigital]

Is it stupid to consider the lack of even a space saver wheel as a deal breaker? Not thrilled at the prospects of no real backup measure on a long trip. (ie melb-syd)

[Ignoramus]

Mk7 GTI has been revealed - 2014 Volkswagen Golf GTI: Specifications And Features Revealed | Reviews | Prices | Australian specifications (http://www.themotorreport.com.au/56033/2014-volkswagen-golf-gti-revealed-on-sale-in-australia-from-fourth-quarter)


Output is up from 155 to 164kW at 6400rpm, and torque grows from 280 to 349Nm, available from 2500rpm.

For the first time, Volkswagen will also offer an optional factory performance pack, boosting power to 171kW.

[Whistler]

Is it stupid to consider the lack of even a space saver wheel as a deal breaker? Not thrilled at the prospects of no real backup measure on a long trip. (ie melb-syd)

No, not stupid. Been in the same boat. The answer is to do a deal on a full-size spare when you order.
I did the same with a previous car. Car the spare "thrown in" for half it's normal price before I signed up.
I just chucked it in the boot on inter-city trips.
Used it twice so was worth the $$$

[alebonau]

yep could get thrown in. and probably a good idea for intercity and drives out of town. but yeah in and around town the goo kit is probably fine. one way or the other thank goodness no run flats as they have done overseas.

[Lemonskin]

Sat Nav and leather aren't standard on the A250.
The point is that Merc don't want to offer a de-specced A250... it's not what the market wants.

True. Merc want to be seen as a higher product. They don't want to be battling the GTI at its own game.

I think they'll be successful too. There must be a lot of buyers out there who have the money but settled for a GTI or an R because there was simply nothing better that suited their style.

[alebonau]

looks like merc has embraced fixed price servicing on the a class. something I hope vw is doing on the new golf :)

"To ensure buyers aren't scared off by high service costs, Mercedes has a fixed price servicing deal: $1400 covers all routine servicing for the first 50,000km. A Nissan Maxima V6 sedan costs almost $2000 to service over the same period."

- See more at: Cookies must be enabled | Herald Sun (http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/national/new-mercedes-benz-a-class-is-cheaper-than-a-holden-commodore/story-fncynkc6-1226587139606#sthash.XyLZqxW5.dpuf)

looks like the new baby merc has also literally doubled dealer orders for them with article saying where they normally sell 350 cars a week this has apparently doubled with the a class !

[cktsi]

looks like merc has embraced fixed price servicing on the a class. something I hope vw is doing on the new golf :)

"To ensure buyers aren't scared off by high service costs, Mercedes has a fixed price servicing deal: $1400 covers all routine servicing for the first 50,000km. A Nissan Maxima V6 sedan costs almost $2000 to service over the same period."

- See more at: Cookies must be enabled | Herald Sun (http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/national/new-mercedes-benz-a-class-is-cheaper-than-a-holden-commodore/story-fncynkc6-1226587139606#sthash.XyLZqxW5.dpuf)

looks like the new baby merc has also literally doubled dealer orders for them with article saying where they normally sell 350 cars a week this has apparently doubled with the a class !

Man, the deals on the A250 look better and better all the time!

[cktsi]

True. Merc want to be seen as a higher product. They don't want to be battling the GTI at its own game.

I think they'll be successful too. There must be a lot of buyers out there who have the money but settled for a GTI or an R because there was simply nothing better that suited their style.

+1. I am with you there!

[kaktusdigital]

looks like merc has embraced fixed price servicing on the a class. something I hope vw is doing on the new golf :)

"To ensure buyers aren't scared off by high service costs, Mercedes has a fixed price servicing deal: $1400 covers all routine servicing for the first 50,000km. A Nissan Maxima V6 sedan costs almost $2000 to service over the same period."

- See more at: Cookies must be enabled | Herald Sun (http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/national/new-mercedes-benz-a-class-is-cheaper-than-a-holden-commodore/story-fncynkc6-1226587139606#sthash.XyLZqxW5.dpuf)

looks like the new baby merc has also literally doubled dealer orders for them with article saying where they normally sell 350 cars a week this has apparently doubled with the a class !

When enquiring, the dealership said that they service the car at either 1 year OR 25,000Km's! - so $1,400 would only cover 2 years or $700 a pop?

[elephino]

When enquiring, the dealership said that they service the car at either 1 year OR 25,000Km's! - so $1,400 would only cover 2 years or $700 a pop?

Which for those of us with higher mileage cars, isn't too bad.

[cktsi]

If 25% of Golf sales are for the GTI and half of those will choose the A250 over the GTI for the next car, I think this spells trouble for VW Australia.

The response size of this poll is now statistically significant.

VW wll need to take a good hard look at the features for price at this stage or this poll is pointing to sales doom.

[kaktusdigital]

VW wll need to take a good hard look at the features for price at this stage or this poll is pointing to sales doom.

I assume the majority of A250 buyers = Ex spec'd up GTI buyers. The 250sport has quite a few extras as standard which offers good value for money. Time will tell whether the GTI base model will sit far below the starting price of the A250. Personally I can live without pretty much all the extras that the GTI offers (maybe sunroof) so the effective pricing between the two are going to be fairly large. As some one else mentioned, it would be great to have a de-spec'd A250 sport with pricing to match.

[Dutch77]

I think it's important to remember also that all of this is still fairly subjective - only a few of us have driven the A250 already, and we can only guess as to how good (or not) the mk7 GTI/R will be.

I agree VW will need to look at sharpening the pricing a bit, but for arguments sake if they can bring in a similar specced and slightly lower priced vehicle - I'm thinking say $50k v $55k - and it's a better drive all round then I'm not that desperate for a MB badge to swap over. If the best they can do is end up at the same price AND the drive is similar then sure, the MB may very well be on my shop list.

Either way I agree the poll is becoming relevant and would seem to indicate that GTI buyers will definitely be shopping the A250 at a minimum.

[TuNeS]

I assume the majority of A250 buyers = Ex spec'd up GTI buyers. The 250sport has quite a few extras as standard which offers good value for money. Time will tell whether the GTI base model will sit far below the starting price of the A250. Personally I can live without pretty much all the extras that the GTI offers (maybe sunroof) so the effective pricing between the two are going to be fairly large. As some one else mentioned, it would be great to have a de-spec'd A250 sport with pricing to match.

Agree. If the cars were line ball, I would still be choosing the base spec Merc as you never get your money back on options. Considering the GTI is close to $40k, $10k is a lot of options to bring it up to the Merc and a lot of extra coin to lose. People just look at Redbook for value.

[Sharkie]

I've said this already, but seems to have been missed with all the pro A250 Mumbo jumbo ..... Pretty sure at $49990 a Golf R is better specced than the A250 not to mention AWD and much more powerful. Mk7 R will also bring 220kw/380NM which will put it close to the AMG A for $40k less .....

[kaktusdigital]

IPretty sure at $49990 a Golf R
Is this before the dealer delivery etc charges?

It certainly is good value for money either way considering the brochure for the A250 sport already states the exact price as its starting point.

[Sharkie]

Is this before the dealer delivery etc charges?

It certainly is good value for money either way considering the brochure for the A250 sport already states the exact price as its starting point.

Base A250 is $54k drive away ..... I can get into a R for substantially less than that ..... And having now closely compared the specs of each can confirm the R is better specced ....

[pologti18t]

Base A250 is $54k drive away ..... I can get into a R for substantially less than that ..... And having now closely compared the specs of each can confirm the R is better specced ....

Why are you comparing a run out Golf R with a new to market (and not discounted) A250 on price?

Once the "new" R is released it will be considerable more expensive (RRP + ORC) than an A250 (RRP + ORC)

[Sharkie]

Why are you comparing a run out Golf R with a new to market (and not discounted) A250 on price?

Once the "new" R is released it will be considerable more expensive (RRP + ORC) than an A250 (RRP + ORC)

Actually, no .... R manual is RRP $49990 and much less with discounts on run out .... And it would be VERY unlikely to be any more expensive in mk7 form ..... In fact R dropped in price from Mk5 to Mk6 ..... Price will still be more or less the same for much less of a car in the A250 compared to the R.

[oshuyi]

Actually, no .... R manual is RRP $49990 and much less with discounts on run out .... And it would be VERY unlikely to be any more expensive in mk7 form ..... In fact R dropped in price from Mk5 to Mk6 ..... Price will still be more or less the same for much less of a car in the A250 compared to the R.

The thing is, with the new GTI, we don't even know whether it's going to de-tuned for the AUS market. All info so far is based from the oversea specs.

Also I'll be more than happy to buy a A250 over the current R anything day. It might may under power, but it has more torque and it should be MORE reliable :P

[pologti18t]

Actually, no .... R manual is RRP $49990 and much less with discounts on run out .... And it would be VERY unlikely to be any more expensive in mk7 form ..... In fact R dropped in price from Mk5 to Mk6 ..... Price will still be more or less the same for much less of a car in the A250 compared to the R.

I suppose we will have to wait and see.
I still believe MB's equipment levels and limited (and reasonably priced) options will affect how VW markets the next Golf here.

[alebonau]

its marketting no 1 isnt it never make the choosing easy ! merc would never bring out a stripped out a250 that goes up against a stripped out golf gti or golf R. as will vw not likely bring out a loaded golf gti that goes up agaisnt the a250.

both have to differentiate to give people a reason to choose between them :)

and I totally accept people will choose either for their own reasons...thats the whole idea :)

[cktsi]

Agree. If the cars were line ball, I would still be choosing the base spec Merc as you never get your money back on options. Considering the GTI is close to $40k, $10k is a lot of options to bring it up to the Merc and a lot of extra coin to lose. People just look at Redbook for value.

+1

That's a huge point and my beef with VW not providing a Highline Golf... options depreciate more than a higher spec vehicle with the features as standard. Totally agree.

I can't understand why some people are comparing a list price of a Golf R against a MB with on roads. That's not an apples vs apples comparison. I'd argue that you can compare list price vs list paricularly as some folks have actually put a deposit on this type of deal!! Look back through this thread and you will see two buyers who have negotiated list price as drive away AND also had free servicing thrown in.

Besides, you can't claim that there's less value in buying a specced up A250 just because it's a non VW.... just read the Mk6 forum's GTI vs R thread and you'll see lots of signatures of GTI owners who have specced up their cars. These GTI owners have made a conscious decision to spec up a GTI than buy an R without options such as sunroof and Nav.


Having said all that, as I stated at the start of this thread, it's too early to be running this poll as we simply don't know the final spec of the GTI. The only points we are making (and they are valid), is that unless VW sharpens the pencil, the GTI and R are both in for a tough time.

[Ryan_R]

Just whack a red T badge on, install an ECU tune, and say it is a Highline when you sell it :)

Agree with you though, my 118TSI is very well spec'ed

[Ryan_R]

What about...

http://img2.netcarshow.com/Toyota-FT-86_Open_Concept_2013_1024x768_wallpaper_01.jpg

[THE_EGG]

What about...

http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/

Vomited a little bit...
Probably not a bad car, but definately not for me.

