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RedMk2Gti
18-08-2007, 09:08 AM
Mk1 project has been slow, eventually I pulled out all seat and carpet.

This is how it looks, do you guy think I should continue or dump it to junk yard ?

http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2007/08/100_1799-2.jpg

http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2007/08/100_1794-2.jpg

h100vw
18-08-2007, 09:11 AM
Folk in the UK would stop due to a bit of rust. I have repaired worse than you have there. See how bad it is once cleaned up properly, the wheel well is a common problem.

Maybe try and get a section from a good well to weld in. Same with the floor if it looks really bad.

Gavin

The_Hawk
18-08-2007, 09:28 AM
time for a wire brush and much time me thinks.

Peter Jones
18-08-2007, 09:29 AM
What rust? I can't anything in those shots to be worried about. It all looks like surface rust.

I can see a perforation in the spare wheel recess but I personally wouldn't worry too much about that it's fairly easily fixed and not structural.

For a daily hack I'd just glass it if you don't have access to welding gear, The key is to stop the leaks that caused the rust in the first place.

My 2cents worth:)

Continue!

Pete

RedMk2Gti
18-08-2007, 12:38 PM
The key is to stop the leaks that caused the rust in the first place.

My 2cents worth:)

Continue!

Pete

I'll do what I can do best, the car wont be driven in wet weather once it is done.:)

Golf Loon
18-08-2007, 06:22 PM
Yeah I have repaired worse mate.
Wire brush, or drill attachment, the some rust proofing paint and some fibreglass filler.

A hole in the middle of the wheelwell is a good idea to let the water out. :D

Jarred
18-08-2007, 11:12 PM
stop?! gah.. never! well maybe sometimes, but not in this case! my four and a half cents - wire brush to get rid of surface rust, sand, poly filler of sorts if needed, rust kill paint (or similar) and she'll be sweet i'd say

Oneofthegreats
19-08-2007, 12:11 AM
Big Red.

They wouldn't happen to be ATS teledial wheels by any chance?

Speaking from past & present experience, I'd remove the sound proofing from the wheel well's/arches.

Ozzy built car's didn't have very much seam sealer at all & water got through the joint's & can rust out the wheel well joint's, both inside the cabin & inside the wheel arches.

Just finished sealing my ol 76er up.

I'll get a pic up tomorrow.

86gti
19-08-2007, 02:35 PM
Keep going!!!
ive seen much worse mate!!!!!!!

GoLfMan
19-08-2007, 03:18 PM
keep it going mate, my bug's floor pan looked a mess until i got stuck into it with rust killer and a wire wheel :)

Oneofthegreats
19-08-2007, 08:21 PM
Pic update.

Here are the pic's I said to look at. This is a pretty common area on the 76er's.

I'd remove/scrap (it's pretty hard stuff. May need to take to it with a heat gun.) the sound deadening & have a look. I'd also suggest to seam seal inside the engine bay too, along the same seam. Also seal up the brake line firewall grommet's as they can leak too!

As that was the same case with my 76!

http://xs318.xs.to/xs318/07330/DSC09680.JPG (http://xs.to)http://xs218.xs.to/xs218/07330/DSC09679.JPG (http://xs.to)

It may look messy, but it no longer leak's any water from anyway period!
Also the carpet will cover it all up too.

gtimk5
20-08-2007, 08:14 AM
Check the brake pipes and replace too if they are rusty. It is common for them to rust through. I had a golf a while ago that someone repaired the lines with fuel hose to get rid of the affected pipes!!! That was as dangerous a job as I have seen!!!:o
Andrew :)

RedMk2Gti
20-08-2007, 08:34 AM
Thanks for all the supports, I'll keep going and post updates, may be once in six months :D

RedMk2Gti
31-08-2007, 03:44 PM
Anyone know what is the most efficient way to remove the bitumen stuff in the floor (are they for sound deadening ?), I have been chisel/hammer them out, I may be dump :???:

Oneofthegreats
31-08-2007, 03:50 PM
Heat Gun & a good sharp scraper through & through.

Recently had to do this myself.

Don't heat the soundproofing up too much as it turn's really stringy & gluey. Just enough to make it warm & it should remove without too much effort.

When it come's to sealing it all up, the place you want to start at is in the engine bay. That's were the problem start's from. Were the strut tower's join upto the firewall.

