Mk7 Golf R Discussion Thread

[XTC838]

The new S3 has just been released and going by previous history, the Mk7 Golf R may share its 221kW of power.

2013 Audi S3 packs 221kW of power (http://www.forcegt.com/news/2013-audi-s3-packs-221kw-of-power/)

[Ryan_R]

That S3 looks fantastic, and only 6.9l/100km... surely not. :pant:

[buzuki]

nice :cookie:

[h100vw]

Going to be tough squeezing more power from that by the looks of things. Can't see Stage 1 software making 5kws being really popular for a thousand bucks. :cookie:

[tigger73]

Going to be tough squeezing more power from that by the looks of things. Can't see Stage 1 software making 5kws being really popular for a thousand bucks. :cookie:

Have to go straight to stage 2 :)

[Ryan_R]

http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2012/09/2013_audi_s38-1.jpg

Any room for going beyond 1.4bar (20psi)?

[DoggieHowser]

Man the S3 interior and exterior looks gorgeous.

[jazd]

Any room for going beyond 1.4bar (20psi)?

Pfft 1.4bar..

Gav - there's always room for movement ;)

[Lima]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7lZbxuMYVPE

[JustCruisn]

The exhaust blips on over run are just horn :drool:

[Candyman]

I found that video rather underwhelming ?

In fact, the car is rather boring in looks as well ?

[jrgti]

That S3 looks fantastic, and only 6.9l/100km... surely not. :pant:



I don't believe it either but everywhere I've read seems official- with S Tronic I believe. That is more fuel efficient than the Golf GTI 6.

[nickows]

If the MK7 R inherits this engine it should have more shove coming on lower in the rev range compared to the current R. Torque figures: 380Nm between 1800-5500rpm. Impressive.

Audi Australia’s Anna Burgdorf claims there have been no suggestions of a special hot-climate detune for our market for the new S3.

We'll have to wait and see

[dsta]

I don't think the S3 looks that good tbh :s

Like you Candyman, a little underwhelmed! Performance sounds good though!

[ViezuAustralia]

221kw stock at 20psi. That's going to be tuning heaven. My money's on 250 ++ kw even with just a touch more boost.

They had to raise the bar though with the Merc A45 AMG coming out. Looking forward to next year !

[AdamD]

221kw stock at 20psi. That's going to be tuning heaven. My money's on 250 ++ kw even with just a touch more boost.

250+kw peak power, and 380NM+ from 1800rpm? Bring on the next R - I do believe I have my upgrade path. :cool:

[Paul_R]

Wheels Magazine (November) suggests Golf R will have 200kW and 350Nm. Surely not!
The GTI is going to have 169kW and 350Nm too.

I'm not happy if this is true...

[Golf-Sam]

Audi always one-ups Vw for some reason .. VW cheaps out sometimes .. not cool

[Deadpool]

I think this time around the .:R is going to have less than the S3. The S3 sales kinda sucked thanks to the current .:R being cheaper and exactly the same. They'll have to give some sort of incentive to go with the S3 and that'll most likely be the power boost.

Agree with a few of you guys, very underwhelmed. Power seems good though.

[AdamD]

Wheels Magazine (November) suggests Golf R will have 200kW and 350Nm. Surely not!
The GTI is going to have 169kW and 350Nm too.

I'm not happy if this is true...

As long as it's mechanically identical, ~250kw should be just a tune away.

[elephino]

I think this time around the .:R is going to have less than the S3. The S3 sales kinda sucked thanks to the current .:R being cheaper and exactly the same. They'll have to give some sort of incentive to go with the S3 and that'll most likely be the power boost.

Agree with a few of you guys, very underwhelmed. Power seems good though.

I'm expecting "officially" less than the S3, say 218kw.

[Deadpool]

I'm expecting "officially" less than the S3, say 218kw.

211kW at the most I reckon.

[DoggieHowser]

In the MkVI GTI engine, there was no variable valve for exhaust while the A3 2.0TFSI did. IIRC

[Deadpool]

In the MkVI GTI engine, there was no variable valve for exhaust while the A3 2.0TFSI did. IIRC

How many people who bought GTI's and A3's are actually going to know that let alone care? It's all about figures and appearance man. It's all the masses will ever care about.

[DoggieHowser]

Just saying that might account for the difference in output numbers.

[Deadpool]

Just saying that might account for the difference in output numbers.

Yeah, I happened to get that after I posted. :facepalm:

[AdamD]

In the MkVI GTI engine, there was no variable valve for exhaust while the A3 2.0TFSI did. IIRC

Several Audis did get the variable timing head on the EA888, but the A3 2.0 TFSI was not one of them. It got the 147kw/280Nm version (same as the GTI, with a slightly different exhaust and milder tune). The variable timing engine put out 350Nm.

[Paul_R]

Drive have an article about the BMW 1 series sedan. BMW are planning an M120i with AWD and around 221kW!
Should be interesting. Wonder what they will charge for it?

[Candyman]

Drive have an article about the BMW 1 series sedan. BMW are planning an M120i with AWD and around 221kW!
Should be interesting. Wonder what they will charge for it?

Based on previous pricing, around 40% more than an R, which will look better, cost less to modify and hold value better

[Ryan_R]

I presume the "look better" isn't based on any previous 1 series? :P

[DoggieHowser]

I think candyman is saying the R looks better.

Ps I do agree that the BMW and Mercs have a high markups but I also read that the discounts can be quite substantial vs VWs which are barely discounted outside of the Driveaway deals or corporate discounts (which aren't open to all or are increasingly curtailed)

[alebonau]

in considering my next car, I did take a peep at the golf R but my god I got a shock when optioned up it soon bacame a $75 k prospect ? people spending that sort of dough on a golf ? I hope they pack a bit more standard gear in the golf R for the mk7 ! really keen to see what the mk7 looks in the flesh. the golf and gti look a tad tame am hoping the mk7 golf r has a bit more edge to it :)

[Ryan_R]

Don't go checking out how much a spec'd up BMW, Merc, or Audi hatchback costs then ;)

[pologti18t]

in considering my next car, I did take a peep at the golf R but my god I got a shock when optioned up it soon bacame a $75 k prospect ?

Always amused by people who check every option box on a car then complain how expensive it is :)
If you can pick up a Golf R DSG for 56K how do you add 20K more to the price?

[DoggieHowser]

Always amused by people who check every option box on a car then complain how expensive it is :)
If you can pick up a Golf R DSG for 56K how do you add 20K more to the price?

The question isn't the options per se but what should be included. I think the Golf R is fairly well spec-ed but the lack of Adaptive Chassis one of the "selling points" of the MkVI seems a bit low-rent to me.

[alebonau]

Don't go checking out how much a spec'd up BMW, Merc, or Audi hatchback costs then ;)

well thats the problem, newer cars are coming with a lot more stuff as standard. eg the merc a250 as you have suggested all I'd need would be a command pack to add to a pretty well loaded standard car. ofcourse the golf r for same spec level needs options taking to $77k actually. ofcourse the golf r is 0.5s quciker I think and 4wd but why is it so much more expensive ?

a fully loaded roc is $61k seems a lot more car for the money and much better value,

a golf gti needs $17.6k of options ! and coming upto $67k to match the a250 merc which is $58k on the road with the command option !

note I havent added every option on the list, just those to match an a250 merc.

bmw no question theyre stupidly priced and can imagine audi is no different they go through the roof when option up. and we all know spending up on options makes no sense as they mean didly squat on resale.

[Ryan_R]

Guess there must be a few people out there who just want the go fast bits for the least price. Can always get a nicely spec'd 2nd hand R for around 45k

[cktsi]

I have been considering the R and it is not $77k. The list price for all options except hk sound is $63k. I have never paid on roads so that's the fair price to be evaluating against mercs, BMW and audi's.

Still works out cheaper than the c250.... Plus the r is quicker than the c250 and A4. At this spec u have to ask if u want the R or the A4 or 328i

[alebonau]

I have been considering the R and it is not $77k. The list price for all options except hk sound is $63k. I have never paid on roads so that's the fair price to be evaluating against mercs, BMW and audi's.

Still works out cheaper than the c250.... Plus the r is quicker than the c250 and A4. At this spec u have to ask if u want the R or the A4 or 328i

ooh I think I stuffed up there as doubled up on gps, dyn and gps+dyn option pack. either way its $72,179 not sure how can get cheaper.

I'm using the carsales calculator which have found usually pretty correct.
New Volkswagen Golf Hatch Specs (http://www.carsales.com.au/new-cars/details.aspx?R=638631&__Qpb=1&vertical=Car&Cr=1&__Ns=p_HasPhotos_Int32|1||p_Year_String|1||p_Relea seMonth_Int32|1||p_Make_String|0||p_Model_String|0&__N=2994+3296+4294939368+4294842695+4294914124&silo=1304&seot=1&__Nne=15&trecs=2&__sid=13AB91E54E36)

options are GPS+dyn pack($3,600), sunroof electric ($1,900), camera rear vision ($500), motorsport front seats microfibre leather ($5300),

thats a list price of $52,490 of the car plus total of $11,300 of options, on road cost is $6,194, dealer delivery is $2194 all up $72,179

would you mind giving us a list of what your suggesting for each option please in that case as theres no way I'd get $63k for a golf R with the lot apart from HK sound whatever that is.

also please keep in mind ,my listing of pricing didnt include any discounting. just talking list price. discounting is a can of worms, what I get as discount from certain dealer on a certain car wont be what you get under different circumstances.

also am not comparing with c250 or a4 as they are sedans am comparing with just the merc a250 hatch at this stage :)

its just in my initial exploration I do think pricing is something vw does have to do something about as seems out of kilter with what else is out there in models and brands from other makers.

I accept totally whats been said earlier that some might just get the base car and be happy with it bare bones. for me though looking new am comparing with a car that comes with a lot more as standard so I guess am trying to compare them on an even footing. I also do like these options so not a case of just loading up a car. my mk6 golf gti I got with leather and sunroof only and in hindsight I wish I had some of the other goodies but even there the gti new with options loaded up seem to get a bit silly. and something I do hope vw work on the mk7 :)

[readerr0r]

What alebonau really points out is that options never go in price for the life of a model. Options may get added onto it as standard in Model Year updates (ie my Polo had $1500 of options added as standard while it was waiting to be built) but the prices for the remaining ones never drop.

So when something like the Mk6 which is nearing it's run compares to newer vehicles, things can get awkward pretty fast...

The best way to save in your situation is the question how much you want the Sunroof and save about $1000 by just getting the Dynaudio package alone and getting a good place like JKU.com.au to supply and install an RNS510 for cheaper.

[cktsi]

would you mind giving us a list of what your suggesting for each option please in that case as theres no way I'd get $63k for a golf R with the lot apart from HK sound whatever that is.



Ooopss... I'll have to back track a bit. I mis-read alebonau and he typed A250, not C250. I was trying to spec up a Golf R to match a C250/ Audi A4 Quattro 2 TSI / 328i. So I added leather (not the sports seat or it wouldn't be equivalent), electric seat, RNS510. We're at $59k. I was being a bit fanciful and threw in adaptive chassis (which only the C250 has as standard) plus sunroof (which I want anyway) to get to $62,300.

Since the A4 Quattro & 328i are roughly in the same performance ballpark (the 328i more-so), we're getting pretty close and there's only $4k in it.

My logic was that since we're in the ballpark region, if I wanted to make the leap, I'm only adding another $5k-$7k which isn't much at this price level. Of course at a lower price point $7k is a larger proportion of the car's cost.



also am not comparing with c250 or a4 as they are sedans am comparing with just the merc a250 hatch at this stage :)


True... I should not be comparing hatches with sedans. The only reason I was mentioning the A4 and 328i was to illustrate the point that a specc'ed up R brings you very close to the price point of Bimmers & Audi's that are close in performance. But to make the comparison valid, I had to spec up the R by putting in electric seats, leather, nav etc

A 328i with sunroof & adaptive suspension is $68,650... but comes with leather, nav, electric as standard & close in performance to the R.

btw, I'm using list prices here with no discounts... and I think it is possible to negotiate the R with the RRP as drive away.

