Ultra Racing Brace group buy

[VWindahouse]

Hey there, just transferring the group buy from the what did you do to your pog today thread.

Ok so spoke to Lewis from UR Australia and he is keen to get a group buy happening. I will work out cheaper if we have a contact person in each state he can ship the gear to, then people pick their gear up from there. I'm happy to cover the QLD people. He needs numbers and kinds of braces to figure out pricing then he will email the quote.

So if you can just list the braces you're interested in and I will take it from there. So they offer;

Front upper strut brace (UR-TW2-1170) - $142
Rear upper strut brace (UR-RE2-1174A) - $132
Lower front member brace (UR-LA4-1171) - $165
Front sway bar (UR-AR23-316) - $215
Middle lower member brace (UR-ML4-1172) - $149
Rear lower member brace (UR-RL2-1173) - $125
Rear sway bar (UR-AR18-303) - $183

Total =

All seen here Volkswagen Polo Mark 4 1.8 Turbo Aftermarket rear sway bar,Stabilizer bars,anti roll bar,front sway bar,anti sway bar,replace sway bar,Aftermarket strut bar, tower brace,strut tower bars,lower arm bar,rear strut bar,Fender Bar,front lower braces, cus (http://www.ultraracing.com.my/Catalog.asp?Brand=Volkswagen&Model=Polo%20Mark%204%201.8%20Turbo&page=1)

So far we have the following interested;

VWindahouse - Front lower brace, lower middle brace. rear lower brace. CONFIRMED $439
TDIfan - rear lower brace CONFIRMED $125
Noone - Front strut brace CONFIRMED $142
Redliner - upper front strut brace CONFIRMED $142
Kaanage - front lower, lower middle, lower rear CONFIRMED $439
seangti - Rear lower brace, Lower front member brace, Upper front strut brace. CONFIRMED $432
Sharkie - front lower brace CONFIRMED $165
jasonc23 - front upper strut CONFIRMED $142
Polo GTEye N9 - Rear Sway Bar, front strut brace CONFIRMED $325
Stuwey - front lower, rear lower. CONFIRMED $290
spraycanmansam - lower front brace, front sway, rear lower brace. CONFIRMED $505
kurtkubin - Front strut brace, rear sway bar CONFIRMED $325
flat6 - front lower bar and the rear sway bar. CONFIRMED $348

Desmo - Rear Lower bar, Front Lower Bar, Middle Lower Bar.

City of delivery;
TDIfan - Perth
Stuwey - Adelaide
Noone - Sydney
Redliner - Sydney
Desmo - Sydney
Kaanage - Melbourne
jasonc23 - Melbourne
flat6 - Melbourne
seangti - Brisbane
Sharkie - Brisbane
VWindahouse - Brisbane
Polo GTEye N9 - Brisbane
spraycanmansam - Brisbane
kurtkurbin - Brisbane

Total Cash Per City;
Perth $135
Adelaide $300
Sydney $304
Melbourne $959
Brisbane $2251

Thanks for everyone's commitment so far. As it stands we are up for only $10 postage per person as Luis has offered a flat shipping rate regardless of the number of braces.

So guys we need an organiser for each city. This person will collect all the money for his city and transfer that total to Luis. Then Luis will post all those braces to that organiser then the others from your city can make arrangements to collect. Only really effects Brisbane, Sydney and Melbourne.

In the case of TDIfan and Stuwey you guys get off easy and you can just send payment to Luis and he will send out your braces direct.

So we need someone fairly central in Sydney and Melbourne to volunteer as the organiser for your city. Please let me know.

For Brisbane can I get a vote on whether you guys can wait for me to return from overseas in about 3 weeks of if someone is willing to organise everything now and hold onto my braces for me until I return?

[seangti]

Been to tax man this morning, so things are looking better (benefits of a useless "investment" property hey) :-)

My interest in pricing would be as follows:
Front upperstrut brace - pretty well certain
Rear upper strut brace - can anyone confirm if these are easy to pull in and out? I need the boot space so would only install for track days. Otherwise would go the rear lower brace I might do both too depending on price.
Lower front member brace

Maybe:
Middle lower member brace - only a maybe
Front sway bar - only a maybe.

