VWW Official MKIV Wheel Q&A [Archive] - VWWatercooled Australia

dylan8

05-09-2012, 02:10 PM

Thanks to Pat at uk-mkivs.net

If you do have a question, please give the following information:

Wheel width (front and rear)
Wheel offset (front and rear)

Without these 2 figures, it's impossible to say how the wheel will sit in relation to the arches.

Desired ride height's also useful to know.
On a mk4, at the front up until ~70mm lower than standard the amount of poke stays the same.
After this point the front sucks in at the top, (kind of cambers in) and will affect the final amount of poke.
The rear, being a single beam, stays the same no matter what the final height.
4wd mk4's are different again, as they have independent rear suspension (IRS). Lowering can be likened to lowering the front (ie, the wheel will start to camber in, the lower the car is)
I'll post pictures to demonstrate this.

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Another thing to remember. On a mk4, the rear track is around 8-10mm less per side than the front. Therefore, if you fit some 10mm spacers at the rear, it will sit in line with the arch exactly the same as the front. So if you're running standard wheels and want a reasonable cheap aesthetic fix, get some 8-10mm spacers on the back. It'll improve the look without costing a bomb.

If you're wanting to run staggered wheels, this can work to your advantage. If your front wheel is 8j et25, and the rear is 9j et25, then the rear will sit just 3mm further out than the front (10mm less, but 1/2" (12.7mm) wider each side of the centre)

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Measuring a wheel:

It's amazing how many people do not know that a wheel measures an inch larger, both in diameter and in width than it's specified. For example, when you put a measuring stick on a 15x7j wheel, it'll actually measure 16" in diameter and 8" in width. This is because the bead is not included in the measurement and is 1/2" top and bottom, and 1/2" at each rim = 1" extra all round

http://www.imagewheels.co.uk/images/tech_spec.jpg

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How to measure a wheel's offset:

Although most wheels will have stamps on them somewhere (rear of spokes for example), some won't. The offset is described by the term ET, which is from the German word 'Einpresstiefe' translated as 'insertion depth'. You'll see it stamped, ET** or **ET (** = number)

Anyway, this is made a lot easier if you have the wheel in front of you without a tyre fitted, but is possible if the tyre's still on it.

Get a straight edge, ie a steel ruler or strip of straight cut wood and a measuring tape.

1) Measure the entire width of the wheel. If it's an 8j wheel, it'll measure 9" across from outside of the bead to outside of the bead (A in the diagram above) I'll use this as an example here. The example wheel will have an positive offset (et) of 35mm.

http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2012/09/DSC_4111-1.jpg

and inside bead to inside bead, it's 8"

http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2012/09/DSC_4113-1.jpg

2) Place the steel ruler flat across the rear of the wheel

http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2012/09/DSC_4107-1.jpg

3) Using the tape, measure from the mounting face where the wheel sits on the hub to the edge of your steel rule. Make a note of it. This measurement is the backspace (B). In this example it's 149mm

http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2012/09/DSC_4108-1.jpg

http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2012/09/DSC_4109-1.jpg

4) Convert the measurement of the total wheel width (A) to millimetres. In this case it'd be 9 x 25.4 = 228.6mm
5) Divide it by 2, = 114.3mm
6) Take the backspace measurement (B) that you got in point 3, and deduct the measurement you got in point 5, eg: 149mm - 114.3mm = 34.7mm This is the offset of the wheel. In this example this makes ~35mm
7) If the tyre's still fitted to the wheel and has stretch, it's likely you'll still be able to do this with no problem. However, if the tyre's not stretched and protrudes out further than the rim then you'll need to make your straight edge in point 1 the same length as the diameter of the wheel, so that it sits on the rim, to get an accurate measurement. A strip of wood cut to length would do nicely

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Some links containing very good information

Clicky: Wheel Offset Calculator (http://www.1010tires.com/WheelOffsetCalculator.asp)
Clicky: How to measure multi-piece wheels, lips, barrels etc (http://forums.vwvortex.com/showthread.php?3773369)
Clicky: Final calculations after lip and / or barrel change (http://forums.vwvortex.com/showthread.php?4256707)
Clicky: Tyre stretch thread with quite a few example pictures (http://uk-mkivs.net/forums/t/405408.aspx)
Clicky: vwvortex mk4 wheel offset and stance picture index (http://forums.vwvortex.com/showthread.php?5661012-Mk4-Wheel-Offset-and-Stance-Picture-Index)
Clicky: vwvortex Tyre stretch master thread with examples (http://forums.vwvortex.com/showthread.php?3720255-Tire-Stretch-Master-Thread-w-examples)

dylan8

05-09-2012, 02:10 PM

Differences between MKIV models affecting fitment

Track difference
Brake sizes
Driveshaft sizes and lows
Sway bars

dylan8

05-09-2012, 02:11 PM

List of standard wheels and tyre sizes from factory for MKIV

1.6lt:
14"

My 2lt had:
195/65/15 on 15x6et38
205/55/16 on 16x6.5et42
225/45/17 on 17x7et38

R32:
225/40/18 on 18x7.5et38

dylan8

05-09-2012, 02:11 PM

AWD and staggered tyres/widths

Had no problems at all with a staggered setup.

Have a read of this thread: http://www.vwwatercooled.org.au/forums/f14/maximum-front-rear-tyre-width-difference-4motion-60616.html

Basically widths and offsets don't affect the Haldex in the 4motion as the Haldex just cares about wheel slippage. Rolling circumference of the tyre is what can throw it off, although the Haldex controller is programmed to accept variable rolling circumferences and deal with it. On one forum someone said (don't quote me on this) that the maximum difference is 4% which is a pretty huge difference anyway.

In terms of increasing the rear track more than the front I honestly didn't pay attention so can't answer that.

dylan8

05-09-2012, 02:11 PM

if people layed it out like below, i think it would be helpful, as there are too many variables.
and if not all info is supplied its a pointless exercise.

Example:
Car: FWD or AWD
Front: 18x8.5 et30 215/40/18
Rear: 18x9 et30 225/40/18
Arch height to ground Front: 24"
Arch height to ground Rear: 24"
Fenders Rolled: Yes
Fenders Pulled: No
Camber: Front No / 1deg extra in rear
Photo 1: showing height of car
Photo 2: showing poke/fitment in relation to the guards

dylan8

05-09-2012, 02:12 PM

The VWW MKIV Library

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** 15" Wheels **
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15x6

15x6.5

15x7

15x7.5

15x8

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** 16" Wheels **
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16x6.5
Front et43 dylan8 (http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/f14/vww-official-mkiv-wheel-q-76233-5.html#post887262)
Rear et43 dylan8 (http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/f14/vww-official-mkiv-wheel-q-76233-5.html#post887262)

16x7

16x7.5

16x8

16x8.5

16x9

dylan8

05-09-2012, 02:13 PM

**************
** 17" Wheels **
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17x7
Front et20 dylan8 (http://www.vwwatercooled.org.au/forums/f14/vww-official-mkiv-wheel-q-76233-2.html#post855242)

17x7.5
Front et38 TazzyVR6 (http://www.vwwatercooled.org.au/forums/f14/vww-official-mkiv-wheel-q-76233-3.html#post855252)
Front et32 fuzion (http://www.vwwatercooled.org.au/forums/f14/vww-official-mkiv-wheel-q-76233-3.html#post855266)
Front et30 Neroo (http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/f14/vww-official-mkiv-wheel-q-76233-9.html#post965944)
Front et30 Dylan8 (http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/f14/vww-official-mkiv-wheel-q-76233-18.html#post1042778)
Front et18 staticmk4 (http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/f14/vww-official-mkiv-wheel-q-76233-22.html#post1109300)
Front et14 eri_12 (http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/f14/vww-official-mkiv-wheel-q-76233-6.html#post897931)
Rear et38 TazzyVR6 (http://www.vwwatercooled.org.au/forums/f14/vww-official-mkiv-wheel-q-76233-3.html#post855252)
Rear et32 fuzion (http://www.vwwatercooled.org.au/forums/f14/vww-official-mkiv-wheel-q-76233-3.html#post855266)
Rear et30 Dylan8 (http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/f14/vww-official-mkiv-wheel-q-76233-18.html#post1042778)
Rear et21 Swainey32 (http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/f14/vww-official-mkiv-wheel-q-76233-6.html#post897931)
Rear et16 Neroo (http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/f14/vww-official-mkiv-wheel-q-76233-9.html#post965944)
Rear et10 eri_12 (http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/f14/vww-official-mkiv-wheel-q-76233-6.html#post897931)

17x8
Front et32 madglf3 (http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/f14/vww-official-mkiv-wheel-q-76233-9.html#post966268)
Front et25 theOctopus (http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/f14/vww-official-mkiv-wheel-q-76233-6.html#post891498)
Front et24 trickysimon (http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/f14/vww-official-mkiv-wheel-q-76233-18.html#post1055518)
Front et18 florantonio (http://www.vwwatercooled.org.au/forums/f14/vww-official-mkiv-wheel-q-76233-4.html#post855274)
Front et0 trickysimon (http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/f14/vww-official-mkiv-wheel-q-76233-22.html#post1097931)
Rear et32 madglf3 (http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/f14/vww-official-mkiv-wheel-q-76233-9.html#post966268)
Rear et14 trickysimon (http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/f14/vww-official-mkiv-wheel-q-76233-18.html#post1055518)

17x8.5
Front et25 kapowww (http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/f14/vww-official-mkiv-wheel-q-76233-7.html#post901297)
Front et23 dylan8 (http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/f14/vww-official-mkiv-wheel-q-76233-11.html#post1001419)
Front et18 undisclos3d (http://www.vwwatercooled.org.au/forums/f14/vww-official-mkiv-wheel-q-76233-2.html#post855246)
Front et15 dylan8 (http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/f14/vww-official-mkiv-wheel-q-76233-21.html#post1086175)
Rear et20 kapowww (http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/f14/vww-official-mkiv-wheel-q-76233-7.html#post901297)
Rear et18 dylan8 (http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/f14/vww-official-mkiv-wheel-q-76233-11.html#post1001419)
Rear et18 staticmk4 (http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/f14/vww-official-mkiv-wheel-q-76233-22.html#post1109300)

17x9
Front et37 Neroo (http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/f14/vww-official-mkiv-wheel-q-76233-10.html#post984761)
Front et28 trickysimon (http://www.vwwatercooled.org.au/forums/f14/vww-official-mkiv-wheel-q-76233-3.html#post855247)
Front et20 dylan8 (http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/f14/vww-official-mkiv-wheel-q-76233-5.html#post884816)
Front et20 eri_12 (http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/f14/vww-official-mkiv-wheel-q-76233-21.html#post1085225)
Rear et38 trickysimon (http://www.vwwatercooled.org.au/forums/f14/vww-official-mkiv-wheel-q-76233-2.html#post855243)
Rear et38 Neroo (http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/f14/vww-official-mkiv-wheel-q-76233-10.html#post984761)
Rear et27 theOctopus (http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/f14/vww-official-mkiv-wheel-q-76233-6.html#post891498)
Rear et20 dylan8 (http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/f14/vww-official-mkiv-wheel-q-76233-2.html#post855242)
Rear et15 florantonio (http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/f14/vww-official-mkiv-wheel-q-76233-4.html#post855274)
Front et15 eri_12 (http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/f14/vww-official-mkiv-wheel-q-76233-21.html#post1085225)
Rear et11 trickysimon (http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/f14/vww-official-mkiv-wheel-q-76233-22.html#post1097931)

17x9.5
Rear et24 undisclos3d (http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/f14/vww-official-mkiv-wheel-q-76233-2.html#post855246)
Rear et19 dylan8 (http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/f14/vww-official-mkiv-wheel-q-76233-5.html#post884816)
Rear et18 dylan8 (http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/f14/vww-official-mkiv-wheel-q-76233-21.html#post1086175)

dylan8

05-09-2012, 02:13 PM

**************
** 18" Wheels **
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18x7.5
Front et45 83_SUS (http://www.vwwatercooled.org.au/forums/f14/vww-official-mkiv-wheel-q-76233-3.html#post855254)
Front et28 trickysimon (http://www.vwwatercooled.org.au/forums/f14/vww-official-mkiv-wheel-q-76233-4.html#post862563)
Rear et45 83_SUS (http://www.vwwatercooled.org.au/forums/f14/vww-official-mkiv-wheel-q-76233-3.html#post855254)
Rear et18 trickysimon (http://www.vwwatercooled.org.au/forums/f14/vww-official-mkiv-wheel-q-76233-4.html#post862563)

18x8
Front et19 dylan8 (http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/f14/vww-official-mkiv-wheel-q-76233-11.html#post1007366)
Front et20 MCiN7 (http://www.vwwatercooled.org.au/forums/f14/vww-official-mkiv-wheel-q-76233-2.html#post855245)
Front et24 florantonio (http://www.vwwatercooled.org.au/forums/f14/vww-official-mkiv-wheel-q-76233-4.html#post855273)
Front et24 dylan8 (http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/f14/vww-official-mkiv-wheel-q-76233-8.html#post925682)
Front et25 Cam Farey (http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/f14/vww-official-mkiv-wheel-q-76233-8.html#post921001)
Front et32 YellowDieselGolf (http://www.vwwatercooled.org.au/forums/f14/vww-official-mkiv-wheel-q-76233-3.html#post855255)
Front et35 Adzismad2 (http://www.vwwatercooled.org.au/forums/f14/vww-official-mkiv-wheel-q-76233-3.html#post855249)
Front et35 eri_12 (http://www.vwwatercooled.org.au/forums/f14/vww-official-mkiv-wheel-q-76233-5.html#post865055)
Front et38 simonjohnhead (http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/f14/vww-official-mkiv-wheel-q-76233-28.html#post1179363)
Rear et10 eri_12 (http://www.vwwatercooled.org.au/forums/f14/vww-official-mkiv-wheel-q-76233-5.html#post865055)
Rear et15 MCiN7 (http://www.vwwatercooled.org.au/forums/f14/vww-official-mkiv-wheel-q-76233-2.html#post855245)
Rear et19 florantonio (http://www.vwwatercooled.org.au/forums/f14/vww-official-mkiv-wheel-q-76233-4.html#post855273)
Rear et32 YellowDieselGolf (http://www.vwwatercooled.org.au/forums/f14/vww-official-mkiv-wheel-q-76233-3.html#post855255)
Rear et33 simonjohnhead (http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/f14/vww-official-mkiv-wheel-q-76233-28.html#post1179363)
Rear et35 Adzismad2 (http://www.vwwatercooled.org.au/forums/f14/vww-official-mkiv-wheel-q-76233-3.html#post855249)

18x8.5
Front et21 thestu (http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/f14/vww-official-mkiv-wheel-q-76233-8.html#post965390)
Front et22 dylan8 (http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/f14/vww-official-mkiv-wheel-q-76233-18.html#post1052096)
Front et25 kapowww (http://www.vwwatercooled.org.au/forums/f14/vww-official-mkiv-wheel-q-76233-2.html#post855235)
Front et25 dylan8 (http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/f14/vww-official-mkiv-wheel-q-76233-8.html#post950362)
Front et26 SLAJ (http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/f14/vww-official-mkiv-wheel-q-76233-22.html#post1110170)
Front et30 dylan8 (http://www.vwwatercooled.org.au/forums/f14/vww-official-mkiv-wheel-q-76233-2.html#post855236)
Front et30 dylan8 (http://www.vwwatercooled.org.au/forums/f14/vww-official-mkiv-wheel-q-76233-2.html#post855238)
Front et30 tomtom_r32 (http://www.vwwatercooled.org.au/forums/f14/vww-official-mkiv-wheel-q-76233-5.html#post870198)
Front et30 Lito (http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/f14/vww-official-mkiv-wheel-q-76233-5.html#post883696)
Front et32 stotto (http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/f14/vww-official-mkiv-wheel-q-76233-11.html#post1013253)
Front et35? sierra055 (http://www.vwwatercooled.org.au/forums/f14/vww-official-mkiv-wheel-q-76233-3.html#post855261)
Front et35 trickysimon (http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/f14/vww-official-mkiv-wheel-q-76233-8.html#post918453)
Rear et15 thestu (http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/f14/vww-official-mkiv-wheel-q-76233-8.html#post965390)
Rear et21 SLAJ (http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/f14/vww-official-mkiv-wheel-q-76233-22.html#post1110170)
Rear et25 dylan8 (http://www.vwwatercooled.org.au/forums/f14/vww-official-mkiv-wheel-q-76233-2.html#post855236)
Rear et29 stotto (http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/f14/vww-official-mkiv-wheel-q-76233-11.html#post1013253)
Rear et30 tomtom_r32 (http://www.vwwatercooled.org.au/forums/f14/vww-official-mkiv-wheel-q-76233-5.html#post870198)
Rear et30 Lito (http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/f14/vww-official-mkiv-wheel-q-76233-5.html#post883696)
Rear et35? sierra055 (http://www.vwwatercooled.org.au/forums/f14/vww-official-mkiv-wheel-q-76233-3.html#post855261)