[alebonau]

thanks cktsi, some interesting comparisons there,


What alebonau really points out is that options never go in price for the life of a model. Options may get added onto it as standard in Model Year updates (ie my Polo had $1500 of options added as standard while it was waiting to be built) but the prices for the remaining ones never drop.

So when something like the Mk6 which is nearing it's run compares to newer vehicles, things can get awkward pretty fast...

The best way to save in your situation is the question how much you want the Sunroof and save about $1000 by just getting the Dynaudio package alone and getting a good place like JKU.com.au to supply and install an RNS510 for cheaper.

hi reader, yep to give you an idea when we went to buy my wifes mazda3 on run out the 1st salesman we talked to, tried to tell me mazda dont discount and was trying to charge me the same price for the run out model as a new model even though the new model had stability control as standard etc etc. long story short went to another dealer and got the run out model at pretty hefty discount.

look similar thing might happen to the golf r if new model has more stuff as standard where you paying extra for it as options on the existing model. good for people buying the new model but not good for those whom already paid more for the older model. a trap with any car I guess ! :)

[Ryan_R]

You could also spend that $5k-$7k modifying the Golf R to make it a lot quicker than those Mercs and Audis ;)

[AdamD]

Guys, this thread is not for determining the best deal price on a Mk6 R (or anything else for that matter). Let's get back on topic please. ;)

[alebonau]

Guys, this thread is not for determining the best deal price on a Mk6 R (or anything else for that matter). Let's get back on topic please. ;)

am keen to know what the golf R mk7 will have as standard, the point is the mk6 can end up a bit silly in price with options and question is will the mk7 be the same :)

[cktsi]

Just a thought, the final power output of the new R and/or RS3 may rest on how VW want to respond to the AMG A45. Hopefully that is back on topic as I agree it was going off track :-)

[AdamD]

am keen to know what the golf R mk7 will have as standard, the point is the mk6 can end up a bit silly in price with options and question is will the mk7 be the same :)

There is absolutely no way to tell until the prices and specifications are released for the Australian market by VWA. So you'll just have to hold tight. :)

[pologti18t]

How come when I go to the BMW and select price of 328i it comes to $72k? With no options.

You need about $11K of options to get what you want in a 328i

The M135i is the better comparison.

[DoggieHowser]

I always see a fair bit of discounting on BMWs and Minis especially with the options whereas I hardly seem to get much leeway with VWs.

[AdamD]

Guys, this thread is about Mk7 Golf R speculation. At this point in time, when the model has yet to be even previewed in Europe, we are a long way off having detailed specification and pricing available for the Australian model. Which means that discussion about bargaining with dealers, and detailed pricing comparisons with models currently on the market is off-topic.

If you'd like to discuss Golf R pricing comparisons in detail, with known figures, feel free to read through and contribute to the thread dedicated to this in the Mk6 section:
Golf R Specifications and Prices - 2nd Edition (http://www.vwwatercooled.org.au/forums/f112/golf-r-specifications-prices-2nd-edition-52317.html)

But if you'd like to speculate about the Mk7 R's features, spec, performance etc, feel free to post here. :)

[anglo_dude]

Hmm, interesting, looks like the new GTI will have a 7 speed dry clutch, as per the Polo GTI:

27-09-12: Golf GTI shown at Paris Motor Show, on sale in Summer 2013.

2.0-litre turbo engine with 220PS, also available with 230PS performance pack, which also enhances handling and brakes and includes a limites slip diff. Either six-speed manual or seven-speed dry clutch DSG. Acceleration from 0-62mph takes 6.6 seconds and top speed is 155mph. Official economy is 47.1mpg on the combined cycle.

A variable ratio steering system means drivers get direct and immediate steering on country roads with no adverse effect on low speed manoeuvres and town driving. The steering wheel itself has a flat bottom. The cabin gets traditional tartan seat trim, along with a golf ball gearstick red ambient lighting. Outside the car gets the usual red grille stripe, as well as red brake calipers and smoked LED light clusters.

This was taken from HonestJohn.co.uk, which is a pretty good unbiased website.

220PS is about 162KW (230 is 169), so not a huge increase in power, but the 100kgs less in weight should mean 1-2/10ths off the 0-100 time.

I would expect to see the Rs coming in just around the 200KW, so as not to steal the thunder of the S3, but that should still be a lot of fun!

Cheers,

Anglo

[THE_EGG]

Hmm, interesting, looks like the new GTI will have a 7 speed dry clutch, as per the Polo GTI:

27-09-12: Golf GTI shown at Paris Motor Show, on sale in Summer 2013.

2.0-litre turbo engine with 220PS, also available with 230PS performance pack, which also enhances handling and brakes and includes a limites slip diff. Either six-speed manual or seven-speed dry clutch DSG. Acceleration from 0-62mph takes 6.6 seconds and top speed is 155mph. Official economy is 47.1mpg on the combined cycle.

A variable ratio steering system means drivers get direct and immediate steering on country roads with no adverse effect on low speed manoeuvres and town driving. The steering wheel itself has a flat bottom. The cabin gets traditional tartan seat trim, along with a golf ball gearstick red ambient lighting. Outside the car gets the usual red grille stripe, as well as red brake calipers and smoked LED light clusters.

This was taken from HonestJohn.co.uk, which is a pretty good unbiased website.

220PS is about 162KW (230 is 169), so not a huge increase in power, but the 100kgs less in weight should mean 1-2/10ths off the 0-100 time.

I would expect to see the Rs coming in just around the 200KW, so as not to steal the thunder of the S3, but that should still be a lot of fun!

Cheers,

Anglo

Do we know if it is a proper mechanical limited slip diff? or is it the electronically managed one which can be seen in the Scirocco etc?

The 'R' certainly looks tasty though. I wonder if the Scirocco will get an updated drivetrain once the mkVII range is fully released.

[AdamD]

Hmm, interesting, looks like the new GTI will have a 7 speed dry clutch, as per the Polo GTI

VW don't (currently) have a dry-clutch DSG capable of more than 250Nm; they do, however, have the (relatively) new DQ500 7-speed wet-clutch DSG, which is their high-torque application unit. At this stage I reckon it's more likely the GTI and R will get that gearbox, rather than VW go to the trouble of developing another new 7-speed DSG with high torque capabilities.

[Ryan_R]

Given the problems a lot of us have had I'd prefer if they didn't use a dry DSG box for any of their Mk7 cars ;)

[cktsi]

Given the problems a lot of us have had I'd prefer if they didn't use a dry DSG box for any of their Mk7 cars ;)

+1

I doubt they would use the dry clutch in light of worldwide issues with it. Pretty sure it would be the same as the wet clutch S tronic

[Mac135]

Personally id like to see the TTRS 2.5l 5 in the new R range - would likely keep the AMG a class and new 1m's in check plus give VW a point of difference in the next Golf Or Roc R.

Probably not likely though.......

[elephino]

Volkswagen R GmbH / Die Leidenschaft des Motorsports - weiterentwickelt (http://www.volkswagen-r.de/#!home)

[oshuyi]

Volkswagen R GmbH / Die Leidenschaft des Motorsports - weiterentwickelt (http://www.volkswagen-r.de/#!home)

2014 Volkswagen Golf R: icy unveiling for flagship hot-hatch | CarAdvice (http://www.caradvice.com.au/210693/2014-volkswagen-golf-r-icy-unveiling-flagship-hot-hatch/)

It looks like it'll be detuned again :mad:

[Ryan_R]

Why don't they just sense the air temp and dynamically detune the engine only when it's extra hot. Surely Europe has hot days as well during summer? Nothing APR or Viezu or CC or the rest of them couldn't fix.

[Candyman]

We also have crap fuel compared to a lot of the Europe countries, apparently ....

[DoggieHowser]

Doesn't the S3 use a 7 speeder DSG? Why does the Golf get the short end of the stick? That gearbox is good for even the TTRS as I recall.

[elephino]

2014 Volkswagen Golf R: icy unveiling for flagship hot-hatch |*CarAdvice (http://www.caradvice.com.au/210693/2014-volkswagen-golf-r-icy-unveiling-flagship-hot-hatch/)

It looks like it'll be detuned again :mad:

That article isn't suggesting it's detuned compared to the EU version, just compared to the S3.

[tigger73]

Doesn't the S3 use a 7 speeder DSG? Why does the Golf get the short end of the stick? That gearbox is good for even the TTRS as I recall.

Yeah they even stick the DQ500 in the Tig. I think this is mainly due to heavier weight/towing capacity.

[DoggieHowser]

Yeah they even stick the DQ500 in the Tig. I think this is mainly due to heavier weight/towing capacity.

why is why it boggles the mind why the R won't have the DQ500!

[tigger73]

why is why it boggles the mind why the R won't have the DQ500!

It'd mean the tuners wouldn't sell so many DSG upgrade kits for starters.

[DoggieHowser]

It'd mean the tuners wouldn't sell so many DSG upgrade kits for starters.

I don't think VW is thinking of the aftermarket segment, The 6 speeder used in the GTI is fairly robust too.

It's more likely a product differentiation. But an R badge should count for something.

[AdamD]

why is why it boggles the mind why the R won't have the DQ500!

Just because that article states it doesn't mean it's fact. Until VW reveals it, that info is all speculation.

My money's on the DQ500 at this stage - it has a higher maximum torque rating (the 6-speed is rated by VW to 350Nm).

[orkers]

Looks like the "Frozen Beast" reveal (Volkswagen R GmbH / Die Leidenschaft des Motorsports - weiterentwickelt (http://www.volkswagen-r.de/#!home)) wasn't the new Mk7 R at all, but the convertible R which looks like it's still based on the Mk6 design?

Boo.

[dsta]

bloody hell, what a disappointment :s

[INOV8]

Talk about an anticlimax! I was looking forward to seeing the new R :mad:
May still be unveiled at Geneva though, fingers crossed

[Paul_R]

WJ has a link to an article in the Mk 6 GTI vs R thread.

Golf R will have 210kW, 380Nm, 1200kg!!!, better exhaust note and better Haldex system.

I'm excited...

[AdamD]

This is the link...

New VW Golf R heads seven new models | Autocar (http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/2013-volkswagen-golf/new-vw-golf-r-heads-seven-new-models)

...and it's pure fiction on the weight front. 1350-1400kg depending on doors, transmission and spec is my guess. (The 2013 Audi S3 3-door weighs 1395kg.)

[skartua858]

might get restricted down here ? ;)

[cktsi]

So look to the just announced S3 stats for pointers to the R

2014 Audi S3 Sportback 5-door Unveiled, On Sale In Australia Late In 2013 | Reviews | Prices | Australian specifications (http://www.themotorreport.com.au/55942/2014-audi-s3-five-door-sportback-revealed)

The S3's improvement is not enough. It is abt to get its arse kicked badly by this

Mercedes A 45 AMG Hot Hatch Revealed: Power, Features And Specifications | Reviews | Prices | Australian specifications (http://www.themotorreport.com.au/55938/mercedes-benz-a45-amg-unveiled-australian-debut-set-for-late-2013)

I would think the S3 would be priced close to the A45 AMG in which case there is no contest.

Golf R will have it good being at a much lower price point.

[Daz85]

The S3's improvement is not enough. It is abt to get its arse kicked badly by this

Mercedes A 45 AMG Hot Hatch Revealed: Power, Features And Specifications | Reviews | Prices | Australian specifications (http://www.themotorreport.com.au/55938/mercedes-benz-a45-amg-unveiled-australian-debut-set-for-late-2013)

I would think the S3 would be priced close to the A45 AMG in which case there is no contest.

Golf R will have it good being at a much lower price point.

I Don't think the S3 is meant to compete with the A45, 70k vs 80-90k. Audi still needs to release the RS3 which should closely match the A45.