Can they do the front sway bar drop links? I need to replace mine.

[VWindahouse]

Nice one Sean, shopping spree it is :cookie: For the drop links Whiteline do a nice set of adjustables for the pog.

[seangti]

double post

[Sharkie]

Looking at "Front Lower Bar / Front Member Brace", thanks Ant

[VWindahouse]

Looking at "Front Lower Bar / Front Member Brace", thanks Ant

Done, thanks mate!

[jasonc23]

Put me down as interested for a front upper strut and middle lower member (pending on price) cheers!

[VWindahouse]

Put me down as interested for a front upper strut and middle lower member (pending on price) cheers!

Done, thanks!

[noone]

Interest:
Front Lower Bar
Rear Tower Bar

[jasonc23]

IMO the Forge rear strut is a much better option for those looking to get some rear bracing, perfect fitment and pretty easy to install, only thing is you have to cut two small holes in your carpet but it's hardly noticeable...and it's easily removable.

The UR one looks like you either have to drill into the chassis or it just sits there? But I've never seen it so can't know for sure...

[VWindahouse]

Interest:
Front Lower Bar
Rear Tower Bar

Done, thanks!

16 braces so far, I'm guessing if we can total 20+ that should put us in a nice place!

[dainese]

Hello gentlemen.

What has been proven to be the more effective braces to get that would benefit the 9n3?
My guess is front strut, centre and rear upper?



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[VWindahouse]

IMO the Forge rear strut is a much better option for those looking to get some rear bracing, perfect fitment and pretty easy to install, only thing is you have to cut two small holes in your carpet but it's hardly noticeable...and it's easily removable.

The UR one looks like you either have to drill into the chassis or it just sits there? But I've never seen it so can't know for sure...

Here is the Forge install link http://www.forgemotorsport.co.uk/media/Fabia,%20Ibiza4,%20Polo9n%20rear%20strut%20brace%2 0fitting%20guide.pdf

I'm guessing the UR one is the same as the Weichers one where you have to drill a couple of holes and bolt it in. More secure IMO but won't suit those who want quick removal.

My only reservation with the Forge stuff is it's very flimsy being hollow alloy. Still plenty of flex which defeats the purpose. I felt a noticeable difference when I changed my front strut brace to an steel one from the Forge. And with the Forge braces if you are constantly adjusting them they can thread very easily because of the soft alloy.

[jasonc23]

The Forge rear strut is actually pretty solid, it's a good 2-3 times thicker than the Forge front brace which I agree is pretty flimsy.

[VWindahouse]

Ok cool, haven't seen a rear one in the flesh personally.

[jasonc23]

Yeah, I haven't seen this UR one either...just don't like the idea of drilling holes in my car :( haha

[dainese]

H
My only reservation with the Forge stuff is it's very flimsy being hollow alloy. Still plenty of flex which defeats the purpose. I felt a noticeable difference when I changed my front strut brace to an steel one from the Forge. And with the Forge braces if you are constantly adjusting them they can thread very easily because of the soft alloy.

I wouldn't put a hollow tube into the flimsy category though.... bike and motorbike frames are hollow... !
I hope Forge doens't have flex!

[Redliner]

Put me down for the rear strut bar as well.
Cheers.

[Eddy]

Ok cool, haven't seen a rear one in the flesh personally.

Ant, there was one in the Little Blue Girl last week.
I stripped the thread out of the adjuster in no time @ all in some hard road testing with the front Forge brace.

[VWindahouse]

I wouldn't put a hollow tube into the flimsy category though.... bike and motorbike frames are hollow... !
I hope Forge doens't have flex!

No you're right mate, but they have a lot thicker sidewalls to make them strong. Certainly not the case with the forge front strut brace which feels like it's paper thin and very, very light.


Put me down for the rear strut bar as well.
Cheers.

Done, cheers!


Ant, there was one in the Little Blue Girl last week.
I stripped the thread out of the adjuster in no time @ all in some hard road testing with the front Forge brace.