18x9
Front et20 SLAJ (http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/f14/vww-official-mkiv-wheel-q-76233-9.html#post965732)
Rear et31 dylan8 (http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/f14/vww-official-mkiv-wheel-q-76233-8.html#post925682)
Rear et30 dylan8 (http://www.vwwatercooled.org.au/forums/f14/vww-official-mkiv-wheel-q-76233-2.html#post855238)
Rear et30 dylan8 (http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/f14/vww-official-mkiv-wheel-q-76233-8.html#post950362)
Rear et25 Cam Farey (http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/f14/vww-official-mkiv-wheel-q-76233-8.html#post921001)
Rear et20 SLAJ (http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/f14/vww-official-mkiv-wheel-q-76233-9.html#post965732)

18x9.5
Rear et27 dylan8 (http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/f14/vww-official-mkiv-wheel-q-76233-18.html#post1052096)
Rear et40 trickysimon (http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/f14/vww-official-mkiv-wheel-q-76233-8.html#post918453)

18x10
Rear et15 kapowww (http://www.vwwatercooled.org.au/forums/f14/vww-official-mkiv-wheel-q-76233-2.html#post855235)

18x10.5

18x11

dylan8

05-09-2012, 02:13 PM

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** 19" Wheels **
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19x8
Front et37 dainese (http://www.vwwatercooled.org.au/forums/f14/vww-official-mkiv-wheel-q-76233-5.html#post870202)

19x8.5
Front et30 dylan8 (http://www.vwwatercooled.org.au/forums/f14/vww-official-mkiv-wheel-q-76233-2.html#post855237)
Front et30 99gti (http://www.vwwatercooled.org.au/forums/f14/vww-official-mkiv-wheel-q-76233-3.html#post855259)
Front et35 dylan8 (http://www.vwwatercooled.org.au/forums/f14/vww-official-mkiv-wheel-q-76233-2.html#post855241)
Rear et35 dylan8 (http://www.vwwatercooled.org.au/forums/f14/vww-official-mkiv-wheel-q-76233-2.html#post855241)

19x9
Front et23 thestu (http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/f14/vww-official-mkiv-wheel-q-76233-8.html#post965385)
Front et23 SLAJ (http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/f14/vww-official-mkiv-wheel-q-76233-11.html#post1002401)
Front et33 trickysimon (http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/f14/vww-official-mkiv-wheel-q-76233-5.html#post883336)
Rear et37 dainese (http://www.vwwatercooled.org.au/forums/f14/vww-official-mkiv-wheel-q-76233-5.html#post870202)

19x9.5

19x10
Rear et10 thestu (http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/f14/vww-official-mkiv-wheel-q-76233-8.html#post965385)
Rear et25 SLAJ (http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/f14/vww-official-mkiv-wheel-q-76233-11.html#post1002401)
Rear et32 dylan8 (http://www.vwwatercooled.org.au/forums/f14/vww-official-mkiv-wheel-q-76233-2.html#post855237)
Rear et32 99gti (http://www.vwwatercooled.org.au/forums/f14/vww-official-mkiv-wheel-q-76233-3.html#post855259)
Rear et33 trickysimon (http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/f14/vww-official-mkiv-wheel-q-76233-5.html#post883336)
Rear et33 trickysimon (http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/f14/vww-official-mkiv-wheel-q-76233-22.html#post1109278)

19x10.5

19x11

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** 20" Wheels **
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20x7.5

20x8

20x8.5
Front et35? gringo_54_oval (http://www.vwwatercooled.org.au/forums/f14/vww-official-mkiv-wheel-q-76233-2.html#post855244)
Rear et10? gringo_54_oval (http://www.vwwatercooled.org.au/forums/f14/vww-official-mkiv-wheel-q-76233-2.html#post855244)

dylan8

06-09-2012, 10:35 AM

Car: VW Bora V6 4motion
Wheels: Miro STP-1
Front: 18x8.5 et25 (after 5mm spacer) 225/40/18
Rear: 18x10 et15 (after 10mm spacer) 235/40/18
Fenders Rolled: Yes
Fenders Pulled: Rears only
Camber: Natural 4motion rear camber when it's lowered //----\\
Suspension: KW V1 with rear perches and adjusters removed
Notes: Obviously would look better dumped but this was the lowest I was prepared to go for a daily. Rear had a bit too much poke. Spacers were smallest I could use for the wheels to clear calipers, no problems hitting the strut with standard offsets.

http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2012/05/e112001c-1.jpg

http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2012/08/DSC_1022-1.jpg

http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2012/05/BORAREAR-1.jpg

http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2012/05/MIRORIMS-1.jpg

http://www.vwwatercooled.org.au/forums/f14/official-mk4-wheel-thread-43688-2.html#post846579

dylan8

06-09-2012, 10:37 AM

Car: VW Bora 2lt FWD
Wheels: Audi A8 Flat5s
Front: 18x8.5 et30 (after 15mm adapter) 215/40/18
Rear: 18x8.5 et25 (after 20mm adapter) 215/40/18
Fenders Rolled: Yes
Fenders Pulled: No
Camber: Rear has additional 1deg each side (approx 2.5deg each side total)
Suspension: TA Technix. Helpers out in the front. adjusters, perch, and bush all still in the rear.
Notes: Perfect daily spec... proper sized and legal fitment, wheels would have sat inside the guards if my rear beam was centred (is now), looked like factory wheels.
Would have loved to go lower but rubbing the drivers side driveshaft on the body and wouldnt have lowered the rear anymore without the front going down because cars should have rake :P

http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2011/11/6321683154_29844a08a1_o-1.jpg
http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2011/11/6321683596_74abd9996e_o-1.jpg
http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2011/11/6321683866_5c333b6cc8_o-1.jpg
http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2011/11/6321725634_e56b95415d_o-1.jpg
http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/
http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/

dylan8

06-09-2012, 10:38 AM

Car: VW Bora 2lt FWD
Wheels: Genuine BBS LMs
Front: 19x8.5 et30 (after 25mm adapter) 215/35/19
Rear: 19x10 et32 (after 20mm adapter) 235/35/19
Fenders Rolled: No
Fenders Pulled: No
Camber: Rear has additional 1deg each side (approx 2.5deg each side total)
Suspension: TA Technix. Helpers out in the front. adjusters, perch, and bush all still in the rear and wound up 10mm.
Notes: Had these on at too stages, most of the photos are from GAF11 are with the arches unrolled and rear wound up 10mm
then back it up for Nats12 with the fronts rolled and rears wound down. made for fun times with 4 people in the car..
again, would have loved more lows but the front driveshaft was in the way.

http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/
http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/
http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/
http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/
http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/
http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/
http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/
http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/
http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/
http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/
http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/
http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/
http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/

the later photos:
http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/
http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/
http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/
http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/

dylan8

06-09-2012, 10:38 AM

Car: VW Bora 2lt FWD
Wheels: Custom Teledials
Front: 18x8.5 et30 (after 20mm adapter) 215/40/18
Rear: 18x9 et30 (after 15mm adapter) 225/40/18
Fenders Rolled: No
Fenders Pulled: No
Camber: Rear has additional 1deg each side (approx 2.5deg each side total)
Suspension: TA Technix. Helpers out in the front. adjusters, perch, and bush all still in the rear.
Notes: Had these on at too stages again, early stages car was a bit higher and didnt have extra camber (Nationals 2011)
then the car was lowered all round and the shims were left in after the LMs. Arches were also rolled in recent times.
Will be improving the specs shortly

http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/
http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/
http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/
http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/

for reference, this is what a 215/40/18 looks like on a 8.5 and a 225/40/18 on a 9.
these fitments meet the manufactures spec believe it or not.
http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/
http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/

dylan8

06-09-2012, 10:39 AM

Car: VW Bora 2lt FWD
Wheels: Axis Pentas
Front: 19x8.5 et35 225/35/19
Rear: 19x8.5 et35 225/35/19
Fenders Rolled: No
Fenders Pulled: No
Camber: None
Suspension: TA Technix. Helpers out in the front. adjusters, perch, and bush all still in the rear and wound up 10mm.
Notes: fitted this not long after clearing a defect so car started high again then came down.
Front poked so much in the first photo.

http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/
http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/
http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2011/04/IMGP8438-1.jpg
http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2011/04/IMGP8439-1.jpg
http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2011/04/IMGP8440-1.jpg
http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2011/04/IMGP8457-1.jpg

dylan8

06-09-2012, 10:39 AM

Car: VW Bora 2lt FWD
Wheels: BBS RS
Front: 17x7 et20 (after 20mm adapter and 5mm spacer) 195/45/17
Rear: 17x9 et20 (after 15mm adapter) 205/45/17
Fenders Rolled: No
Fenders Pulled: No
Camber: None
Suspension: TA Technix.
Notes: My first real crack at fitment. not great, but have to start somewhere.
195/45 is WAY to small in profile for the height of the car or even a slammed mk4.

http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/
http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/
http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/
http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/
http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/

dylan8

06-09-2012, 10:40 AM

Car: VW Bora 2.8 4Motion
Wheels: BBS Impuls
Front: 17x8 et32 (after 20mm spacer) 225/45/17
Rear: 17x9 et38 225/45/17
Fenders Rolled: Fronts lightly rolled
Fenders Pulled: No
Camber: None
Suspension: TA Technix.
Notes: Helper springs out of front. Rear adjusters completely out.
http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2012/08/IMG_0646-1.jpg
http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2012/08/IMG_0488-1.jpg
http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2012/08/DSCF4513-1.jpg

http://www.vwwatercooled.org.au/forums/f14/official-mk4-wheel-thread-43688-3.html#post847076

dylan8

06-09-2012, 10:42 AM

Car: VW Bora 2.8 4Motion
Wheels:Audi A8s Polished face colour coded inserts
Fronts:20 x 8.5 225/30/20
Rears: 20 x 8.5 225/30/20 25mm spacers
Guards rolled Front & Rear: No
Camber:some factory camber from being low
Suspension:Bilstein Shocks & Lowered Springs

http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2012/08/boratspacedrear-1.jpg

http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2012/08/IMG_1145-1.jpg

http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2012/02/borahelenshouse-1.jpg

http://www.vwwatercooled.org.au/forums/f14/official-mk4-wheel-thread-43688-3.html#post848472

dylan8

06-09-2012, 10:43 AM

Car: VW Golf MK4 GL (1.6L)
Wheels: Reps
Front: 18x8 et20, 215/40/R18
Rear: 18x8 et15, 215/40/R18
Fenders Rolled: Front (no need rear)
Fenders Pulled: No
Camber: None/standard
Suspension: JOM
Notes:
Front scrubs guard liners.
Rear has a little scrub on the inner guards on big bumps.

http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/

http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/

http://www.vwwatercooled.org.au/forums/f14/official-mk4-wheel-thread-43688-3.html#post848719

dylan8

06-09-2012, 10:43 AM

Car: VW Golf MK4 GTI
Wheels: BBS RS
Front: 17x8.5 et33, adapters 15mm final et18, 205/40/R17
Rear: 18x9.5 et44, adapters 20mm final et24 215/45/R17
Fenders Rolled: No
Fenders Pulled: No
Camber: None/standard
Suspension: JOM perches out in rear
Notes: needs to be lowerrrrrrr

http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2012/08/edited-1.jpg
http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2012/08/edit1eee0-1.jpg
http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2012/08/IMG_8149-1.jpg

http://www.vwwatercooled.org.au/forums/f14/official-mk4-wheel-thread-43688-3.html#post850886

dylan8

06-09-2012, 10:44 AM

Thought this might be interesting to post up here.
Car: VW Bora V6 4motion
Wheels: BBS Impul
Front: 17x9 et28, (after 10mm spacer), 205/45/R17
Fenders Rolled: Slightly
Fenders Pulled: No
Camber: None/standard
Suspension: Ta Technix, helper springs removed
Notes: Only the front so far. Rear will be 17x11
http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2012/08/IMG_0830-1.jpg

http://www.vwwatercooled.org.au/forums/f14/official-mk4-wheel-thread-43688-4.html#post851001

dylan8

06-09-2012, 10:45 AM

Car: VW Bora V6 4motion
Wheels: O.Z Racing SuperTurismo GTs
Front: 18x8 et35 225/40/18
Rear: 18x8 et35 225/40/18
Fenders Rolled: No
Fenders Pulled: No
Camber: None/standard
Suspension: Weitec Hicon GTs

http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2012/08/P1000995-1.jpg

Forgive the old photo! Car is a tad lower now and has a few other mods :cookie:

http://www.vwwatercooled.org.au/forums/f14/official-mk4-wheel-thread-43688-4.html#post851357

dylan8

06-09-2012, 10:48 AM

OEM Bravo (Bora Sport)
Size: 17x7.5" et 35?
PCD: 5x100mm
Offset: 38mm
Weight: 10.2Kg

http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2010/04/IMG_6629-1.jpg
http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2009/10/frontsmall-1.jpg

http://www.vwwatercooled.org.au/forums/f14/official-mk4-wheel-thread-43688.html#post493998

dylan8

06-09-2012, 10:49 AM

Halo Zuka
Size: 18x7.5
Offset: 45mm

will be changing wheels to a set with 30mm offset so the front can go lower
http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2010/04/zuka_hyperblack-1.jpg
http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2010/04/23022010721-1.jpg

Note: If I recall front rubbed on strut due to the amount of lowing, tyre size and offset

http://www.vwwatercooled.org.au/forums/f14/official-mk4-wheel-thread-43688.html#post494003

dylan8

06-09-2012, 10:50 AM

Car: VW Golf FWD
Wheels: BBS RC
Front: 18x8 et32 225/40/18
Rear: 18x8 et32 225/40/18
Fenders Rolled: No
Fenders Pulled: No
Camber: None/standard
Suspension:

http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2012/09/installed-3.jpg
http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2012/09/leftrear2-3.jpg
http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2011/06/flush-1.jpg

Official Mk4 Wheel Thread (http://www.vwwatercooled.org.au/forums/f14/official-mk4-wheel-thread-43688.html#post494076)

dylan8

06-09-2012, 10:53 AM

http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2008/05/mycar-1.jpg

http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2010/04/99gti-1.jpg

BBS LM's
Front: 19x8.5
Rear 19x10

At a guess as I purchased these wheels after:
I believe still the 215/35 and 245/35 in this picture.
8.5et55+25 adapter, 10et52+20 adapter

http://www.vwwatercooled.org.au/forums/f14/official-mk4-wheel-thread-43688.html#post494911

dylan8

06-09-2012, 10:55 AM

Raderwerks 18x8 front
18x9 rear
http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/

http://www.vwwatercooled.org.au/forums/f14/official-mk4-wheel-thread-43688.html#post497302

dylan8

06-09-2012, 10:56 AM

Hmmm... just realised I don't have any pics of the car since lowering it nearly 2 years ago!
Better get some more...

BBS CH 18x8.5

http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/

http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/

http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/

Note: if genuine BBS CH I think et35?

http://www.vwwatercooled.org.au/forums/f14/official-mk4-wheel-thread-43688.html#post497477

dylan8

06-09-2012, 10:58 AM

DPE 19x8 on front, 19x10 on rear.

http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/

http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/

http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2012/09/792865353_nEviBXL-3.jpg

Note: 265 wide rubber on the rear, either 225 or 235 front.

http://www.vwwatercooled.org.au/forums/f14/official-mk4-wheel-thread-43688-2.html#post497505

dylan8

06-09-2012, 11:00 AM

17x7.5" tt wheels
http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/

et32

http://www.vwwatercooled.org.au/forums/f14/official-mk4-wheel-thread-43688-2.html#post497505

dylan8

06-09-2012, 11:01 AM

hr racing 162's 18x8 all around
http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/

http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/

http://www.vwwatercooled.org.au/forums/f14/official-mk4-wheel-thread-43688-2.html#post497505

dylan8

06-09-2012, 11:24 AM

Car: FWD
Front: 18x8 et24 205/40/18 Yokohama S Drives.
Rear: 18x8 et19 205/40/18 Yokohama S Drives.
Arch height to ground Front: ?
Arch height to ground Rear: ?
Fenders Rolled: ?
Fenders Pulled: No
Camber: Standard

http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/

http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/

Stolen from for sale thread

dylan8

06-09-2012, 11:26 AM

Car: FWD
Front: 17x8 et43 + 25/26mm adapter 195/45/17 Yokohama S Drives.
Rear: 17x9 et40 + 25/26mm adapters 205/45/17 Yokohama S Drives.
Arch height to ground Front: ?
Arch height to ground Rear: ?
Fenders Rolled: ?
Fenders Pulled: No
Camber: Standard

http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2011/07/rk4hgx-1.jpg

http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2011/07/5yvrzl-1.jpg

http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2011/07/2l9o39t-1.jpg

http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2011/07/15dtmky-1.jpg

http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2011/07/nx6jwl-1.jpg

Stolen from for sale thread

kapowww

10-09-2012, 11:53 AM

Good work Dylan.. Only thing is do people read the stickies?

dylan8

11-09-2012, 08:22 AM

Good work Dylan.. Only thing is do people read the stickies?