Lukev85
31-08-2007, 04:07 PM
Rust, rust, rust i hate rust.

Lucky for you it looks like surface rust like the guys on the forum said.


I can get my hands on the ultimate rust killer. My father gets it from the railways and is not available for retail. Ill see if I can get some if your interested. I gave some to a mate in my club for his kombi camper and he loved the stuff.

Oneofthegreats
31-08-2007, 05:13 PM
These are places you've really got to seal in the engine bay.

Right at the firewall & down to the where the brake pipe's enter the cabin.

http://xs218.xs.to/xs218/07355/DSC09705.JPG (http://xs.to)

http://xs318.xs.to/xs318/07355/DSC09706.JPG (http://xs.to)

http://xs318.xs.to/xs318/07355/DSC09708.JPG (http://xs.to)

RedMk2Gti
31-08-2007, 10:12 PM
Thanks Golfworx, what do you use to seal it ? are they just plastic body filler ??

RedMk2Gti
24-11-2007, 09:23 PM
I'm sure a lot of people here has removed their Mk1 hatch, but I spend half an hour and still can not decide if i need to cut this wire in order to remove the hatch. Any idea ??
http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2007/11/100_1814-1.jpg

btw, some update pic of my project :)

nice coat of POR15 at all front
http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2007/11/100_1812-1.jpg

POR15 at the rear, prime all vertical panel before new black top coat. The car will be black at the end.
http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2007/11/100_1811-1.jpg

Golf Loon
24-11-2007, 10:27 PM
Looking Good Eric, Did you get the bootlid off? You need to cut the wire , but leave enough, so that you can rejoin.

RedMk2Gti
25-11-2007, 09:55 PM
Looking Good Eric, Did you get the bootlid off? You need to cut the wire , but leave enough, so that you can rejoin.

ya i'm trying to take the bootlid off, i guess i have no other way except cutting the wire then .. i must say VW somehow is really over engineering :rolleyes:

h100vw
25-11-2007, 10:00 PM
You could pull the wire out of the hatch but make sure you pull some string through as you remove the wire so you can get it back in.

Gavin

RedMk2Gti
27-11-2007, 07:41 AM
You could pull the wire out of the hatch but make sure you pull some string through as you remove the wire so you can get it back in.

Gavin

I can see the wire run all the way to the fuse box, cutting it could be easier.

RedMk2Gti
01-12-2007, 11:50 AM
cleaning the bonnet at the moment and notice these filling material between the skin and the frame, anyone what are they ?
They are dry and hard so I suppose I'll remove them all. After I repaint should I worry to refill them ? I think they are not just plastic filler cos it has to be heat resistent.
Ideally I should separate the skin and frame to properly clean up, but I don't know how to weld and don't have money to pay for smash repairer :(

http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2007/12/100_1819-2.jpg

http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2007/12/100_1818-2.jpg

RedMk2Gti
10-01-2008, 12:05 PM
Floorpan is done, how nice the POR15 coating is
http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2008/01/20071205022-1.jpg

Soundproofing
http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2008/01/20071205027-1.jpg

Some leftover for doors and quarter panel
http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2008/01/20071205025-1.jpg

New carpet
http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2008/01/20071205029-1.jpg

Will take some break this weekend before cleaning up the shell .

Peter Jones
10-01-2008, 12:15 PM
cleaning the bonnet at the moment and notice these filling material between the skin and the frame, anyone what are they ?
They are dry and hard so I suppose I'll remove them all. After I repaint should I worry to refill them ? I think they are not just plastic filler cos it has to be heat resistent.
Ideally I should separate the skin and frame to properly clean up, but I don't know how to weld and don't have money to pay for smash repairer :(





It's probably seam sealer. Ask your local panel beating supply shop. I got some for a Beetle I'm restoring from the Body Shop.(No - not Anita Rod****'s franchise - the panel beating supply chain.j:)

Pete

anarchycamp
10-01-2008, 12:17 PM
Lookin good mate!!!

What thickness is that Dynamat? did you get the 36 sq feet pack?

RedMk2Gti
10-01-2008, 05:53 PM
Lookin good mate!!!

What thickness is that Dynamat? did you get the 36 sq feet pack?

Dynamat Xtreme 8 sheets pack, still got plenty left over for other area.