Sorry mate was too busy getting aroused by your strut tops and didn't notice :P

[kaanage]

Put me down for all 3 under braces :facepalm:

[VWRCW]

Any for golf r out of curiosity?

[Polo GTEye N9]

Interested in Product : Volkswagen Polo Mark 4 1.8 Turbo Rear Anti-roll Bar / Rear Sway Bar / Rear Stabilizer Bar
Code : UR-AR18-303
Specification : 18mm

and
Product : Volkswagen Polo Mark 4 1.8 Turbo Front Strut Bar / Front Tower Bar
Code : UR-TW2-1170

[VWindahouse]

Put me down for all 3 under braces :facepalm:

Yeah boy :banana:


Any for golf r out of curiosity?

I think it's the same as the MK 6 golf range mate Volkswagen Golf Mark 6 Aftermarket rear sway bar,Stabilizer bars,anti roll bar,front sway bar,anti sway bar,replace sway bar,Aftermarket strut bar, tower brace,strut tower bars,lower arm bar,rear strut bar,Fender Bar,front lower braces, custom made s (http://www.ultraracing.com.my/Catalog.asp?Brand=Volkswagen&Model=Golf%20Mark%206&page=1)


Interested in Product : Volkswagen Polo Mark 4 1.8 Turbo Rear Anti-roll Bar / Rear Sway Bar / Rear Stabilizer Bar
Code : UR-AR18-303
Specification : 18mm

Done, cheers!

[Stuwey]

Interested in front and rear lowers!

[VWindahouse]

Interested in front and rear lowers!


Done, thanks!

That's 24 in total so far!

[seangti]

Cheers for the details around the rear upper strut brace. I may just stick with the lower brace as I need the boot space and needs to be quick and easy to remove/install (for a subwoofer that rarely gets used, doh).

[s4mmie]

Still thinking about these, I'd be up for the lower front, front sway and rear upper, possibly the rear lower brace. Think I'll have to make my own center brace, unless the UR comes down a lot more than the factory one? I've had to take it off as it hits the exhaust.

I'm wondering how effective these braces will be? I have the Weichers lower front brace at the moment, just wondering how much more effective the UR brace will be over it. Also the effectiveness of the rear lower. I don't want to keep adding more metal to my car trying to stiffen it up and just making it heavier! :P :facepalm:

Oh and seangti, I assume tne rear upper brace has to be bolted in? I'll be using nut-serts and notching the holes in the brace to use quick-release fittings so I can pop them off and pull out the bar in prob 10-15 secs.

[VWindahouse]

Cheers for the details around the rear upper strut brace. I may just stick with the lower brace as I need the boot space and needs to be quick and easy to remove/install (for a subwoofer that rarely gets used, doh).

Still got a bit of JDM in the blood there mate :P


Still thinking about these, I'd be up for the lower front, front sway and rear upper, possibly the rear lower brace. Think I'll have to make my own center brace, unless the UR comes down a lot more than the factory one? I've had to take it off as it hits the exhaust.

I'm wondering how effective these braces will be? I have the Weichers lower front brace at the moment, just wondering how much more effective the UR brace will be over it. Also the effectiveness of the rear lower. I don't want to keep adding more metal to my car trying to stiffen it up and just making it heavier! :P :facepalm:

Oh and seangti, I assume tne rear upper brace has to be bolted in? I'll be using nut-serts and notching the holes in the brace to use quick-release fittings so I can pop them off and pull out the bar in prob 10-15 secs.

Cheers Sam! I also have the weichers front under brace and was wondering the same thing. But it only braces the front of the control arms as opposed to the UR one with 4 fastening points. The front of the control arms and the rear also via those small brackets that then attach to the chassis it seems.

[seangti]

Still got a bit of JDM in the blood there mate :P


Old habits die hard.

I'm going to be very keen to get this gear on and hit the track. Will be interesting to see if transfers in to lap times or increased g-forces. I have sufficient data to validate this now. Will be disappointed if it doesn't provide tangible gains. The increased rigidity should also make running semi-slicks a more viable option too.