[Ryan_R]

Yeah it's probably good, but something is not right about the looks - can't put my finger on it yet

[cktsi]

I think i can safely assume most people on here value a nice interior over a bit of performance or we'd all be chatting on the wrx or evo forums :-p

Given this assumption i would also assume most would not go for either the 86 or brz due to the low rent interior, soft top or not.

Oddly i think those weird headlights now look good on the soft top version and i like it! I dont like the coupe shape unless its in race livery where i think the distracting paint makes it look great.

[cktsi]

What about...

http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/

Oh i know what it is.... I like the new scuplted front bumper. It integrates a lot better with those weirdo headlights.

[clip]

brabus are going mental with the a250- already have a plug and play ecu upgrade that boosts it to 185kw, and that's just interim to keep the lads happy until they develop a proper remap

[OilBurna]

I think i'd rather get a good deal on the Golf R esp with the 1.5% finance at the moment. After looking at one yesterday the A250 is jsut too chintzy for me. If you think VW service costs are expensive wait to you see Mercedes. Otherwise might wait for an ex Merc Aus executive driven one in six months time or so.

[clip]

After looking at one yesterday the A250 is jsut too chintzy for me...Otherwise might wait for an ex Merc Aus executive driven one in six months time or so.
It'll still be chintz though, just cheaper :)

[clip]

If you think VW service costs are expensive wait to you see Mercedes.

"To ensure buyers aren't scared off by high service costs, Mercedes has a fixed price servicing deal: $1400 covers all routine servicing for the first
50,000km. A Nissan Maxima V6 sedan costs almost $2000 to service over the same period." SMH

just have to sell it after 50000k's ツ

[INOV8]

I think i'd rather get a good deal on the Golf R esp with the 1.5% finance at the moment.

Why do people think they are paying 1.5% just because the add says so? Read the fine print, you can't get anything for 1.5%! Try and haggle the price, i bet they wont budge, ask them about the term, probably has to be for 7 years minimum and you have to get it serviced at the same dealer you bought it from! By the end of it, you would have paid equivalent to 10-12% anyway. Remember, nothing is free (or 1.5%) and don't get caught out.

[DoggiesUtd]

Why do people think they are paying 1.5% just because the add says so? Read the fine print, you can't get anything for 1.5%! Try and haggle the price, i bet they wont budge, ask them about the term, probably has to be for 7 years minimum and you have to get it serviced at the same dealer you bought it from! By the end of it, you would have paid equivalent to 10-12% anyway. Remember, nothing is free (or 1.5%) and don't get caught out.

u do pay only 1.5% and i got my 147 highline jetta for 37k
not bad ay...ill only pay 40k over 4 yrs which is the maximum term u can have

[macdub]

had a look at 250 over the weekend..good seating position but very disappointed with back legroom, headroom and boot size...looks are subjective but not really sure if i like red seat belts and red inserts on vents etc..looks overdone..

[clip]

had a look at 250 over the weekend..good seating position but very disappointed with back legroom, headroom and boot size...looks are subjective but not really sure if i like red seat belts and red inserts on vents etc..looks overdone..
Yeh, I agree. I think they're overdone and while the A250 won't be so common, the rest of them will be. I'm already seeing them running around locally and the dealer only got a few in stock. By the end of the year they'll be as common as golfs.

[jdimitri]

Why do people think they are paying 1.5% just because the add says so? Read the fine print, you can't get anything for 1.5%! Try and haggle the price, i bet they wont budge, ask them about the term, probably has to be for 7 years minimum and you have to get it serviced at the same dealer you bought it from! By the end of it, you would have paid equivalent to 10-12% anyway. Remember, nothing is free (or 1.5%) and don't get caught out.

Definitely not, just got my golf r at 5k+ off and the 1.5%

[cktsi]

had a look at 250 over the weekend..good seating position but very disappointed with back legroom, headroom and boot size...looks are subjective but not really sure if i like red seat belts and red inserts on vents etc..looks overdone..

Agree about the lack of space at the back. I was a little let down by the lack of headroom... And i am only 5'7" !! But if you only very occassionally carry passengers at the back for short distances it isnt an issue.

[alebonau]

sat in front and in the back didnt see it an issue. we only have usually one adult, two kids in back at most so fine for us. I was actually suprised pleased in rear space/headroom actually given adverse comments have read. definitely something for people to check for themselves though Id say to see how stacks up :)

[clip]

I'm surprised at the poll results to date. Out of 64 votes, only 1 vote for bimmer! Maybe I was wrong, the a250 might do more damage to BMW than to Audi.

[alebonau]

yeah not a lot of love for the bmw, or the megane for that matter !

[Cookie28]

I quite like the Megane and that would be one of my next choices along with the GTI, A250 and Astra (behind the 86) but again im a mk4 driver so i'm not sure how much i count haha

[AdamD]

yeah not a lot of love for the bmw, or the megane for that matter !

I would very seriously consider a BMW M135i if it wasn't so horribly, horribly ugly. A great driver's car, but the styling offends on an epic scale. Still, watch Chris Harris's comparison of the BMW and Audi RS3 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2xwecTp91-o&list=PL239B84BD346EEEFA&index=13) - it absolutely demolishes the Audi.

And as for the Megane... a mate of mine has just bought an RS265 as his daily driver (spends most of its time commuting through Melbourne traffic). He didn't consider a Golf because they're just too common on the roads.

[Lemonskin]

I would have probably bought the Megane if it came in an DSG/dual clutch auto. I know that's awful to say but I do too much city driving to be bothered with a manual!

[kaktusdigital]

The U.K spec is 17" alloys, parking sensors & 7" 'infotainment' type thing. Here's hoping come June we'll get some solid facts and figures.
Do you think VW will either spec up their GTI's or lower the price to combat the A250 onslaught?

[Dutch77]

The U.K spec is 17" alloys, parking sensors & 7" 'infotainment' type thing. Here's hoping come June we'll get some solid facts and figures.
Do you think VW will either spec up their GTI's or lower the price to combat the A250 onslaught?

I'd like to think a combination of both. There is no doubt the market today and in the future is a lot different to the one that existed when the mk6 landed.

Assuming the GTI mk7 is a cracking drive and remains the best drivers all-rounder then I don't think they need to slash prices, more just shave them.. and hopefully spec up the cars for the most common options. This would also simplify the ordering and holding of stock.

I'd like to see maybe two specs - a stripper, and a 'highline' that matches up more closely with the A250 specs.. which should then only leave a handful of less chosen options maybe for those that are keen on more of a 'special order'.

[alebonau]

I would very seriously consider a BMW M135i if it wasn't so horribly, horribly ugly. A great driver's car, but the styling offends on an epic scale. Still, watch Chris Harris's comparison of the BMW and Audi RS3 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2xwecTp91-o&list=PL239B84BD346EEEFA&index=13) - it absolutely demolishes the Audi.

And as for the Megane... a mate of mine has just bought an RS265 as his daily driver (spends most of its time commuting through Melbourne traffic). He didn't consider a Golf because they're just too common on the roads.

yes struggled myself with the bmw 1 series styling, both inside and out. but maybe its something grows on you ! not really usre how a megane rs265 would be as daily drive. renault seem to have an all or nothing wiht the megane its either boring as bat ***** 5 door hatchbacks or take no prisoners with the RS265. nothing in between !


I would have probably bought the Megane if it came in an DSG/dual clutch auto. I know that's awful to say but I do too much city driving to be bothered with a manual!

yeah same here DSG and if there was an RS in a 5 door hatch. need those as everyday car :)

[kaktusdigital]

The 7G-DCT in the A250 certainly seems an interesting beast considering the same unit is in the A45 AMG - 450Nm!
Perhaps something for prospective buyers to think of in terms of tuning capabilities.

Does anyone have any experiences with both the 7G-DCT and 6-speed in the GTI? The only reports i hear are that the 7G isn't quite as nimble and 'aware' as the 6 speed.

[alebonau]

Drive - Subaru VizIV Concept at 2013 Geneva Motor Show (http://theage.drive.com.au/motor-news/is-this-the-next-wrx-20130305-2fj80.html)

perhaps some competition from subaru in the new wrx to the both gti and R. not that the wrx seems to get much interest here, but perhaps an option for some. Sound like subaru definitely thinking outside the square this time around :)

[Dutch77]

Lol @ 'almost exclusive all-wheel drive range'.

I think most of us here either appreciate the understated style/quality/finish of the Golf and other German interiors, or at least the style flair of the French etc.

That article doesn't discuss it but I'm sure I've also read that they were planning on using a CVT transmission rather than developing a DSG style box which means it's a manual only option for anyone who cares about driving.. and knocks out a huge segment of potential buyers who prefer the DSG type option.

[alebonau]

CVT as in feels like driving a singer sewing machine ? major fail !

agree with you, for myself french and german cars seem to have my attention and what have mostly owned .... the italian cars tend to get my attention too but too scared to buy them ! :D

[Capercat]

I would very seriously consider a BMW M135i if it wasn't so horribly, horribly ugly. A great driver's car, but the styling offends on an epic scale. Still, watch Chris Harris's comparison of the BMW and Audi RS3 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2xwecTp91-o&list=PL239B84BD346EEEFA&index=13) - it absolutely demolishes the Audi.


The 135i Coupe can still be had, the same N55 engine & with BMW PPK the same performance without elephant man looks.

[Dutch77]

Different tune tho - 225kw/400nm v 235kw/450nm. Similar performance regardless. Main edge of the M135i hatch is the rear doors giving it five door practicality.. tho with the lack of room 'practicality' is a flexible term.

[Dutch77]

I see a first drive of the M-Benz CLA (with diesel) has popped up on carsales. I note it says rear room is poor, and while it's good.. it's no Golf. :)

Mercedes-Benz CLA 220 CDI: First Drive (http://www.carsales.com.au/reviews/2013/prestige-and-luxury/mercedes-benz/mercedes-benz-cla-220-cdi-first-drive-35455)

[Capercat]

Different tune tho - 225kw/400nm v 235kw/450nm. Similar performance regardless. Main edge of the M135i hatch is the rear doors giving it five door practicality.. tho with the lack of room 'practicality' is a flexible term.

BMW PPK (Performance pack) 135i coupe =
240kw/450nm DCT
240kw/430nm 6MT

[Dutch77]

BMW PPK (Performance pack) 135i coupe =
240kw/450nm DCT
240kw/430nm 6MT

Oops, I now reigstered what you meant by PPK, apologies.

The coupe option is one I'd like over that hatch, but the rear doors and windows are a handy thing when transporting two canines around.

[WhiteJames]

Reduced prices for Audi A3 add viable option to that list. The 1.8 turbo AWD Audi A3 Sportback 5 door is all you'll even need for local conditions.

Drive - Audi to cut prices on A3 hatch (http://smh.drive.com.au/motor-news/audi-a3-prices-reduced-20130307-2fmhd.html)

Good news of price reductions prior to release of the MK7 Golf range ... hopefully VW will follow re: price cuts.