[alebonau]

http://sphotos-a.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/404505_426225997452699_596547164_n.jpg

serious looking seats on the a45, but seriously I dont think this is golf r territory, in some ways the a45 has bought the golf r a life and will let it carve its own niche if merc do go for the $80k + pricing on the a45 :)

[Ryan_R]

That's more an Audi RS3 competitor let alone an S3 or R. Especially given the performance figures.

[Deadpool]

That's more an Audi RS3 competitor let alone an S3 or R. Especially given the performance figures.

Too bad we can't get it here due to ADR approval. :(

[pologti18t]

Too bad we can't get it here due to ADR approval. :(

the current RS3 is a bit a one trick pony

[cktsi]

I just checked redbook, and the S3 is currently $71,200. If someone was walking around with $71,200 to spend, is $80k that much of a stretch between the S3 and the A45? I don't think there's enough pricing daylight between the two vehicles is my point.

I would argue that to make the price comparison fair, you would spec up the S3 to match the A45. We know the A250 comes with a standard sunroof. Adding a sunroof to the S3 brings it to $74k.... so the value proposition in favour of the A45 becomes even greater.

I would agree the RS3 is a closer & fairer comparison specification wise, but unless Audi does something about the pricing I can't see how it would touch the A45.

Back on topic, the R (assuming it was to retain its pricing) is in a far more comfortable position than the S3 :-)

[zbeasty]

A birdie told me that the R will be released at Geneva this week and will be down on power for Aus "Hot Climate" 199kw.

[AdamD]

A birdie told me that the R will be released at Geneva this week and will be down on power for Aus "Hot Climate" 199kw.

That's a fairly big power drop... if true. Who's your birdie then?

Tuners will bring all that power back... and a lot more.

[Tom87]

I heard the 2014 Golf R's seats will be made of a mix of leather harvested from baby seals in the Atlantic and Russian fox hide procured from Hitler's own leather collection.

[jrgti]

So look to the just announced S3 stats for pointers to the R

2014 Audi S3 Sportback 5-door Unveiled, On Sale In Australia Late In 2013 | Reviews | Prices | Australian specifications (http://www.themotorreport.com.au/55942/2014-audi-s3-five-door-sportback-revealed)

The S3's improvement is not enough. It is abt to get its arse kicked badly by this

Mercedes A 45 AMG Hot Hatch Revealed: Power, Features And Specifications | Reviews | Prices | Australian specifications (http://www.themotorreport.com.au/55938/mercedes-benz-a45-amg-unveiled-australian-debut-set-for-late-2013)

I would think the S3 would be priced close to the A45 AMG in which case there is no contest.

Golf R will have it good being at a much lower price point.

At the end of the day, I have a feeling I will still see more gti/r than the mercedes. The way I see it, the standard A class hatch is relying on the mercedes brand to compete especially when it used to look like a little van. I know for a fact it won't be as practical, personally I don't like the interior and the dual clutch could be inferior.
One good point of the Merc is that the entertainment system integrates really well with the iPhone. The merc iPhone app even includes SatNav which gets displayed on the screen.

[INOV8]

What, no R at the the Geneva show......WTF! I was waiting for a concept version at least :mad:

[team_v]

What, no R at the the Geneva show......WTF! I was waiting for a concept version at least :mad:

Isn't Geneva mainly for the update + gti and the Franfurt/Worthersee one usually for the R and special models?

[oshuyi]

Volkswagen Golf Mk7 wins European Car of the Year |*CarAdvice (http://www.caradvice.com.au/217878/volkswagen-golf-mk7-wins-european-car-year/#disqus_thread)

Some one commented that they have seen the spec of the S3 , and the power figure is 209kw due to our hot climate.:(

[INOV8]

Isn't Geneva mainly for the update + gti and the Franfurt/Worthersee one usually for the R and special models?

I doubt they will wait for the Frankfurt show in September to unveil the new R (i hope). I need to make a decision on my next car!!! :headbanger:

[Ryan_R]

There was a R wagon concept which was even stranger

[lenojd]

hope it isn't too far away now... getting quite impatient now :s

[nickows]

A birdie told me that the R will be released at Geneva this week and will be down on power for Aus "Hot Climate" 199kw.

Maybe this was the Mk6 cabriolet R they were referring to? Hope the Mk7 gets the full whack 221kW

[Steve]

Too bad we can't get it here due to ADR approval. :(

We will get the A45 here. I drove an A250 Sport on Monday and was completely underwhelmed, so I'm seriously considering the A45 instead. The local dealer has 6 firm orders already.

[team_v]

We will get the A45 here. I drove an A250 Sport on Monday and was completely underwhelmed, so I'm seriously considering the A45 instead. The local dealer has 6 firm orders already.

A45 will be close to 80k won't it?

[Steve]

A45 will be close to 80k won't it?

Yeah, around that. Cheaper than the 1M was, though, and I don't think an .:R with a bunch of options will be too far off that figure, either. The fruit ont he A250 Sport I drove put it around $63000 on road. It's a fair (although possibly catastrophic) to assume the A45 will come with all or most of that as standard.

Now, if only they would do something about the godawful telephone keypad on the centre console...!

[team_v]

Yeah, around that. Cheaper than the 1M was, though, and I don't think an .:R with a bunch of options will be too far off that figure, either. The fruit ont he A250 Sport I drove put it around $63000 on road. It's a fair (although possibly catastrophic) to assume the A45 will come with all or most of that as standard.

Now, if only they would do something about the godawful telephone keypad on the centre console...!

Wouldn't you then be better off to buy something on the slightly used market (i.e. a 2-3 year old C63 or RS4?)

[Steve]

Wouldn't you then be better off to buy something on the slightly used market (i.e. a 2-3 year old C63 or RS4?)

Better off financially, sure, but I'm after an upgrade from a Mark 5 GTI and not (at the moment, anyway) looking for an R36 replacement.

[lincs]

We will get the A45 here. I drove an A250 Sport on Monday and was completely underwhelmed, so I'm seriously considering the A45 instead. The local dealer has 6 firm orders already.

what did you think of the rear blindspots as well? the A45 will certainly have some mongrel to it, but will have its weaknesses as well. i just can't see how people put in a firm order with a deposit on a car without driving it!

[Steve]

what did you think of the rear blindspots as well? the A45 will certainly have some mongrel to it, but will have its weaknesses as well. i just can't see how people put in a firm order with a deposit on a car without driving it!

To be honest, I didn't notice - but it was only a ten minute drive in light traffic. I'll keep an eye out for it next time though. Thanks for the heads up.

I ordered the R36 without the car even having been announced for Australia. It arrived six months later. I'd do a few things differently if I could order again but the car itself is great. I haven't once wished I'd driven it before placing an order.

[pologti18t]

Audi have confirmed that the 5 door S3 will be a 65-70K range car when it arrives later in the year.

[DoggieHowser]

I think we might have to thank Mercedes for the sanity check :)

So where does that put the Golf R with some decent options?

[lincs]

I think we might have to thank Mercedes for the sanity check :)

So where does that put the Golf R with some decent options?

55-60?

[anglo_dude]

I'm hoping the R will come with 2 and AWD options, manual and DSG, 3 and 5 door options (until the new sirocco emerges anyway) and starts at 48k.

If it does, then that will be probably be my next upgrade in 2015. Either that or the new Jag XS :D

[team_v]

I'm hoping the R will come with 2 and AWD options, manual and DSG, 3 and 5 door options (until the new sirocco emerges anyway) and starts at 48k.

If it does, then that will be probably be my next upgrade in 2015. Either that or the new Jag XS :D

The R will only be AWD, if you want a 2wd (FWD) version you would buy a gti or a scirocco.
It's highly likley to be both auto and manual and both door options.

Not sure how having that much choice will make it a certain upgrade for you since you can't have both 3/5 door or manual/auto or 2wd/awd.

[anglo_dude]

Not sure how having that much choice will make it a certain upgrade for you since you can't have both 3/5 door or manual/auto or 2wd/awd.

I meant the price starting at $48k. They also stopped the 3 door R when the Scirocco was brought in, so it's not a given.

Just wonder what options/standard gear will be in as well.

[Paul_R]

Golf R with more than 225kW!

Check out paragraph 3.

Small cars muscle up (http://theage.drive.com.au/motor-news/small-cars-muscle-up-20130415-2hvnu.html)

Maybe he meant Golf RS?

[Golf7]

Alright folks, the new R.

The images below are what the Concept 1 car looks like (000111010011VWGOLFR). For those who don't know how VW names its concepts, this is as close to the actual production car that you can get, sort of like the Golf MK7 GTI shown in Paris. Called a concept but 99.9% the real thing.

I would ask that you do NOT copy these images and use them elsewhere, please look at them, and admire, in order to ensure that as many people as possible can see the new R. Thanks guys!

http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/[/URL][/IMG]

http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/[/URL][/IMG]

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[dsta]

:(


hmmmm

[Deadpool]

Front badge says R-Line, sounds like crap to me. If that 0.01% is fixing the Front and Back end I'd be very happy. Also only have two tailpipes on one side.

[Golf7]

True that, VW will be keeping the front and rear bumpers however... Could change you never know...

And Im sure the rear lights will be from the GTI too... But this is the best idea we have at the moment... Oh and it WILL have quad-exhausts, I just remembered...

[akz0]

Any idea on the Aus Spec R getting auto-folding mirrors and/or keyless entry/push to start, or is it too far out to know (if so what about the GTI then)? Here's to hoping the 213kw+ engine doesn't get detuned this time around. What do we reckon late Q2 2014 for the AU launch date, assuming the GTI is out Sept/Oct and the R will be on sale in Europe by the years end?

Thanks.

[spikeyboy22]

Golf r line check out the number plate in the link

Galerie k �lánku Volkswagen Golf VII R-Line 2013: skute�né R je v nedohlednu, R-Line na světě (8) | Autoforum.cz (http://www.autoforum.cz/predstaveni/volkswagen-golf-vii-r-line-2013-skutecne-r-je-v-nedohlednu-r-line-na-svete/obrazek/8)

[Golf7]

Good pick up, VW on their press site though is trumpeting it as the Golf R Concept...

[INOV8]

This looks more like a Golf R!

VW Golf R (2013) spy shots of ultimate hot Golf | Secret New Cars | Car Magazine Online (http://www.carmagazine.co.uk/Secret-new-cars/Search-Results/Spyshots/VW-Golf-R-2013-spy-shots-of-ultimate-hot-Golf/)

[mitch750]

golf R 2dr would be sweet

[zoomda]

This looks more like a Golf R!

VW Golf R (2013) spy shots of ultimate hot Golf | Secret New Cars | Car Magazine Online (http://www.carmagazine.co.uk/Secret-new-cars/Search-Results/Spyshots/VW-Golf-R-2013-spy-shots-of-ultimate-hot-Golf/)

It sure does.

[Golf7]

But those are spy photos, plenty more of those around...

[Golf7]

And here's what De Silva said about the new Scirocco:

“We don’t want to repeat the body style of the Scirocco, we want to change that.

“At the moment it’s only a studio [project]. It’s not defined at the moment.

“We are still working … but we are looking 360 degrees.”

[INOV8]

Spy shots are all we have of the MK7 Golf R, nothing else has been released officially or unofficially!

[andrew7]

The R spy shots video to go with the photo's, enjoy! (sounds the biz)

Volkswagen Golf VII R Infomotori - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j4WZ-VaHC0w)

[Lock & Load]

VW Golf R (2013) spy shots of ultimate hot Golf | Secret New Cars | Car Magazine Online (http://www.carmagazine.co.uk/Secret-new-cars/Search-Results/Spyshots/VW-Golf-R-2013-spy-shots-of-ultimate-hot-Golf/)

VW Golf R (2013) spy shots of ultimate hot Golf
By Ollie Kew
Spy shots
22 April 2013 22:00

Volkswagen’s hottest Golf – the R – has hit the Nürburgring for final shakedown tests ahead of its late 2013 launch.