[VWindahouse]

Absolutely mate, a proven approach by all the open teams in the World Time Attack series. They all say that proper bracing and suspension geometry, upgraded brakes, aerodynamics and tyres are far more important than power figures for getting your lap times down.

[seangti]

Absolutely mate, a proven approach by all the open teams in the World Time Attack series. They all say that proper bracing and suspension geometry, upgraded brakes, aerodynamics and tyres are far more important than power figures for getting your lap times down.

Well I lack the power so will rely on suspension and enthusiasm to get me around. :cookie:

Brakes will also be sourced over the coming month (sticking with standard sized gear, but high temp pads and better rotors). Getting time to fit it is another matter to deal with.

[VWindahouse]

Yes and you and your enthusiasm make it look easy :P

I don't suppose you would be interested in professionally made custom designed carbon fiber front splitter would you?

[kaanage]

The increased rigidity should also make running semi-slicks a more viable option too.
There's nothing to stop you running semi-slicks with a stock chassis. Getting the most out of them, though...:rolleyes:


rely on suspension and enthusiasm to get me around. :cookie:

Something seems familiar about that approach ;)

[dainese]

Can anyone enlighten as to the more beneficial braces to do? Which ones will the Polo benefit most from?

thanks

[seangti]

Can anyone enlighten as to the more beneficial braces to do? Which ones will the Polo benefit most from?

thanks

Check out this ebay link for their products (http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/ULTRA-RACING-Front-Strut-Bar-VolksWagen-Polo-Mk4-02-09-UR-TW2-1170-/170813176904?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&hash=item27c5423c48). There's good illustration towards the bottom of what some of the things do.

Rigid chassis = good.

From the whiteline website (http://www.whiteline.com.au/strut_chassis_bracing.php):
You can never have too much chassis stiffness.
Weight aside, the more the better. Chassis bracing maintains alignment angles and spring rates by greatly reducing body or chassis flex. In fact, it helps every component in the suspension system do its job properly. etc.

[TDIfan]

Upper strut brace - 3
Rear strut brace - 2
Lower front member brace - 7
Front sway bar - 2
Middle lower member brace - 4
Rear lower member brace - 6
Rear sway bar - 1
Rear upper strut brace - 3

isn't that the 'rear strut brace' means the 'Rear upper strut brace':confused:

[VWindahouse]

isn't that the 'rear strut brace' means the 'Rear upper strut brace':confused:

Yes I should fix that and also consider giving up the crack :emo_baghead:

Thanks mate!

[s4mmie]

I'm def up for the front lower brace and rear lower brace.
I think I'll run a whiteline front sway, unless the UR comes in at the same price.
Anyone know how the rear upper strut brace fixes? That's the only thing stopping me at the moment, need to know where it goes :P

[dainese]

Check out this ebay link for their products (http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/ULTRA-RACING-Front-Strut-Bar-VolksWagen-Polo-Mk4-02-09-UR-TW2-1170-/170813176904?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&hash=item27c5423c48). There's good illustration towards the bottom of what some of the things do.

Rigid chassis = good.

From the whiteline website (http://www.whiteline.com.au/strut_chassis_bracing.php):
You can never have too much chassis stiffness.
Weight aside, the more the better. Chassis bracing maintains alignment angles and spring rates by greatly reducing body or chassis flex. In fact, it helps every component in the suspension system do its job properly. etc.

Thanks for that man. Very handy.

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Interest in front and rear strut bars please

[kurtkubin]

Hey,

Im interested in the Volkswagen Polo Mark 4 1.8 Turbo Front Strut Bar / Front Tower Bar
Code : UR-TW2-1170

and

Volkswagen Polo Mark 4 1.8 Turbo Rear Anti-roll Bar / Rear Sway Bar / Rear Stabilizer Bar
Code : UR-AR18-303

cheers!

[VWindahouse]

Hey,

Im interested in the Volkswagen Polo Mark 4 1.8 Turbo Front Strut Bar / Front Tower Bar
Code : UR-TW2-1170

and

Volkswagen Polo Mark 4 1.8 Turbo Rear Anti-roll Bar / Rear Sway Bar / Rear Stabilizer Bar
Code : UR-AR18-303

cheers!

