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MrDeathLad
08-10-2012, 01:10 PM
Hi all, this may sound stupid but please for give me if it is.
I have a 6r polo 77tsi and was looking through the manual to find what oil to use. All I found was the vw spec. Vw 502 000 and when searched on the net (read: googled) I found various different oil weights that comply with the standard. My question is, how can I know what oil weight is best for my car? Some of the weights found are as follows; 0w-30, 5w-40 and 10w-40

Thanks in advance for any info

Hillbilly
08-10-2012, 01:19 PM
Castrol SLX Professional Powerflow longlife 5W 30 is the recommended oil by VW, according to the pamphlet included in my owners manual.

phaeton
08-10-2012, 02:05 PM
Penrite Oil - A Better Class Of Oil (http://www.datateck.com.au/Lube/PenriteAus/) there is a product selector on the website.

Your owners manual also tells you what specification oil is required - in the Engine Specification booklet.

Amalgam
08-10-2012, 03:21 PM
Hi,

Any oil that is 5W-30 and meets VW 502.00. The approvals are normally printed on the back of container and can be found on the oil manufacturers web site. Many have a "Lube Match" or similar page in which you enter your cars details and it will recommend the correct oil. FYI VW 504/507 supersedes 502/505 and therefore is also suitable.

From other thread in this forum,

Supercheap have Shell Helix Ultra Extra on sale for $50. Thanks to Ian.
http://www.vwwatercooled.org.au/forums/f77/shell-helix5w-30-504-507-repco-%2449-95-a-77507.html

A list of approved 504/507 oils. Thanks to Transporter.
https://erwin.volkswagen.de/erwin/volkswagen/files/oil/step_50400_50700.pdf

Transporter
08-10-2012, 04:07 PM
Also when choosing the oil for your new car, keep in mind that the latest oil will be the most suitable for the latest emission devices in your car, so saving a bit of money to buy a cheaper oil, doesn't have to be the most economical for you in the long run. I use 504/507.00 for every engine from 2004. The notorious TSI oil burners could benefit from 5W40 or 10W40 but make sure that it is suitable for your engine.

MrDeathLad
09-10-2012, 06:44 PM
thanks for all the info guys, will head into supercheap tomorrow after work and check things out

cheers, Ben

richycreations
04-01-2013, 02:59 PM
Hey guys still awaiting delivery of my polo gti, in the past with my evo I have always ran royal purple. Does anyone know if it is safe to run the royal purple 5w40?

Hillbilly
04-01-2013, 03:31 PM
Hey guys still awaiting delivery of my polo gti, in the past with my evo I have always ran royal purple. Does anyone know if it is safe to run the royal purple 5w40?


VW approved oils

https://erwin.volkswagen.de/erwin/volkswagen/files/oil/step_50400_50700.pdf

Hillbilly
17-01-2013, 05:40 PM
Despite my above post I had the POLO serviced today and they put ELF 10 w 40 semi synthetic in it

I questioned it but they said it was an approved oil for a 77TSI

Transporter
17-01-2013, 09:41 PM
Despite my above post I had the POLO serviced today and they put ELF 10 w 40 semi synthetic in it

I questioned it but they said it was an approved oil for a 77TSI

I use ELF oils but, I wouldn't use ELF Competition 10W40 in your Polo. I doubt that it's approved oil, the specs aren't that clear about it.
http://www.totaloil.com.au/Pages/content/NT0000C572.pdf

Diesel_vert
18-01-2013, 03:30 PM
Despite my above post I had the POLO serviced today and they put ELF 10 w 40 semi synthetic in it

I questioned it but they said it was an approved oil for a 77TSI

Your engine requires a lubricant that is approved to either 502.00 or 504.00

The only VW standard that Elf lubricants with an SAE grade of 10W-40 (there are several) are approved for, is 501.01 (petrol) and 505.00 (diesel).

Elf Competition SM 10W-40 (if that is what the mechanic used) is not one of those products - it is not on any one of VW's list of approved lubricants (to date).

Hillbilly
18-01-2013, 06:00 PM
Your engine requires a lubricant that is approved to either 502.00 or 504.00

The only VW standard that Elf lubricants with an SAE grade of 10W-40 (there are several) are approved for, is 501.01 (petrol) and 505.00 (diesel).

Elf Competition SM 10W-40 (if that is what the mechanic used) is not one of those products - it is not on any one of VW's list of approved lubricants (to date).

Dont know what it is but was just over $9 a litre They only listed it as 10W 40 semi synthetic.

I asked if it was approved VW oil and he fudged a bit and said yes I said I thought it should be 504/507 and he said it was suitable.

Dont think I will go back there but they do specialise in VW

Umai Naa!!
18-01-2013, 06:32 PM
$9 a litre pretty much says this is just an oil designed for everything else.

Hillbilly
21-01-2013, 10:46 AM
On asking they say it is approved and is ELF RUBIA POLYTRAFFIC 10w 40

I cant find anywhere that says it is approved by VW

Umai Naa!!
21-01-2013, 11:02 AM
Probably because it isn't.

Sadly, there's a few too many cowboys out there claiming to be 'experts' in the product.