Cheers.
WJ

[kaktusdigital]

Interesting that the A3 132kW model sits between the Golf (110kW) and the GTI (160kW). A move to further distinguish the brand as not just a pricier golf. Do these new A3's have that fancy pants cylinder shutdown technology?

I'd consider an A3, but 132kW is not quite enough grunt and S3 is just too pricey for me.

[alebonau]

agree 100% audi at 132 is going backwards ! why they dont have a classier golf I have no idea. it could be used to hit right back at benz with its a250. maybe all in good time !

[jrgti]

35K including on road costs and dealer for a basic A3??? I would seriously consider the quattro A3 1.8 if that comes to the Aus market if prices are going to be significantly dropped for that as well.

[alebonau]

finally drove the a250,

I am very pleased. my worries was ride, but I have to say have no idea what some press are on about. because I found it just right. firm enough you do feel the road. and so you should on a hot hatch. but not harsh not hard. with comments read I was expecting it to be crashing and banging, my teeth chattering and a sore back after it. but nothing like that. Didnt find it that different in comfort to my mk6 golf gti. ride was well controlled and took it on a nice drive on a back road and felt great.

few things really noticed. you sit low in this car. vs the golf gti where sit higher. Got comfortable pretty easily and quickly in the merc. Its a more refined car than the golf. the gti is more gruff which some might like ?

definitely a difference in eco, sport and manual modes. eco for just cruising, sport for all the upshifts downshifts it does and manual if want more control.

I liked that there is an ECO button just to switch the start stop system on/off. excellent unlike the alfa guilietta which there is no way to switch off. works well too.

the self park is an absolute beauty. very impressed and wife is going to love that !

didnt find huge difference in rear view vs the golf. the rear window is tinted so a bit darker looking through but because both golf and merc have large rear head rests didnt find hugely different looking in the rear mirror of the merc. Perhaps something get more handle off in more extended use. but the rear camera of the merc is a pretty handy thing too I must say.

the electric park is a very smart thing. like how it self over rides.

one thing realy found myself missing is looking for the gear selector hehe and that have to use the stalk on the steering wheel instead. will definitely take some getting used to

iphone no probs works through bluetooth am told. also a connector in centre console for an ipod so can plug one in there for music permanently as I do now.

the large sunroof gives a nice airy feel. with powered shade blind if needed

one thing for sure driving this car is really feels technology wise to be a step forward from my golf gti even though that car only 3 years old. its a great driving environment overall where feel comfortable and secure. and yet I think fits the mould well of the golf gti of everyday daily drive that can add a bit of fun factor when needed

ps my car has just landed at the dealership as well. great to see in the flesh ! the red lip of the a250 am very pleased blends in well with the red duco. now the wait for my lease on the golf gti to finish !

[kaktusdigital]

Thanks alebonau for the in depth analysis of the ride and comfort. I too was scratching my head with the many reports of the ride being ultra harsh.. ?

What I wanted to ask is - which dealership did you do the test drive at and whether or not you were allowed to go it alone (just like at VW)

Secondly, how did you find the 7G-DCT compared to your current GTI? I hear that its not quite as refined as the DSG, but I'd like to hear what a real consumer thinks.

Thanks!

[alebonau]

hi kaktus was at berwick mb , I was accompanied which I dont mind really being an unfamiliar neighbourhood was handy for directions and finding my way around. you could ask I guess if want to go it alone.

re the 7 speed dual clutch on the merc. to be honest I didnt notice any strange actions. I know the dsg on the golf is often criticised for stop start and gear changes etc. but in use I think its something get used to once understand its behaviour. the merc transmission seemed smooth and didnt mis behave. but maybe something with extended use perhaps notice some oddity but nothing unusual that would call unrefined or anything. more unusual was lack of gear selector on the centre console ! is going to throw a few people I think hehe

[kaktusdigital]

Re: the gear selector, that sure is going to get some getting used to.. I'm just so used to reversing out of the drive way, and while rolling backwards a little engage D and drive off slowly.. somethings perhaps not possible with merc?

The dealer I went to said to me 3000 cars were allotted this 'special' price for the A250 ($49,990) and that 2400 of them had sold already, once the deal is over, it would cost roughly $2500 more... I call B.S.. but perhaps someone has heard some truth to this? I was quoted 55K in the end, standard A250 with metallic paint.

I'm looking forward to getting a drive in one and seeing what its all about, having only the TSI 118 to compare, i'm hoping it packs a punch in comparison!

[jjjones]

Hi Mate,

Thanks for the review. Regarding the gear selector being on the right stalk, i have always owned Japanese cars where the right stalk is the indicator.

With the new A-Class having the right stalk as the gear selector, im worried that if i get the car i would accidentally put the car in neutral or some other gear when wanting to indicate. Did you see/feel anything that would prevent this?

Or am i thinking too much about this.

[TuNeS]

Hi Mate,

Thanks for the review. Regarding the gear selector being on the right stalk, i have always owned Japanese cars where the right stalk is the indicator.

With the new A-Class having the right stalk as the gear selector, im worried that if i get the car i would accidentally put the car in neutral or some other gear when wanting to indicate. Did you see/feel anything that would prevent this?

Or am i thinking too much about this.

You might turn the wipers on :) It has been a while since I drove it, but I pretty sure the gear selector stalk is a third stalk further back.....although I could be wrong. Even if you could access it while driving, I am pretty sure there would be some fancy electronics to stop you engaging P or R :) Never fear.

[alebonau]

Hi Mate,

Thanks for the review. Regarding the gear selector being on the right stalk, i have always owned Japanese cars where the right stalk is the indicator.

With the new A-Class having the right stalk as the gear selector, im worried that if i get the car i would accidentally put the car in neutral or some other gear when wanting to indicate. Did you see/feel anything that would prevent this?

Or am i thinking too much about this.

hehe thinking too much about it !

while driving if used to euro cars you always go for indicator stalk on the left. if going for stuff on the right youd go for windscreen wipers instead hehe as been mentioned.

the gear selector stalk is really only D or R. park is a push button on end of it. in my driving not once did I accidentally select something via the stalk so not something to worry I dont think. you do instinctively go looking for the gear stick selector on the main console though which is habit to change :D

in some ways I think what benz is doing here is keeping your hands on or close to the steering wheel so everything want to select eg gear selection or paddle flaps can do so with easy reach from the steering wheel :)

[pologti18t]

in some ways I think what benz is doing here is keeping your hands on or close to the steering wheel so everything want to select eg gear selection or paddle flaps can do so with easy reach from the steering wheel :)

It also frees up alot of centre console space

[sheckster]

For those who have checked-out/ordere the a 250, did you ask about the 'drive kit plus for iphone'? I was reading before launch that it will be offered but have read recently that it won't be. In fact it's not in the brochure (although i found it on the website in the news section). I wonder if it can be retrofitted when they do decide to bringt it in?

[AdamD]

For those who have checked-out/ordere the a 250, did you ask about the 'drive kit plus for iphone'? I was reading before launch that it will be offered but have read recently that it won't be. In fact it's not in the brochure (although i found it on the website in the news section). I wonder if it can be retrofitted when they do decide to bringt it in?

I think that's probably a better question for a Mercedes Benz forum... (As is much of the discussion in this thread.)

[DoggieHowser]

The weird thing is that the A45AMG has the gear selector back in the usual place!!

If you wanted more space, I'd have thought the knob in the Jaguars or the buttons on the Aston Martins would have been far better implementations:

http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2013/03/0803_08_z2009_jaguar_xF_superchargedrisi-1.jpg

http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2013/03/imagesqtbnANd9GcTclaVtGaSYUyABTCzVWZ0lqq-1.jpg

[sheckster]

I think that's probably a better question for a Mercedes Benz forum... (As is much of the discussion in this thread.)

In any case, i found it in the brochure after all, under the 'genuine accessories' section.

[lenojd]

Mercedes-Benz A45 AMG from $74,900 | CarAdvice (http://www.caradvice.com.au/220114/mercedes-benz-a45-amg-74900/)

A45 price announced: $75k + OTR

"Standard equipment on the single, five-door hatchback variant includes 19-inch alloy wheels, an intelligent lighting system, panoramic glass roof, front and rear parking sensors, blind-spot warning, lane-departure detection, leather-trimmed heated and electrically-adjustable seats, COMAND online interface and a Harman/Kardon stereo."

[alebonau]

ok that looks like command and exclusive plus the driving assistance package as standard for a45. all of which are options on the a250. one thing will say merc are doing a great job of up specing their models as standard as go up in the range :)

already on the aussie website too allowing for registration of interest. merc is not wasting any time !

Mercedes-Benz Australia - Facts & Figures - A 45 AMG (http://www2.mercedes-benz.com.au/content/australia/mpc/mpc_australia__website/en/home_mpc/passengercars/home/new_cars/models/a-class/w176/facts_/amg_model.html)

[cktsi]

ok that looks like command and exclusive plus the driving assistance package as standard for a45. all of which are options on the a250. one thing will say merc are doing a great job of up specing their models as standard as go up in the range :)

already on the aussie website too allowing for registration of interest. merc is not wasting any time !

Mercedes-Benz Australia - Facts & Figures - A 45 AMG (http://www2.mercedes-benz.com.au/content/australia/mpc/mpc_australia__website/en/home_mpc/passengercars/home/new_cars/models/a-class/w176/facts_/amg_model.html)

Holy sweet mother bejesus h christ!!! That's awesome.

And awesome is being extremely subtle.

Who the f... would want a M135i with a car like the A45 AMG??

[THE_EGG]

Mercedes-Benz A45 AMG from $74,900 |*CarAdvice (http://www.caradvice.com.au/220114/mercedes-benz-a45-amg-74900/)

A45 price announced: $75k + OTR

"Standard equipment on the single, five-door hatchback variant includes 19-inch alloy wheels, an intelligent lighting system, panoramic glass roof, front and rear parking sensors, blind-spot warning, lane-departure detection, leather-trimmed heated and electrically-adjustable seats, COMAND online interface and a Harman/Kardon stereo."

Considering what the car is and how much kit is on it, I think $75k + OTR is pretty great.

I spotted an A-class diesel on the road and thought it looked great except the back end. Still not a fan of the back, looks like a Hyundai or something.

[TuNeS]

I think that's probably a better question for a Mercedes Benz forum... (As is much of the discussion in this thread.)

Agree. Question to everyone - are there any MB forums in australia? I can only find UK and European ones. I have an A250 on order and looks like a few people in this thread have them too. What forums do you troll?

[alebonau]

no real aussie ones....why do you think we're here hehe

the best forum have found is german car forum. its not just MB
OFFICIAL - Official: 2013 Mercedes-Benz A-Class | Page 35 | German Car Forum (http://www.germancarforum.com/community/threads/official-2013-mercedes-benz-a-class.43509/page-35#post-628054)

[Gusman]

There's always Mercedes Mutterings on this forum... you just need to populate it with your own musings :-)

[Sharkie]

Well it seems the A250 will be less competition to the MK7 than everybody thought .... seems it cant cut it against the MK6 in a comparison test (See latest Wheels magazine - April 2013), so won't make it against the MK7 either I suspect ....