Added, thanks!

[seangti]

Ant, any idea when we're going to formalise this with pricing and time frames?

[VWindahouse]

Ant, any idea when we're going to formalise this with pricing and time frames?

Today hopefully bud! Just confirming the postage situation with him.

Some prices as awesome compared to the Ebay sellers and some are on par with a couple a few dollars more. Apparently the company has a strict policy around re-sellers selling outside their country so he said beware of cheap knockoffs that break at the weld points etc. All these products carry a warranty and the seller is based in OZ.

[Desmo]

Hi

I am interested in all the under body bracing

Volkswagen Polo Mark 4 1.8 Turbo Rear Lower Bar / Rear Member Brace Code:UR-RL2-1173
Volkswagen Polo Mark 4 1.8 Turbo Front Lower Bar / Front Member Brace Code:UR-LA4-1171
Volkswagen Polo Mark 4 1.8 Turbo Middle Lower Bar / Middle Member Brace Code:UR-ML4-1172

Cheers

[kaanage]

Some prices as awesome compared to the Ebay sellers and some are on par with a couple a few dollars more.


Yeah, the prices from Luis (not Lewis) that I got last week were a bit odd vs the ebay ones - the braces seemed very close or slightly higher and the anti-roll bars considerably cheaper than the ebay pricing (from the Malaysian seller).

I'm happy to support the distributor.

Has anyone seen how the rear strut brace mounts up, yet? I'm tossing up whether to add that to my list.

[VWindahouse]

Hi

I am interested in all the under body bracing

Volkswagen Polo Mark 4 1.8 Turbo Rear Lower Bar / Rear Member Brace Code:UR-RL2-1173
Volkswagen Polo Mark 4 1.8 Turbo Front Lower Bar / Front Member Brace Code:UR-LA4-1171
Volkswagen Polo Mark 4 1.8 Turbo Middle Lower Bar / Middle Member Brace Code:UR-ML4-1172

Cheers

Added, cheers!


Yeah, the prices from Luis (not Lewis) that I got last week were a bit odd vs the ebay ones - the braces seemed very close or slightly higher and the anti-roll bars considerably cheaper than the ebay pricing (from the Malaysian seller).

I'm happy to support the distributor.

Has anyone seen how the rear strut brace mounts up, yet? I'm tossing up whether to add that to my list.

Ha ha yeah I saw the spelling only after second email. Sorry Luis!

Looks like one bolt or insert either side so the same as the Forge.

[seangti]

I bet we're all hoping this gear fits without modification otherwise there's going to be some head scratching going on. haha.

[VWindahouse]

Prices added to front page.

Cheers!

[jasonc23]

Is it possible to DIY the front sway bar install? I know it involves dropping the subframe etc. I was quoted $200-$350 for labour from Volkspower.

[seangti]

Prices added to front page.

Cheers!

how would you like orders confirmed? Money transfered to where and when by? Expected delivery/receipt of goods?

I can confirm my interests now. (upper front strut brace, lower front cross member and lower rear. That rear strut bar doesn't appear sufficiently straight forward for easy install/removal and appears to need cutting up the interior)

Thanks for instigating this.

[seangti]

Is it possible to DIY the front sway bar install? I know it involves dropping the subframe etc. I was quoted $200-$350 for labour from Volkspower.

I believe they are quite straight forward once you've dropped the subframe. But that's enough to turn me off doing it, pr1ck of a job unless you've the right hoist. The front wheels would also need to be on the ground/normal compression to bolt it up I think. Would need an alignment once done.

[jasonc23]

Yeah, it does sound like a PITA. Don't think I want to pay $350 to install a $200 part either :(

To those that have a FSB, how much did you pay?

Guess I will give it a miss.

[VWindahouse]

how would you like orders confirmed? Money transfered to where and when by? Expected delivery/receipt of goods?

I can confirm my interests now. (upper front strut brace, lower front cross member and lower rear. That rear strut bar doesn't appear sufficiently straight forward for easy install/removal and appears to need cutting up the interior)

Thanks for instigating this.