Tell-tale signs we’re looking at the Golf R testing are the large trapezoidal front grilles, sporty alloy wheels wearing low-profile rubber, and for the first time on a hot Golf, quad tailpipes. Previous Golf Rs have used two central pipes, but for this generation it looks as if VW will nick a four-tube arrangement from the Audi S3. It’ll still be a subtle package alongside lairy-lookers like the Ford Focus ST and Vauxhall Astra VXR, but that’s always been part of the fast Golf appeal.

What do we know about the spec of the next VW Golf R?

Like the outgoing model, the new VW Golf R will shun lusty V6 power for a highly-tuned turbocharged four-cylinder – which sounds really fruity, according to our Nürburgring-based spies. Power from the 2.0-litre TSI unit will rise to 286bhp from the 261bhp of the existing Golf R. Of course, the new Golf R will be lighter than the 1521kg outgoing model, thanks to its all-new, lighter platform (codenamed MQB).

That grunt is applied to the road via four-wheel drive: an R-badged Golf hallmark since the 2003 R32. As with past AWD Golf, the drivetrain will use a Haldex 4Motion system to send power rearwards when the ECU detects slip – like the 4Matic system Mercedes is rolling out on its new A45 and CLA45 AMG models. As standard, Golf Rs will be fitted with a six-speed manual gearbox, but for ultimate off-the-line performance, you’ll want the six-speed dual-clutch DSG transmission.

Unlike the current Mk7 Golf GTI, the next Golf R will allow an ‘everything-off’ driver assist mode. Even in its most dialled-back Sport mode guise, the GTI will intervene with stability control to trim your inputs and straighten up a slide. For the hardcore R, off means off, with drivers depending on that all-wheel drive and raw talent to keep their investment shiny side-up.

Talking of investments, how much will the new VW Golf R cost?

It’s not going to be cheap, but machines that qualify for the ‘all the car you’ll ever need’ tag rarely are (see also BMW 320d Touring, Range Rover). Expect an entry-level price of £32,000 for the Golf R in three-door manual guise, with five-door DSG cars coming closer to £35,000.

That’s almost bang on the £31,980 Audi charges for the similarly-AWD S3 hatchback, though the four-ringed car boasts a healthier 296bhp from its own 2.0-litre four-pot. Meanwhile, BMW’s 316bhp M135i looks conspicuously good value at £30,555 – but doesn’t boast the all-season credentials of the VW Group cars, due to its UK-market rear-drive chassis.

VW Group is currently going hot hatch crazy. We’ve recently driven the Golf GTI Mk7 and the new Audi S3, plus we’ve spied the next Seat Leon Cupra testing on the Nordschleife. Click the links to read our stories.

>> Could the next VW Golf R be a credible challenger to the hot Audi and BMW hatches? Click ‘Add your comment’ to get involved.

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[LouLou]

Here's a new one guys!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L6TStIdA9Uo&feature=youtube_gdata_player

[Paul_R]

I'm no Martin Brundle but there doesn't look to be a lot of understeer in the new R.
What do the track racers think?

[Golf7]

I'm no Martin Brundle but there doesn't look to be a lot of understeer in the new R.
What do the track racers think?

Hackenberg says that the car drives nothing like the old one. It's a lot more engaging and sharp, much more of a mental hot hatch. You will even be able to turn the ESC fully off!

[andrew7]

Looking forward to the R, the track session vid is very encouraging!

[ptR]

Cant wait!

[INOV8]

Im sure its an R underneath, but not on the outside!

Spy Shots: 2014 Volkswagen Golf 7 R arrives in China | CarNewsChina.com - China Auto News (http://www.carnewschina.com/2013/05/24/spy-shots-2014-volkswagen-golf-7-r-arrives-in-china/)

[Golf7]

Enjoy this new vid everyone! Best one yet!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=j2tCMCiw4aw#!

[LouLou]

http://nordschleifeautoblahg.blogspot.com.au/2013/06/2014-volkswagen-golf-r-rendering.html?m=1

Just got this from Vortex. A new rendering of what the mk7 R could look like.

If the actual release looks anything like that white one, I'm sold (Minus the blue strip).

Sent from my GT-I9300T using Tapatalk 4 Beta

[sunny]

Here's a new one guys!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L6TStIdA9Uo&feature=youtube_gdata_player

loving the sound of it ... its like a jet fighter

[ByronRichesMk1]

If the actual release looks anything like that white one, I'm sold (Minus the blue strip).

Sent from my GT-I9300T using Tapatalk 4 Beta

I disagree entirely! That blue stripe looks good! :D

[Whistler]

I have a family friend who works for Skoda in the UK.
He told me last week that VW are "revising power output" for the R as a result of Mercedes releasing the A's full specs.
Could get interesting...

[andrew7]

Would be gr8 if that turns out Whistler, but I think its unlikely given the new S3 is being detuned for Oz (and R surely will not trump the S3)

[pologti18t]

I have a family friend who works for Skoda in the UK.
He told me last week that VW are "revising power output" for the R as a result of Mercedes releasing the A's full specs.
Could get interesting...

But it wont have anymore power than the S3 released hear. 206kW is it.

The Golf R is not a competitor to the A45. Unless you think an approx 55k car is equivalent to a 75K car.

[Whistler]

Yep, I suspect you are all correct. But if he is righ, we in our "hot climate" would likely miss out. I don't expect they'd try to do any damage to the S3 sales, but heck, when the MkVI R was released in the UK is was £1000's more than their base S3 there - which has less kit than our S3s
It might also make sense to at least close the performance gap with the A45.
As for not being a competitor with the A45?
1. I'm considering both for my next drive.
2. The price gap will be less in the uk & Europe than here.

Just as likely it's only office gossip at Skoda though...

[pologti18t]

As for not being a competitor with the A45?
1. I'm considering both for my next drive.
2. The price gap will be less in the uk & Europe than here.

Just as likely it's only office gossip at Skoda though...

Look up Chris Harris on Youtube for A45 vs M135I. There is no way the Golf R will hang with it since the new S3 can't.
Apparently... rumours are that S3 with start <60K in our market.

[Whistler]

Look up Chris Harris on Youtube for A45 vs M135I. There is no way the Golf R will hang with it since the new S3 can't.
Apparently... rumours are that S3 with start <60K in our market.

No where have I said the R will match the A45's performance. We're talking about competing for sales, not on the drag-strip. Just suggesting they will compete (sales-wise) for two valid reasons.
The suggestion is that to have the R compete moreso VW have looked at upping the power (slightly?) to close the differential. 60kw is a big difference for what will be a $10,000 difference in price in the uk, Europe and possibly less in the us

[pologti18t]

Audi S3 - 60K + ORC (DSG standard)

AUSmotive.com » OFFICIAL: Audi S3 Sportback priced from $59,900 (http://www.ausmotive.com/2013/07/24/official-audi-s3-sportback-priced-from-59900.html)

It would suggest that a Golf R will be significantly under that price



UPDATE: Audi Australia has confirmed with us that a 6-speed manual transmission will be available as a no cost option, but it will cost you 0.4s to 100km/h and a few extra bucks at the fuel pump.

[andrew7]

^ Indeed, looks like a 'base' R' (ie now inc nav, leather etc) $50k - perhaps with a similar performance pack (19's, recraros,, dynaudio, ACC) a $5k add on a la S3. I'm liking the new value equation in the hot hatch market :)

[Golf7]

^ Indeed, looks like a 'base' R' (ie now inc nav, leather etc) $50k - perhaps with a similar performance pack (19's, recraros,, dynaudio, ACC) a $5k add on a la S3. I'm liking the new value equation in the hot hatch market :)

You see, with our smallish market, VWA are having to do some tricks here and there. They will make the GTI really cheap, no PP, not many options and they will leave it quite spartan equipment wise. Now the void above it will be filled with the Golf R. Expect it to be for around 49-50 drive-away from what they hinted to us today.

[Paul_R]

I hope 19's are not part of a fixed options pack. I don't want them. The Drive article on the S3 indicates it's extras pack comes with different 18's, presumably 19's are extra again. The way it should be. This emphatuation with over large wheels is marketing wank gone made at the expense of common sense engineering.
Otherwise value does look good. About time Australia had some price competition.

[alexkid]

Audi S3 - 60K + ORC (DSG standard)

AUSmotive.com &#194;&#187; OFFICIAL: Audi S3 Sportback priced from $59,900 (http://www.ausmotive.com/2013/07/24/official-audi-s3-sportback-priced-from-59900.html)

It would suggest that a Golf R will be significantly under that price

Excellent! Luxury car tax for fuel efficient cars (less than 7.0 litres per 100km combined) for 2013-14 is $75,375. Is the figure of 6.9 in the Ausmotive article combined or highway? Could mean even a full kit S3 would come under the luxury tax threshold. For all other cars it is $59,133.

[andrew7]

^ 6.9 is combined so will beat the LCT with ease :)

[pologti18t]

For 2013/14. Thats why the S3 is 59,990








For the 2012-13 financial year this index was 406.6 and for the 2011-12 financial year the index was 398.7. resulting in an indexation factor of 1.020. For the 2012-13 financial year, the LCT threshold was $59,133. The LCT threshold for the 2013-14 financial year is $60,316 ($59,133 x 1.020).

[akz0]

Teaser up at Volkswagen R GmbH / Die Leidenschaft des Motorsports - weiterentwickelt (http://www.volkswagen-r.de) showing the history of their R32/R models, with the yet to be announced one at the very end, albeit mostly hidden in the shadows.

Judging by the statistic shown at the top of each car, it seems like the Euro spec will indeed be 300hp/223kw, which means we will get something around 279hp/208kw (+/- 2kw), assuming they give it a similar de-tune to the new S3.

http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2013/08/LhamHBv-1.jpg

[Fatherless One]

OMG, how bloody boring !!!

The mk6 looked positively TUFF !!!

[Candyman]

OMG, how bloody boring !!!

The mk6 looked positively TUFF !!!

Agree completely

http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2013/08/image-6.jpg

[akz0]

Haha guys, that's just showing the R-Line package for the standard golf. You need to click/drag the blue bar down the bottom rather than the white arrows on the sides. I've added a picture to my post to prevent any future confusion.

[Candyman]

Looks exactly the same once you bump contrast and shadow lighting

Absolutely boring

[akz0]

I don't know why the image they have of the current R model looks so wide. It makes me wonder if that teaser of the new R has the right proportions or if it's not really that wide as well. I think it looks pretty aggressive so far.

http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2013/08/92tQOva-1.jpg
http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2013/08/2012volkswagengolfr628-1.jpg

[DoggieHowser]

Looks exactly the same once you bump contrast and shadow lighting

Absolutely boring

What were you expecting? It's no more boring than the Mk6 R vs the regular Mk6.

I thought the blue LED DRL looked like a neat detail over regular Golfs, tho I am not sure if it is legal in Australia. Or most parts of the world. Isn't that one of the colors designated for emergency services?

[team_v]

What the heck, projector housings for fog lights?
I thought they were doing away with those and going for the LED strip on all the higher end models.

The Half-cut angel eyes are a bit odd too, the audi style lights are better imho.

[readerr0r]

What the heck, projector housings for fog lights?
I thought they were doing away with those and going for the LED strip on all the higher end models.

The Half-cut angel eyes are a bit odd too, the audi style lights are better imho.