[cktsi]

Well it seems the A250 will be less competition to the MK7 than everybody thought .... seems it cant cut it against the MK6 in a comparison test (See latest Wheels magazine - April 2013), so won't make it against the MK7 either I suspect ....

I haven't read the article, but in what category was the Mk6 specifically superior?

btw to all those ex Golf & MB owners, isn't there the Mercedes Mutterings section of this website you can use? By definition you will be all like-minded... ex VW owners who just bought a MB.

[alebonau]

I haven't read the article, but in what category was the Mk6 specifically superior?

btw to all those ex Golf & MB owners, isn't there the Mercedes Mutterings section of this website you can use? By definition you will be all like-minded... ex VW owners who just bought a MB.

will read the article, but given own the mk6 gti myself and drove back to back with an a250 probably dont need a magazine to tell me what to think hehe

good to know of merc mutterings section. will have to come back and visit there once am an "Ex" hehe

[kaktusdigital]

The only thing I remember from the article was that the A250 didn't deliver the same 'feeling' in terms of getting to 100kph compared to the mk6. Something about the 7g-DCT not being quite as quick as the DSG as well I think.

alebonau: on your drive did you still get that great push back into your seat feeling that the VW's are so good at?

[clip]

A250 v gti is not comparing oranges to oranges. They are too different. The gti is a golf. Plain and simple. The MB is not a golf. It doesn't drive like a golf, it doesn't go like a golf and it doesn't look like a golf. While they both have 4 doors, a hatch and a 2ltr turbo engine, the similarities end there I think.

But not to answer for Alb, imho, the MB does not drive like a gti off the line and give you that same push back in your seat. But it is faster to 100k than a gti from the tests I've read, and I suspect it would be faster to 200k too. But I bet it would be slower to 70ks.

But they're such different cars I can't imagine buying one if I wanted a drive like a gti. They are just too different in too many ways. So forgetting value for money and boring considerations like that, which one is the better is probably a pointless question IMO.

[clip]

Wheels Feb 2013: That’s going to be a tough contest, because while Benz says its $49,990 price is line-ball with a GTI specced to the same level, we’re talking about shopping an uber prestige brand against a merely classy VW.

And the A-Class, with its red chin blade and matching interior flourishes, just about brains the GTI on looks.

But does the A250 get anywhere near the legendary loveability of the GTI?

Absolutely, yes.

The 2.0-litre turbo makes 155kW and 350Nm (up 70Nm on the Golf), hits 100km/h in 6.6sec, and feels quicker.
---------------------------------------------------

.....hmmm, doesn't feel quicker to me, even though it is, and that's probably the point of the comparison, for what it's worth.

[cktsi]

A250 v gti is not comparing oranges to oranges. They are too different. The gti is a golf. Plain and simple. The MB is not a golf. It doesn't drive like a golf, it doesn't go like a golf and it doesn't look like a golf. While they both have 4 doors, a hatch and a 2ltr turbo engine, the similarities end there I think.

But not to answer for Alb, imho, the MB does not drive like a gti off the line and give you that same push back in your seat. But it is faster to 100k than a gti from the tests I've read, and I suspect it would be faster to 200k too. But I bet it would be slower to 70ks.

But they're such different cars I can't imagine buying one if I wanted a drive like a gti. They are just too different in too many ways. So forgetting value for money and boring considerations like that, which one is the better is probably a pointless question IMO.

I was going to make the same point. I feel that the WRX and STI owners would be making the same statements abt the GTI and R respectively I.e. their cars are mechanically superior.... Just look at the numbers etc. but we all bought the golf as we want refinement

The same reason some will go to the A250. They don't want all out performance but refinement. If they wanted performance they would be buying an EVO or STI for the price.

However where I disagree is that I DO think the A250 and GTI loaded up occupy the same space. The buyer wants a sporty drive but with creature comforts.

A basic GTI is a different matter. Here it's about a value for money refined sporting drive (this statement is subject to final specs being released) with quite a few comforts

Btw the only let down in the A250 is the diamond grill. I wish it was the same as the A45 grill. I like my power ride being under stated.

[TuNeS]

The statement about the MK7 blitzing the Benz due to the fact that it 'feels' faster is a bit short sighted.

A spec'ed up GTI is a direct competitor to the A250. Both cars are unquestionably exceptionally engineered that have slightly different characteristics that suit different demographics.

I have always wanted a GTI which is why I have the Skoda (family duties). My wife now has a bigger car so when it came to renewing the family truckster I went shopping for the GTI I always wanted. For me, the wait on the MK7 was too long and I couldn't bare dropping 50k on a car that was about to be replaced by a superior model. So I started looking around and just happened to walk into the Benz dealership the day it was launched (fluke!).

Looks alone, the GTI isn't in the same league. I love the GTI as its subtle and not overdone, but the Benz isnt overdone (except for thge stupid red seat belts) like an Evo or an STI. The Benz is just class (my opinion - no flaming). The interior is just a nice place to be in and reminds me of the countless hours I have spent lapping the ring in the SLS on my PS3 :) Performance wise, they both seem to be closely on par. The GTI delivers a bit more push in the back of the seat due to it power delivery and DSG. The Benz is a little more 'old manish' but still plenty quick for a road car. If you are looking for outright performance, go and buy the Jap stuff. People come to the german cars for refinement.

I would have bought the MK7 GTI if it was available and I hadn't looked at the Benz. But I did look at the Benz and I couldn't be happier with my choice. If I want mega thrills, I hop into my Rotax DD2 go-kart.

Either way, I am know all MK7 and Benz owners will be smiling as they are awesome cars.

P.S. - I love the diamond grill! maybe I am getting old :)

[pologti18t]

The statement about the MK7 blitzing the Benz due to the fact that it 'feels' faster is a bit short sighted.

A spec'ed up GTI is a direct competitor to the A250. Both cars are unquestionably exceptionally engineered that have slightly different characteristics that suit different demographics.


Doesn't this months Wheels test the current GTi against the A250 and find the GTI comes up winner. What does that say about the MK7 GTI against the A250?

[TuNeS]

Doesn't this months Wheels test the current GTi against the A250 and find the GTI comes up winner. What does that say about the MK7 GTI against the A250?

I have not read the review. I am replying to comments made in this thread. I think the wheels magazine is available tomorrow so I will read it tomorrow :)

[Sharkie]

Doesn't this months Wheels test the current GTi against the A250 and find the GTI comes up winner. What does that say about the MK7 GTI against the A250?

Yes, current MK6 GTI bests the A250 ..... not only is it quicker in all tests than the A250 it also scores a 8.5/10 where the A250 scores a 8/10 overall. Both beaten by the Megane and Opel Astra OPC ..... :P Article says best A class ever but as a hot hatch not as good as a MK6 GTI. So what does that say for the upcoming MK7 GTI .... ?

However, with the A45AMG now confirmed at $75K in Australia, I think an A class that I may actually consider is within range and on its way :cool:. Waiting lists to be long with over a 100 pre-orders already .....

For $25K less I'd probably stick with a new MK7 R with 220kw though

[alebonau]

think some great posts from clip and tunes that capture well what the a250 is all about. answering your question kaktusdigital its a quick car and feels very sure footed. in traction it felt a step ahead than the gti. perhaps guys its the added refinement of the a250 makes it feel a tad slower. I dont know I didnt get that feeling of slowness as such. but it isnt as "raw" as gti and with traction doesnt scramble around way gti can at times. different people will interpret this stuff differently am sure. keep in mind my thoughts really based on a limited drive. ownership probably bring more thoughts I suspect :)

[kaktusdigital]

we look forward to the ownership rundown :) shouldn't be too long now hey?

unfortunately only in Mandarin, and no subtitles at this point.
A250 VS MK6 GTI
é*‚尖鋼ç*²å°�決 A250 vs GTI - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4vrJWdgnZ5A)

[alebonau]

we look forward to the ownership rundown :) shouldn't be too long now hey?

~

oh its killing me ! that damn lease company ! just waiting for them to ring to say...your car will be ready to pick up on.....


~

unfortunately only in Mandarin, and no subtitles at this point.
A250 VS MK6 GTI
é*‚尖鋼ç*²å°�決 A250 vs GTI - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4vrJWdgnZ5A)

thanks for that link. watched it....for the visuals :D anyone know what the guy had to say ? :)

[TuNeS]

oh its killing me ! that damn lease company ! just waiting for them to ring to say...your car will be ready to pick up on.....


My "Contract for the purchase of a new vehicle" lists the delivery date as 12 July. It's a long wait..........

[DoggieHowser]

I have some very rudimentary understanding but here goes. Don't shoot the bad translator.

Here goes:

==============
This is the first time we are reviewing two cars together.

The first car is the Mercedes Benz A250 which is highly anticipated. I have driven the A250 in the past, in (some European country) so this time we are bringing its biggest rival the GTI even though there is a big price difference between them. We should be comparing the 7th gen but it is not in Taiwan yet. The price difference is 50k (I assume Taiwan dollar)

As you can see from the specs, these two cars are very similar. I'm sure many will ask why the price changes so much with just a change in the logo. We will try to explain why there is this disparity today.

Some description about the styling on the grille which I'm not quite sure how to translate. He talks about the red swoosh which is common across all colors. He mentions the red halo lighting on the HID which also stands in contrast to the regular A series and gives a more aggressive character.

The lines are the same as other A class with a few differences: the sunroof as an optional extra, the 18" rims from AMG and the underpinnings are completely different which have been tuned by AMG.

The rear lights are all LED including signal lights (side note from me: some Mercs have led tail lights but regular bulbs for signal indicators)

Like the front, there's a red accent in the rear bumper to mark this as the A250 Sport

Styling is a matter of personal preference. Some will prefer the GTI. Some might find the A more modern.

The first area of comparison is storage capacity. Neither have electric tail gate. Both open to about the same height but differ in how tall the opening is from the ground. The A boot is taller and will require more effort to lift heavy luggage.

In terms of space, the A class is clearly smaller.

Both cars have a 60 40 rear seat split but the A has a flatter boot when reclined vs the GTI (personal side note - I believe the 7th gen GTI fixes that) but it is a small difference.

Even though these cars are meant to be sporty cars, it is inevitable that we would need to ferry family members in the back.

The A class has better rear seat comfort by a big margin. And also build quality (?) even without factoring the leather.

But it is also deficient in a few areas. No rear air vents. No centre arm rest. The legroom is worse. By a few fingers width vs the GTI.

First thing you notice when you pop open the bonnet is the lack of support hydraulics like with the GTI. The engine has the same capacity as the GTI and is similar except for a few areas which I will share later.

He goes on to talk about the specs (0-60 top speed, power torque etc)

The 7 speed DSG on the A is smoother and not as aggressive as the 6 speed on the GTI but in terms of acceleration they are similar.

The safety specs are similar on both cars. The Merc doesn't lose out to the GTI. Traction control etc are standard. The only thing is that the Merc doesn't have launch control. However, I don't recommend using the launch control as it may damage the gear box.