Thanks Sean! So I think the deal is all the braces can be sent to a contact for each state for distribution to keep the postage down.

The postage charges are $119 for everything if we do it this way. We can then just divide that by how many members confirm their order. I have asked Luis if the members in his city can pick up directly from him to reduce this amount even further. Just waiting for a reply email about this and will also ask about availability. From there we will work out payment etc.

Hope this suits everyone?

Cheers!

[kaanage]

To those that have a FSB, how much did you pay?.

I just paid $238 each for the FARB and RARB that I bought from the GSL RallySport sale :facepalm: RRP is $265 each

[jasonc23]

I just paid $238 each for the FARB and RARB that I bought from the GSL RallySport sale :facepalm: RRP is $265 each

Who installed your fsb and how much did you pay?

[kaanage]

It just arrived yesterday and will be fitted in a couple of weeks while I'm away (along with some other front end stuff so the subframe has to come out anyway :rolleyes:)

[jasonc23]

It just arrived yesterday and will be fitted in a couple of weeks while I'm away (along with some other front end stuff so the subframe has to come out anyway :rolleyes:)

See you at Winton in November?

[kaanage]

Aiming to be - just don't drive over the top of me if we happen to be out in the same session :(

[VWindahouse]

Can I please get your confirmations now on what braces you want so I can calculate shipping. I will update these on the first page.

Thanks!

[Redliner]

Can you mount the rear strut tower brace all the way forward almost agaainst the rear seats. I have my sub in the back and looking at the way clicht mounted his tthere is no way my sub would fit in. If I can mount it against the rear seats it shouldn't be an issue.
Definate order for front top strut brace. tentative order for rear top strut brace depending on answer to this question.
Cheers.

[flat6]

Put me down for the front lower bar and the rear sway bar

What do you guys recon, extra $ for the sway bar or go with the rear lower bar instead?

[VWindahouse]

Two different outcomes for those I think bud. I would go the rear sway before the brace personally. The rear brace is going to let you corner flatter with next to no roll which adds to the fun factor on both the street and track. But the brace (I believe) will tighten up the rear end for a more chuckable feel and add to overall stability (probably more noticeable at the limit on the track). Jason would be the best person to comment on the rear brace.

[Stuwey]

Confirm me for the front and rear lowers.


Cheers!

[flat6]

Two different outcomes for those I think bud. I would go the rear sway before the brace personally.

Just what I thought :D

Sounds good mate, how would you rate the difficulty of installation?

Was going to get the APR engine mount and possibly get volkspower to do this at the same time, but considering they charge $300 just to bolt in a front sway bar, doesn't look to difficult to do the rear and center

Don't think it'll be a prob with this many of us surely there will be a DIY at some point :cool:

[noone]

Front sway is a decent job, rear is DIY...

So what ballpark are we talking for freight? I'm looking at 2 sections totalling pretty cose to $300, add an extra 30ish? or 80?
dont want to be spending close to $400...

[VWindahouse]

Just what I thought :D

Sounds good mate, how would you rate the difficulty of installation?

Was going to get the APR engine mount and possibly get volkspower to do this at the same time, but considering they charge $300 just to bolt in a front sway bar, doesn't look to difficult to do the rear and center

Don't think it'll be a prob with this many of us surely there will be a DIY at some point :cool:

I think there is a DIY in FAQ section for the rear. From all accounts it's not hard.


Front sway is a decent job, rear is DIY...

So what ballpark are we talking for freight? I'm looking at 2 sections totalling pretty cose to $300, add an extra 30ish? or 80?
dont want to be spending close to $400...

Hey Ben, can you be the distributor for the three Sydney lads?

If we have a distributor for each state then we just divide the $119 total shipping cost amongst all of us. There are 14 interested so far, so if they all buy it's only $8.50 each for postage :eek:

With that in mind I need a distributor for Melbourne also??

[noone]

Sure, shipping them out might be a pain, but I'm in Artarmon, so if the other local peeps can collect from there, should be quick and nasty.