All xenon golf 7's have that angel eye look.
http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2013/08/volkswagengolf7gti005-1.jpg

Looks like the R could've done with a bit more though, the LED DRLs on the old one let you know what it was

[Ryan_R]

Volkswagen R GmbH / Die Leidenschaft des Motorsports - weiterentwickelt (http://www.volkswagen-r.de/#!home)

http://www.volkswagen-r.de/images/golf7RLine/gallery/thumbnail4_07.jpg?_=

http://www.volkswagen-r.de/images/home/morphing/teaser_gross//Teaser_00076.jpg

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http://www.volkswagen-r.de/images/visualizer/golf7r-line/golf7r-line_cw_17s_loff_pers1.jpg?_=

http://www.volkswagen-r.de/images/visualizer/golf7r-line/golf7r-line_cw_17s_loff_pers4.jpg?_=

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http://www.volkswagen-r.de/images/visualizer/golf7r-line/golf7r-line_cw_loff_pers5.jpg?_=

http://www.volkswagen-r.de/images/visualizer/golf7r-line/golf7r-line_cw_17s_loff_pers2.jpg?_=

The rear looks a bit plain in those last shots

[Ryan_R]

Volkswagen R GmbH / Die Leidenschaft des Motorsports - weiterentwickelt (http://www.volkswagen-r.de/#!home)


This appears to be the R-Line (which is a normal Golf with fancy trim, etc) but does drop hints as to what the actual R should look like



http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2013/08/Teaser_00076-1.jpg

http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2013/08/thumbnail4_07jpg_-1.jpg

http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2013/08/backgroundjpg_-1.jpg

http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2013/08/02jpg_-1.jpg

http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2013/08/03jpg_-1.jpg

http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2013/08/04jpg_-1.jpg

http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2013/08/05jpg_-1.jpg

http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2013/08/06jpg_-1.jpg

http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2013/08/golf7rline_cw_17s_loff_pers1jpg_-1.jpg

http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2013/08/golf7rline_cw_17s_loff_pers4jpg_-1.jpg

http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2013/08/golf7rline_cw_17s_loff_pers3jpg_-1.jpg

http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2013/08/golf7rline_cw_loff_pers5jpg_-1.jpg

http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2013/08/golf7rline_cw_17s_loff_pers2jpg_-1.jpg

The rear looks a bit plain in those last shots

[Dutch77]

Wow.. one of the great sleepers just got sleepier.

Will definitely need to tick rising blue/black wheels if you want others to know it's an R.

[parso_rex]

I want engine details :)


...and how are you sposed to drive it with the steering wheel on the wrong side like that ?

[brimway]

"Golf" badge on the tailgate is new for Rs

[Lucas_R]

R-line by the looks of it. Looks too subtle/weak to be the R.

[readerr0r]

Thats the R-line dude, it's been out for a while. But it does show some of the design cues that the R will have.

VW Introduces Three R-Line Packages for the New Golf 7 in Germany - Carscoops (http://www.carscoops.com/2013/04/vw-introduces-three-r-line-packages-for.html)

[thezoneR32]

I dont believe this is an R. Looks like a Gti someone has paint shopped. Why does it only have twin tail pipes on the left? And it looks too low for an oem car even the R isnt that low in stock form.

[readerr0r]

^^^
Thats the R-line, its a sports kit option for any normal Golf/Polo/Tiguan etc.
VW Introduces Three R-Line Packages for the New Golf 7 in Germany - Carscoops (http://www.carscoops.com/2013/04/vw-introduces-three-r-line-packages-for.html)

[Ryan_R]

Oh what, there's a difference between the R-Line and the R? Thought they were just making the badge bigger, although I guess that's why the photos show the fridge version (white) instead of the traditional Rising Blue.

I wouldn't call it photoshop given the website it exists on (assuming VW own and built it).

[Dutch77]

Oh what, there's a difference between the R-Line and the R? Thought they were just making the badge bigger, although I guess that's why the photos show the fridge version (white) instead of the traditional Rising Blue.

I wouldn't call it photoshop given the website it exists on (assuming VW own and built it).

Yeah there is. :)

I'm guessing the first pic is how the new R will look headlights wise, as that teaser is direct from the 'history' section at the opening. The fridge white stuff is probably just R-line as suggested.

[readerr0r]

For those wondering, the R-line is basically a sports pack in Europe that lets you jazz up any/most normal spec VW's with a R style steering wheel, alloys, body kit and seats (maybe sports suspension too).

Its pretty deceiving on the Golf but it looks great on models where there is no true R version (Polo, Tiguan, Passat etc.)

[team_v]

For those wondering, the R-line is basically a sports pack in Europe that lets you jazz up any/most normal spec VW's with a R style steering wheel, alloys, body kit and seats (maybe sports suspension too).

Its pretty deceiving on the Golf but it looks great on models where there is no true R version (Polo, Tiguan, Passat etc.)

R-line is purely a cosmetic upgrade, no performance parts at all.
It's essentially for people who want a factory option without the textured black plastics or the same bumper/wheel designs as everyone else.

[tonymy01]

Just see the exhaust, it is just a pair of tips on the left, that was the giveaway it isn't a fully blown R (which is likely to have symmetric left/right tips) I noticed this when I visited this R-line site a couple of days ago after someone thought the R was snuck out..

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[DoggieHowser]

Why does it look like the R has dual LED DRL on each headlight in some shots? Isn't it just on the bixenon lamp?

http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2013/08/Teaser_00076-1.jpg

[team_v]

Why does it look like the R has dual LED DRL on each headlight in some shots? Isn't it just on the bixenon lamp?


Just the Bi-X lamp i would guess.

[spikeyboy22]

The photo above is a tease of the ne R which will be released at Frankfurt next month, it is on car advice..

[DonJuan]

Maybe this will clear up that last picture...

Hmmm, not a fan of the way it looks so far...

http://www.autowereld.be/2013/08/20/vw-volkswagen-golf-r-2013-iaa-frankfurt/

I wonder if that is anything to go by?

[tonymy01]

http://www.autowereld.be/2013/08/20/...iaa-frankfurt/

I wonder if that is anything to go by?

" Sorry, the content you were looking for cannot be found. Please use the menu in the header to access the site search, or browse other site content."

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[vinh]

http://www.autowereld.be/2013/08/20/vw-volkswagen-golf-r-2013-iaa-frankfurt/


Sorry if its been posted already...

[tonymy01]

Don't think it has. But those liquorice strips for tyres...here in Australia you may as well just drive on the rims, because one pot hole and the rim is stuffed anyway...ride will be seriously harsh. Is that a real image, looks real to me?
The car looks pretty good, but (as we knew a while ago anyway), shame it has lost the signature centre exhaust tips. Prefer two bigger tips out the middle than those shiny 4 ovals.

http://www.autowereld.be/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/R2.jpg
http://www.autowereld.be/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/R1.jpg

Challenge posting all that from phone..on second thoughts, the wheels look shopped....Is it fake?
Edit one million...ok, if I view the images full screen they look real, and nice style!, except that 20" rims are a bit Commodore wanker mod wannabe...(hehe, they are probably 19"....)
I see gutter rash in their future here :)

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[Ryan_R]

Darn I was just about to redeem myself by posting those two pics :P

Don't quote me on this, but my European source also said the following (will be differences for the Aussie version no doubt... detuning, etc):


Same EA888 engine as the S3 (300 hp, 380 Nm), however 0.1 secs faster in 0-100 kph acceleration than the Audi. They predict it will also be cheaper than the outgoing R

[LouLou]

FUGLY wheels.. C'mon VW you can do better than that!

[DonJuan]

VW GOLF VII R 4MOTION | Autowereld (http://www.autowereld.be/2013/08/20/vw-volkswagen-golf-r-2013-iaa-frankfurt/)

Sorry if its been posted already...

pmsl, 2 posts down... I dislike the look of it.

[tonymy01]

pmsl, 2 posts down... I dislike the look of it.

But your original link was fugged with presumably ... in it, so his was the first you could click and see :)
I guess you edited your post now ;)

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[vinh]

I'm not digging the look either...

The front looks a bit bare now without those LEDs in the bumper.

[tonymy01]

But you have to admit the near Angel eyes wannabe look is pretty. Yeah, bumper seems to be missing something though as a result, missing the piano black deep/large grill sections too, they are more refined/elegant (given 90% of those side ones in the mk6 are blanked off, they aren't all that functional on our cars...Ok, passenger side one looks to be dsg cooler which I don't have anyway).

[Golf7]

Alright official details:

Under the bonnet there’s the same engine from the Audi S3: a 2.0-liter turbocharged gasoline engine developing 300PS (296hp) and 380 Nm (280 lb-ft) of torque, available from 1,800 to 5,500 rpm.

Power is sent to all four wheels via a fifth-generation Haldex coupling with the 4Motion system paired to a manual six-speed transmission as standard (a 6-speed DSG will be optionally available). The Golf R also has four electronic differential locks (EDS) integrated in the ESC that act as transverse locks, while XDS+ electronic differentials are fitted to the front and rear axles.

A sport suspension setup reduces ground clearance by 20mm (0.78in) compared to the standard Golf and 5mm (0.2in) over the Golf GTI. No performance figures were released, but VW said the 2.0-liter engine offers an average fuel economy of 6.9 l/100 km (34 US mpg) when mated to the DSG gearbox – that’s 18 percent better than its predecessor.

The Golf R will premiere at the Frankfurt Motor Show and will arrive in Europe in the fourth quarter of this year. Prices in Germany start from €38,325 ($51,325).

Pictures coming soon!

[Golf7]

Volkswagen R GmbH: Excellence centre for sporty and exclusive automobiles

Key aspects
Experts at Volkswagen R GmbH conceive fascination on wheels

Sportiness and sustainability are not at all incompatible
Wolfsburg, 20 August 2013 - The company came into being in March 2010, evolving from the former Volkswagen Individual GmbH, which was founded in the spring of 2003. The company's main task is to drive forward and support making the Volkswagen models more emotional and dynamic. The products of Volkswagen R GmbH are currently offered in over 70 countries.

Volkswagen R GmbH – innovative performance range

The demand for vehicles that have been refined in the factory has been steadily growing. The wishes of motorists vary greatly: Many favour a more sporty exterior; others prefer an especially exclusive interior; and quite a few dream of a vehicle whose drive and chassis offers professional sportiness. Volkswagen R GmbH makes all these dreams come true with refined and/or power-enhanced performance models (“R” product brand) as well as with especially sporty and exclusive equipment packages and equipment levels (“R-Line” and “Volkswagen Exclusive”). In addition, Volkswagen R GmbH constitutes an important interface with Volkswagen Motorsport, something that can be seen, for instance, in the networking with the Scirocco R-Cup: Volkswagen R GmbH is the main sponsor of the most eco-friendly one-make cup in the world (up to 80 percent less CO2 thanks to bio natural gas as fuel). The production version of the Scirocco R serves as a starting point for the racing cars of the Cup.

The vehicles that are developed by Volkswagen R GmbH are as a rule not only sporty but also fuel-efficient. For the CEO of Volkswagen R GmbH, Ulrich Riestenpatt gt. Richter, sportiness and sustainability are two parameters that are by no means mutually exclusive: “The programme of Volkswagen R GmbH banks on automotive fascination, sportiness and exclusiveness. And we do all that in harmony with the requirements of sustainability. The new Golf R illustrates this impressively. Despite a performance of 300 PS and permanent all-wheel drive, we have realised in the DSG version a combined fuel consumption of merely 6.9 litres. Thus the consumption was reduced by 18 percent in comparison to the predecessor that was already very fuel-efficient – and with 30 PS more in driving performance, to boot. That's palpable progress.” With the arrival of the new Golf R, the company is carrying forward the successful history of this vehicle. In addition, the company is working at full strength on developing more R models.

Soon, with the Golf Estate R-Line, the eleventh model with this equipment level will also be launched. So the R-Line exterior and interior packages can be ordered with most of the Volkswagen models.

The development of wheels and chassis constitutes another main focus of the company. Moreover, Volkswagen R GmbH transfers and extends the Exclusive lines into the entire model range. There are special models as well as special equipment packages. Thus Volkswagen R GmbH is represented with a broad range of offers, from the more sporty up to the very exclusive.

R models – sports cars for every day of the year

The “R” product brand stands for the sportiest Volkswagen. The R models feature an above-average driving dynamics and a powerful design. At present, the new Golf R (market launch in the fourth quarter of 2013; 221 kW / 300 PS), the Golf R Cabriolet and the Scirocco R (both 195 kW / 265 PS) as well as the street version of the Polo R WRC (162 kW / 220 PS), limited to 2,500 units, are in the programme as performance models of this legendary “R” series.