The color LCD display is a bit disappointing. It is not the same one we saw in Slovenia. It is smaller and not as full featured and doesn't have reverse camera. Air conditioner is only single zone(?) (translator note: this may not apply to Aus specs)

The steering mounted gear control lends a less sporty feel to the A and may be disappointing to those who want a sportier feel. For women drivers, or those who aren't into cars, this may be a source of confusion. You may be concerned about accidentally tripping the controls when you drive but there are some safety protocols in place. (? Could be wrong here)

The steering wheel is similar to other a class with trip computer controls on the left and audio controls on the right. The A250 adds red stitching.

The front seats do not have adjustable headrests but both have electric seats with memory. The GTI loses out here. The 5th gen had it but not the 6th (must be Taiwan specs).

The GTI seat however is more supportive? Than the Merc.

In terms of pricing, even though the Merc is pricier, the equipment(?) and the comfort (in the way the noise and harshness of the road is insulated from the cabin) helps explain the difference. If the Merc scores 100 in NVH, the GTI scores only 60.

He said that the other factor for the price difference is how the engine performs. The A feels like a stage 1 modded GTI of a 240ps output.

The GTI here is modded to 300ps. If the GTI scores 100 for performance, the Merc scores 90.

On the track, the modded GTI would probably do 59s on the test track. The A250 did it in 1 minute flat. That shows a lot of potential if you perform some handling mods.

While the practicality loses out a little to the GTI, the interior feels a lot better built. This would account for the higher price tag and might be reasonable for some.

While not a consideration for spirited drivers, another factor would be fuel consumption. On the highway, the GTI would need to be above 2000rpm to achieve 100km/h when cruising.

As you can see on the video, the 7 speed DCT on the Merc allows it to maintain low revs (<2000rpm) even at 100km/h and would result in very low fuel consumption.

[TuNeS]

Just the read the wheels article. They rated the 4 hot hatches as follows:

A250 Sport - 8
Astra OPC - 9
Megane - 9.5
Golf GTI - 8.5

It's a good read and talks about the pro's and con's of all the cars. They seem to compare the A250 and the GTI with eachother and the Megane with the OPC which makes sense and just use the lap times/sprint times of all 4 cars to tie it into one article. The Opel and the Renault are aimed more at the pure performance side and the younger demographic while the GTI and A250 are more refined and better all rounders, but not as brutally quick.

The article is definitly written with a slant on pure performance as the Megane wins the shootout and I think it is the least desirable car (IMO). And well, the Astra is still an 'Astra'. They also mark the Benz down on cost, however they tested the base spec GTI which doesnt come with all extras to compare apples vs apples.

Again, you cant go wrong with any of these cars. Just need to choose which features interest you the most. For everyday use, the GTI and Benz are heads and shoulders above the others (again, IMO).

Be interested to see what others think of the article.

[pologti18t]

They also mark the Benz down on cost, however they tested the base spec GTI which doesnt come with all extras to compare apples vs apples.
.

Apples with apples? Does having or not having a sunroof make that much of a difference to how it drives? Neither the OPC or RS265 even have an option of a sunroof!

VW should be applauded for bringing in a car that isn't burdened by loads of unnecessary and expensive equipment. Sunroofs, HIDs are an expensive irrelevance for most people.

[alebonau]

the golf gti will always be hard to beat for bang for buck. especialy in stripped bare form. neither the astra opc or megane are even consideration for me. thanks though tunes for hte wheels run down and doggie for the transalation of the youtube review :)

[TuNeS]

Apples with apples? Does having or not having a sunroof make that much of a difference to how it drives? Neither the OPC or RS265 even have an option of a sunroof!

VW should be applauded for bringing in a car that isn't burdened by loads of unnecessary and expensive equipment. Sunroofs, HIDs are an expensive irrelevance for most people.

Sunroof is just one thing and I agree it makes no difference to how the car drives. My point is that if you put all the features on the GTI that come standard on the A250, they are priced very similar.

I also do see the point you're making, however why would you not buy a WRX for 40k that outperforms the German's in pure performance...........Because people do actually appreciate build quality and the luxury comforts that are on the VW/Merc. 2 of my colleagues just bought runout MK6 GTI's and neither were under 50k.

Both the VW and Merc are aimed at slightly different market segments and they cross over in the middle. I just think the article is heavily weighted on track performance when that is something the minority do for 1% of owning a vehicle. Benz and Astra aside as they are new, there are loads of GTIs on the road compared to Meganes and they scored them 8.5 / 9.5.

[alebonau]

Just the read the wheels article. They rated the 4 hot hatches as follows:

A250 Sport - 8
Astra OPC - 9
Megane - 9.5
Golf GTI - 8.5

It's a good read and talks about the pro's and con's of all the cars. They seem to compare the A250 and the GTI with eachother and the Megane with the OPC which makes sense and just use the lap times/sprint times of all 4 cars to tie it into one article. The Opel and the Renault are aimed more at the pure performance side and the younger demographic while the GTI and A250 are more refined and better all rounders, but not as brutally quick.

The article is definitly written with a slant on pure performance as the Megane wins the shootout and I think it is the least desirable car (IMO). And well, the Astra is still an 'Astra'. They also mark the Benz down on cost, however they tested the base spec GTI which doesnt come with all extras to compare apples vs apples.

Again, you cant go wrong with any of these cars. Just need to choose which features interest you the most. For everyday use, the GTI and Benz are heads and shoulders above the others (again, IMO).

Be interested to see what others think of the article.

grabbed the mag on the way home. so will read in the evening after dinner :)

[alebonau]

finished reading the article. definitely performance orientated comparison that one. but they do highlight other aspects. ie they actually say the gti is a stiffer ride than the a250 ! the megane seems the worst for comfort and opc a bit more compliant. handling wise the merc is very well commended saying

"The benz changes direction sweetly and hunkers down nicely in the bends" "its not highly strung, nor does it demand close attentionevery moment, or suprise those who dont pay it enough respect. This is the hot hatchyou could safely buy for your son or daughter. It rides bumps without getting upset or loosing its way, although it does follow undulations a little too faithfully. It has body control to get through corners without excessive lean, yet is pliant enough to not be skittish over rough surfaces" - I must say the sure footedness self assured nature of the merc to me was a real standout.

interiors the merc is commended well, the golf easiest to interact with but is also described as "Bland" the megane as "cheapest" they are quite complimentary of the opcs interior but is a bit overladen with buttons it seems.

the OPC is huge in the power stakes it seems but appears suffers badly with turbo lag and be overtaken by a bus if get stuck under 4000 rpm !

I like the conclusion -

"As for the undercard bout, 10 years ago I never imagined I'd enjoy driving an A class. But I really enjoyed the A250 sport. Somebody in stuttgart did their homework, because it nails the hot hatch fundamentals . Its less malleable at its limits than the golf, but still packages good, fun driving in a nimble chasis.

This is a front drive mercedes-benz you will want to drive. Fast. And it lays some impressive foundations for the 260kw, all wheel drive A45 AMG to build on. The A250 is a worthy hot hatch, but its not quite the equal of the golf gti. Especially not at $10k more."

and thats the thing I'll say again if want bang for buck grab the golf gti. but if spending more loading up options the a250 a great alternative. am sure some will buy one of the others for their own reasons ie the more hard edged handling or out right straight line performance. or even because a couple of them are coupes or some other aspect.

ps amazing they never threw the ford focus in this lot :)

[pologti18t]

Sunroof is just one thing and I agree it makes no difference to how the car drives. My point is that if you put all the features on the GTI that come standard on the A250, they are priced very similar.


We will have to wait and see what the MK7 GTI brings as standard equipment.

Currently 47K will get you leather, dsg and sunroof drive away.

[TuNeS]

At the end of the day, we (consumer) are spoiled for choice! I remember when I first got my license, there was the 100kw Corolla and umm......well that was it really. The Golf's never really arrived in Australia in mass till the MK4/MK5 and it wasnt until the late 90's when the SSS pulsar and the SP20 started to arrive, but they are tame by today's standards!

Now there are heaps to choose from and they are bloody fast in comparison.

[kaktusdigital]

We will have to wait and see what the MK7 GTI brings as standard equipment.

Currently 47K will get you leather, dsg and sunroof drive away.

I'd be happy to go the MK7 if that pricing is obtainable on day 1. can't wait 6-12 months to negotiate.
somehow I think we're probably looking at low 50's instead.

[alebonau]

agree tunes. when I first got my license was an old SSS datsun I got hehe. but yeah first new car I finally bought was a peugeot 306 lovely thing vs golf in 1994 had nothing of any interest was dull boring thing back then so not an option. mazda astina, sss pulsar and honda civic were then the gun things to go for. agree a lot of really good Fast options these days !

[alebonau]

I'd be happy to go the MK7 if that pricing is obtainable on day 1. can't wait 6-12 months to negotiate.
somehow I think we're probably looking at low 50's instead.

agree its hard to compare run out pricing on a model vs a new model release. will be 6-12 months if based on mk6 pricing before see much discounting I would think.

[kaktusdigital]

Hey has anyone considered the Volvo V40 R-design

55K drive away.
184kW, 350nM, sat nav & leather as standard.
Haven't read a huge amount on it though, does anyone have any experience with reliability of Volvos?

[alebonau]

Hey has anyone considered the Volvo V40 R-design

55K drive away.
184kW, 350nM, sat nav & leather as standard.
Haven't read a huge amount on it though, does anyone have any experience with reliability of Volvos?

i definitely did consider. but the volvo name/image plus terrible depreciation worried me. plus is volvo really the company they once were ?
Identity Crisis Rattles Volvo's Chinese Owner - (http://english.caixin.com/2012-05-23/100393068.html)

myself very confused with its ownership and wouldnt want to buy into something that suddenly dissapears like saab.

it looks a great car though, even if a bit unsure of styling internally that looks classy yet a bit too plain jane

[TuNeS]

Hey has anyone considered the Volvo V40 R-design

55K drive away.
184kW, 350nM, sat nav & leather as standard.
Haven't read a huge amount on it though, does anyone have any experience with reliability of Volvos?

They look great from the front and specs are great, but I didn't like rear and the interior. Depreciation is the other issue as mentioned.

[THE_EGG]

Hey has anyone considered the Volvo V40 R-design

55K drive away.
184kW, 350nM, sat nav & leather as standard.
Haven't read a huge amount on it though, does anyone have any experience with reliability of Volvos?

Yeh, if I were considering a premium sports hatch I'd consider either the V40 or A250. I read a review that said the electric steering in the V40 has killed nearly all steering feel which is a bit disappointing. But I guess you'd get used to it. Otherwise they seemed to like it.

[kaktusdigital]

Thanks for the feedback guys. I don't mind the look, and they're offering 3 years of free servicing. Been seeing their ads on TV more and more lately. The segment really is heating up with competition. It'll be interesting to see if there's a reaction (if any) from bmw, merc when the A3 launches in April/May.