Cheers. Got to get around to doing the rest of them.

Not sure... Hopefully its easier to find when directing people to it though...

trickysimon

25-09-2012, 07:41 PM

Car: Bora V6 4Motion
Front: 18x7.5 et28 (after 10mm spacer) 225/40/18
Rear: 18x7.5 et18 (after 20mm spacer) 235/40/18
Arch height to ground Front: 23.6"
Arch height to ground Rear: 24.8"
Fenders Rolled: Light rolling in the front
Fenders Pulled: No
Camber: Front No / 1deg extra in rear
http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2012/09/IMG_0818-2.jpg
http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2012/09/DSC_0403-1.jpg

dylan8

25-09-2012, 11:39 PM

Keep them coming guys and girls.

Learnt something new over the w.e
there is a difference in drive shafts between models. trickysimon's 4mo bora has smaller dia and solid drive shafts, where as mine has hollow and larger diameter driveshafts, this means he has more room to lower the car before having issues with it coming in contact with the chassis. This could explain why some cars manage to get a 50mm drop on a stock sway bar, where as others struggle even at 30mm... Ill do some more research and add this to the first few pages

trickysimon

25-09-2012, 11:55 PM

Sounds like you are looking for excuses for me being lower than you are :P

dylan8

26-09-2012, 07:53 AM

Sounds like you are looking for excuses for me being lower than you are :P

Maybe :P
Sometimes, I wish I was the iLLest lol.

I also wonder if there is a difference in track width between the 4mo and fwd cars

clifforddd

26-09-2012, 09:28 AM

http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2012/09/IMG_0818-2.jpg

loving the white on white!

trickysimon

26-09-2012, 07:02 PM

loving the white on white!

Thanks mate, happy with how they turned out!

eri_12

02-10-2012, 09:18 AM

Car: FWD
Front: 18x8 et35 225/40/18
Rear: 18x8 et35 +25mm spacers 225/40/18
Arch height front: 625mm
Arch height rear: 640mm

Height of car (this is without rear spacers)http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2012/10/976444-1.jpg

With 25mm spacers on rear (I think the front may need attention)http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2012/10/976446-1.jpg
http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2012/10/976445-1.jpg

dylan8

15-10-2012, 07:51 AM

Car: AWD
Front: 18x8.5 et30 225/40/18?
Rear: 18x8.5 et30 225/40/18?
Arch height to ground Front: ??
Arch height to ground Rear: ??
Fenders Rolled: ??
Fenders Pulled: ??
Camber: stock?

http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2011/06/vwnats04-1.jpg

http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2011/06/vwnats03-1.jpg

http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2011/06/vwnats02-1.jpg

http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2011/06/vw_nats01-1.jpg

http://www.vwwatercooled.org.au/forums/f35/my-r32-20178-7.html#post673003

dylan8

15-10-2012, 08:11 AM

Car: AWD
Front: 19x8 et37
Rear: 19x9 et37
Arch height to ground Front: ??
Arch height to ground Rear: ??
Fenders Rolled: ??
Fenders Pulled: ??
Camber: stock?

http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2012/01/6a465545ecbcf00e-1.jpg

http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2012/01/6a465545eced1e57-1.jpg

http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2012/01/6a465545ed051afc-1.jpg

http://www.vwwatercooled.org.au/forums/f98/justins-mkiv-r32-golf-64528-2.html

trickysimon

17-11-2012, 10:33 PM

Car: Bora V6 4Motion
Front: 19x9 et33 (after 15mm adapter) 225/35/19
Rear: 19x10 et33 (after 20mm adapter) 235/35/19
Arch height to ground Front: 23.6"
Arch height to ground Rear: 24.8"
Fenders Rolled: Front only
Fenders Pulled: No
Camber: Front No / 1deg extra in rear

Clearance to front coilover:
http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2012/11/IMG_1074-2.jpg
Clearance to rear shock:
http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2012/11/IMG_1071-2.jpg
http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2012/11/IMG_1275-1.jpg
http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2012/11/IMG_1283-2.jpg
http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2012/11/IMG_1281-2.jpg
http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2012/11/IMG_1279-2.jpg

dylan8

18-11-2012, 01:56 PM

so good ^^ did you mean to include the extra bit about camber though? or just got too excited about it all haha

Simon and I have been doing a bit of research in to track differences.
according to the written specs of the 2lt and 4mo, there is no difference in front track, but the rear of the 4mo is 16mm narrower then the 2lt. (think it was 16mm over all???)
The rear seems to make sense after comparing our cars, but in real life visually it looks that the 4mo has a wider front track then the 2lt.
So will do more research and add to the first page as this can make a huge difference.

trickysimon

18-11-2012, 02:53 PM

Yeh, meant to be there. The front is just stock camber where as the rear has -1 degree camber.

dylan8

19-11-2012, 11:16 AM

Car: Golf FWD
Wheel: koya drift teks
Front: 18x8.5et30 225/40/18?
Rear: 18x8.5et30 225/40/18?
Arch height to ground Front: ???
Arch height to ground Rear: ???
Fenders Rolled: No?
Fenders Pulled: No
Camber: Standard?
http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2012/11/20121111_124540-1.jpg
http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2012/11/20121111_124622-1.jpg

http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/f35/litos-mk4-gti-74644-6.html#post880870

dylan8

22-11-2012, 01:37 PM

Car: Bora 2lt FWD
Front: 17x9 et20 (after 15mm adapter) 205/45/17
Rear: 17x9.5 et19 (after 20mm adapter) 215/45/17
Arch height to ground Front: 23.5"
Arch height to ground Rear: 24.25"
Fenders Rolled: Front only
Fenders Pulled: No
Camber: Front No / 1deg extra in rear (2.5deg in total)
Comments: Less (none!!!) rubbing then the teledials due to more space on inside of wheel.
want it a good .5" lower all round, but need to notch the front drivers side or get a smaller driveshaft first. Drivers side only has 5-7mm between the shaft and chassis, and Id say 3mm of that is because of self notch

more pics soon

http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/
http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2012/11/IMAG0415-1.jpg
http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2012/11/IMAG0414-1.jpg
http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2012/11/IMAG0413-1.jpg

dylan8

29-11-2012, 09:44 PM

Car: Bora 2lt FWD
Front: 16x6.5et43 205/55/16
Rear: 16x6.5et43 205/55/16
Arch height to ground Front: unknown subframe and engine cover jsut cleared 100mm from the ground in the first photos
Arch height to ground Rear: unknown
Fenders Rolled: no
Fenders Pulled: No
Camber: No
Comments: Clearing a defect, excuse the random toccata on the drivers rear...

http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2011/03/P2280314-1.jpg
http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2011/03/P2280307-1.jpg
http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2011/03/P2280306-1.jpg

in later photos lowered more.
http://sphotos-h.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/64859_10150581037155965_1368118316_n.jpg
http://sphotos-g.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/387570_10150483714755965_722382063_n.jpg

More pics later on, subframe approx 60mm off the deck on flat ground. passenger side coilover adjuster clears the tyre by 1-2mm so no more lows possible without smaller tyres or better offsets
http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2012/11/IMAG0548-1.jpg
http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2012/11/IMAG0541-1.jpg
http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2012/11/IMAG0543-1.jpg
http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2012/11/IMAG0545-1.jpg
http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2012/11/IMAG0546-1.jpg

dylan8

29-11-2012, 09:47 PM

Any one else have some decent pics at stock height or lowered on stock wheels?

curtis715

30-11-2012, 03:35 PM

Any one else have some decent pics at stock height or lowered on stock wheels?

I'll get some over the weekend

theOctopus

13-12-2012, 01:13 PM

Finally here are the Supernovas I got from Dylan a while ago still need more more but they are on there way.

Car: FWD
Rims: Supernovas 5x114.3
Front: 17x8 et25 with 20mm adapter GT Radial 215/45/17
Rear: 17x9 et27 with 15mm adapter Hankook 225/45/17
Arch height front: 614mm
Arch height rear: 617mm

http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2012/12/1355309002409-1.jpg

Front:
http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2012/12/1355309462415-1.jpg
http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2012/12/1355309252265-1.jpg

Rear:
http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2012/12/1355309378943-1.jpg

trickysimon

13-12-2012, 01:52 PM

Looks awesome! ^

dylan8

17-12-2012, 08:35 PM

Looking good!
Hope your happy with the fitment.
Would love to see white colour coded centres, polish the lips and bolts :P

Swainey32

03-01-2013, 05:18 PM

Car: FWD
Rims: Denvers 5x112
Front: 17x7.5 et51 with 25mm adaptec hub centric adapters
Rear: 17x7.5 et51 with 30mm adaptec hub centric adapters
Stock ride height (for now...)

http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2013/01/__zps56b42a87-1.jpg
http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2013/01/_7_zpse734a9f5-1.jpghttp://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2013/01/_8_zpsf4bd3bbc-1.jpg

dylan8

03-01-2013, 10:01 PM

Fill out the template as others have done dude, otherwise its a bit pointless for the purpose of this thread.
Spot some Adaptec adapters :p

Swainey32

05-01-2013, 09:46 AM

Fill out the template as others have done dude, otherwise its a bit pointless for the purpose of this thread.
Spot some Adaptec adapters :p

Done and done, yes thanks for the recommendation, very easy set up and the 25/30mm combo works great :)
I couldnt find specifics for torque ratings for the adapter so i torque'd them to 120Nm (90 ft lb), that sounds right???

dylan8

05-01-2013, 10:18 AM

Swainey32

05-01-2013, 11:09 AM

Awesome. Do you mind throwing a tap on the ground to arch distance before you lower, just for refrence.
Also I thought those were 7.5s? And rubber size? Sorry just want to get it all down.

Ummm I forget the torque settings. I need to check that out, I just go by what feels ok... Whoops

Yeah no stress mate, will edit post with some more comprehensive details when I'm home and free next :) and your correct, 7.5 haha, cheers

kapowww

11-01-2013, 11:05 PM

Car: VW Bora V6 4motion
Wheels: Audi TT (8J)
Front: 17x8.5 et25 (after 25mm adapter) 225/45/17
Rear: 17x8.5 et20 (after 30mm adapter) 225/45/17
Fenders Rolled: Yes
Fenders Pulled: Rears only
Camber: Natural 4motion rear camber
Suspension: KW V1 with rear perches and adjusters removed
Notes: I reckon 18" is the perfect size for Mk4s, but the extra inch of rubber on 17" is the best compromise for my daily baby-mobile. Would also love a bit of rake...

http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2013/01/1969B6ABDAC9461AB5EC738A8DA16E1C29980000-1.jpg

http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2013/01/24A81F7F5C324C25AC0CF0C079D858DB38300000-1.jpg

http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2013/01/1144ECFC569742A592D3AC9C8965568D29980000-1.jpg
Will get better pics..

dylan8

12-01-2013, 09:14 PM

sick dude.
so OEM+
Good to see you get them on quick after such a long wait!

kapowww

14-01-2013, 05:32 PM

Thanks bro! Yeah old tyres were gone so had to replace them. I'm actually happy with how these turned out.

perroskkivr6

27-01-2013, 05:26 PM

dylan8

28-01-2013, 07:49 AM

Does anyone know a link where i can find a formula to get the rigth adapter size. I see here all final offsets but how do i know what size adapter to use. I drive a mk4 vr6 jetta. Original wheels are 15x7 35mm offset and am getting some17x8 with 52 offset. I need to find out how to calculate for adapters thickness. Thanks in advance for any help.
Use the offset calculator to work out how you want the new wheels to sit (eg 8et35) then work out the wheels orginal offset (52) minus your proposed one (35), 52-35 = 17mm adapter

perroskkivr6

02-02-2013, 12:11 PM

Use the offset calculator to work out how you want the new wheels to sit (eg 8et35) then work out the wheels orginal offset (52) minus your proposed one (35), 52-35 = 17mm adapter

Only one doubt. About the diference of width of wheel....original is 7 inch new ones 8 inch....do i have to add that one inch of difference to the 17mm?

dylan8

02-02-2013, 01:18 PM

http://www.1010tires.com/WhelOffsetCalculator.asp

Use that, ignoring the fact u are using the adapters, adjust the new wheel offset to suit the final position you want.
Then as the post above minus the wheels desired offset from its actual specs and that will give you the adapter width.

On a stock height or slightly lowered mk4 I'd suggest a final spec of 8et30 or 8et35f and 8et25 or 30r.
So your going to want 17 or 22mm for the front, and 22 or 27mm rear.

wisher

17-02-2013, 09:47 PM

Hi Guys,

I'm tossing up between two sets of wheels to suit a set of 235/40/18 tires I've been given.

1st set:
18x8 5x100 30mm offset front
18x9 5x100 30mm offset rear

2nd set:
18x8 5x100 35mm offset all round

Will be going on a Bora 4-motion, running stock suspension, I'm looking at upgrading to coilovers pretty soon.

Just wondering if either of these combos work with the tires i have?

trickysimon

18-02-2013, 09:42 AM

wisher

18-02-2013, 05:16 PM

Both should work, obviously depending on how low you plan on going.

Ok great, will the 18x8 still work if there 40et?. Im not planning on super low as its a daily driver, i was looking at a set of FK AK's or similar until i can afford something better.

dylan8

21-02-2013, 07:27 AM

Ok great, will the 18x8 still work if there 40et?. Im not planning on super low as its a daily driver, i was looking at a set of FK AK's or similar until i can afford something better.

with 225/40s at stock height will be fine.
lowered might be close to the strut depending on how low. if you can stick to the 8et35 you listed earlier id be doing that

trickysimon

21-02-2013, 08:02 AM

Car: Bora V6 4Motion
Front: 18x8.5 ET35 235/40/18 Bridgestone RE002
Rear: 18x9.5 ET40 265/35/18 Bridgestone RE002
Arch height to ground Front: 24.2"
Arch height to ground Rear: 24.8" (Will have to be raised. Rubs a fair bit on the inner guard.)
Fenders Rolled: Front only
Fenders Pulled: No
Camber: Front No / 1deg extra in rear

http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2013/02/null_zps3af74ad3-3.jpg
http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2013/02/null_zps4a1f07f5-3.jpg
http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2013/02/null_zps3b7fe284-2.jpg

Cam Farey

27-02-2013, 08:04 PM

Car: Golf R32
Wheels: BBS LM's
Front: 18x8 et25 215/40/18 Bridgestone RE050A
Rear: 18x9 et25 225/40/18 Bridgestone RE002
Arch hight to ground Front: to come
Arch hight to ground Rear: to come
Fender Rolled: front only
Fender Pulled: none
Camber: none

http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2013/02/IMG_3226-2.jpg

http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2013/02/IMG_3227-2.jpg

http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2013/02/IMG_3231-2.jpg

trickysimon

28-02-2013, 10:19 AM

http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2013/02/D188D191D0BBD0B1D18BD182D18BD0BED182D181-2.jpg

dylan8

11-03-2013, 04:35 PM

Car: Bora FWD 2lt
Front: 18x8 ET24 215/35/18 Nankang NS20
Rear: 18x9 ET31 225/35/18 Nankang NS20
Arch height to ground Front: 22"
Arch height to ground Rear: 22"
Fenders Rolled: Front only
Fenders Pulled: No
Camber: Front No / 1deg extra in rear

front is sunken a little so when the car is raised up the tread sits inside the guard still.
Currently stuck on the driveshaft on the drivers side and control arm/subframe joint on the passenger so thats why it sat so high/wonky in the front.
tyres are super undersized and would avoid on most mk4s due to load rating and speedo being way out.
ill get some better pics later.

http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2013/03/c6Th4yw-1.jpg
http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2013/03/CoYtgas-1.jpg
http://sphotos-f.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/c108.0.403.403/p403x403/482797_10151470990982920_1005896640_n.jpg
http://sphotos-e.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/549888_10151409303552054_1351671966_n.jpg
http://sphotos-h.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/601159_150532701775810_438078626_n.jpg
http://sphotos-a.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-frc1/892117_150532548442492_2058748714_o.jpg

trickysimon

11-03-2013, 08:33 PM

^^ Easily my favourite of your wheels so far!

dylan8

11-03-2013, 09:23 PM

^^ Easily my favourite of your wheels so far!