R-Line – sporty exterior and interior

The features of the R-Line package deliberately reveal their relationship to the powerful R models. Nonetheless, the focus here is less on performance enhancement but rather on the customisation of the equipment. Hence the R-Line packages can be combined with virtually every engine of the respective model range (petrol engines and diesels). The company is offering tailor-made R-Line exterior and interior packages in 2013 for the Polo, Golf, Beetle and the new Beetle Cabriolet, Scirocco, Tiguan, Passat and Passat Estate, the CC as well as the Touareg. The new Golf Estate with R-line options can be ordered as of the middle of next year.

Volkswagen Exclusive – customisation with style

The Volkswagen Exclusive equipment line, an independent equipment level that is specifically designed for each model, currently ensures a maximum of exclusiveness in ten Volkswagen vehicle ranges. Volkswagen R GmbH offers a level of refinement that cannot be found with other full-range providers in the first place. Hence the current Volkswagen Exclusive models as well as the equipment packages – the range extends from the Golf Cabriolet, Golf Estate, Beetle and Beetle Cabriolet, Scirocco, Tiguan, Eos, Passat and Passat Estate up to the Touareg model ranges – definitely have a special status in their respective segments. For the brand's flagship, the Phaeton, an entire programme of premium equipment features was developed under the Volkswagen Exclusive label.

R-Engineering – engineering services

It's a lesser-known fact that Volkswagen R GmbH, as partner of Research and Development through the R-Engineering Division, adopts various development services and designs commercial special vehicles like taxis and police vehicles, for instance, as well as solutions for people with a handicap.

Alloy wheels – sporty-exclusive wheels

In addition, Volkswagen R GmbH is very successfully developing larger alloy wheels. The largest alloy wheels with premium design for the respective Volkswagen models come from the Volkswagen R GmbH. The wheel range includes more than 35 alloy wheels at present.

Commitment to motor racing – at home on the race track

The successful networking with Motorsport is also reflected in the Scirocco R-Cup; Volkswagen R GmbH is the main sponsor of the most eco-friendly one-make cup in the world. The production version of the Scirocco R serves as a starting point for the racing cars of the Cup. The one-make cup will be held for the fourth time as part of the DTM in 2013. Furthermore, Volkswagen R GmbH takes part in the Polo R Cup India and the Golf Cup Poland. Special issues in the growing Chinese market are addressed with the Scirocco R Cup in China.

Since 2013, Volkswagen R GmbH has given impressive proof of its technological excellence with the Polo R WRC in the World Rally Championship. Volkswagen R GmbH is represented by logo placement at the Polo R WRC and is fully integrated into the marketing activities of Volkswagen brand.

[readerr0r]

But you have to admit the near Angel eyes wannabe look is pretty. Yeah, bumper seems to be missing something though as a result, missing the piano black deep/large grill sections too, they are more refined/elegant (given 90% of those side ones in the mk6 are blanked off, they aren't all that functional on our cars...Ok, passenger side one looks to be dsg cooler which I don't have anyway).


The angle eyes aren't unique to the R. They're in all of the Golf 7's xenons, you can order Xenons on the Highline golfs here, for instance.

[Golf7]

0-100 in 4.9 seconds More info soon...

[Golf7]

Power of the Golf R increased to 300 PS
Fuel consumption with DSG reduced to 6.9 litres per 100 km
New TSI propels Golf R with DSG to 100 km/h in 4.9 seconds
Golf R makes its debut with a new 4MOTION all-wheel drive system and progressive steering
Wolfsburg, August 2013. It is the year of the Golf. The first six months of 2013 have already seen the debuts of the new Golf GTI, Golf GTD, Golf Estate and Golf TDI BlueMotion. Now, Volkswagen is continuing its Golf product offensive with the flagship of the model series – the new Golf R. The sports car is powered by a newly designed 300 PS TSI (221 kW), which is 30 PS stronger but up to 18 per cent more fuel efficient than that in the previous model. Like all three previous Golf R models, the new model also transfers its turbocharged engine power to the road via a permanent all-wheel drive system; in this case, it is the latest version of the 4MOTION system with a fifth-generation Haldex coupling. Delivering pure dynamic performance are a newly configured sport suspension system (body height lowered by 20 mm), the new progressive steering system and "ESC Sport" – which can now be fully deactivated for driving on a race track. Optional highlights include the further developed DCC dynamic chassis control system with the driving profile selector that features a new Race mode.
The Golf R with a manual gearbox reaches 100 km/h after just 5.1 seconds (previous model: 5.7 s); with an automatic dual clutch gearbox (DSG) the sports car completes the classic sprint in an even faster 4.9 seconds. The car’s top speed is electronically limited to 250 km/h. Despite the car's exceptionally agile driving performance and 30 PS more power, fuel consumption of the Golf R was reduced from 8.5 to 7.1 l/100 km compared to that of the previous model. CO2 emissions were also improved from 199 to 165 g/km. Even more
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fuel efficient is the Golf R that is equipped with a Stop-Start system and battery regeneration, together with the optional 6-speed dual- clutch gearbox (DSG). In this configuration, fuel consumption is 6.9 l/100 km (159 g/km CO2). Fuel savings compared to the previous model with DSG (8.4 l/100 km) are 1.5 l/100 km, which represents the mentioned 18 per cent improvement.
The new Golf R is equipped with an extensive package of customised and exclusive features. Along with specially designed bumpers, side sills and 18-inch alloy wheels, the Golf R can also be visually distinguished as an impressive sports car by details such as standard bi-xenon headlights with newly designed LED daytime running lights (in dual-U design), dark red LED rear lights and two- branch exhaust system with four chrome tailpipes. Inside, the Golf R underlines its position as the flagship of the model range with sport seats in a "fabric-Alcantara" material mix, leather-trimmed three- spoke sport steering wheel, ambience lighting, automatic climate control and a radio-CD system with touchscreen. The market launch of the most powerful and fuel-efficient Golf R as a two and four- door car will take place in the fourth quarter of this year.
TSI engine of the Golf R
High-tech turbocharged engine. Like the current Golf GTI, the Golf R is powered by further advanced engine design of the four- cylinder EA888 engine series. Compared to the previous engine, numerous technical details were modified to reduce fuel consumption and emissions and at the same time to increase power and torque values. The engine has a newly designed cylinder head, for example. Compared to the 169 kW / 230 PS Golf GTI Performance, designers boosted engine power of the Golf R by 70 to 221 kW / 300 PS (from 5,500 to 6,200 rpm), creating one of the most powerful four-cylinder engines. Maximum torque has increased 30 Nm to 380 Newton metres; it is available over a broad speed range from 1,800 to 5,500 rpm. To attain these values, the TSI, with a displacement of 1,984 cc, was subjected to a development
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programme similar to that of a motorsport engine. The following components were modified or completely redesigned compared to the already highly agile GTI engine: the cylinder head (together with exhaust valves, valve seats and springs), pistons, high-pressure injection valves as well as the turbocharger.
Efficient thermal management. The turbocharged direct petrol injection engines of the EA888 series all have innovative detailed solutions such as water-cooled exhaust gas channels running through the cylinder head to the turbocharger (to reduce efficiently full-load fuel consumption) and a dual injection system with direct injection and multi-port injection. Thanks to its new fully-electronic coolant control system, thermal management of the TSI in the Golf R is also much more efficient with a reduced warm-up phase; this reduces friction losses and fuel consumption. In addition, the TSI has variable valve timing with dual camshaft adjustment. In addition, valve lift on the exhaust side can be switched in two stages. This solution enables optimal control of the charge exchange process for better performance, fuel economy and low emissions.
4MOTION all-wheel drive in the Golf R
Fifth-generation Haldex coupling. Permanent 4MOTION all-wheel drive has always been a trait of the Golf R. The latest generation 4MOTION system is now being used in the fourth-generation Golf R. This all-wheel drive system is coupled with a 6-speed gearbox that has a reinforced clutch and short-travel shifting. Another optional feature is automatic shifting with a 6-speed dual-clutch gearbox (DSG) that also offers manual shifting as an alternative.
The 4MOTION all-wheel drive system of the Golf R, further perfected by enhancements such as the Haldex 5 coupling, is activated even before any wheel starts to slip. This eliminates nearly all traction losses. The system achieves this by using an advanced control function based on specific driving conditions. When operating under a relatively low load or when coasting, forward
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propulsion comes primarily from the front axle, and the rear axle is decoupled. This basic drive layout saves fuel. However, the rear axle of the Golf R can be variably engaged in fractions of a second whenever necessary. This is done via a Haldex coupling, which is activated by an electro-hydraulic oil pump.
Situation-based power distribution. A control unit continually calculates the ideal drive torque for the rear axle and controls how much the multi-plate clutch should be closed by activating the oil pump. The oil pressure increases the contact pressure at the clutch plates in proportion to the torque desired at the rear axle. So, the amount of pressure applied to the clutch plates can be used to vary continuously the magnitude of the transmitted torque. Activation of the Haldex 5 coupling is based primarily on the engine torque demanded by the driver. If necessary, nearly 100 per cent of the drive torque can be directed to the rear axle.
Four-wheel EDS as transverse locks. In addition to the Haldex coupling that acts as a longitudinal lock, four electronic differential locks (EDS) integrated in the electronic stability control system act as transverse locks. The system briefly brakes a wheel that is slipping, enabling uninterrupted and stable transfer of drive power to the wheel on the opposite side. In the Golf R, the electronic differential locks are implemented at both axles in what is referred to as four-wheel EDS.
XDS+ makes tracking in bends more precise. In addition, the Golf R is equipped with XDS+ at the front and rear axles. This brakes the wheels on the inside of a bend during fast driving through bends, optimising steering behaviour. In the latest version, known as XDS+, this functionality is applied to a larger range of dynamic performance – making the vehicle more agile even when the car is
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not in an acceleration state. In technical terms, XDS+ is a functional extension of the electronic differential locks. When the car is being driven fast, as soon as the electronics detect excessively light loads on wheels on the inside of a bend, the hydraulics of Electronic Stability Control (ESC) apply brake pressure to this wheel to restore optimal traction. XDS+ thereby operates as a transverse differential lock that compensates for understeer during fast cornering.
ESC Sport. The new Golf R is equipped with the "ESC Sport" function as standard. The system is activated by a two-stage switch on the centre console. When the driver presses this switch briefly, Electronic Stability Control (ESC) switches to the "ESC Sport" mode. In very fast driving with lots of bends – such as on a race track – the ESC system reacts with a delay, which enables even more agile handling properties. When the ESC button is pressed for longer than three seconds, the system is fully deactivated for professional driving on a race track – this deactivation is only available in the Golf R and not in any other models of the Golf series.
Sport suspension of the Golf R
Synthesis of sportiness and comfort. The Golf R has a sport suspension setup that is individually tuned to the 300 PS all-wheel drive car. Compared to the base Golf, its ride height was lowered by 20 mm, which makes the Golf R 5 mm lower than the GTI. In the Golf R, a MacPherson-type front suspension (spring struts) with a newly developed low wishbone and track-stabilising scrub radius delivers optimal handling and steering properties and well-balanced vibration behaviour. The multi-link rear suspension of the all-wheel drive Golf R was enhanced in numerous areas; among other improvements, Volkswagen perfected this modular high-performance suspension’s lateral rigidity, which is necessary for steering, by implementing new bearing tuning of the steering link.