[jasonc23]

If you want to keep your boot space, the forge brace is a good option as demonstrated below:

http://i898.photobucket.com/albums/ac189/jasonchuc/2012-07-22_13-40-02_148.jpg

[s4mmie]

Def up for front lower brace, rear lower brace and front sway.
Lock those in.

I'd love to know if the center brace gives you more exhaust clearance than the stock piece? If it does id be up for one of those too.

[noone]

ok, so i'm becoming indecisive...
I want better ridgidity, but unsure what route to take.

Already have the forge front upper brace and both whiteline sways.

was going to go with the front underside brace and the rear upper brace but I'm concerned about loosing my bootspace which i use daily ATM.

so, does anyone have an idea of how well the rear lower brace might work?

I guess most of us are going in fairly blind and basing the outcome on other cars, etc.

I cant imagine the mid brace doing much, love to hear why its a good idea.

There does not seem to be any info on the manufacturers website about installation, etc, has anyone seen anything on this, being used in polo, cupra, etc elsewhere?

Any opinions would be better than my experience in this area.

[VWindahouse]

Def up for front lower brace, rear lower brace and front sway.
Lock those in.

I'd love to know if the center brace gives you more exhaust clearance than the stock piece? If it does id be up for one of those too.

Confirmed, thanks Sam. From the pictures of the stock v's UR middle brace I would say they're fairly similar.

[Redliner]

Confirming front top strut brace only. Had a good look today and it looks as though rear top strut brace won't clear my sub in the back.

[seangti]

Hi anthony, are these braces (the lower ones) confirmed as direct bolt on, DIY fitting? So no drill holes required.

Noone - with regards to the rear lower brace, I'm still dubious as I don't know exactly where it's bolting in to. I'd guess that upper brace will provide greater rigidity, or perhaps better worded, greater impression of rigidity than the lower brace. My reasoning for this is that the strut tops are further from the flex point (being the floor/chassis) than the strut bottoms, therefore greater flex is likely at the tops than the bottom.

I'd like to go the upper brace as somepoint, but it needs to be easy to install/remove which UR doesn't appear to be.

[VWindahouse]

Confirming front top strut brace only. Had a good look today and it looks as though rear top strut brace won't clear my sub in the back.

Cool, thanks mate.


Hi anthony, are these braces (the lower ones) confirmed as direct bolt on, DIY fitting? So no drill holes required.

Noone - with regards to the rear lower brace, I'm still dubious as I don't know exactly where it's bolting in to. I'd guess that upper brace will provide greater rigidity, or perhaps better worded, greater impression of rigidity than the lower brace. My reasoning for this is that the strut tops are further from the flex point (being the floor/chassis) than the strut bottoms, therefore greater flex is likely at the tops than the bottom.

I'd like to go the upper brace as somepoint, but it needs to be easy to install/remove which UR doesn't appear to be.

Hey Sean, yes they are supposed to be direct bolt on. Luis has a list of dodgy ebay sellers in his email signature which have fitment and quality issues, but the original stuff is meant fit correctly.

As for the bottom rear brace, from the photo it bolts directly to the chassis in two places each side where the suspension beam axle also bolts to the chassis. I have very high hopes for this one.

[peedman]

Quick question, do you think your group buy will extend to other models or is it pogo only?

[seangti]

Hey Sean, yes they are supposed to be direct bolt on. Luis has a list of dodgy ebay sellers in his email signature which have fitment and quality issues, but the original stuff is meant fit correctly.

As for the bottom rear brace, from the photo it bolts directly to the chassis in two places each side where the suspension beam axle also bolts to the chassis. I have very high hopes for this one.

Thanks for clarifying.

[VWindahouse]

Quick question, do you think your group buy will extend to other models or is it pogo only?

Not to sure mate. I would think Luis would extend the offer for other forum members if you asked.

[TDIfan]

Confirm rear lower bar
cheers

[jasonc23]

You can confirm me for a front upper brace.

[VWindahouse]

Confirm rear lower bar
cheers


You can confirm me for a front upper brace.

Done, thanks lads!