Diesel_vert
21-01-2013, 03:43 PM
On asking they say it is approved and is ELF RUBIA POLYTRAFFIC 10W-40

I cant find anywhere that says it is approved by VW

The Elf Rubia range of lubricants are primarily designed for heavy duty diesel engines. As such, I would not expect it to have any formal VW approvals, and indeed it doesn't. The workshop is either misinformed, ignorant or lying - contact Elf and ask for yourself.

Not saying you can't use heavy duty lubricants in passenger cars (many people do) but IMO it's not the optimal solution for a VW TSI engine.

For a lubricant to pass VW 502.00 usually requires a synthetic base (not semi-synthetic or mineral base). I think that's an important consideration IMO, especially for any petrol engine with a turbo.

Hillbilly
21-01-2013, 08:00 PM
The Elf Rubia range of lubricants are primarily designed for heavy duty diesel engines. As such, I would not expect it to have any formal VW approvals, and indeed it doesn't. The workshop is either misinformed, ignorant or lying - contact Elf and ask for yourself.

Not saying you can't use heavy duty lubricants in passenger cars (many people do) but IMO it's not the optimal solution for a VW TSI engine.

For a lubricant to pass VW 502.00 usually requires a synthetic base (not semi-synthetic or mineral base). I think that's an important consideration IMO, especially for any petrol engine with a turbo.

The manual says it should have 504 for time servicing which is what mine gets as its only done 9800km in two years.

I d/loaded the Approved oil list from ER Win and the only 504/507 ELF oil is either Solaris LLX or Excellium which is a diesel oil anyway.
I have written them a letter voicing my displeasure and asking for a refund of the oil and filter price.

I guess I should go and buy the correct oil and filter and do a change myself.

Isnt the sump plug supposed to be replaced as well at oil changes Read somewhere it should be.

Umai Naa!!
21-01-2013, 08:36 PM
I would personally recommend replacing it everytime. Otherwise, you'll be replacing sumps every now and then when the thread strips out.

You could replace the washer, but that'd mean cutting the old one off, as it's captive. For the $4.00 or so, I replace them every time, without fail.

Diesel_vert
21-01-2013, 09:19 PM
The manual says it should have 504 for time servicing which is what mine gets as its only done 9800km in two years.

That's interesting, since Volkswagen usually permit the use of either 502.00 or 504.00 in their TSI engines, if the car is not on LongLife* servicing.

*Variable 15 000 km/1 year - 30 000 km/2 year intervals, as determined by the car via built-in sensors.

504.00 has increased performance requirements compared to 502.00 - so if your car is really only supposed to use 504.00 oils, then that's what I'd expect the workshop to use, especially during the warranty period.



I d/loaded the Approved oil list from ER Win and the only 504/507 ELF oil is either Solaris LLX or Excellium which is a diesel oil anyway.

There are specific combinations Volkswagen approve (e.g. 501.01/505.00, 502.00/505.00, 504.00/507.00, etc). They normally don't approve any lubricant unless it's dual rated (i.e. petrol/diesel). For instance, you will never find a lubricant on the market that only meets 504.00 but not 507.00, or vice versa.



Isn't the sump plug supposed to be replaced as well at oil changes Read somewhere it should be.

For any car, replacing the sump plug washer when draining oil through the sump is best practice.

If that involves replacing the sump plug as well, then so be it.

Hillbilly
21-01-2013, 09:50 PM
That's interesting, since Volkswagen usually permit the use of either 502.00 or 504.00 in their TSI engines, if the car is not on LongLife* servicing.

*Variable 15 000 km/1 year - 30 000 km/2 year intervals, as determined by the car via built-in sensors.

504.00 has increased performance requirements compared to 502.00 - so if your car is really only supposed to use 504.00 oils, then that's what I'd expect the workshop to use, especially during the warranty period..


My manual says 504 for "with longlife" 502 "without longlife" so what should it be

No matter which, the oil used is not an Approved VW oil and therefore shouldnt have been used in a 9000km car IMHO Is it not better to use the highest spec oil ( 504/507) rather than just "One that will do" ???

Umai Naa!!
21-01-2013, 10:24 PM
504/507.

You can't go wrong. Volkswagen Australia have specified this for our market, in all vehicle across the range, built since 2007.

Diesel_vert
21-01-2013, 10:45 PM
My manual says 504 for "with longlife" 502 "without longlife" so what should it be

You must use 502.00 at the very least. Approved 502.00 lubricants are absolutely fine to use, just not as advanced as 504.00 is all.

You can use 504.00 even if your vehicle isn't on the LongLife regime, but it must be changed at the same fixed intervals - no later than 15 000 km/1 year.



No matter which, the oil used is not an Approved VW oil and therefore shouldn't have been used in a 9000km car IMHO

It should not have been used regardless of mileage if the vehicle is under warranty.



Is it not better to use the highest spec oil ( 504/507) rather than just "One that will do" ???

I recommend the use of 504/507 lubricants, particularly in FSI/TSI/TDI engines.

504/507 is backwards compatible with VW's older specifications like 503/506, 502/505, etc (except for the R5 TDI and V10 TDI), but I don't specifically recommend 504/507 in older engines when 502/505 will do just fine in these applications.

Hillbilly
22-01-2013, 04:36 PM
Have changed oil and filter to Castrol approved 504/507 so should be OK now.

Garage who stuffed up giving reasonable refund so I wont name them or go back there either