[Golf7]

Dynamic performance. Engineers designed the basic tuning of the running gear of the new Golf R for maximum driving fun combined
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with extraordinary driving stability and good long touring comfort. Compared to the previous model, steering response was made even more agile with direct steering gear ratios by the car’s progressive steering system. In addition, maximum attainable speeds were significantly increased when driving through bends. The running gear was tuned to be more neutral for this purpose, avoiding understeering all the way up to the car’s performance limits.
The new calibration of the all-wheel drive system makes a decisive contribution towards achieving neutral handling. Response times of the Haldex coupling were minimized, and the drive torques that occur in specific driving situations were optimized for maximum neutrality, avoiding self-steering effects even under high load. The result is more uniform and predictable steering response in bends.
To attain optimal mechanical grip, stiffness values were precisely controlled for springs and anti-roll bars and intentionally designed not to be too stiff. In conjunction with the extremely fine adjustment of damper characteristics, the new Golf R shows an exceptional ability to follow the line the driver wants to drive precisely – on both flat and uneven route profiles. This makes handling very precise and smooth up to performance limits. The car’s neutral handling in curves is also combined with very good driving stability thanks to the innovative layout of all running gear components. This excellent driving stability is especially noticeable in lane changes and load alterations. In tuning the new Golf R, the development team also focused on harmonious and predictable reactions of the running gear.
Ride comfort. Along with dynamic performance, suspension comfort was perfected compared to the previous model. The running gear harmoniously absorbs both small and large unevenness of the road surface. With the very large spread of positive properties mentioned – direct, neutral and stable handling combined with a high level of ride comfort – the running gear of the Golf R delivers a unique synthesis of maximum dynamic performance and ideal long touring capabilities.
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Progressive steering. Like the Golf GTI, the Golf R is equipped with the newly developed progressive steering system as standard. Drivers do not need to turn the steering wheel as much to turn a desired radius; they also do not need to reach over the steering wheel as often in tight bends. With progressive steering, it takes 2.1 turns of the wheel (380°) to reach the end stop; with the standard steering system of less powerful Golf models it takes 2.75 turns (500°). Background: Conventional steering systems operate with a constant gear ratio. The new steering of the Golf R meanwhile operates with a progressive steering gear ratio. This perceptibly reduces steering effort in manoeuvring and parking. On country roads with lots of bends, and when making turns, the driver experiences a plus in dynamics due to the more direct layout.
DCC. The new Golf R can be ordered with the second generation of DCC dynamic chassis control as an option. DCC offers the three driving modes ‘Comfort’, ‘Normal’ and ‘Sport’, which are now selected and displayed via the touchscreen on the centre console as part of the “Driving Profile Selector” functionality. In “Sport” mode, even more dynamic handling is implemented.
The DCC system adaptively controls the damper valves via a further developed and refined control algorithm for setting the damper characteristics. DCC takes input signals from wheel displacement sensors and accelerometers as well as vehicle information from the Chassis-CAN bus to compute these values and adaptively adjust the optimal damping force for every driving situation. Moreover, damping forces are selectively applied to the four wheels individually. With the new generation of DCC, it is now also possible to fully independently vary rebound and compression damping for transverse dynamic manoeuvres – a significant benefit in optimising vehicle dynamics.
Driver profile selector with Race mode. New in the Golf R is the Driving Profile Selector that is a standard feature of DCC. A total of four programmes are available, and five driving programmes in conjunction with DCC: "Eco", "Normal", "Individual" and the
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special "Race" mode that was specially tailored to the Golf R. In combination with DCC, "Comfort" mode is also available. All modes were specifically tuned for application in the Golf R.
In “Race” mode, damping is increased (which further reduces movements of the body structure), and engine response and shift points of the (optional) DSG are configured to be even more dynamic. In the "Individual" driving profile, the driver can individually combine mode settings for the various single components. When in the “Eco” driving profile, on the other hand, the engine controller, air conditioning and other auxiliary units are controlled for optimal fuel economy. Vehicles with DSG also have a coasting function in Eco mode. When the driver releases the accelerator pedal – e.g. when slowing down to a traffic light or on route segments with descents – the DSG disengages and the engine idles, which enables optimal utilisation of the kinetic energy of the Golf R.
Brakes. The extremely durable brakes were also adapted to the higher power levels of the Golf R. Here, Volkswagen uses a 17-inch system with internally ventilated discs and black brake callipers (with "R" logo) at all four wheels. In front, the brake pistons have a diameter of 60 mm, while 42 mm pistons are used at the rear. The 30 mm thick brake discs of the front wheels have a diameter of 340 mm; the rear discs are 22 mm thick and 310 mm in diameter.
Exterior of the Golf R
Customised styling. Volkswagen R GmbH has developed numerous new exterior details for the flagship Golf. They include the bumpers, side sills, rear diffuser, chrome dual tailpipes of the exhaust system (left and right of the diffuser), layout and lighting design of the bi- xenon headlights and standard 18-inch and optional 19-inch alloy wheels.
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Front end. The Golf R can be distinguished from the front by a new bumper design with exceptionally large air inlets, modified radiator grille (with "R" logo) and newly developed daytime running lights that are integrated into the housings of the bi-xenon headlights. The LED daytime running lights form a distinctive dual "U" design beneath the dual headlights.
Side profile. From the side, the Golf R is characterised by newly designed 18-inch "Cadiz" alloy wheels with size 225/40 tyres, black brake callipers with "R" logo, side sill panels in "R" style painted in body colour, "R" badges on the front wings and "Matt chrome" door mirror caps. The sports car may also be ordered with optional 19- inch alloy wheels; Volkswagen R GmbH also offers "Cadiz" wheels in this size; in addition, "Pretoria" wheels are exclusively available in 19-inch format as “flow-forming” wheels (especially lightweight and sturdy) in motorsport design.
Rear section. Rear details that define the look of the new Golf R include smoked LED rear lights with a distinctive light-coloured stripe in the middle, diffuser in "R" design, four chrome tailpipes and an "R" logo on the boot lid.
Eight colours. The range of exterior paints comprises eight body colours. A new paint was created specifically and exclusively for the Golf R: "Lapis Blue Metallic". Alternative colour choices are "Pure White", "Tornado Red", "Night Blue", "Limestone Grey Metallic", "Reflex Silver Metallic", "Deep Black Pearl Effect" and "Oryx White".
Interior of the Golf R
Sport seats in cloth/Alcantara with carbon-look leather. As in the three previous Golf R models, Volkswagen R GmbH has extensively customised and upgraded the interior of the new model as well. This most powerful Golf is equipped with what are known as top sport seats (front). The middle panels are designed in "Race" fabric (“Titan Black”) with black backstitching. Meanwhile, the side panels
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are executed in Alcantara ("Crystal Grey"). The outer surfaces of the seats and the head restraints are designed in “Clip” cloth upholstery (“Titan Black”). Decorative seams in “Crystal Grey” form a contrast to the dark areas. An "R" logo is embossed on the backrests of the front seats.
As an option, Volkswagen also offers a Nappa-carbon leather package. Here, the outer seat surfaces, inner side support panels and head restraints are all upholstered in dark “Carbon” Nappa leather. The decorative seams are “Crystal Grey” in the leather upholstery version as well. Leather is also used to trim the upper and lower grip zones of the three-spoke sport steering wheel in "R" design. Last but not least, the steering wheel’s lower cross bar has a chrome "R" logo.

The decorative inlays of the dashboard and door trim panels feature the "Carbon Touch" design; ambience lighting is also integrated in the door trim panels as standard. The door sill guards are illuminated as well (in blue). The pedals and foot supports are also designed in stainless steel look as standard. Customisation extends down to the floor mats, which have upgraded piping in a contrasting colour.
Instruments in "R" design. The instruments and the start menu of the touchscreen on the centre console were also customised. To give a sporty feel from the very start, when the ignition is switched on the illuminated light-blue needles of the tachometer and speedometer sweep once across the entire scale to the end pin – in the case of the speedometer to the 320 km/h mark.

[Golf7]

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Key aspects in alphabetical order
• Automatic gearbox: - 6-speed DSG
• Cargo capacity:
- 343 litres to 1,233 litres
• Character:
- Flagship with racing DNA
• Colours:
- "Tornado Red", "Pure White", "Lapis Blue Metallic",
"Reflex Silver Metallic", "Limestone Grey Metallic", "Night Blue Metallic", "Deep Black Pearl Effect" and "Oryx White Mother of Pearl Effect"
• Drive system:
- All-wheel drive
• Driver assistance and performance systems:
- Electronic Stability Control (ESC) including ABS,
brake assist, traction control, XDS+ electronic differential lock, four-wheel EDS, engine -
drag torque control, countersteering assist (standard)
- ESC Sport (ESC mode, e.g. for race courses)
- Driver Alert System (standard)
- Automatic post-collision braking system (standard)
- Progressive steering (standard)
- ParkPilot (standard)
- Tyre pressure monitoring indicator (standard)
- DCC dynamic chassis control
- ACC plus adaptive cruise control
Front Assist surroundings monitoring system with
City Emergency Braking
- Dynamic Light Assist dynamic main beam control
- Driving profile selector including Race mode
- Light Assist main beam control
- Cruise control system
- PreCrash occupant protective system
- Rear Assist
- Lane Assist lane-keeping assistant
- Road sign recognition
• Engines – petrol:
2.0 TSI with output of 221 kW / 300 PS
• Equipment line: -R
Golf R / Workshop / Wolfsburg / VOLKSWAGEN / 14
Overview– quick facts
• Infotainment:
- Standard radio: "Composition Touch" (5-inch screen) - “Composition Colour” radio (5-inch screen)
- “Composition Media” radio (5.8-inch screen)
- "Composition Media" radio with navigation function
"Discover Media" (5.8-inch screen)
- “Discover Pro” radio-navigation system (8-inch screen) - Dynaudio sound system
- Car Net (Online services)
• Market launch, Europe: - Fourth quarter of 2013
• Prices (Germany):
- Golf R – from 38,325 euros
• Production location: Wolfsburg plant
• Running gear:
- Front: MacPherson strut suspension
- Rear: modular performance suspension - Progressive steering
• Standard gearbox: 6-speed manual gearbox
• Wheels:
- Standard wheels: 18-inch "Cadiz" alloy wheels
- Optional wheels: 19-inch "Cadiz" alloy wheels and
“Pretoria”

[LouLou]

I'm sure a few of you will wanna have a read of this :)

http://www.netcarshow.com/volkswagen/2014-golf_r/

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[Golf7]

Auto Blog Australia (http://autoblogaustralia.blogspot.com.au) Got some high res pics, I'll keep you all updated!

[Golf7]

Some high res pics : Auto Blog Australia (http://autoblogaustralia.blogspot.com.au). I'll keep you all informed of any new info! Sweet machine! Looks like its all that the Mk.6 R wasn't!

[DoggieHowser]

So no DCC as standard again?

[oshuyi]

Most importantly is that the aus R will be detuned to 206kws

[pologti18t]

Haven't the pics and link to the specs already been posted in the existing Golf R thread??

[VW VR6]

Look awesome:

http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2013/08/DB2013AU01151_large-1.jpg

http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2013/08/DB2013AU01152_large-1.jpg

[team_v]

Oh man, each generation of R gets whees that are harder and harder to clean.
Also that front lip really needs to be more agressive, i see an aftermarket add on being used a lot!

Interesting to note the split quad exhaust, must have had a few complaints about the lack of towing option with the centre mounted ones.

[dsuhiti]

Prices of MK6 R's just went up. That looks very tame, especially the front bumper. Looks like a standard Golf with big wheels, xenons and a sik quad exhaust tip haha.

[daft009]

the quad exhaust, and not being in the centre wrecks it for me.
+ the lack of DRLs to differentiate it from a normal golf.

Will be sticking to my Mk6 R for the full 5yrs I think!

[Ryan_R]

Not tempted by the Mk7 R being nearly 1 second quicker to 100kph?

[Captain Courteous]

smh.drive.com.au/motor-news/volkswagen-golf-r-revealed (http://smh.drive.com.au/motor-news/volkswagen-golf-r-revealed-20130821-2sa92.html)

"it probably won't stray too far from the Mk. VI Golf R’s pricing, which was from $49,990 plus on-road costs."

sounds about right considering the 8V S3 will come in around 60k... Might even be a bit cheaper (thus pushing the price of the GTI down.... Maybe?)

[daft009]

Not tempted by the Mk7 R being nearly 1 second quicker to 100kph?

If I was into my track days etc then yes definitely, but unfortunately not just for Sydney's ****ty roads & drivers :(

[nat225]

Needs to be a lot more aggresive!!