Cheers!
While I like them and they achieved the 'bling' look I was after while being fitted/fat/real. I feel they also give the 20" chromie vibe from some angles... which freaks me out. I seem to be the only one that sees it though?
Might continue to confuse the hell out of people for a while while im doing the rest of the work to the car, then move on in a month or so.

dylan8

12-05-2013, 09:49 PM

Car: VW Bora 2lt FWD
Wheels: Custom Teledials
Front: 18x8.5 et25 (after 25mm adapter) 215/40/18 Continental DWS
Rear: 18x9 et30 (after 15mm adapter) 225/40/18 Pirelli Pzero (had continental DWS last time)
Arch height to ground Front: ~23"
Arch height to ground Rear: ~23"
Fenders Rolled: Fronts Only
Fenders Pulled: No
Camber: Rear has additional 1deg each side (approx 2.5deg each side total)

you have seen the wheels, but a few things have changed.
More lows, different adapter in the front, different brand rubber in the back
Sills are level (which I hate, but until I can get the front lower ill continue to confuse people with just the rear when the car is left aired out in public :cookie:

Front:
http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2013/05/IMAG1070_zps90909543-1.jpg (http://s660.photobucket.com/user/dylanbodyboarder88/media/IMAG1070_zps90909543.jpg.html)
http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2013/05/IMAG1069_zps69b79a8d-1.jpg (http://s660.photobucket.com/user/dylanbodyboarder88/media/IMAG1069_zps69b79a8d.jpg.html)
Rear:
http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2013/05/IMAG1067_zpscf2e8e19-1.jpg (http://s660.photobucket.com/user/dylanbodyboarder88/media/IMAG1067_zpscf2e8e19.jpg.html)
http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2013/05/IMAG1066_zpsa1948663-1.jpg (http://s660.photobucket.com/user/dylanbodyboarder88/media/IMAG1066_zpsa1948663.jpg.html)
[IMG]http://i660.photobucket.com/albums/uu328/dylanbodyboarder88/IMAG1065_zps9c6d3213.jpg (http://s660.photobucket.com/user/dylanbodyboarder88/media/IMAG1065_zps9c6d3213.jpg.html)

http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/
http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/

thestu

23-06-2013, 09:38 PM

Hey mk4 fags.

Here is how its done :P

Car: Bora AWD VR6
Front: 19x9 ET23 225/35/19 Archilies
Rear: 19x10 ET10 235/35/19 Archilies
Arch height to ground Front: Dunno
Arch height to ground Rear:
Fenders Rolled: Front only, Rolled flat
Fenders Pulled: No
Camber: Front No / Rear natural
static: billstein PSS's, no perches and polo strut top mounts.

https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/1039751_10151746051022642_1381741433_o.jpghttps://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/964802_351514494951539_1145826366_o.jpg
https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/966948_10151721893417642_174537227_o.jpg
https://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/977230_10151721893862642_321157942_o.jpg

thestu

23-06-2013, 09:55 PM

Previous setup

Car: Bora AWD VR6
Front: 18x8.5 ET21 215/40/18 NS20's
Rear: 18x8.5 ET15 215/40/18 NS20's
Arch height to ground Front: Dunno
Arch height to ground Rear:
Fenders Rolled: Front only, Rolled flat
Fenders Pulled: No
Camber: Front No / Rear natural
Static: Billstein PSS's and no perches.

https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc1/374628_4276266039906_694731660_n.jpg
https://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/892633_10151647122862642_136975688_o.jpg

Can't find any rear shots

SLAJ

25-06-2013, 12:18 AM

Car: VW Golf MK4 GTI
Wheels: Rota G-force
Front: 18x9 et20 (after 15mm spacer), 225/40/18
Rear: 18x9 et20 (after 15mm spacer), 215/40/18
Fenders Rolled: yes (all four)
Fenders Pulled: 2mm in rear
Camber: Front -1.5 / Rear standard
Suspension: Fk Ak street's with Ground Control camber plates in front
Notes: -Lots of rear Toe-in which i need to get fixed
-Want to notch frame and remove rear perches soon to go a little lower all round
-Planning on new wheels (hopefully soon)

http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2013/06/vmMEDwm-1.jpg
http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2013/06/QTtjmph-1.jpg
http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2013/06/IEubSRG-1.jpg

dylan8

25-06-2013, 10:12 AM

How to you find the ground control tops Slaj?

SLAJ

25-06-2013, 03:58 PM

How to you find the ground control tops Slaj?

It's hard to tell at the moment because some of my other suspension components need a replacement, but when I first installed them I remember it was a harsher ride than stock. I think they'll feel awesome once I do a suspension refresh. They also lowered the front a fair bit too which was good

dylan8

25-06-2013, 04:36 PM

It's hard to tell at the moment because some of my other suspension components need a replacement, but when I first installed them I remember it was a harsher ride than stock. I think they'll feel awesome once I do a suspension refresh. They also lowered the front a fair bit too which was good

Have to go for a ride/look when I see you next

SLAJ

25-06-2013, 04:39 PM

Have to go for a ride/look when I see you next

Deal man, you might be able to tell me what needs replacing too

Neroo

25-06-2013, 08:21 PM

Car: VW Bora v6 4-Motion
Wheels: Borbet Type A
Front: 17x7.5 et30 215/45/17
Rear: 17x7.5 et14 (after 16mm spacer), 215/45/17
Fenders Rolled: yes (all four)
Fenders Pulled: nahh
Camber: Front :Standard , Rear : standard crazy 4 mo camber
Suspension: Fk Ak street's
Notes: Sack it , cool wheels .. what could possibly go wrong ?

http://sphotos-c.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/944525_114629382080188_1552632222_n.jpg
http://sphotos-g.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/999893_123970467812746_1987680884_n.jpg
http://sphotos-e.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-frc3/970495_118247841718342_1029498437_n.jpg
http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/

and i do mean sack it
http://sphotos-d.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/969662_352206691548986_1724147220_n.jpg

SLAJ

25-06-2013, 09:25 PM

The Bora's are freakin killing it. I feel like I'm on Vwvortex

Neroo

25-06-2013, 10:13 PM

The Bora's are freakin killing it. I feel like I'm on Vwvortex

You love it ;)

dylan8

25-06-2013, 10:44 PM

List got so big I had to make it in to two posts! woooo keep them coming guys!

Iv noticed the "what wheels for my mkiv" threads have near stopped, so must be working.

Does any one have the wheel and tyre size for the 14" and space saver? off the placard would be ideal so no mistakes

madglf3

26-06-2013, 06:35 PM

Car: VW Golf 2lt FWD

Wheels: 3-piece Sforzo Mesh (Riverside stamped on the back side of the wheel centre, manufactured 1996 and first used 2010).
Front: 17x8 et32 with Falken 215/45/17
Rear: 17x8 et32 with Falken 215/45/17
http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2013/06/6143406245_a303c2de0b_b-1.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/matthew_dart/6143406245/)
What's in the box? (http://www.flickr.com/photos/matthew_dart/6143406245/) by Matthew Dart (http://www.flickr.com/people/matthew_dart/), on Flickr

Fenders Rolled: No - not needed with this setup at this height

Fenders Pulled: No - not needed with this setup at this height

Camber: No additional camber

Suspension: FK Sport Plus Coilovers with helpers in place, Replaced factory strut tops in the front at time of install. Whiteline adjustable rear sway bar set on medium. Lowered moderately. Stu and Mitch keep telling me to 'Lower it' :cool: .

Notes: This setup isn't too extreme in terms of width, diameter and offset. The combination of the coils, rear swaybar and only very slight stretch on the tyres made the car a reliable, well-handling and comfy daily driver - covering around 600km weekly when I lived in QLD.

Photos:
http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2013/06/5200957699_afd49578ed_b-1.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/matthew_dart/5200957699/)
IMG_1752 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/matthew_dart/5200957699/) by Matthew Dart (http://www.flickr.com/people/matthew_dart/), on Flickr

http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2013/06/5201574362_8cb247a8d2_b-1.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/matthew_dart/5201574362/)
IMG_1751 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/matthew_dart/5201574362/) by Matthew Dart (http://www.flickr.com/people/matthew_dart/), on Flickr

http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2013/06/8899367143_a7335e06b2_b-1.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/96179130@N03/8899367143/)
DART (http://www.flickr.com/photos/96179130@N03/8899367143/) by HOTWTR (http://www.flickr.com/people/96179130@N03/), on Flickr

Craig S

11-07-2013, 08:59 PM

dylan8

11-07-2013, 09:21 PM

Hi,

Hope I'm posting in the right spot.

Got a 2002 Bora V6 4Motion and want to put some new shoes on it.

I'm thinking of a set of BBS CK in 18x8 with an ET of 35. Just want to confirm that they'll fit without problems.

With the right tyres rolling circumference change will be negligible, which I think should leave my lowering options open.

Am I on the right track?

Thanks
Craig

Yep, exactly what I started thread for.
Sounds pretty good Craig.

If I recall from your first post you were looking at doing lowering springs?
18x8et35 will work fine at stock height and a bit of a drop.
225/40 is your best bet for tyres.
can also look at 235/40s. these are a bit bigger then OEM rolling diameter, but can be had a bit cheaper some times due to being common on falcons and commodores.

I'm sure there should be some 8et35 wheels listed in the opening page if you want to have some idea oh how they will sit.

Craig S

11-07-2013, 09:37 PM

If I recall from your first post you were looking at doing lowering springs?
18x8et35 will work fine at stock height and a bit of a drop.

Thanks Dylan,

Yep, looking at some springs from an S3, which I'm told should do the job. Not sure how much lower it'll drop it, but I can always swap it back.

dylan8

11-07-2013, 09:52 PM

I cant remember if the S3 springs are lower, or if its only the R32 ones.
Keen to see results though

waddz

08-08-2013, 01:20 PM

dylan8

08-08-2013, 01:46 PM

opinions on running Corvette C5 rims ?? With the front being a 17 inch and rear 18 ?? Just wondering whether diameter would be a problem, also differing weight of wheels?

Spec would look something like:
17 x 8.5 205/45 Front
18x9.5 225/40

Yes to corvette wheels
Doing double staggered is all about the tyre sizes. Its a tricky combo of what works, and what looks right.
Check out bflats polo on the modenas for inspiration, wheel and tyre sizes not applicable for mk4, but shows it can be done

Neroo

24-08-2013, 08:00 PM

Car: VW Bora v6
Wheels: Rays Engineering / Volk Racing Group C
Front: 17x9 et37( after 16mm spacer) 225/45r17
Rear: 17x9 et38(after 15mm spacer ) 235/45r17
Fenders Rolled: front yes
Fenders Pulled: nope
Camber: standard crazy bora 4-mo camber :(
Suspension: Fk Ak street's
not good fitment or anything but thought id post it up :)

http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/
http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/
http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/

dylan8

24-08-2013, 08:28 PM

...
not good fitment or anything but thought id post it up :)

I liked it! This thread is all about what does and doesn't work on a mkiv, doesn't have to be 'fitted' or 'slammed'. The more combinations and variations we can save the better.

Samuel

03-10-2013, 12:17 PM

Dylan! do you know what stud offset are 17" porsche cup wheels?

thestu

03-10-2013, 12:57 PM

About 60

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dylan8

03-10-2013, 02:48 PM

Dylan! do you know what stud offset are 17" porsche cup wheels?

Stud Pattern or offset?
Stud pattern is 5x130, offset could be anything from 15 to 60, depends on the wheels and what car they came off

dylan8

20-10-2013, 10:41 PM

Car: FWD
Front: 17x8.5et23 205/45
Rear: 17x8.5et18 205/45
Arch height to ground Front: TBC
Arch height to ground Rear: TBC
Fenders Rolled: Yes
Fenders Pulled: No
Camber: ~1deg extra rear, front has 1 deg extra pulled from the bottom (makes offset more agressive)
5945
5946

Offset measurements were taken after a few beers, so ill also confirm that when they are off the car

waddz

21-10-2013, 08:52 AM

haha madness :P

SLAJ

23-10-2013, 09:26 PM

Car: 2000 GTI
Wheels: BMW X5
Front: 19x9 et23 (after 25mm adapter) 225/35/19
Rear: 19x10 et25 (after 20mm adapter) 235/35/19
Fenders Rolled: yes (all four)
Fenders Pulled: 2mm in rear
Camber: Front -1 / Rear is standard
Suspension: Fk Ak street's with helper springs removed and Ground Control camber plates in front.
Notes: Car was lower but had to be raised 5-10mm all round due to rubbing and grinding all over the place.
http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2013/10/351718c91311a6dbd9c9f5eca572d199-1.jpg
http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2013/10/ebesuhu8-1.jpg
http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2013/10/58b6b348217d32ac138c6e350da7ea93-1.jpg
6019

eri_12

23-10-2013, 09:43 PM

^that looks so good

dylan8

27-10-2013, 12:32 PM

added SLAJ, looked awesome!!! grab an arch to ground next time you're on a flat surface

been getting a heap of PMs again lately regard specs, so please list up your specs here to help out others to save me repeating myself over and over :P

dylan8

10-11-2013, 09:07 PM

Iv already posted these wheels, but bit of an update due to front end changes. put changes in bold

Car: Bora FWD 2lt
Front: 18x8 ET19 215/35/18 Nankang NS20
Rear: 18x9 ET31 225/35/18 Nankang NS20
Arch height to ground Front: 22" (might be lower now)
Arch height to ground Rear: 22"
Fenders Rolled: Front only
Fenders Pulled: No
Camber: Front 1deg, but due to being pulled from the bottom it makes offsets more aggressive / 1deg extra in rear

6323
6324

stotto

02-12-2013, 03:31 PM

Car: FWD
Front: 18x8.5 et35 225/40/18(3mm spacers, needed theses to clear the coilover)
Rear: 18x8.5 et35 225/40/18 (6mm spacers, for looks only)
Arch height to ground Front:630mm
Arch height to ground Rear: 635mm
Fenders Rolled: No
Fenders Pulled: No
Camber: Front No / Rear No
Suspensinon: Jom coilovers, rear has spring only (no adjusters)
Side note: Car also has rear centering plates installed and no interior, It did sit lower in the rear with interior and sound system installed (amps, subs, false floor etc)
http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2013/12/fitment3_zps00ad26cb-1.jpg
http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2013/12/fitment1_zps634b271b-1.jpg
http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2013/12/fitment2_zps9cc574d0-1.jpg

dylan8

02-12-2013, 03:41 PM

^^ ooo they actually sit pretty fat looking at it from the other angles. love it!

stotto

02-12-2013, 05:37 PM

It is a little be deceiving until you see it from that angle. The rear definitely could go a little wider teamed up with a 215/40.

SLAJ

02-12-2013, 08:15 PM

That's looking sick Stotto!

dylan8

02-12-2013, 10:22 PM

sorry guys, not sure why the 17x9 and upwards section dropped off. ill get onto it soon.

RubAVeeDubDub

08-12-2013, 11:44 AM

Wheel experts - S.O.S pls!

I wantz Miro Type111's. Looks absolutely amazing on MKIV's imho. *Drool* http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/5897/45235488389578101743598.jpg)

For 18" 5x100's, they come in 8.5" w/+35 offset, and 9.5" w/+40 offset.

I got defected for wheels sticking out past the guards, so I'm wondering if a 9.5" wheel with ET40 offset will tuck under the rear guards?

Everyone seems to use spacers - is this to clear the suspension or to poke out further? Not a fan of spacers for legality and insurance purposes.

Laura the bora 4mo is lowered so I'll probably need to do some tyre stretching.
Do like a bit of stretch but nothing too excessive - i.e. 225/40 on a 9.5" rim kind of stretch. Recommendations?