[elephino]

Yeh, if I were considering a premium sports hatch I'd consider either the V40 or A250. I read a review that said the electric steering in the V40 has killed nearly all steering feel which is a bit disappointing. But I guess you'd get used to it. Otherwise they seemed to like it.

Volvos haven't had much steering feel for ages now, so to kill off what was left is an amazing feat.

[stickshift3000]

I know it's technically not a hot hatch, but the merc CLA250 appeals more to me than the A250 and is high on my list for next car.

Clever marketing and product design by merc in my opinion.

New Car Review: Mercedes-Benz CLA 250 (http://news.drive.com.au/photogallery/drive/new-car-review-mercedesbenz-cla-250-20130322-2gjmk.html)

[alebonau]

that is going to be one awesomely popular car the baby benz sedan there.

[cktsi]

I know it's technically not a hot hatch, but the merc CLA250 appeals more to me than the A250 and is high on my list for next car.

Clever marketing and product design by merc in my opinion.

New Car Review: Mercedes-Benz CLA 250 (http://news.drive.com.au/photogallery/drive/new-car-review-mercedesbenz-cla-250-20130322-2gjmk.html)

Yeah, CLA250 should be even better from a NVH point of view.

[alebonau]

Spied! Brand New BMW 4 Series Coupe Caught Undisguised! | German Car Forum News (http://www.germancarforum.com/spied-brand-new-bmw-4-series-coupe-caught-undisguised)

guys looking at the 4 series bmw coupe to come I can see a return to some really nice looking cars from bmw. low slung and with attractive styling as apart from the current hangovers of the chris bangles designs in 1 series etc which are all a bit on the odd side to look at.

next 1 series bmw I reckon will be some seriously stiff competition. but who knows how far away that is !

[alebonau]

mk6 gti next to a250

http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2013/03/IMG_1527_Amended-1.jpg

[paultrfc]

Hey has anyone considered the Volvo V40 R-design

55K drive away.
184kW, 350nM, sat nav & leather as standard.
Haven't read a huge amount on it though, does anyone have any experience with reliability of Volvos?


Here is a review from the UK.

First Drive Review: Volvo V40 T5 & D4 R-Design - SkiddMark (http://skiddmark.com/2013/01/first-drive-volvo-v40-t5-d4-r-line/)

doesn't get too good a review, which is a shame.

Most of the UK reviews of the A250 are also pretty middle of the road. I don't know if the A250 here has better specs or drives better, but am yet to see a bad review from Aus. Maybe in the UK compared to similar valued cars it just doesn't cut it.

Hopefully I will have a look at both this Easter, not sure I want another GTI as the mk7 looks pretty similar to the mk6.

Hope this helps

Paul...

[kaktusdigital]

Thanks for that mate. Yeah I agree with most of the reviews I've come across, there's no really bad one from Australia. The only complaints seem to be consistant (harsh ride) but as several members have pointed out, its not really the case.

After all's said and done, the R-design kinda looks like the A250's ugly twin from the front.

[DoggieHowser]

I dunno. I still prefer the looks of the Golf esp the GTI. But I've found that I could never get much budging on the price with my custom configured Tiguan so I expect it would be the case with the GTI as well. And that would mean a big hit when I need to sell a highly optioned car.

I wish they'd just sell a Highline GTI spec car with more things as standard. Maybe as part of the Performance Pack. And match the A250 sport in specs. Something like Dynaudio, RVC+, Adaptive Chassis, Vienna, motorized seats and side window closing, color MFD, 8" Discover Pro, bixenon. Even if that cost 49k, I'd pick it over the Merc

[alebonau]

~
Most of the UK reviews of the A250 are also pretty middle of the road. I don't know if the A250 here has better specs or drives better, but am yet to see a bad review from Aus. Maybe in the UK compared to similar valued cars it just doesn't cut it.

~
Paul...



Thanks for that mate. Yeah I agree with most of the reviews I've come across, there's no really bad one from Australia. The only complaints seem to be consistant (harsh ride) but as several members have pointed out, its not really the case.

~

our a250 is pretty loaded here, also disregard any overseas review re ride quality of the a250 as they get run flats whereas we dont. the run flats on the overseas cars is going to have an adverse effect on ride.


~
~

Hopefully I will have a look at both this Easter, not sure I want another GTI as the mk7 looks pretty similar to the mk6.

Paul...

yes main reason am not waiting for the mk7 overall I just see it too much like the mk6 :)

[tonymy01]

I wish they'd just sell a Highline GTI spec car with more things as standard. Maybe as part of the Performance Pack.
They do, it is called the Golf R.



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[DoggieHowser]

They do, it is called the Golf R.



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Really, the Golf R has RVC, Dynaudio, Adaptive Chassis Control as standard? Wasn't when I was looking.


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[tonymy01]

Really, the Golf R has RVC, Dynaudio, Adaptive Chassis Control as standard? Wasn't when I was looking.

lol... ok ok, called my bluff.
but it certainly has HID and a few other things standard that are only optional on the GTi..

[DoggieHowser]

I don't disagree the R is good value but I still think a high line GTI is a good way to improve asp. That a good number of GTI owners are jumping ship is IMHO indicative that the market is there. And not everyone wants to wait 6 months for a custom build and take a big hit in depreciation come time to sell.

[alebonau]

lol... ok ok, called my bluff.
but it certainly has HID and a few other things standard that are only optional on the GTi..

true things like bi xenons and park assist plus rear tinted windows are standard on the R thats optional on the golf. but when I looked the golf R was just as bad as the gti with the way options add up and head was going a bit giddy with the price spiralling of to the ridiculous !

eg. the golf R stock is $57,088 on the road in vic add rvc, dyn+satnav the two tone microfibre seats and sun roof and suddenly its $72k or add a bit more and a fully loaded car is $77k :O again am sure no one goes nuts with a fully optioned car but we all know options like that you never get your money back on. so its always a good thing to have a more fully loaded car as standard so dont have to loose too much by adding options :)

[martinijosh]

Lol... VW Australia pricing is beyond stupid.

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[jrgti]

Yes, VW pricing is crap. However, deep inside we all know Merc is playing catch up. Their more competitive pricing will covert more buyers to them which means less R/GTI on the road (and that is good) and force VW to lower their price eventually or include more options for free, increase warranty, lower capped price servicing etc (but not after everyone has jumped ship).
I personally would like to see more people buy a Merc so that there is less of the car I want (the R or audi quattro).

[XTC838]

the next-gen WRX may post an even bigger threat if they could make it look like this and priced around what it is now:

Next-gen Subaru WRX images leaked! (http://www.forcegt.com/news/next-gen-subaru-wrx-images-leaked/)

[DoggiesUtd]

the next-gen WRX may post an even bigger threat if they could make it look like this and priced around what it is now:

Next-gen Subaru WRX images leaked! (http://www.forcegt.com/news/next-gen-subaru-wrx-images-leaked/)

is that legit?
looks like a lexus on the side

[JT_MKVi]

the next-gen WRX may post an even bigger threat if they could make it look like this and priced around what it is now:

Next-gen Subaru WRX images leaked! (http://www.forcegt.com/news/next-gen-subaru-wrx-images-leaked/)

Looks nice, but is it just me or does it remind you of a commodore - obviously would be much smaller though.

If they can keep the centre of gravity nice and low with the BRZ style boxer, and maybe 2 door?

Guess that would rule out a High Performance BRZ, would be cannabalising themselves

[alebonau]

is that legit?
looks like a lexus on the side

looks a bit "concept" but good to see subaru styling taking turn for the better would hope. their styling of the liberty is god awfull and really looks like an old mans car that one !

[alebonau]

Drive - New Audi A3 Revealed Ahead of 2013 New York Motor Show (http://theage.drive.com.au/motor-news/audi-puts-the-boot-into-a3-20130327-2gtpp.html)

new audi a3. I like :)

pity no model between the turbo petrol 1.8 and full blown s3. but looks like the s3 is a beaut more cla45 competition for merc and probably has a price to match !

[OilBurna]

Has any considered a 125i hatch 160kw stock chipped easily to 180kw rwd and manual or 8spd auto just have to get past ugly duckling looks

[alebonau]

Has any considered a 125i hatch 160kw stock chipped easily to 180kw rwd and manual or 8spd auto just have to get past ugly duckling looks

the 8 spd auto is actually pretty good, and engine is sweet. but yeah the ugly duckling is hard to get past. both inside and out. I thought maybe something could get to live with/love. but decided its a lot of cash to outlay on something two minds about. cost wise its very pricey too if try option upto merc a250 levels.

[Dutch77]

BMW.. as previously discussed I could cope with the looks - with M-Sport ticked it doesn't look so bad, but its horribly priced.. but even that pales in comparison to its woeful packaging. Interior space doesn't exist.. to the point where even if they shaved the $15-20k needed to make it viable I couldn't buy it, I barely fit.

[Dutch77]

looks a bit "concept" but good to see subaru styling taking turn for the better would hope. their styling of the liberty is god awfull and really looks like an old mans car that one !

A WRX lover/owner at work commented that it had a little Camaro in it.. which I guess ties in with the Commodore comment as well. The original WRX sketches a few years ago seemed to focus more on a 3 door hatch, a bit in the Veloster guise. I am guessing that the withdrawal from WRC and a desire to sell more product in the USA has changed the plan? Plus BRZ fills the two door void.

A bit too overdone, although I accept its a concept only. Even if they Mazda 6-ified the interior I wouldn't be looking though.. got the Euro bug.

[cktsi]

Wrx concept looks nice. Best looking since the original... Probably even better. Just hope the interior improves from the current el cheapo stuck in the 90s look

Re BMW 1 series... Honestly only looks that a mother could love. That's why i was "forced into" the 328i instead of the 128i. Yes, the 8 speed is a dream to work with in comparison to 7DSG. Unfortunately turbo cars still cannot give that instanenous "kick" that the twincharger does.

Back on topic, the wrx will be an alternative if they can get the interior right. Maybe the jap firms need to start poaching euro designers the same way Kia did.

[alebonau]

well I've made the switch, bye bye golf gti loved you while I had you...and hello merc a250 :D

over the moon ! one big grin and the wife absoluely loves it :)

took a few pics,

Merc A250 Photos by alebonau | Photobucket (http://s1243.photobucket.com/user/alebonau/library/merc%20a250?page=1)

[macdub]

Congratulations!! Looks great. Would love to hear from you more on how it drives..What a great start of easter..Enjoy..

[Scratchyratface]

Very nice! The red is striking, is that the A250 Sport? I guess you didn't have to wait long for it?

[tonymy01]

looks great, except those oval pea shooter exhaust tips :)

[JT_MKVi]

Congrats looks great, love how the red lip really stands out ;)

[alebonau]

thanks guys :)


Very nice! The red is striking, is that the A250 Sport? I guess you didn't have to wait long for it?

pre ordered last year so been a bit of wait :D


looks great, except those oval pea shooter exhaust tips :)

hehe love em ! :)

[TuNeS]

well I've made the switch, bye bye golf gti loved you while I had you...and hello merc a250 :D

over the moon ! one big grin and the wife absoluely loves it :)

took a few pics,

Merc A250 Photos by alebonau | Photobucket (http://s1243.photobucket.com/user/alebonau/library/merc%20a250?page=1)

Nice one mate. I have to wait till July! I will live vicariously through you till then :)

[lenojd]

I drove one of these a few weeks back and thought it was a really nice car.