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/Dynamat-Xtreme-Extreme-BULK-PACK-8EA-Sheets-32-SQ-FT3M_W0QQitemZ260201363388QQihZ016QQcategoryZ67760 QQtcZphotoQQcmdZViewItem

Jarred
10-01-2008, 07:10 PM
looking good. I would have liked to have POR'ed all the underside and inside of my car, but that will have to wait for one day when I can give her a full re build

Preen59
10-01-2008, 07:12 PM
WHOA!!!!!!!

Don't remove all the seam sealer!!!!! n:

IF you remove it all, it's VERY difficult to get the bonnet flat again!

You really should leave that to a smash repairer. It might cost you a couple of hundred, but it'll be worth it. Otherwise you bonnet will end up looking like the surf at manly! :)



cleaning the bonnet at the moment and notice these filling material between the skin and the frame, anyone what are they ?
They are dry and hard so I suppose I'll remove them all. After I repaint should I worry to refill them ? I think they are not just plastic filler cos it has to be heat resistent.
Ideally I should separate the skin and frame to properly clean up, but I don't know how to weld and don't have money to pay for smash repairer :(

http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2007/12/100_1819-1.jpg

http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2007/12/100_1818-1.jpg

RedMk2Gti
11-01-2008, 07:35 AM
WHOA!!!!!!!

Don't remove all the seam sealer!!!!! n:

IF you remove it all, it's VERY difficult to get the bonnet flat again!

You really should leave that to a smash repairer. It might cost you a couple of hundred, but it'll be worth it. Otherwise you bonnet will end up looking like the surf at manly! :)

I just can't help to remove them cos the rust under it irritate me j:
How hard to apply seam sealer again once it is clean ? alternatively I'll find a replacement bonnet from junk yard.

If I win lotto tomorrow I'll get this :cool: http://cgi.ebay.com.au/Carbon-Fibre-Bonnet-Hood-Golf-MK1-Gti-Volkswagen-VW_W0QQitemZ220190448056QQihZ012QQcategoryZ9889QQs sPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Peter Jones
11-01-2008, 09:02 AM
I
How hard to apply seam sealer again once it is clean ?


Easy, it comes in a cartridge like silastic. You can buy the cartridge gun at Bunnings for a couple of dollars.

Pete

Preen59
12-01-2008, 02:32 PM
I just can't help to remove them cos the rust under it irritate me j:
How hard to apply seam sealer again once it is clean ? alternatively I'll find a replacement bonnet from junk yard.

If I win lotto tomorrow I'll get this :cool: http://cgi.ebay.com.au/Carbon-Fibre-Bonnet-Hood-Golf-MK1-Gti-Volkswagen-VW_W0QQitemZ220190448056QQihZ012QQcategoryZ9889QQs sPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem


Furry muff. Just be very careful when you re-apply the seam sealer. Like i Said bonnets are really hard to keep flat. Especially the goof ones cuase there's a lot of unsupported area without the support brackets underneath. The guys that did my car spent age on the bonnet trying to get it flat.

Damn nice carbon bonnet that one... If only we all had a spare 1500 bucks.

static1800
18-01-2008, 07:59 AM
How is this project coming along mate? still cleaning it up?

what are the plans for it??

RedMk2Gti
18-01-2008, 02:53 PM
Being a donkey who works 7 days a week, this has to be sloooooow :(
Well the hardest part (floorpan) is gone, now cleaning up all other panel and the shell. First plan is to get it respray and put it back together for rego renewal due in May, then depend on budget, phase 2 is machanical works...

Static, saw you've dropped the 16V plan, what's up now ?? go VR6 or 1.8T :?:

RedMk2Gti
22-03-2008, 08:46 AM
After 9 months blood and tear, I eventually put her shoe back, and it can still start !!

Now ready to go to oven, some pic to share.

http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2008/03/100_1913-1.jpg

http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2008/03/100_1906-1.jpg

http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2008/03/100_1908-1.jpg

http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2008/03/100_1911-1.jpg

RedMk2Gti
22-03-2008, 08:51 AM
http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2008/03/100_1909-1.jpg

http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2008/03/100_1904-1.jpg

http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2008/03/100_1905-1.jpg

:)

Jarred
22-03-2008, 01:35 PM
nice to see and update!

and are they teledials????