Fifteen52 can ship a set of these for $900US. Cheap as! If they fit, I'm hitting the confirm order button. Just got to decide whether I choose matt black or hyper silver. Hmm.

Pls help! Spanx!

dylan8

09-12-2013, 11:30 AM

RubAVeeDubDub

09-12-2013, 01:03 PM

depends how low, what camber settings.
the 9.5et40 should be fine though. Trickysimon has this on his 4mo bora with full size 265 rubber and it sits basically in line with the guards even though he has his suspension wound a fair way up.
a 215/40 and 225/40 or 225/40 and 235/40 combo should work nicely. legality's are out the window regardless as you are running 9.5s, so wouldn't stress if you have spacers or not.

Thanks for the reply mate!

I seen trickysimons post and the 9.5" et40s tucked nicely flush with guards with is exactly what I'm (and the horrid vicpol) is after. My car is lower than Simons and I plan to drop it more than it is currently (looks mint when these wheels tuck under). I'm wondering if there is a chance these wheels could smash against the suspension?

I'll probably end up doing a 235/40 and 225/45 combo to keep the rolling diameter the same. Still a decent amount of stretch though. Might look at maybe 245mm wide tyre. 265mm would be the safest but I'm not sold on tyre stretching being as bad as everyone suggests.

I did forget that im only legally allowed in Vic to get 1" wider wheels than the biggest one fitted to the Boras. From memory the 17s were 7.5" wide so 8.5" would legally be the widest I could go. I'm more concerned about safety of spacers than anything. Plenty of horror stories and the idea of moving the centre of mass on the bearing & diff doesn't enthrall me either.

Anyway, thanks for the help. Probably will go ahead and order the pretty Miro 111s and wait another 30 days before I can sell of my keskin kt4s here on vww.

If I wanted 8.5s to push out to the edge of the guards, what kind of offset would they need to have et45 -et50 ?

dylan8

09-12-2013, 01:59 PM

Thanks for the reply mate!

I seen trickysimons post and the 9.5" et40s tucked nicely flush with guards with is exactly what I'm (and the horrid vicpol) is after. My car is lower than Simons and I plan to drop it more than it is currently (looks mint when these wheels tuck under). I'm wondering if there is a chance these wheels could smash against the suspension?

they hit on his external V3 damping canister from memory, but most coils dont have these.

I'll probably end up doing a 235/40 and 225/45 combo to keep the rolling diameter the same. Still a decent amount of stretch though. Might look at maybe 245mm wide tyre. 265mm would be the safest but I'm not sold on tyre stretching being as bad as everyone suggests.

dont go a 225/45/18, miles to big.
the 225/40 and 235/40 combo should be close to same rolling diameters on the staggered width wheels.
from memory a 235/40 on a 9.5 in most brands wont even be regarded as stretch if it meets their max width requirements.

I did forget that im only legally allowed in Vic to get 1" wider wheels than the biggest one fitted to the Boras. From memory the 17s were 7.5" wide so 8.5" would legally be the widest I could go. I'm more concerned about safety of spacers than anything. Plenty of horror stories and the idea of moving the centre of mass on the bearing & diff doesn't enthrall me either.

spacers have a bad name purely from people using them incorrectly.
adding a 5mm spacer is no different from getting the wheels as a et35 instead of a et40. in regards to moving centre of mass etc

Anyway, thanks for the help. Probably will go ahead and order the pretty Miro 111s and wait another 30 days before I can sell of my keskin kt4s here on vww.

If I wanted 8.5s to push out to the edge of the guards, what kind of offset would they need to have et45 -et50 ?

again depends on height.
but you would want to go the other way, 8.5et25 will sit closer out towards/past the guards then say a 8.5et35, and 8.5et45 would sit further in towards your suspension

RubAVeeDubDub

09-12-2013, 10:53 PM

Thanks again mate for your help mate - you're a legend!

http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by dylan8 http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/buttons/viewpost-right.png (http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/f14/vww-official-mkiv-wheel-q-76233-12.html#post1015055)
they hit on his external V3 damping canister from memory, but most coils dont have these.

dont go a 225/45/18, miles to big.
the 225/40 and 235/40 combo should be close to same rolling diameters on the staggered width wheels.
from memory a 235/40 on a 9.5 in most brands wont even be regarded as stretch if it meets their max width requirements.

spacers have a bad name purely from people using them incorrectly.
adding a 5mm spacer is no different from getting the wheels as a et35 instead of a et40. in regards to moving centre of mass etc

again depends on height.
but you would want to go the other way, 8.5et25 will sit closer out towards/past the guards then say a 8.5et35, and 8.5et45 would sit further in towards your suspension

My coil looks pretty stock standard - nothing too spesh. "Tracer" branded - which are apparently made by KW. So hopefully then should be no fouling on the internal suspension components.

I was only planning to go for a 225/45 & 235/40 combo to ensure the similar rolling diameter for the front and back wheels. I'm not sure a staggered setup is best for the driveline. A few mechanics have told me to be careful. However whether I do 225/40 or 225/45, they are both 15 +/- bigger/smaller than the 235/40mm tyre.

Looking at some pics, it seems the 235/40's are a nice amount of stretch for these wheels. Hopefully its still reasonably safe.

Thanks again for your help Dylan!!

Now to order them wheels before xmas :grin: (present to myself - done!)

On a side note, being in my sort of area, have you had much trouble from the police with mildy stretched wheels ? Or have you never done "mildy stretched" ?

trickysimon

10-12-2013, 06:53 AM

Dylan is correct. They rub on my KW V3 canisters. Have spaced the shock inwards, but may even need to put 5mm-10mm spacers on the back as well.
225/40 and 235/40 would be the go for you.

dylan8

10-12-2013, 07:38 AM

Thanks again mate for your help mate - you're a legend!

My coil looks pretty stock standard - nothing too spesh. "Tracer" branded - which are apparently made by KW. So hopefully then should be no fouling on the internal suspension components.

I was only planning to go for a 225/45 & 235/40 combo to ensure the same rolling diameter for the front and back wheels. I'm not sure a staggered setup is best for the driveline. A few mechanics have told me to be careful.

I would've thought 235/40 on a 9.5" rim would be a decent stretch. I remember my Falken FK452s having an explicit warning to not stretch on a 8.5" rim, let alone a 9.5! Haven't seen the same on my Eagle F1's. Looking at some pics, it seems the 235/40's are a nice amount of stretch for these wheels.

Thanks again for your help Dylan!!
Now to order them wheels before xmas :D

nar 225/45/18 and 235/40/18 is nothing alike and would prob do damage let alone look stupid. The setup i said before will be as good as it gets unless you want to run say a 225/40/18 + 255/35/18

I had i had 452s which were good, allowed me to put a 215/35 on a 8.5", check out the new 3 series bmw, they run similar sizes from factory.

I daily drove my 8.5/9s teledials with a 215/40 and 225/40s for a long time, never had a cop comment on any part of that setup.

RubAVeeDubDub

10-12-2013, 01:43 PM

Thanks guys!

225/40 & 235/40 is a go! I think it's just the perfect amount of stretch to be on the safer side and should look subtle enough. 255/35 would practically be no stretch at all. The 225 & 235 should not set off too many alarms with the bacon. Hopefully if I get pulled up the piggy will be a decent fella and overlook it.

I've already got 2x Goodyear eagle f1s in 235/40r18s so I just need to get front 225/40s.

Miro111s here we come :D
Matt black or hyper silver?

Any last thoughts/concerns on the miro type 111 in 18x8.5 with 225/40 and 18x9.5 with 235/40 ? Speak now or forever hold your peace!

trickysimon

10-12-2013, 01:54 PM

trickysimon

10-12-2013, 01:59 PM

+ I hope you are going to be purchasing adjustable rear control arms if you haven't already.

RubAVeeDubDub

10-12-2013, 03:00 PM

9.5 et40 is very very aggressive in regards to inner clearance. You may even have rubbing on the spring seat. Nothing an angle grinder won't fix. But with a 235/40 on a 9.5, it will look a bit funny IMO. You should be aiming for a lower offset. You could get away with et30, or even et25.

Remember that my 9.5 et40 has 15mm more tyre sticking out either side. ;)

Inner clearance is my biggest concern hence why I posted questions in this thread. I have 18x9.5 Keskin kt4s with a et30 offset and a 235/40 tyre. Did like the fitament but I got defected for it. I now need something that tucks under the rolled guard. My front wheels are 18x8.5 with et25 and they are a good 1" inside the rear guard and look very average. So I either use ridiculously wide spacers or buy new rims. I choose the latter.

I've been searching for a new set for quite a while and its a struggle to find a 5x100 wheel that pushes out to the edge of the guards with the perfect offset. I seen your car with the et40s and they seem to tuck under.
The miros are deliciously concave and I think they look mint as with some stretch. For 5x100s they only come in 18x8.5 et30 and 18x9.5.

How much is a set of adjustable rear camber arms ?

dylan8

10-12-2013, 04:54 PM

http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/f14/interest-adjustable-rear-control-arms-mk4-4-motion-bora-mk4-r32-audi-tt-mk1-90483.html

RubAVeeDubDub

11-12-2013, 08:18 AM

Thanks for that Dylan. $150 is much cheaper than I thought.

9.5 et40 is very very aggressive in regards to inner clearance. You may even have rubbing on the spring seat. Nothing an angle grinder won't fix. But with a 235/40 on a 9.5, it will look a bit funny IMO. You should be aiming for a lower offset. You could get away with et30, or even et25.

Remember that my 9.5 et40 has 15mm more tyre sticking out either side. ;)

What do you mean by "aggressive fitament" ? I'm very new to "stance" and pushing wheels too/past the guards. Would aggressive mean that it would be very tight fit or the wheels/tyre could rub against the guards or the suspension?

If that's the case then I'm a little perplexed as you said your 9.5" et40 wheels rubbed against a canister on your coils (that I don't have).

Like I said before, I just want my wheels to be inside the guards with lighter tyre stretch because I don't have the time nor do I want to spend the money clearing defects.

The wheels im wanting to buy come in 18x8.5 et35 and 18x9.5 et40.
I'm really struggling to get a picture of how it'll all fit and work.

Can I make them work to suit my needs?
I test fitted my front keslin kt4 18x8.5 et30 rim to the back and it was very far from in the guard so the wheel and looked very average. If I was to fit the 18x8.5 et35 variety to the back, what thickness spacers would I need to use to push the wheel out?

Tyre wise, as much as id like too, I can't go 215mm because no 18" 215mm tyre has a high enough load rating of 91 or more (boras load rating).

Do appreciate the help - thanks.

trickysimon

11-12-2013, 12:20 PM

RubAVeeDubDub

11-12-2013, 06:49 PM

Why do you want to stretch Tyres onto wheels that will sit inside the guards?
Not trying to be rude, but if you aren't willing to use spacers, or don't fully understand offsets, I would go for a wheel that isn't so aggressive. If it doesn't hit on the suspension or inner guard, it will only be mm's away. Will need to consider spacers though.

I quite like the stretch look. Prefer it over bulging sidewalls. But at the same time, annoyingly, I don't like having too much of the rim exposed past the guard.

I do understand offsets to a degree, but not sure how they apply on the 4mos with clearance. The wheels I want (Miro Type111) only come in 18x8.5" ET35 & 18x9.5" ET40 so I assumed I'd need the 9.5" for the back due to the extra clearance. I've not found many Bora 4mos on the internet with such a setup because most seem to be about "stance" than anything else.

I'm warming to the idea of spacers,but I'd probably like something thin for safety purposes. I do track my cars so I need something that holds up to a bit of pressure. My concern is that the spacers could do damage to the diff/hub/bearing or worse if they actually fail.

This is the kind of fitament I'm looking for:
http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b28/Evans411/Audi90Bushing2-1.jpg

By the sounds of it, you're not confident that a ET40 18x9.5 will achieve this?

JustCruisn

11-12-2013, 06:56 PM

^^ wow I likes the rear but not the front.

RubAVeeDubDub

11-12-2013, 07:15 PM

^^ wow I likes the rear but not the front.

Yeah love the rear fitament! I'm planning to buy those wheels in Matt black to suit my black Bora :)

Front would be better with a small spacer and maybe a little bit higher. Could do with a wider tyre as well imho.

Does anyone know if the MKIV R32 has similar rear suspension setup to the Bora 4mo's?

This is a R32 with a 18x9.5" Miro 111 wheel and a 15mm spacer.

http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2013/12/utf8BSU1HLTIwMTIwMzE3LTAwMTU5LmpwZw-1.jpg

RubAVeeDubDub

11-12-2013, 07:29 PM

^^ wow I likes the rear but not the front.

Yeah love the rear fitament! I'm planning to buy those wheels in Matt black to suit my black Bora :)

If you look at it from the front, I don't think it looks bad.

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b28/Evans411/IMG_2601.jpg

This guy has used a 18x9.5" wheel on the back with an offset +35. A 5mm spacer should help me achieve that?
I'm guessing being a non-4wd Golf the back end probably has more space than a Bora 4mo?

dylan8

11-12-2013, 08:58 PM

I quite like the stretch look. Prefer it over bulging sidewalls. But at the same time, annoyingly, I don't like having too much of the rim exposed past the guard.

I do understand offsets to a degree, but not sure how they apply on the 4mos with clearance. The wheels I want (Miro Type111) only come in 18x8.5" ET35 & 18x9.5" ET40 so I assumed I'd need the 9.5" for the back due to the extra clearance. I've not found many Bora 4mos on the internet with such a setup because most seem to be about "stance" than anything else.

I'm warming to the idea of spacers,but I'd probably like something thin for safety purposes. I do track my cars so I need something that holds up to a bit of pressure. My concern is that the spacers could do damage to the diff/hub/bearing or worse if they actually fail.

This is the kind of fitament I'm looking for:
http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/

By the sounds of it, you're not confident that a ET40 18x9.5 will achieve this?

no point in comparing it to a FWD, completely different game out back.

Yeah love the rear fitament! I'm planning to buy those wheels in Matt black to suit my black Bora :)

Front would be better with a small spacer and maybe a little bit higher. Could do with a wider tyre as well imho.

Does anyone know if the MKIV R32 has similar rear suspension setup to the Bora 4mo's?

This is a R32 with a 18x9.5" Miro 111 wheel and a 15mm spacer.

http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2013/12/utf8BSU1HLTIwMTIwMzE3LTAwMTU5LmpwZw-1.jpg

R32 is the same so of clearances as a 4mo bora.

no point looking at other cars unless you know the suspension setup and how low they are.
most of the above will be lower, so geometry has changed so much it becomes irrelevant.

put your other wheels back on, use a offset calculator and a ruler and should be able to easily work out if itll work.
Simons can fit the 9.5et40 due to his car being a bit higher (not sure where yours is at) and his control arms fix any camber, there for giving more room on the inside of the wheel.

check some of the other 4mo guys on here. thestu and kapowww arent running adjustable control arms from memory which will make it similar to yours depending on height

dylan8

11-12-2013, 09:00 PM

Yeah love the rear fitament! I'm planning to buy those wheels in Matt black to suit my black Bora :)

If you look at it from the front, I don't think it looks bad.

http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/

This guy has used a 18x9.5" wheel on the back with an offset +35. A 5mm spacer should help me achieve that?
I'm guessing being a non-4wd Golf the back end probably has more space than a Bora 4mo?

the rear track on a 4mo is about 10mm less each side then a FWD car.
9.5et35 looks about right on the rear of that.

Hairy_mic

16-12-2013, 08:59 PM

dylan8

17-12-2013, 07:58 AM

Confused about law in nsw, you can fit only 1 inch bigger than standard?

Car has 16 standard

Although saw this today
http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2013/12/ra9yba4e-1.jpg

225/45/17?

So there was a bora with 17s standard?

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yep. 17x7et38 toccatas (spelling?), which were a almost flat faced 5 spoke and bora sports which were 17x7.5et38 if i recall correctly.
Both with 225/45/17s
Not sure why the sport doesnt get a mention on the placard.
Mine is different again to yours as it lists at 15" option. Not sure if 4mos list the spacesaver

You sure its only 1"? In vic we can go 2" bigger diameter then standard, and 25mm wider (1")

RubAVeeDubDub

17-12-2013, 09:46 AM

Just remember the law is regarding "rolling diameter" - I.e the diameter of the wheel AND tyre together. You are allowed to adjust the tyre size and wheel size as long as the rolling diameter of them together are not 15mm greater than the biggest wheel&tyre combo fitted to that model of car or 15mm smaller than the smallest combo fitted to the car.
Wheel width wise you're only allowed to go 1" wider than the widdest factory wheel fitted to the model of car. For the Bora the widdest is 7.5" so you can legally git 8.5" wheels.