If I was in the market for a GTI now, I would definitely think seriously about the A-Class, it was a much better 'place to be' and whilst I know we haven't seen the MK7 and know what is included, the interior in the pics looks close enough to the MK6 which felt almost identical to my MK5. The A-Class felt really really nice inside!

[Amalgam]

And from left field :

New York motor show: Subaru WRX Concept | Autocar (http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-york-motor-show/new-york-motor-show-subaru-wrx-concept)

[alebonau]

Nice one mate. I have to wait till July! I will live vicariously through you till then :)

oh july will be here before you know it ! but know what you mean the wait was killing me ! :)

[alebonau]

I drove one of these a few weeks back and thought it was a really nice car.

If I was in the market for a GTI now, I would definitely think seriously about the A-Class, it was a much better 'place to be' and whilst I know we haven't seen the MK7 and know what is included, the interior in the pics looks close enough to the MK6 which felt almost identical to my MK5. The A-Class felt really really nice inside!

yeah thats the thing with the mk7 for me though different I understand with the platform just looks too much like mk6 to me. I know vw do upgrades that are incremental and for good reason with a winning formula, but yeah myself was looking for a bigger step change :)

[alebonau]

And from left field :

New York motor show: Subaru WRX Concept | Autocar (http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-york-motor-show/new-york-motor-show-subaru-wrx-concept)

lookin good ! now if subaru dont stray too far from the concept they might have a real looker in their range :)

[thezoneR32]

well I've made the switch, bye bye golf gti loved you while I had you...and hello merc a250 :D

over the moon ! one big grin and the wife absoluely loves it :)

took a few pics,

Merc A250 Photos by alebonau | Photobucket (http://s1243.photobucket.com/user/alebonau/library/merc%20a250?page=1)

Congrats mate what an awesome looking car! The quality/design of the interior is miles above the gti (sorry I do like the gti but......) plus your neighbours will think you've dropped $100k on a merc!
4 Questions,
1) Does the A250 sport come with an LSD?
2)Can the 7spd take more than 350NM?
3) Is someone doing a tune for these?
4) Can I fit a drum kit in the back?

[alebonau]

Congrats mate what an awesome looking car! The quality/design of the interior is miles above the gti (sorry I do like the gti but......) plus your neighbours will think you've dropped $100k on a merc!
4 Questions,
1) Does the A250 sport come with an LSD?
2)Can the 7spd take more than 350NM?
3) Is someone doing a tune for these?
4) Can I fit a drum kit in the back?

hehe thanks the zone,

no LSD but it puts power down better than the golf which used to scramble around for grip and could even get to axle trap. not had that with the merc. but possible have not pushed it hard enough as yet or found limits :)

the 7spd I believe is used across the merc range and good for 450 nm.

some mentions of tunes from brabus and others around the world but not seen heck of a lot locally in oz.

drum kit :lol: seats do fold flat but no clue about a drum kit hehe.

[alebonau]

some weights and measures :)

merc a250
L 4292mm, H 1433mm, W 1780 mm, W/base 2699mm, F/track 1553mm, R/track 1552mm, Fuel 56L, Weight 1432 kg

vw golf gti
L 4213mm, H 1501mm, W 1780 mm, W/base 2578mm, F/track 1533mm, R/track 1514mm, Fuel 55L, Weight 1380 kg

[backdoc]

Kind of off topic, but based on the pics of the CLA45 AMG released today I'm definitely putting in an order for that beast!

[noone]

The back looks horrible in the shots I've seen, I'm sure the driver experience would outway some squinty taillights.

I can't see that car being the 80K they say it will...

[JT_MKVi]

Completely agree. It looks ok from most angles, even the side profile is nice, but the rear three quarter angle is possibly the ugliest angle of a merc ever

[backdoc]

Completely agree. It looks ok from most angles, even the side profile is nice, but the rear three quarter angle is possibly the ugliest angle of a merc ever

It's funny isnt it how we perceive the same things so differently. I actually think that is the best view of the car.......even better than the aggressive front. Side profile does look great and those quad pipes.

I plan on preordering and suspect it will be about 95k on the road, maybe with an option or two.

[DoggieHowser]

It's funny isnt it how we perceive the same things so differently. I actually that is the best view of the car.......even better than the aggressive front. Side profile does look great and those quad pipes.

I plan on preordering and suspect it will be about 95k on the road, maybe with an option or two.

I guess it just shows taste can be personal. I quite like the rear as well.

Reminds me a lot of the CLS

http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2013/03/waldmercedescls63amgtouchedbysrautophoto-1.jpg

http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2013/03/MercedesCLA08-1.jpg

[JT_MKVi]

Yes, it is all subjective. I still love my MKVI though. Got this understated look yet still slightly aggressive.

Don't know why but my inner hon has been reawakened or something but I'm totally in live with the brz and wrx. One of those will be my next car

At least until I sit in the cabin lol

[backdoc]

http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2013/03/5089831f6f58ae87f008dbdc6739c6bf_zpsd842-1.jpg

[cktsi]

well I've made the switch, bye bye golf gti loved you while I had you...and hello merc a250 :D

over the moon ! one big grin and the wife absoluely loves it :)

took a few pics,

Merc A250 Photos by alebonau | Photobucket (http://s1243.photobucket.com/user/alebonau/library/merc%20a250?page=1)

Congrats!

What tyres did they fit your your car? Would you recommend those?

I took one for a test drive today and must say I am impressed (and forgot to check out the tyres). For me, i am not looking for outright performance, but this has all the grunt i would need for my purposes. I love the warbling sound the exhaust makes on the downshift!! Also love listening to the wastegate... No reason to close the roof except very high temps and rain!!

I decided to buy this month's wheels mag, and yes whilst the numbers are behind the others... so what. Look at all the equipment they give you!! Also, the car's ergonomics are fantastic AND it is quiet like the Golf.

The A250 to the other hot hatches, are like the wrx and sti to these hot hatches. Different priorities in a spectrum of vehicles that put priorities on different attributes. I value comfort, functionality and ergonomics above outright speed and pick the A250 over the bunch personally.

I have no idea why some reviews are panning their twinclutch low speed operation. To me it was as smooth as any torque converter... And definitely better than the DQ200 at low speed!!

[kaktusdigital]

I have no idea why some reviews are panning their twinclutch low speed operation. To me it was as smooth as any torque converter... And definitely better than the DQ200 at low speed!!

I see you're also rocking a 118TSI, as a direct comparison, would you say the power down low is similar or is there a noticeable difference? I'm also interested to know how the ride quality is compared to the 118 with a sport pack.

[alebonau]

Congrats!

What tyres did they fit your your car? Would you recommend those?

I took one for a test drive today and must say I am impressed (and forgot to check out the tyres). For me, i am not looking for outright performance, but this has all the grunt i would need for my purposes. I love the warbling sound the exhaust makes on the downshift!! Also love listening to the wastegate... No reason to close the roof except very high temps and rain!!

I decided to buy this month's wheels mag, and yes whilst the numbers are behind the others... so what. Look at all the equipment they give you!! Also, the car's ergonomics are fantastic AND it is quiet like the Golf.

The A250 to the other hot hatches, are like the wrx and sti to these hot hatches. Different priorities in a spectrum of vehicles that put priorities on different attributes. I value comfort, functionality and ergonomics above outright speed and pick the A250 over the bunch personally.

I have no idea why some reviews are panning their twinclutch low speed operation. To me it was as smooth as any torque converter... And definitely better than the DQ200 at low speed!!

thanks cksti, mine came with standard tyres which are the continental contisport SP's lovely tyres great blend of grip and traction vs comfort. where I absolutely hated the orginal tyres on the golf gti which were the michelin primacy and couldnt wait till could swap them out, with the conti's on the merc am very pleased to point if had to replace down the track would go with the same.

we came back from a couple of hours drive and must say this is a very comfortable car to be in over distance :)

love the exhaust sound indeed. ps I understand with the pana roof the dealer mentioned the rain sensor is always active and if detects rain will shut the roof. plus did you notice it has anti buffetting so no buffetting if open the roof right up !

[cktsi]

I see you're also rocking a 118TSI, as a direct comparison, would you say the power down low is similar or is there a noticeable difference? I'm also interested to know how the ride quality is compared to the 118 with a sport pack.

Well, as i have been saying in other threads, nothing beats the instant response of the supercharger. However, once the car picks up a few rpms it gets going it will reel in the 118tsi. No different to other high powered turbo cars. The 118 even makes my F30 328i feel laggy, but then it feels it runs out of lungs at the higher rpms.

As for ride quality, i havent driven a sports suspended Golf much for a comparison. All i can say is that it's very well tuned for comfort and sporty handling.

the 25 min demo drive is not long enough to find nuances beween the. MB and the Golf... Best defer to alebonau for a comparo.

No matter what, all i can say is that for your next car, no matter which brand if it is available tick the option for adaptive suspension. It is worth it! I have only driven VW and BMW adaptive and they are very good!

[backdoc]

Put a 2k deposit yesterday on a CLA45 AMG. Giddy up! Now I have to wait 11 months:(

[DoggieHowser]

Put a 2k deposit yesterday on a CLA45 AMG. Giddy up! Now I have to wait 11 months:(

Nice :) how much is it? And what's standard?

[backdoc]

Nice :) how much is it? And what's standard?

They are claiming same standard spec as the A45:

19-inch alloy wheels, an intelligent lighting system, panoramic glass roof, front and rear parking sensors, blind-spot warning, lane-departure detection, leather-trimmed heated and electrically-adjustable seats, COMAND online interface and a Harman/Kardon stereo

Price is not confirmed. Various articles have suggested a 5k premium on the A45, so about 80k before options and on roads.

TBH the only options are likely to be carbon fibre upgrade, metallic paint and maybe some AMG tweaks.

I went into it thinking it would be 85 to 90k on the road. I've asked specifically for a 2014 build, so delivery is for March. First cars arrive December.

At my dealership they already had close to 20 per-orders.

[TuNeS]

Put a 2k deposit yesterday on a CLA45 AMG. Giddy up! Now I have to wait 11 months:(

very, very.....nice!

[zoomda]

Well over the last week I've test driven an A250, Golf GTI, Focus ST, Megane 265 and even a Veloster Turbo. I was going to take an Opel Astra for a spin as well but have decided not to as it is manual only and after driving the others I really want an auto/dual clutcher.

I'm going to wait for the Golf VII. I have a Golf VI 118TSI (and the Mrs has a Polo GTI) and the current model Golf GTI while quicker isn't going to feel like a new car really. The GTI was the smoothest and nicest out of all the cars I tested. Yes the A250 has a very classy interior and a less boring exterior than the GTI but I found it too slow. The engine note wasn't great and the sound on the downshifts was more embarrassing than cool. I'll take the GTI's DSG fart instead any day. The boot size on the A250 is way too small. Golf wins again in that comparison.