[Ryan_R]

No radar/camera shown on the front yet either

I'm pretty certain that those rims would be the optional ones, since the marketing text that Golf7 posted mentioned 18" wheels as standard, and those pictured look bigger than that.

[LouLou]

No radar/camera shown on the front yet either

I'm pretty certain that those rims would be the optional ones, since the marketing text that Golf7 posted mentioned 18" wheels as standard, and those pictured look bigger than that.

Yeah but the 'Cadiz' wheels come in both 18" and 19" sizes. Apparently there's another 19" optional wheel named 'Pretoria'. I hope the Pretoria wheels are the same one seen on the Nurburgring testing car. They actually look really good.

[LouLou]

http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2013/08/4y9yquhe-1.jpg

I hope these are the 'Pretoria' wheels. Just saying..

[phaeton]

Full Press Release Golf R - the new Flagship | VWWatercooled Australia (http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/2013/08/golf-r-the-new-flagship/)

http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2013/08/72685vw_c_2-1.jpg

[LouLou]

http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2013/08/y3e3ezyq-1.jpg

You can see the details way better in this photo. Notice the fins on the side of the bumper. Doesn't look too bad.

[Andypoo]

Kerb weight will be interesting, might be more chubby than MK6...

[MkVIGTI]

Looks like the R has LED turning indicators within the headlight housing?

I agree does not look that aggressive (GTI appears to be more aggressive in design) but I still like the look regardless.

[LouLou]

These new pictures have now officially blown my mind.

Taken from vwvortex:

http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2013/08/8avute3a-1.jpg
http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2013/08/gy7usede-1.jpg
http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2013/08/udyde7ad-1.jpg
http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2013/08/a9esuzyt-1.jpg
http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2013/08/geqa8eju-1.jpg
http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2013/08/3a9aravy-1.jpg
http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2013/08/u7u8a2ez-1.jpg
http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2013/08/epuqyvyg-1.jpg
http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2013/08/e3unu2ad-1.jpg

[gavs]

Golf R – the new Flagship | VWWatercooled Australia (http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/2013/08/golf-r-the-new-flagship/)

All I can say is *YAWN*

Toyota makes their camry sportivo's look more agressive.

[Longy]

Golf R – the new Flagship | VWWatercooled Australia (http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/2013/08/golf-r-the-new-flagship/)

All I can say is *YAWN*

Toyota makes their camry sportivo's look more agressive.


What's more important, the drive or the looks?

If you want to pimp your ride, I'm sure there will be plenty of 3rd party kits you can bolt on.

[spikeyboy22]

What's more important, the drive or the looks?

If you want to pimp your ride, I'm sure there will be plenty of 3rd party kits you can bolt on.

I think that is aappeal for the Golf R and GTI, they dont look fast but are ..

and they are not over the top. .

[sVWatt]

Golf R – the new Flagship | VWWatercooled Australia (http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/2013/08/golf-r-the-new-flagship/)

All I can say is *YAWN*

Toyota makes their camry sportivo's look more agressive.

Yup, but its still a lame duck. VW and Audi always under-dress to impress.

Id rather that than all show and no go. :rolleyes:

[parso_rex]

I need more detail on the engine fuel system and turbo, that exhaust looks cool too. Looks wise to me its nothing amazing but there two schools of opinion that and mine may differ wildly to others (takes seat on fence :) )

[sergioscirocco]

I am sorry but I believe that the golf r has to look mean otherwise it will look just like a standard golf with big wheels .
I believe it should reflect what It has under the hood and this new line in my opinion is shy and lacks what the R badge is all about.

[Ryan_R]

I didn't think it looked any more understated than the Mk6 R to be honest. I just don't like the wheels and the Mk7 interior, while technically better, doesn't grab me quite the way the Mk6 did when I first saw it. I'd say the new R looks more aggressive than the new S3 hatch.

[Tobes_WIR35]

I'm a bit tired of the looks discussion about Golfs. Every body knows that the Golf is a svelte and understated design. It always has been. If you want something that stands out like a cheap hooker then there are plenty of other cars around that fit the bill, or one can easily tack on some fibreglass and plastic and make their car stand out. I very much like the idea of "less is more" when it comes to aesthetics. I heard a good slogan the other day - "Good design is beautiful. Excellent design is transparent".

EDIT: I just realised how that might sound coming from a guy with a Golf with Adidas badges and big Adidas stripes on the seats.... Lol

[gavs]

I'm a bit tired of the looks discussion about Golfs. Every body knows that the Golf is a svelte and understated design. It always has been. If you want something that stands out like a cheap hooker then there are plenty of other cars around that fit the bill, or one can easily tack on some fibreglass and plastic and make their car stand out. I very much like the idea of "less is more" when it comes to aesthetics. I heard a good slogan the other day - "Good design is beautiful. Excellent design is transparent".



Yup, but its still a lame duck. VW and Audi always under-dress to impress.

Id rather that than all show and no go.


What's more important, the drive or the looks?

If you want to pimp your ride, I'm sure there will be plenty of 3rd party kits you can bolt on.

See, generally I think that for subdued agressive design, VW do it well, AUdi do it better though but that's another case.

My point is that for a premium, performance flagship it just looks bland, like the design team were given too many design constraints and were hamstrung with what they could work with. I know, I've been there and it is so goddamn frustrating.

http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2013/08/golfr_600d600x400-1.jpg

Vs

http://www.theage.com.au/photogallery/drive/new-volkswagen-golf-r-20130821-2sa46.html?selectedImage=1

I'd take the Mk6 for looks. Just my opinion.

[AdamD]

I heard a good slogan the other day - "Good design is beautiful. Excellent design is transparent".

EDIT: I just realised how that might sound coming from a guy with a Golf with Adidas badges and big Adidas stripes on the seats.... Lol

You're driving the automotive equivalent of the girl next door with bright pink makeup? :P

[Marcotto]

Simplicity is the ultimate form of sophistication.

[Tobes_WIR35]

You're driving the automotive equivalent of the girl next door with bright pink makeup? :P

I'd like to be "driving" the girl next door with bright pink makeup, if you know what I mean....

[franjae]

I still prefer the look of this R to that of the snout-look Volvo V40 or Merc A45. There's only so much you can do to a car if the basic shape remains. Unless you squash it but then you would get the Scirocco....

[WhiteJames]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T8TV3icsETo

Not sure if that Blue colour is the same as the previous Golf R or slightly lighter in colour?
WJ

[DoggieHowser]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T8TV3icsETo

Not sure if that Blue colour is the same as the previous Golf R or slightly lighter in colour?
WJ

Nice. I like the dual LED DRLs.

Miss the centre tail pipe tho.


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[andrew7]

Well spotted WJ :)

[kifsteve]

Volkswagen R GmbH / Die Leidenschaft des Motorsports - weiterentwickelt (http://www.volkswagen-r.de/#!golf7R/newVisualizer)

white with the 19s :banana:

[Lima]

More pics!

AUSmotive.com » Volkswagen Golf VII R photo gallery (http://www.ausmotive.com/2013/09/04/golf-vii-r-photo-gallery.html)

[team_v]

Interesting that they have removed any fog lamps/led strips and just gone for the full integration in the headlight assembly.

Is that a cooler behind the front-side air dam like the 9n3 GTI's had?

[Ryan_R]

Part of me prefers blue because it's more distinguished (definitely preferred blue for the Mk5 and 6 R) but then there's more of me that thinks the Mk7 R looks much better in white (even if that means it'll look more similar to all those white GTI's that'll be around).

I'm assuming there will be a bunch of threads here with Mk7 R OEM wheels for sale though.

[AdamD]

I really like the grey actually. At least in the non-realistic configurator, anyway. ;)

I'd be happy with the 18s.

[Rawcpoppa]

Any ideas on price? I recently started looking at Golf R vehicles in general and it got me thinking about my future car for fun drives. Just wondering how expensive used mk6 Golf R cars go for and what would be the new expected price of the mk7 Golf R? VW Aus already removed the mk6 Golf R so I have no clue on price.

[Ryan_R]

Have a look on carsales.com.au - you'll typically find them between 45-60k

[MkVIGTI]

VW did a short presentation on the Golf R at IAA, nothing we don't know about it though.

[Longy]

VW did a short presentation on the Golf R at IAA, nothing we don't know about it though.

And a few pics can be found here:

Frankfurt 2013: New Golf R Makes World Debut [Live Photos] (http://www.autoevolution.com/news/frankfurt-2013-new-golf-r-makes-world-debut-live-photos-66667.html)

[irossiter]

Looks very sophisticated but I still prefer the red and silver accents on the GTI. Certainly not as sporty as GTI again. Those pipes are sick though, bro! I'm going to have another look at the Merc A250, the interior is magnificent and the exterior more adventurous than new GTI. Plan to drive one and see what they are like.

[sekas]

Video review from Frankfurt. Short but at least it covers most items.
Latest Update Volkswagen Golf R at Frankfurt Motor Show 2013 - YouTube (http://youtu.be/wa5bzvgCS48)

[lenojd]

starting to really like the rear!!

[pologti18t]

Better in white?

5315
5316
5317

[AdamD]

5316

I'm definitely feeling those rims.

[Alex31]

That white with those wheels is crisp.

[dsta]

The side mirrors are black not chrome in the pic? So they are going to be black after all it seems?

[elephino]

The side mirrors are black not chrome in the pic? So they are going to be black after all it seems?

Maybe it varies on colour or optional.

[sekas]

The side mirrors are black not chrome in the pic? So they are going to be black after all it seems?

Varies depending on the colour. The white R has the black mirrors at Frankfurt but also the blue R that is on show there as well has the chrome/silver mirrors.
Also spoke to my dealer on Friday and he is estimating a February/March release but who knows, although he was spot on about the GTI coming out in October six months ago.

[Ryan_R]

Silver mirrors was more an Audi S3 thing I thought.

[chylld]

5317

hot damn
is white the new blue? ;)

[dsta]

Liking the rear and the rims!

Wonder how black would look!

[Ryan_R]

I wonder if it'll sound like the S3 (which some journo's say sounds more like a 5cyl)
Instagram (http://instagram.com/p/epkQHJF2n7)

Audi S3 2013 roadtest (English subtitled) - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gKp018TfeXw)

[sekas]

I wonder if it'll sound like the S3 (which some journo's say sounds more like a 5cyl)
Instagram (http://instagram.com/p/epkQHJF2n7)

Audi S3 2013 roadtest (English subtitled) - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gKp018TfeXw)

If i can hear a turbo and the DSG fart. Ill be happy

[Ryan_R]

I don't see why not... at the very least everyone else will be able to hear it ;)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jvgCRBBO574

[lenojd]

Mercedes A45 AMG vs Audi S3 vs BMW M135i: CAR Giant Test (2013) | Road Testing Reviews | Car Magazine Online (http://www.carmagazine.co.uk/Drives/Search-Results/First-drives/Mercedes-A45-AMG-vs-Audi-S3-vs-BMW-M135i-CAR-Giant-Test-2013/)


hmmm interesting:

WRX STI and Evo IX ran turbochargers the size of an infant’s head, causing serious throttle lag followed by even more serious forward thrust. In the wake of these two wild, winged warriors the motor industry has learned a lot about the art of turbocharging, virtually eliminating delay to throttle orders in the process. At least that’s what we thought before setting off on the trails of Hannibal in these highly tuned triplets. No more turbo lag? Hop into the S3 and the ancient vice is back, large as life and annoying. The extra-cost S-tronic may to an extent cushion the effect, but in the manual version one must change down early to keep at least the bottom two LEDs of the boost gauge lit most of the time.

[andrew7]

Yeah read this article: massive fail comparing the dsg/auto merc/Beemer with a manual S3, kinda defeats the purpose of a direct comparison. Other reviews of the S-Tronic S3 praise lightning quick gear chages, effortless performance and plenty of acoustic excess ie turbo whine and dsg farting :) ( refer the drive.com.au preview in April where they drove a weiss S3 in Deutchland)