Hairy_mic

17-12-2013, 07:20 PM

Thanks for the quick reply boys so that means that the biggest wheel tyre combo I can go to is 17inch + 45mm ( +15) and 1 inch wider ?

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RubAVeeDubDub

17-12-2013, 07:51 PM

You need to work out the rolling diameter first.
Its basically the diameter of the wheel plus 2x the height of the sidewalls. All can be worked out based of the tyre size. 225mm is the width of the tyre in mms, 45 is a percentage of the tread width (i.e.45% of 225mm) and r17 is radial 17" wheel.

So for a 225/45r17 tyre, the rolling diameter is 2(0.45(225))+(17x25) = 634mm. Therefore, if that is the biggest wheel&tyre combo (rolling diameter that is) then you can fit any size rim and tyre that together is no more than 659mms in diameter. (Provided the tyre meets the cars min load rating).
This works the same for fitting smaller diameter wheels & tyres, however generally manufacturers don't vary the diameter much.

Hairy_mic

18-12-2013, 08:40 PM

Awesome, cheers m8

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RubAVeeDubDub

25-12-2013, 10:39 AM

Anyone ever seen a 215/45r18 tyre on a 18x8.5" rim?

Trying to find a picture but coming up dry.

Ideally would like to stretch a 215/40 but the load rating of 89Y is too low for my car. Needs to be 91 min. 215/45r18's are 93W and almost smack on the same rolling diameter as factory.

dylan8

25-12-2013, 03:14 PM

RubAVeeDubDub

25-12-2013, 11:53 PM

wont find someone on a mk4 doing it as its too big. Better just to go a 225/40/18 if load rating is a worry

Rolling diameter wise - it's practically the same as the factory setup. I currently have bora stockies with 225/55r16 tyres and the rolling diameter of a 215/45r18 works out to be about 2.5mm less.

Is it to do with the fact that the tyre is too wide and high and slams into the suspension/bodywork ?

I'm at a bit of a crossroad - 225/40r18 for right load rating but very pretty average look or go for a sweet looking stretch at 215/40 and risk the lower load rating >.<
Function > Form or Form > Function?

Decisions, Decisions!!

RubAVeeDubDub

26-12-2013, 01:46 AM

dylan8

27-12-2013, 10:44 AM

Rolling diameter wise - it's practically the same as the factory setup. I currently have bora stockies with 225/55r16 tyres and the rolling diameter of a 215/45r18 works out to be about 2.5mm less.

Is it to do with the fact that the tyre is too wide and high and slams into the suspension/bodywork ?

I'm at a bit of a crossroad - 225/40r18 for right load rating but very pretty average look or go for a sweet looking stretch at 215/40 and risk the lower load rating >.<
Function > Form or Form > Function?

Decisions, Decisions!!

stock size tyres are
195/65/15
205/55/16
225/45/17
225/40/18 (r32)

must have the wrong size tyres on your wheels

dylan8

27-12-2013, 10:54 AM

I really am whoring out this thread. Dylan you must get a shiver down your spine when you seen I've posted AGAIN. *Sigh*

Still loving the concave look and also have come across some Avant Garde M310's that are very similar in appearance to the Miro111's but they're made with forged aluminium and are meant to be better quality built than the Miro's.

The M310's come in a nice variety of sizes. All are ET30, and for 18" they have widths of 8",8.5",9",& 9.5".

The trick is finding a retailer AND more importantly; working out which width rim would I want to ensure wheels don't stick out too much past the guards (on the line or tucked under would be perfect).

Any suggestions on which width would be best?

don't stress, its the idea of this thread. I got sick of answering the same questions over and over via PMs, atleast if its here in public space its easier for other people to research and make the decision for themselves.

those sizes you have listed. Personally if it was for my car and daily when I was on coils id go the 8.5et30 and 9et30 option (what I ran on the dials for 90% of the time I had them on the car. I ran a 215/40 up front and 225/40 out back
Now, differences will be how you have your car set up. lows being the first variable, and the rear of the 4mo being the second.

Front if you had it similar height to me the 215/40 would be best bet. if it was any higher id look at trying to get a 225/40 under there.
Rear, being your rear end track is narrower you might be able to get away with a 9.5et30 (only 6mm more outwards then the 9et30 option) and still keep it inside the guards. If you plan on adding camber arms and straightening out the camber I believe itll become out a fair bit more. (refer to Trickysimons pictures running 18x9.5et40 with camber arms fixing it the neg camber)

Best bet is to get the height of the car and the camber setup as you will want it finally, then measure from there

RubAVeeDubDub

02-01-2014, 12:10 PM

I will be investing in a set of camber adjustable arms. Especially since I'd like to go lower. But before I go low, I'll need to get tension adjustable coilovers as my car compresses too much over driveways/speedhumps and i'm finding the back exhaust tips smashing against my expensive Oettinger rear valance (already has 3 massive cracks around the exhaust).

Back to getting a set of the overly commom Miro Type 111's. Not going to get the 9.5" ET40 due to it being a potentially very tight fit.
Planning to get a set of 4x 18x8.5" ET35 wheels instead.

Off my calculation, with an approx 5mm spacer my fitament should be similar looking to this:
http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2014/01/L6OT4SS-1.jpg

↑ That is a 18x9 ET30 with 225/40 tyre.

Compared to fitting a 18x8.5" ET35 on my bora 4mo -the wheel in the picture has 1/2" more width (12mm approx), and tucks in 5mm deeper with a ET30 offset versus my ET35, totalling 17mm difference. Dylan you said the rear track of the 4mo pushes wheels out 10mm more than a standard fwd bora so I'd end up with 7mm deeper than the wheel in the picture. Add a 5mm spacer and we're only talking 2mm's difference.

Is my thinking right?

Thanks again everyone for your help! Legends!

RubAVeeDubDub

02-01-2014, 12:25 PM

stock size tyres are
195/65/15
205/55/16
225/45/17
225/40/18 (r32)

must have the wrong size tyres on your wheels

Certainly seems so :/

I was given them as stock wheels to use by the previous owner's mechanic. Doing some quick checks and my 225/55r16's actually have increased my RD to beyond 3% compared to the factory fitted tyres.
Damn. That was unexpected.

dylan8

02-01-2014, 01:03 PM

4mo track is NARROWER then FWD, so itll be less agressive.

RubAVeeDubDub

02-01-2014, 01:07 PM

4mo track is NARROWER then FWD, so itll be less agressive.

So effectively, the wheel will push out 10mm more towards the guard than for a fwd version Bora?

That would mean no spacer at all.

The 225/40 on a 9" is a nice stretch. The 215/40 would look best but then that old chestnut of load rating rears its ugly head again.
I do have a full set of 215/40 KU31's with 80% tread lying around so might as well make use of them instead of offshelling them for cheap.

caputo9

14-01-2014, 03:58 PM

Hi guys just after some thoughts on a set of wheels I've found and was wondering if they will fit my MK4 1.6L Golf.
They're Lenso LS5 19x8 in Hyperblack with a 5x100 Stud Pattern and +42 offset.
I found them today and they are at a price that is worth thinking about.
Yes i also know i will capture some unwanted attention with these being a p plater.
Lowering will be on the agenda in the near future.

7276

Heres the fitment details of what i can gather.. with me currently running stock 14s at stock height.
http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2014/01/abfe785d43eb4596b31574a8381a7af1_zps49ee-1.jpg (http://s1299.photobucket.com/user/caputo9/media/abfe785d-43eb-4596-b315-74a8381a7af1_zps49eee7c3.png.html)

Cheers,
Nathan

SLAJ

14-01-2014, 04:17 PM

They'll fit on the car Nathan, but not sure if they'll clear coilovers (if you're running them) with that offset. Also, the ride on 19's can be a nightmare and unless the car is low they can look silly big

RubAVeeDubDub

14-01-2014, 08:12 PM

I'm going to be a pain once more before I hit the "buy now" button for a set of 18x8.5" ET35 Miro Type 111's from the US.

Next Level Motoring are having a "Buy 3, Get 1 Free" sale so it comes to $1000US including $320 for delivery. This promotion means that I won't get charged the custom duty as the value of the wheels are going to be listed as $650 (3 wheels price).

Just to confirm, how far from the guards would a 18x8.5" ET35 sit on a lowered Bora 4mo (with camber adjustable arms)?
Will there be miles of room, or just a a cm or two? I want to get the rim as close as possible to the edge without going past it.

Really appreciate all the help giving to me in this thread!

caputo9

14-01-2014, 08:13 PM

Thanks SLAJ
im kinda put off these wheels now as 19s just seem to be too much of a problem and money is the answer to that problem haha
Tyres for them will just cost too much for what I'm willing to spend and just won't look right on the car.

Would someone be able to confirm that 17" Polo GTI Wheels (Denver) off of a 6R will fit? they are 17x7, PCD 5x100, with ET +46 as I've found a set and don't want to commit to anything without confirmation.

Cheers Nathan

SLAJ

14-01-2014, 08:25 PM

Yeah Denvers would fit fine, I was actually gonna get a set to run as daily too

caputo9

14-01-2014, 08:38 PM

Thanks again SLAJ
Hopefully i can get them :D That way my car is more suitable for the road instead of driving on tyres that are basically slicks that want to spin at any chance they can haha

Also what wheel lugs/nuts will i need to purchase to fit these wheels m14x1.5x?? and also Lock nuts?
Where can they be purchased? Preferably in a local store (SA) or Australian eBay?
(id prefer to stay away from international due to the delivery time)

Cheers Nathan

SLAJ

14-01-2014, 09:12 PM

Yeah they'll be 14x1.5.
I'd just go through ECStuning, their stuff usually reaches me in just over a week and they'll have the bolts you need. I know of a bolt shop in Melbourne but wouldn't have a clue about S.A.

Tommo_

04-03-2014, 08:15 PM

Hey guys,

Im really glad I stopped to read this thread! It has been useful.

I am looking at getting a staggered set of 3DSM 0.01 wheels to put on my MKIV R32. I am looking at getting 18 X 8.5 ET35 on the front and 18 X 9.5 ET35 on the rear. As is, the suspension and brakes are stock. I may be looking to get some KW V3 or similar coil overs in the future.

From my own research I think that these will fit fine without any spacers needed for clearance etc on the stock suspension? Would you guys be able to comment on the fitment of these wheels and appropriate tyre sizes?

Thanks!

dylan8

04-03-2014, 08:50 PM

Should be fine. Simon runs similar (9.5et40) on his 4mo, he does have issues with the wheel hitting the external canister on the v3s. But hopefully 5mm more should be enough to clear it when you do install them

clifforddd

18-03-2014, 10:09 AM

quick question, do 4mo boras have a offset differences to a fwd boras?
eg: put a certain size offset and width wheel on a fwd bora but then put the same on a 4mo and it will sit different in terms of sitting flush with front or rear guards?

trickysimon

18-03-2014, 10:14 AM

Short answer: Yes.
Fwd Bora will need a lower offset compared to a 4mo Bora.

"Awaits Dylan's confirmation"

dylan8

18-03-2014, 10:38 AM

Front will be the same for both fwd and awd.

Rear is a bit different... If both cars were stock height the 4mo would need 5 or 10mm more spacing each side to match whatever the fwd was doing.
When lowering the 4mo will need more spacing again if nothing is done to camber settings etc, introduce new control arms top and bottom and its different again.

So as stock front wheels are the same, rear wheels are 'narrow' track compared to the fwd rear end

trickysimon

18-03-2014, 10:49 AM

Dylan, my BMWs rub on the front strut on the FWD at 9" et33 but not on the 4mo ;)

dylan8

18-03-2014, 11:20 AM

Yeah I'm not sure what the go is, I've seen a diagram that says they are the same up front

LeStig

22-03-2014, 08:35 PM

dylan8

23-03-2014, 08:29 AM

Concave Concept CC02 18x8.5, 18x9.5, 5x114.3, 5x100 S15 Skyline EVO GTR | eBay (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/111256724176?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649)

dylan .... These should fit without any dramas ??

The
18 x 8.5 +38, PCD 5 x 100 (Flat Black, Bronze)??
Depends... Will fit rear fine.
Front will fit at stock height, lowered it may hit the strut

LeStig

23-03-2014, 09:01 AM

they also have the same wheel design at +35 but centre bore is 1mm too small.... i can get this machined to suit Bora so that shouldn't be an issue.
I'm running Bilstein B6 struts with lowered coils.... not coil overs .... so the clearance issue is likely to be what ? obviously the +35 is further away than the +38 but this is on a 9" rim so I'm overall worse off.... Correct ??
these are destined for a Bora 4motion ....

thoughts ??

Concave Concept CC03R 18x9 35 PCD5X100 Wheels FT86 BRZ WRX STI Forester | eBay (http://rover.ebay.com/rover/1/705-53470-19255-0/1?campid=5336618722&toolid=10001&mpre=http://rover.ebay.com/rover/1/705-53470-19255-0/1?campid=5336618722&toolid=10001&mpre=http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/121284190133?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1438.l2649)

dylan8

24-03-2014, 09:34 AM

marcoz

24-03-2014, 09:51 AM

17" x 7 Et 55 subaru liberty bbs wheels. I need spacers im looking at 25-30 mm will it fit. What size do you recommend. im on 35mm lowered springs

dylan8

24-03-2014, 10:01 AM

Stock was 17x7et38, so anything on that would be fine.
Check out pics of my abt v1s, they are 17x7.5 et30 with 215/45s.
If you did 30mm all round would be similar to that.
25mm front and 30mm rear with 225/45 all round should be fine

Timmyrgm

27-03-2014, 09:17 AM

Thought ide post this just in case it helps anyone.

Currently I am. Running 18"x9"+38 and I have to run a 5mm spacer in the front to clear the stock strut. And I barely clear them. Literally. Have a fingernail between the wheel and strut. But no rubbing at all. Has done some very hard mountain runs. Only thing I chewed out where the front of the splash guards. And even that was very minor. But if I where going to buy another set of wheels. Ide go half an inch thinner and a bit less off set to be safe.

Sent from my One using Tapatalk

dylan8

27-03-2014, 09:25 AM

Put some pics up and add to the library Tim :)

LeStig

27-03-2014, 10:59 AM

On the oettinger site they list 18 x 8.5 35et as the specs for their 5 spoke rim to suit Bora .... This would also confirm Tims suggested size as a no hassle fitment .... So the search continues !!!

dylan8

28-03-2014, 12:40 PM

Iv done two to show the difference between heights and how much difference it can make even over a 2.5-3" drop
excuse the photos. measurements were taken on level ground, not enough room to take pictures there.