The 250 is also pretty darn expensive. The base model comes with lots of things but they are things I just don't want (sunroof for example). The car I drove had the comand pack and the driver assist. Stereo upgrade in the comand pack wasn't as good as the DynAudio I've heard in a skoda. The driver assist is very cool and a worthy add on but I was surprised when I couldn't get the car to park itself at the dealership (sales guys said it doesn't work near the building for some reason).

Dual Zone aircon is an addon. The comand screen is an eye sore(such a beautiful interior wrecked by a non integrated screen!), hard to see in direct sunlight and isn't touch screen.

I can see the appeal of the A250 but for me it isn't the right car. I look forward to seeing the Golf VII later this month as that will give me an indication of what to expect of the GTI in October.

Megane was fun but not comfortable enough, Veloster was surprisingly good but the doors don't work for me.

I've ended up having a new found appreciation of the twin-charger. You just don't get that near instant surge that you do from the supercharger in the other cars. For day to day drive I'm not revving the engine hard but I am stopping and starting a lot which is when the appreciation of the twin charger is really noticeable.

It's a shame it hasn't been overly reliable. A twincharged 2.0 Golf GTI would be awesome.

[cktsi]

Well over the last week I've test driven an A250, Golf GTI, Megane 265 and even a Veloster Turbo. I was going to take an Opel Astra for a spin as well but have decided not to as it is manual only and after driving the others I really want an auto/dual clutcher.

I'm going to wait for the Golf VII. I have a Golf VI 118TSI (and the Mrs has a Polo GTI) and the current model Golf GTI while quicker isn't going to feel like a new car really. The GTI was the smoothest and nicest out of all the cars I tested. Yes the A250 has a very classy interior and a less boring exterior than the GTI but I found it too slow. The engine note wasn't great and the sound on the downshifts was more embarrassing than cool. I'll take the GTI's DSG fart instead any day. The boot size on the A250 is way too small. Golf wins again in that comparison.

The 250 is also pretty darn expensive. The base model comes with lots of things but they are things I just don't want (sunroof for example). The car I drove had the comand pack and the driver assist. Stereo upgrade in the comand pack wasn't as good as the DynAudio I've heard in a skoda. The driver assist is very cool and a worthy add on but I was surprised when I couldn't get the car to park itself at the dealership (sales guys said it doesn't work near the building for some reason).

Dual Zone aircon is an addon. The comand screen is an eye sore(such a beautiful interior wrecked by a non integrated screen!), hard to see in direct sunlight and isn't touch screen.

I can see the appeal of the A250 but for me it isn't the right car. I look forward to seeing the Golf VII later this month as that will give me an indication of what to expect of the GTI in October.

Megane was fun but not comfortable enough, Veloster was surprisingly good but the doors don't work for me.

I've ended up having a new found appreciation of the twin-charger. You just don't get that near instant surge that you do from the supercharger in the other cars. For day to day drive I'm not revving the engine hard but I am stopping and starting a lot which is when the appreciation of the twin charger is really noticeable.

It's a shame it hasn't been overly reliable. A twincharged 2.0 Golf GTI would be awesome.

Nice write up. Totally agree with you on the twincharger! In theory my 328i is faster but isn't as satisfying as my twincharger. That car puts a smile every time I drive!

Yes, the a250 panel does look out of place but my eyes don't have to wander as far away for viewing as the golf nav.

For me the a250 class means more than the performance so I am prepared to forgive it for that

[zoomda]

Nice write up. Totally agree with you on the twincharger! In theory my 328i is faster but isn't as satisfying as my twincharger. That car puts a smile every time I drive!

Yes, the a250 panel does look out of place but my eyes don't have to wander as far away for viewing as the golf nav.

For me the a250 class means more than the performance so I am prepared to forgive it for that

It's a lovely car. No doubt about it. Just not right for me.

Who knows though, by the time the new GTI lands I might be singing a different tune!

There is a lot of choice out there at the moment. The Focus was a lot of fun as well but again, no auto. I drive around a lot for work and not always with both hands on the wheel which means I don't have a spare hand to be changing gears :)

[cktsi]

Interesting article comparing A class to golf and A3

VW Golf vs Audi A3 vs Mercedes A-class (2013) CAR review | Road Testing Reviews | Car Magazine Online (http://www.carmagazine.co.uk/Drives/Search-Results/First-drives/VW-Golf-v-Audi-A3-v-Mercedes-A-class-CAR-giant-test/)

[alebonau]

not really the cooking gti level models those. in australia the audi a3 is probably the most disappointing for price I must say !

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I give up reading reviews! They are so contradictory. Here's another review, not comparing a vag vehicle, so my appologies as not really relevant in this forum, but as the mb A series has taken up so much of this thread, thought it might be interesting, but also highlights the contrary reviews. BTW, eventhough this is supposidly an Aust review, the reporter states that the A250 is on runflats! My understanding is that they don't.
Mercedes Benz A250 Sport vs BMW 125i | carsguide.com.au (http://www.carsguide.com.au/news-and-reviews/car-reviews-road-tests/mercedes_benz_a250_sport_vs_bmw_125i)

VERDICT (from the review)
It has to be the Benz. Only in its transmission does the BMW assert a clear advantage and there's rather more to prestige car ownership than gear shifting. In all other respects the Benz is a deeply desirable device and an infinitely pleasant place to spend time.

[backdoc]

From America, but thoughts.......


So the new CLA250 is no C Sport Coupe. Instead, it really reminds me of the original kinderBenz, the 190e. Like that car, this one represents a genuine high-stakes investment in Mercedes-Benz’s future, and I’m willing to bet the CLA will pay off as handsomely in the U.S. as the 190 did everywhere else. Its running gear seems capable of cashing the checks written by its bold, aggressive styling. And if Volkswagen isn’t careful, I suspect this could end up being the car GTI owners want to graduate into…


2014 Mercedes-Benz CLA250
BASE PRICE $30,000-$32,500 (est)
VEHICLE LAYOUT Front-engine, FWD/AWD, 5-pass, 4-door sedan
ENGINE 2.0L/208-hp/258-lb-ft turbocharged DOHC 16-valve I-4
TRANSMISSION 7-speed twin-clutch auto
CURB WEIGHT 3250-3300 lb (mfr)
WHEELBASE 106.3 in
LENGTH X WIDTH X HEIGHT 182.3 x 70.0 x 56.6 in
0-60 MPH 6.5-7.0 sec (MT est)
EPA CITY/HWY FUEL ECON Not yet rated
ON SALE IN U.S. Fall 2013 (Spring 2014, 4Matic)


Read more: 2014 Mercedes-Benz CLA250 First Drive - Motor Trend (http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/sedans/1303_2014_mercedes_benz_cla250_first_drive/viewall.html#ixzz2NFl2IZCb)

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Just reflecting on these reviews, if one review puts the gti ahead of the a250, and another puts the a250 ahead of the 125i by 4.5 to 3.5 points out of 5, then that puts the gti way ahead of the 125i - with what could only be a perfect score of 5/5 :banana: Go the gti!

[jrgti]

I think it will be same old excuse that it is not as fun to drive as the others. It is such an awesome car, they just have to find any excuse for it.

[alebonau]

the golf gti is a lot of fun to drive. the thing is all these cars are not rubbish. all with aspects that are going to appeal. particular aspects will appeal more to some than others will have people choosing one over the other. isnt it great the options out there. we sure are spoilt for choice in the hot hatch segment these days :)

[alebonau]

incase a lover of things of french persuasion, there is more golf gti competition coming in the peugeot 308 gti

Peugeot 308 GTi on the cards | Auto Express (http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/peugeot/308/63644/peugeot-308-gti-cards)

the 208gti to soon launch should be a good pre cursor
http://www.caradvice.com.au/226693/peugeot-208-gti-review/

red lip and all :D

hopefully they do indeed bring 5 door versions and dont just get stuck in 2 doors only like the 208 gti.

[Mac135]

Personally I'm liking the look of the s3 saloon. My roc R is 12 months old next week and at this stage I be looking at a 2015 swap. Might know what the next Roc might be like by then but for the moment the S3 saloon has my attention.

[DoggieHowser]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f7gst2VVLso&feature=share

Conclusion - if Volkswagen isn't careful, I wouldn't be surprised if this ends up being be the car the GTI owners wanna graduate into.

[THE_EGG]

Indeed and here is a quote from Top Gear's review of the GTI
"Prices start at £25,845 for the 219bhp three-door, rising to £28,895 for the 229bhp five-door with the DSG (worryingly close to the BMW 135i’s £29,950). "

Knowing BMW though, the Golf would probably have more toys and wouldn't be likely to smash your pelvis going over speed bumps. Even so, the 135i is a considerably quicker car and I suspect a better driver's car.

[alebonau]

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Conclusion - if Volkswagen isn't careful, I wouldn't be surprised if this ends up being be the car the GTI owners wanna graduate into.

what do you mean ends up and wanna, I already made the switch ! :D

but yeah comparisons with bmw 135i in uk hard to comprehend from our perspective here in australia where thats more audi S/RS territory I think !

[TuNeS]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f7gst2VVLso&feature=share

Conclusion - if Volkswagen isn't careful, I wouldn't be surprised if this ends up being be the car the GTI owners wanna graduate into.

What really frustrates me is how we get bent over so severely in Australia. 30k for a CLA250! Ok he admits you need to option it up and it comes close to the 40k mark. Either way, 40k vs 60k is rubbish considering the power of our dollar at the moment.

[TuNeS]

what do you mean ends up and wanna, I already made the switch ! :D


I skipped the switch and went straight to it! I know the Golf is awesome, but its aesthetics are so uninspiring - almost Camry like.

[DoggieHowser]

What really frustrates me is how we get bent over so severely in Australia. 30k for a CLA250! Ok he admits you need to option it up and it comes close to the 40k mark. Either way, 40k vs 60k is rubbish considering the power of our dollar at the moment.

You are preaching to the converted ;)

[backdoc]

I skipped the switch and went straight to it! I know the Golf is awesome, but its aesthetics are so uninspiring - almost Camry like.

I love my golf, but there was nothing that inspired me between that and an M3 or a C63. Problem was I didn't have 175k to spend on a car. Enter CLA45 AMG. Stats that rival a 911, under 90k, head turning looks. Yes please.

[TuNeS]

I love my golf, but there was nothing that inspired me between that and an M3 or a C63. Problem was I didn't have 175k to spend on a car. Enter CLA45 AMG. Stats that rival a 911, under 90k, head turning looks. Yes please.

If you have a 90k budget for a car, your ability to be inspired moves to a new level :)

[alebonau]

Drive - Renault Megane GT Estate Review (http://theage.drive.com.au/new-car-reviews/first-drive-review-renault-megane-gt-220-estate-20130507-2j5dy.html)

renault 220 GT estate. more practical 5 door hatch version of the RS series. this one detuned and not quite as quick. good to see renault release someting like this. but no dual clutch transmission and manual only ... will loose a lot of sales here because of that.