Car: Bora FWD 2lt, aired out
Front: 17x7.5et30 215/45/17 good year
Rear: 17x7.5et30 215/45/17 pirelli
Arch height to ground Front: 21.75"
Arch height to ground Rear: 22"
Fenders Rolled: Front only
Fenders Pulled: No
Camber: Front 1deg, but due to being pulled from the bottom it makes offsets more aggressive (approx the same as running a 10mm spacer/ 1deg extra in rear
http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2014/03/2815daf91bd56ae1d5f8e92dca54c0ef_zps12e3-1.jpg (http://s660.photobucket.com/user/dylanbodyboarder88/media/2815daf91bd56ae1d5f8e92dca54c0ef_zps12e3e5ef.jpg.h tml)
http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2014/03/739dd87dad3bf53cf53137ea5473728b_zpseb12-1.jpg (http://s660.photobucket.com/user/dylanbodyboarder88/media/abt%20v1/739dd87dad3bf53cf53137ea5473728b_zpseb12460a.jpg.h tml)
http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2014/03/2c7cbb4317f7e81b9888d0c7ec1bf06e_zpsb6df-1.jpg (http://s660.photobucket.com/user/dylanbodyboarder88/media/abt%20v1/2c7cbb4317f7e81b9888d0c7ec1bf06e_zpsb6df9a75.jpg.h tml)http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2014/03/b896a1bcf06f1d7b9563b5fd8fe91315_zps673a-1.jpg (http://s660.photobucket.com/user/dylanbodyboarder88/media/abt%20v1/b896a1bcf06f1d7b9563b5fd8fe91315_zps673a3caf.jpg.h tml)

Car: Bora FWD 2lt, approx ride height
Front: 17x7.5et30 215/45/17 good year
Rear: 17x7.5et30 215/45/17 pirelli
Arch height to ground Front: 24.5"
Arch height to ground Rear: 25"
Fenders Rolled: Front only
Fenders Pulled: No
Camber: Front 1deg, but due to being pulled from the bottom it makes offsets more aggressive (approx the same as running a 10mm spacer/ 1deg extra in rear
http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2014/03/07b596991e7bf707afae03d21b97c59a_zpsc644-1.jpg (http://s660.photobucket.com/user/dylanbodyboarder88/media/abt%20v1/07b596991e7bf707afae03d21b97c59a_zpsc6445ad9.jpg.h tml)
http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2014/03/d7b4a15ac751d005734daab48b92e6f6_zpsca33-1.jpg (http://s660.photobucket.com/user/dylanbodyboarder88/media/abt%20v1/d7b4a15ac751d005734daab48b92e6f6_zpsca33bce0.jpg.h tml)
http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2014/03/d83ca206779753f012ca3d8be815749d_zpse46d-1.jpg (http://s660.photobucket.com/user/dylanbodyboarder88/media/abt%20v1/d83ca206779753f012ca3d8be815749d_zpse46de973.jpg.h tml)
http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2014/03/4f4d6ffee73ffc11cc1c6419e93826bd_zpsf25a-1.jpg (http://s660.photobucket.com/user/dylanbodyboarder88/media/abt%20v1/4f4d6ffee73ffc11cc1c6419e93826bd_zpsf25ae304.jpg.h tml)

as you can see front cambers out, but sucks in the lower it goes
Rear stays about the same due to the fixed beam, it just rolls forward into the guards

dylan8

28-03-2014, 12:42 PM

On the oettinger site they list 18 x 8.5 35et as the specs for their 5 spoke rim to suit Bora .... This would also confirm Tims suggested size as a no hassle fitment .... So the search continues !!!

yeah will fit fine on springs or coils with a ~30-50mm drop. lower then that and will start hitting coils and inside of the tyre will hit the arch most likely

LeStig

30-03-2014, 07:48 AM

Thanks for the photos Dylan !!! Love your work !!
Are you running adjustable control arms on the back to correct camber/toe in changes due to ride height drop ??

dylan8

30-03-2014, 08:41 AM

Thanks for the photos Dylan !!! Love your work !!
Are you running adjustable control arms on the back to correct camber/toe in changes due to ride height drop ??

nar control arms are in the front.
I got them to add a touch of camber and to give more clearance (front control arms were hitting the subframe and restricting how low i could go)

rear is a fixed beam in the fwd cars so cant do much other then shimming on drop plates

dylan8

29-04-2014, 04:21 PM

Car: FWD
Front: 18x8.5 et22 215/35 Nankang ns20
Rear: 18x9.5 et27 225/35 Nankang ns20
Arch height to ground Front: just under 22"
Arch height to ground Rear: 22"
Fenders Rolled: Yes
Fenders Pulled: No
Camber: Front 1deg, but due to being pulled from the bottom it makes offsets more aggressive (approx the same as running a 10mm spacer/ 1deg extra in rear
http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2014/04/76e28a29ef18533efd1810b69fdca2f0_zpsb650-1.jpg
http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2014/04/cfc393d7a348cce506354acc112c046a_zps869b-1.jpg
http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2014/04/829fec07c526e7eb8c08f69a86645043_zps2fbd-1.jpg
http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2014/04/b329cf6210ca25771d2b33217c968630_zps25ed-1.jpg
http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2014/04/b5cdc28353b468c9d458bfbf80b40012_zps5749-1.jpg

trickysimon

11-05-2014, 09:45 PM

Car: Bora V5 FWD
Front: 17x8 ET24 (after 15mm adapter) 225/45/17 Continental Contact Sport 3
Rear: 17x8 ET14 (after 25mm adapter 225/45/17 Continental Contact Sport 3
Arch height to ground Front: 24.5"
Arch height to ground Rear: 24.5"
Fenders Rolled: Front only
Fenders Pulled: No
Camber: No

http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2014/05/1916F2E840F748619029A537045FD5A2_zpsnr4j-1.jpg (http://s260.photobucket.com/user/trickysimon/media/Bora/1916F2E8-40F7-4861-9029-A537045FD5A2_zpsnr4jmskj.jpg.html)
http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2014/05/4416095DBE3A4F768A06BAB088DE4473_zpsvoom-1.jpg (http://s260.photobucket.com/user/trickysimon/media/Bora/4416095D-BE3A-4F76-8A06-BAB088DE4473_zpsvoomnhze.jpg.html)
http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2014/05/BBAE7099A8E34291A64AEFE70F2BC25D_zpsig9k-1.jpg (http://s260.photobucket.com/user/trickysimon/media/Bora/BBAE7099-A8E3-4291-A64A-EFE70F2BC25D_zpsig9kytbw.jpg.html)

Feeine

19-05-2014, 07:00 PM

Does anyone here run Genuine aristos on Their golf and run spacers? Looking for some reference to order some. been told either 8/15 for almost flush and 10/20 for flush. is this correct?

dylan8

19-05-2014, 07:23 PM

Depends how low and what size tyres

trickysimon

19-05-2014, 07:38 PM

Check my photos with 10/20. Sat pretty flush with 225/40 and 235/40 and 1 degree camber in rear

Feeine

19-05-2014, 08:52 PM

Stock height atm & 225/40 tyre.

I couldnt find any photos Trickysimon, not sure why :/

blake_

19-05-2014, 09:53 PM

Need a little help with some plans for wheels and if it is even possible.
Finally in a position to consider my dream rims:

Looking at fitting C63 AMG wheels (or C180/Kompressor) rims to my 4motion Bora.

Mercedes Wheel Specs:
Front: 18x8 et45
Rear: 18x9 et54
Thinking tyre size of: 215/40/18

If i run adapters would the offset be too aggressive and protrude from guards?
Will I run into rubbing issues with strut if lowered 50mm+

Help is greatly appreciated.

dylan8

19-05-2014, 11:01 PM

Stock height atm & 225/40 tyre.

I couldnt find any photos Trickysimon, not sure why :/

Check the list on the first page and go to 18x7.5 section.

Need a little help with some plans for wheels and if it is even possible.
Finally in a position to consider my dream rims:

Looking at fitting C63 AMG wheels (or C180/Kompressor) rims to my 4motion Bora.

Mercedes Wheel Specs:
Front: 18x8 et45
Rear: 18x9 et54
Thinking tyre size of: 215/40/18

If i run adapters would the offset be too aggressive and protrude from guards?
Will I run into rubbing issues with strut if lowered 50mm+

Help is greatly appreciated.

8et30 up front and 9et30 out back should be inside the guards but clear struts and what not, could even go a 225/40 on the back to better match the 215/40 up front

Caffeine

19-05-2014, 11:12 PM

I am starting to consider my options regarding wheels for my Bora 4mo.

I spotted some 18 x 7.5 47 using Dunlop Direzza 215/40/18 for sale and want to know if this is in the realm of possibility for a MK4?
I used this website to check... 1010TIRES.COM - Wheel Offset Calculator (http://www.1010tires.com/Tools/Wheel-Offset-Calculator)
Based on a stock 6.5" wheel width and assuming i am reading it right...

Inner Clearance:

The inside of the wheel to the strut housing: -18mm

Outer Position:

Position of the outside edge of the wheel: +8mm

Will spacers be needed or are these measurements ok as is?
I am currently in the middle of replacing my suspension. Not looking for a ground(or guard) scraping ride at all.
Any other advice would be great :)

dylan8

19-05-2014, 11:54 PM

I had 18x8et45 with 225/40 on stock suspension no worries. Lowered it a bit and suddenly no good.
So lowered I'd start to look at spacers, it may just fit though

Caffeine

20-05-2014, 10:41 PM

Thanks for the help Dylan :)

So for the record, when you say no good, was the clearance problem with inner guard/shock tower related or fouling on the outer guard?

dylan8

20-05-2014, 10:46 PM

the inside of the tyre/wheel was hitting on the strut

blake_

04-08-2014, 09:01 PM

Hey guys, yet another one of my MK4 wheel questions...

Looking at a set of 5x112, 18x8 et45 wheels (Another member has for sale)
With 20mm adapters, I believe the offset will be et25.

I've followed the fitment website, but just a bit concerned with any rubbing issues with the car being lowered 50mm+ or any poke issues with that offset? Appreciate anyones ideas who have run this in the past? :P

eri_12

04-08-2014, 10:09 PM

I had 7.5" et44 wheels with 30mm adapters - no poke if that helps - filled out the guards ok though. They were 17" not 18" so not sure of rubbing sorry. The 17s never rubbed at all.
I should put them up on here when I get a chance actually

dylan8

05-08-2014, 08:25 AM

caputo9

05-08-2014, 11:03 PM

Hey guys just a bit of a question regarding tyre size and profile affecting my speedo.

Im running 17" Denvers on my mk4 with 215/40 on the front and 215/45 on the rear.
I purchased my wheels with these tyres and still have above 80% tread on them.
With this comes error with my speedo and im not 100% sure on what tyres i need to correct this.
My speedo is about 10km's out with an app i have on my phone and im usually sitting on 70km/h with 60km/h traffic. (10km/h slower).

Its rather annoying always having to estimate my speed and was wondering what suggestions you guys have?
If i was to get 215/45's on the front will this fix this issue or only make a small difference?

Cheers

dylan8

05-08-2014, 11:14 PM

215/45 Will be much better,
I run them all round but still close to 10% out.
Even stock 225/45/17 will be 7-8% out

caputo9

08-08-2014, 12:10 AM

Thanks Dylan! looks like my next investment will be some tyres haha and hopefully i can sell my others off

Caffeine

10-08-2014, 09:43 PM

dylan8

10-08-2014, 10:04 PM

OK!
Whats the general opinion on using adapters to change the stud pattern on a Mk4?
I understand adapters and spacers are possibly dangerous and very illegal so no need to comment on that.

I want some wheels for my Bora and am currently looking at the second hand market but there is not a lot for my car.
How popular is fitting 57.1 VW > BMW/Holden 5x120 or 5x130 Porsche adapters?

I am ssuming most people would probably go for the obvious 5x100 > 5x112 VW conversion but i would like to try a few odd wheels.
No doubt, i will become a wheel whore so i do not mind going through a few sets.

They are illegal in aus, your car will he unroadworthy and insurance may be void if you were involved in an accident . Dangerous can be put down to incorrect use and poor product.
Someone filling a car with fuel is dangerous if done incorrectly, same applies.

Bmw and Holden is 5x120 (unless you go to older makes which can be 4x100 for bmw).
You will need to keep centre bore size, bolt/nut seat type, and bolt/stud length in mind.

Can run anything, 5x112 is more common as it's a oem option.

Caffeine

11-08-2014, 09:55 PM

They are illegal in aus, your car will he unroadworthy and insurance may be void if you were involved in an accident . Dangerous can be put down to incorrect use and poor product.
Someone filling a car with fuel is dangerous if done incorrectly, same applies.

Bmw and Holden is 5x120 (unless you go to older makes which can be 4x100 for bmw).
You will need to keep centre bore size, bolt/nut seat type, and bolt/stud length in mind.

Can run anything, 5x112 is more common as it's a oem option.

Thanks for the info Dylan.

I think i might just pick up a supercheap set of rims in the correct stud pattern and offset and start saving for some custom order Simmons FR18's.

How wide can you go on the back of a Bora without stretching the tire too much?
For example, a 9" wheel with a 245/40/18? Would 25et be about?

Just thinking out loud now lol. If i am way off, let me know :)

trickysimon

11-08-2014, 09:56 PM

Don't buy fakes/replicas.

Caffeine

11-08-2014, 10:20 PM

Don't buy fakes/replicas.

I'm assuming you are referring to Simmons here? Or just wheels in general?
I don't mind my cheap as possible wheels to be no name rims and i don't hink i would buy replica wheels of any sort.

In regards to the Simmons, my plan is to get some 18x8 front & 18x9"'s or 10"'s rear directly from Simmons. Not cheap though :(

dylan8

12-08-2014, 07:03 AM

Caffeine

12-08-2014, 04:09 PM

Can put certain brand 225/40 on 9s and it's fine.
Depends on size. Can fit 265s on the back if you don't mind having a bit of space above the tyre. Fuzion and trickysimon have done that.

As for the new fr, they are now all single piece rubbish i believe. try to find some older ones from when they were actually made by Simmons, not tempe

Yeah i don't mind having space above the tire. It is actually how i would prefer it with the road conditions up here.

So Simmons are not Simmons anymore? No more 3 piece rims?
Tempe make them now? So they are made from second hand melted down Chinese alloy? Wassup with that?!

So if i can find the "old" style centers, can i get them rebuilt and resized in the "old" way?

dylan8

13-08-2014, 09:19 AM

Not sure if they are still making 3 piece, but I doubt they would be if they are producing copy 1 piece versions at the same time.
If you can find some 3 piece centres then yes you can build them up as desired (as long as your wallet can take it)

Caffeine

04-09-2014, 05:55 PM

Hey guys, im after a bit of advice regarding dealing with a wheel and tire company that sent me wheels that were an incorrect fitting?

The wheels in question were purchased to suit a VW Bora but have a CB of around 70(ish)mm and were not supplied with hub adapters.
Once fitted, they did not clear my brake calipers either.
I phoned them regarding the lack of hub adapters and i was told that if i did not know how to make them fit, i should not be jacking up a car. Not the right attitude!

Anyway, they are not aware of the clearance problems as of yet and want to know if it might have been a fault of mine by not specifying that they were for a 4Mo even though i told them that my car has the same specs as a Mk4 R32 Golf.

I have taken a heap of photo's to state my case with them later tonight via email.

Where do you guys think i stand?

EDIT: I did tell them they were for a V6 4Motion as it makes mention to it on the invoice.

dylan8

04-09-2014, 08:52 PM

You need hub rings not adapters. If they say it's for a bora it should hAve rings to suit.
Dunno if the brake clearance is even that much worse on the 4mo compared to say a 2lt.

If they say it's to suit a 4mo, it should do just that

eri_12

18-09-2014, 12:50 PM

Car: FWD
Front: 17x7.5 et 44 with 30mm adapter = et14 205 45 17
Rear: 17x7.5 et 40 with 30mm adapter = et10 205 45 17
Arch height to ground Front: approx 610mm
Arch height to ground Rear: approx 620mm
Fenders Rolled: No
Fenders Pulled: No
Camber: No
No rubbing on outside of guards at all

http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2014/04/1190292-1.jpg

http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2014/04/1190293-1.jpg

http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2014/09/1257904-1.jpg

eri_12

18-09-2014, 01:10 PM

Car: FWD
Front: 17x9 et 35 with 15mm adapter = 20 205 40 17 (15mm needed to clear coilover)
Rear: 17x9 et 35 with 20mm adapter = et15 215 40 17 (no adapter needed but needed to look similar to the front)
Arch height to ground Front: approx 590mm
Arch height to ground Rear: approx 620mm - looks lower in pictures because there was some weight in there at the time
Fenders Rolled: No
Fenders Pulled: No
Camber: No

Pokes a fair bit (like 25mm front and 30mm rear)
Needs bigger rubber on the front I think
No rubbing on the inside of the guards at all - outside rubbing sometimes when cornering fast :)

http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2014/09/1257935-1.jpg

http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2014/08/1238498-1.jpg

http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2014/09/1257936-1.jpg

dylan8

18-09-2014, 02:38 PM

Sweeeeet. Like the lorinsers, they new on? Not sure I have seen pictures before.
I'll update the index with them soon. Gad weekend means I'm playing wheels myself.

eri_12

18-09-2014, 04:13 PM

Sweeeeet. Like the lorinsers, they new on? Not sure I have seen pictures before.
I'll update the index with them soon. Gad weekend means I'm playing wheels myself.
Nah Lorinsers are old now had them for the past year.
Cheers. Cant wait to see what Gad brings :)
Should have another set to put in this thread in a few weeks time :) hoping they work out.

dylan8

23-09-2014, 01:21 PM

ahhh I remember now.
sounds good! keen to see them!

dylan8

23-09-2014, 01:30 PM

Car: Bora FWD 2lt
Front: 17x8.5et15 205/40/17 NS20
Rear: 17x9.5et18 215/40/17 NSII
Arch height to ground Front: wasnt able to measure the front at my house because the subframe kept getting held up by the ground. looking at the pics and compared to rear measurement id say 21"
Arch height to ground Rear: 21.5"
Fenders Rolled: Front only
Fenders Pulled: No
Camber: Front 1deg, but due to being pulled from the bottom it makes offsets more aggressive (approx the same as running a 10mm spacer/ 1deg extra in rear

http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2014/09/IMG_20140922_182114_zps1ijwqjml-1.jpg (http://s660.photobucket.com/user/dylanbodyboarder88/media/IMG_20140922_182114_zps1ijwqjml.jpg.html)http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2014/09/IMG_44347359596870_zpsmv31npj1jpeg-1.jpg (http://s660.photobucket.com/user/dylanbodyboarder88/media/IMG_44347359596870_zpsmv31npj1.jpeg.html)http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2014/09/IMG_44356439994576_zpsy1mgqkbnjpeg-1.jpg (http://s660.photobucket.com/user/dylanbodyboarder88/media/IMG_44356439994576_zpsy1mgqkbn.jpeg.html)http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2014/09/IMG_44395592337479_zpsougnewfsjpeg-1.jpg (http://s660.photobucket.com/user/dylanbodyboarder88/media/IMG_44395592337479_zpsougnewfs.jpeg.html)

RubAVeeDubDub

01-10-2014, 11:48 PM

Finally had a chance to test fit my 18*8.5 ET35 wheels to my Bora 4mo.

The wheels do tuck nicely under the guards but the rear fit between wheel and rear spring seat is real tight - like 10mm gap tight. This was when the car was off the ground. My car is lowered so I suspect it'd smash against the spring seat during spring compression.

Would I be a complete fool if I made a small incision with an angle grinder on the spring seat?

I think camber adjustable arms are now mandatory for these wheels to fit, so maybe I can get away with a spacer to increase gap?

trickysimon

02-10-2014, 07:14 AM

You shouldn't need to clearance anything with those specs. Run them and see if they rub, which they won't.
Plenty of people running bigger wheels than that.

dylan8

02-10-2014, 09:52 AM

As abOve, people running much less inner clearance no problems

caputo9

11-11-2014, 03:17 PM

Hi Guys,
Just curious if i would be able to fit a 25mm spacer on the front of my mk4 golf? Im running 6R Polo GTI Denvers. 17x7, 5x100, et46.
I have 25mm on the rear currently and want better fitment on the front. I have 5mm spacers to clear the coil currently and have been looking into 15mm bolt ons. The 25mm are bolt ons, but can get another pair off a friend the same.
I dont have time to test fit the rear spacers on the front until late next week, but would be awesome if someone could confirm for me if its worth the time.
If not can someone point me in the right direction of 15mm bolt ons because im having a hard time on ebay trying to find them.
Ive been offered slip ons, but would like to stick with bolt ons to match the rear. :)

Thanks, Nathan

dylan8

13-11-2014, 11:10 PM

Check Ecs, h&r, fk etc.
Just measure 20mm further out when what you have now

trickysimon

18-11-2014, 08:11 PM

Car: Bora V5 FWD
Front: 17x8 ET0 (after 35mm adapter) 205/45/17 GT Radial Champiro
Rear: 17x9 ET11 (after 27mm adapter) 215/45/17 Nangkang NS2
Arch height to ground Front: 23.4"
Arch height to ground Rear: 23.8"
Fenders Rolled: Front only
Fenders Pulled: No
Camber: -2 degrees in the front from R32 control arms and hubs.

http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2014/11/47EFDD2AAEDE4876BA5E6E2155A986CC_zpsajft-1.jpg (http://s260.photobucket.com/user/trickysimon/media/Bora/47EFDD2A-AEDE-4876-BA5E-6E2155A986CC_zpsajftiobf.jpg.html)
http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2014/11/200D607E25F04AB1AFA650333E49F2EA_zps3uyi-1.jpg (http://s260.photobucket.com/user/trickysimon/media/Bora/200D607E-25F0-4AB1-AFA6-50333E49F2EA_zps3uyilxm0.jpg.html)
http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2014/11/8E2A684651A7490F9F523DD4911B83F3_zpsu6ir-1.jpg (http://s260.photobucket.com/user/trickysimon/media/Bora/8E2A6846-51A7-490F-9F52-3DD4911B83F3_zpsu6irsssm.jpg.html)
http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2014/11/8D9AE98B565741779A49E06D91E22096_zps69ua-1.jpg (http://s260.photobucket.com/user/trickysimon/media/Bora/8D9AE98B-5657-4177-9A49-E06D91E22096_zps69uasxqf.jpg.html)

trickysimon

20-01-2015, 09:38 PM

Car: Bora V5 FWD
Rear only: 19x10 ET33 (after 20mm adapter) 235/35/19 Rotalla
Arch height to ground Rear: 23.5"
Fenders Rolled: Front only
Fenders Pulled: No
Camber: -3 to -3.5 degrees from IDF Drop Plates.
Car wouldn't even roll at this height. The guard sat on the tyre. Only suitable for air ride.

http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2015/01/IMG_5187_zps3ed73666-1.jpg (http://s260.photobucket.com/user/trickysimon/media/Bora/IMG_5187_zps3ed73666.jpg.html)
http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2015/01/IMG_5186_zps8af16350-1.jpg (http://s260.photobucket.com/user/trickysimon/media/Bora/IMG_5186_zps8af16350.jpg.html)
http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2015/01/IMG_5188_zps3893bc7c-1.jpg (http://s260.photobucket.com/user/trickysimon/media/Bora/IMG_5188_zps3893bc7c.jpg.html)

mbunter

20-01-2015, 09:48 PM

staticmk4

20-01-2015, 11:39 PM

Car: GTI FWD
Front: 17x7.5 et18 after 20mm adapter
Rear: 17x8.5 et18 after 20mm adapter
205/45/17 nankang ns20
Haven't measured arch height
Fenders rolled: no
Fenders pulled: no

http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2015/01/39a8526cbb02781b93e3b65f2d391358-1.jpg

http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2015/01/8d6ddbe895fbb6fb8ad86c127acd932f-1.jpg

http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2015/01/5a3dbf02e6b3bba218abb77ee2896625-1.jpg

http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2015/01/cff4837b09fb233ae10f5a96438eaf93-1.jpg

http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2015/01/ab06a6323e517b75446cef55b6439fe9-1.jpg

http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2015/01/bb4eed98e9174ea2df223fa9f8cf8829-1.jpg

SLAJ

25-01-2015, 03:59 PM

Car: 2000 GTI

Wheels: BMW X5 (E70)

Front: 18x8.5 et26 (after 20 adapter) 215/40/18

Rear: 18x8.5 et21 (after 25mm adapter) 215/40/18

Fenders Rolled: yes (all)

Fenders Pulled: 2mm in rear

Camber: Front -1 / Rear is standard

Suspension: Fk Ak street coilovers with front helper springs removed and Ground Control camber tops.

http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2015/01/745340a8cfcc50bcd14c699c2ef3c15a-1.jpg
http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2015/01/d715c2939566a00427609d4943157735-1.jpg
http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2015/01/d8de9520db0702c15b2197a45a3c7a05-1.jpg

dylan8

07-02-2015, 09:35 AM

updated, cheers guys!
keep them coming

Swainey32

11-02-2015, 02:21 PM

Wheel whores, advice please
mk4 gti
will rears 19x9 et37 and fronts 19x8 et37 work?

GeeMatt

11-02-2015, 06:00 PM

Wheel whores, advice please
mk4 gti
will rears 19x9 et37 and fronts 19x8 et37 work?

Watching :shock::naughty: (Just wanted to use the naughty smiley for something !)

dylan8

11-02-2015, 07:35 PM

Wheel whores, advice please
mk4 gti
will rears 19x9 et37 and fronts 19x8 et37 work?

Yep should be ok. Would 5 or 10mm spacers all round would be ideal though
Front will be getting close to the strut

trickysimon

11-02-2015, 07:35 PM

Wheel whores, advice please
mk4 gti
will rears 19x9 et37 and fronts 19x8 et37 work?

Sure, it will work. What look are you going for though?

trickysimon

11-02-2015, 08:33 PM

Car: Bora V5 FWD
Front: 18x8.5 ET20 (after 15mm spacer) 205/40/18 Nangkang NS2
Rear: 18x9.5 ET30 (after 10mm spacer) 215/40/18 Bridgestone MY02
Arch height to ground Front: 24"
Arch height to ground Rear: 24"
Fenders Rolled: Front only
Fenders Pulled: No
Camber: -2 degrees in the front from R32 control arms and hubs. -3 degrees in the rear from IDF drop plates.

http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2015/02/IMG_5662_zpsdb8a1692-1.jpg (http://s260.photobucket.com/user/trickysimon/media/Bora/IMG_5662_zpsdb8a1692.jpg.html)
http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2015/02/IMG_5652_zps7550de02-1.jpg (http://s260.photobucket.com/user/trickysimon/media/Bora/IMG_5652_zps7550de02.jpg.html)
http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2015/02/IMG_5449_zpsb6528bfa-1.jpg (http://s260.photobucket.com/user/trickysimon/media/Bora/IMG_5449_zpsb6528bfa.jpg.html)
http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2015/02/IMG_5450_zps471c25d8-1.jpg (http://s260.photobucket.com/user/trickysimon/media/Bora/IMG_5450_zps471c25d8.jpg.html)
http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2015/02/IMG_5678_zps2b183674-1.jpg (http://s260.photobucket.com/user/trickysimon/media/Bora/IMG_5678_zps2b183674.jpg.html)

SLAJ

13-02-2015, 05:22 AM

Wheel whores, advice please
mk4 gti
will rears 19x9 et37 and fronts 19x8 et37 work?

19x9 et25(ish) would sit about flush with the guard man

Swainey32

13-02-2015, 07:39 AM

dylan8

13-02-2015, 11:03 PM

Cheers fellas :)

I found the wheels im looking at were once on a r32 on here, he was running these at
18x8 et 22 eg 15mm spacers
19x9 et12 eg 25mm spacers

Do the r32's have different specs for wheel mounting than the gti? They were sitting nice and flush on his car.
If this is the case, best location for hubcentric spacers?
Cheers

R32 has a narrower rear track, plus camber.
Front is slightly different setup too but pretty close. Best to compare fwd with fwd.
I always found 9et30 basically flush on the back of mine. (Check Teledials and merc wheels in the 18x9 section)

Conradianaski

27-02-2015, 11:13 PM

Great thread

JazzyJust

19-04-2015, 06:49 AM

Superb thread!

Can you keep the lowered on 17's coming please :)

I'm currently running my Bora on 17's but looking for idea to improve the stance and overall look of the car.

If you could use the template as well that would be great.

lemontree

26-04-2015, 06:20 PM

Hi guys,

I'm wondering if these wheels will fit on my MK4 1.6 Golf without any modifications (and if the price is right!) ? It's from a Subaru Liberty.

http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/attachments/f14/15955-vww-official-mkiv-wheel-q-snip20150426_2-png

Many thanks!

SLAJ

26-04-2015, 06:35 PM

Hi guys,

I'm wondering if these wheels will fit on my MK4 1.6 Golf without any modifications? It's from a Subaru Liberty.

http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=15955&stc=1

Many thanks!
Yeah man, they should fit no problem. Check what the offset is with the seller

lemontree

26-04-2015, 06:43 PM

Thanks SLAJ. He said: 215/45/17 if that means anything?

SLAJ

26-04-2015, 06:51 PM

Thanks SLAJ. He said: 215/45/17 if that means anything?
Nah that's the tyre size. Offset should be written on the inside of the wheel and will say "et" followed by a number, like et35. As long as it's something between et20 and et40 you should be fine

dylan8

26-04-2015, 08:33 PM

most of that model are 7et45 or 55 from memory. (there is a few at et35 but not usually on subarus)
first of all the centre bore will be too small and need to be machined out.
if they are the et45 or 55 they will be either a backwards step on the bigger oem mk4 wheels, or might not fit at all if they are 55
id say a bit expensive being they are standard wheel on some subarus, but depends how much you want them etc

lemontree

27-04-2015, 12:57 AM

Hello Dylan and SLAJ thanks for the input. The seller mentioned it's a 55. Would this be too big? If what you're saying is true, Dylan, maybe it's better if I look elsewhere for an ET range under 40?

and if anyone knows wheels I'm after that fits my Golf, let me know :) cheers

dylan8

27-04-2015, 07:38 AM

7et55 might JUST fit, but will look pretty average
Aim for around 7-8et30-40 if you are unsure

trickysimon

27-04-2015, 12:56 PM

Car: Bora V5 FWD
Front: 17x8 ET0 (after 35mm adapter) 205/45/17 GT Radial
Rear: 17x9 ET8 (after 27mm adapter) 215/45/17 Nankang
Arch height to ground Front: 24"
Arch height to ground Rear: 24"
Fenders Rolled: Front only
Fenders Pulled: No
Camber: -4 degrees in the front from R32 control arms and hubs and KMAC adjustable Camber Tops. -3.5 degrees in the rear from IDF drop plates.

http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2015/04/345a3c1f96b31884aedd966a8d42c696-1.jpg
http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2015/04/3bdcd1cb81903ab4a7e9ecd42e8a9a9b-1.jpg
http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2015/04/59f64db46f484f87a26be2254ea75e0e-1.jpg

lemontree

27-04-2015, 05:38 PM

SLAJ and Dylan, how about these?
17 INCH RIMS - ALLOYS - MAG WHEELS - IMMACULATE - NEAR NEW TYRES | Wheels, Tyres & Rims | Gumtree Australia The Hills District - Castle Hill | 1076812001 (http://www.gumtree.com.au/s-ad/castle-hill/wheels-tyres-rims/17-inch-rims-alloys-mag-wheels-immaculate-near-new-tyres/1076812001)

dylan8

27-04-2015, 07:20 PM

lemontree

28-04-2015, 02:01 AM

thanks Dylan. something a mechanic can do?

dylan8

28-04-2015, 07:56 AM

Maybe. Best to try a engineer or someone who works on wheels

Hariso

03-05-2015, 06:10 PM

So Ive got my coilovers installed! Rides awesome now just wanting to know what sort of wheel fitment I could use for my car, might eventually roll my guards later if needed.
Just want to know whats the most aggressive fitment I can use keeping in mind it'll be lowered more. If anyone's got specs and pics would be awesome to see what fitments are going around

dylan8

03-05-2015, 06:31 PM

I've moved your thread to this already established thread.
Check out the first page for a break down of some sizes and some pointers on the mk4 chassis.
Basically things to look out for are different heights means different widths and offsets, FWD vs AWD can make a difference, and those like Simon, Slaj, myself who have mucked with the factory track and camber may mean a fair bit of difference to a stock setup

dylan8

10-05-2015, 09:51 PM

Car: Bora FWD
Front: 17x8.5 ET14. 205/40/17 Nankang NS20
Rear: 17x9.5 ET19 passenger side, et24 drivers side. 215/40/17 Nankang NS2 (old tyres that didnt stretch up how they should have)
Arch height to ground Front: didnt measure, id say 21"
Arch height to ground Rear: didnt measure, 21-21.5" at a guess
Fenders Rolled: Front only
Fenders Pulled: No
Camber: Front. 2.5deg at ride height, more like 1.5/2 aired out. like running 5-10mm spacers each side from wide track arms
Rear. 2.5deg+whatever stock is (guess around 3.5 total), plus drop plate thickness and stub axle relocation.

in summary. beam seems to have gone back to where it was. about 6/7mm to far over.
need camber tops asap so I can run wider then 9s up front again.
subframe is holding me up on these tyres so need to get that out of the way.

http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2015/04/FB_IMG_1430217937476_zpsg5iv0rmv-1.jpg (http://s660.photobucket.com/user/dylanbodyboarder88/media/VITS15%20and%20Futuras/FB_IMG_1430217937476_zpsg5iv0rmv.jpg.html)
http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2015/04/FB_IMG_1430217934217_zpsbprdff10-1.jpg (http://s660.photobucket.com/user/dylanbodyboarder88/media/VITS15%20and%20Futuras/FB_IMG_1430217934217_zpsbprdff10.jpg.html)
http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2015/04/FB_IMG_1430213188765_zps3hqbjfi1-1.jpg (http://s660.photobucket.com/user/dylanbodyboarder88/media/VITS15%20and%20Futuras/FB_IMG_1430213188765_zps3hqbjfi1.jpg.html)
http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/attachments/f35/16019-dylan8-01-bora-17077678977_feb0389bc7_b-jpg

and when the tyre was where it was meant to be:
http://i660.photobucket.com/albums/uu328/dylanbodyboarder88/IMAG0303_zps8pp7rii3.jpg (http://s660.photobucket.com/user/dylanbodyboarder88/media/IMAG0303_zps8pp7rii3.jpg.html)