[VWindahouse]

If everyone who showed interest can please let me know either way asap that would be appreciated. Looking at finalising things in the next couple of days.

Thanks.

[Redliner]

If everyone who showed interest can please let me know either way asap that would be appreciated. Looking at finalising things in the next couple of days.

Thanks.

Ready and waiting.

[Sharkie]

Confirm front lower brace :cool:

[VWindahouse]

Confirm front lower brace :cool:

Thanks mate!

[flat6]

Still in 100% on the rear sway bar, what are your opinions on the lower front bar?

Cant find much info on it or benefits noticed

Recon it will make any difference?

[Polo GTEye N9]

If everyone who showed interest can please let me know either way asap that would be appreciated. Looking at finalising things in the next couple of days.

Thanks.

Hi I am still keen for the Rear sway bar (UR-AR18-303) - @ $183 with postage to be advised.

[kurtkubin]

You can Confirm me for both the front strut brace and rear sway bar. Cheers!

[Polo GTEye N9]

You can Confirm me for both the front strut brace and rear sway bar. Cheers!

I also confirm Front upper strut brace (UR-TW2-1170) - 1x $142 plus postage Cheers.

[flat6]

Confirmed, Front lower bar and rear sway bar $348 + postage

Cheers

[VWindahouse]

You can Confirm me for both the front strut brace and rear sway bar. Cheers!


I also confirm Front upper strut brace (UR-TW2-1170) - 1x $142 plus postage Cheers.


Confirmed, Front lower bar and rear sway bar $348 + postage

Cheers

All done thanks lads!

So Noone, Kaanage and Desmo have you guys made a decision?

Cheers.

[kaanage]

confirm me for the 3 under braces

[noone]

Front upper brace please
Interested to compare this to the Forge one.
Was keen to do more, will be very interested to see what the feedback is on the other braces.
Thanks for pushing this dude.

[VWindahouse]

confirm me for the 3 under braces


Front upper brace please
Interested to compare this to the Forge one.
Was keen to do more, will be very interested to see what the feedback is on the other braces.
Thanks for pushing this dude.

Thanks gents, no problem at all!

[VWindahouse]

Thanks for everyone's commitment so far. As it stands we are up for only $10 postage per person as Luis has offered a flat shipping rate regardless of the number of braces.

So guys we need an organiser for each city. This person will collect all the money for his city and transfer that total to Luis. Then Luis will post all those braces to that organiser then the others from your city can make arrangements to collect. Only really effects Brisbane, Sydney and Melbourne.

In the case of TDIfan and Stuwey you guys get off easy and you can just send payment to Luis and he will send out your braces direct.

So we need someone fairly central in Sydney and Melbourne to volunteer as the organiser for your city. Please let me know.

For Brisbane can I get a vote on whether you guys can wait for me to return from overseas in about 3 weeks of if someone is willing to organise everything now and hold onto my braces for me until I return?

[seangti]

For Brisbane can I get a vote on whether you guys can wait for me to return from overseas in about 3 weeks of if someone is willing to organise everything now and hold onto my braces for me until I return?

I can wait as I don't expect to have sufficient time to fit it over that period.

Happy for the gear to be sent to my place (springwood area) though people would need to come to me to collect it, or can meet at QR on the 29th. I won't have time to assist in further arrangements due to work, travel and study commitments.

[s4mmie]

I can wait :) I wont be fitting them till I get my coilovers, lwfw and wavetrac fitted anyway.

[noone]

Happy to be the man in Sydney, happier if someone else wants it...

[VWindahouse]

Happy to be the man in Sydney, happier if someone else wants it...

Thanks mate you're it :P I will PM you all the details.

[VWindahouse]

Just need a organiser for Melbourne??

Cheers.

[Redliner]

Happy to be the man in Sydney, happier if someone else wants it...

Noone, I don't mind looking after Sydney if you don't want to. I am based in Parramatta for delivery and pickup.

[kaanage]

Just need a organiser for Melbourne??

I'm away until the 4th of October but am happy to be the organiser for here if jasonc23 and flat6 are OK with that. In the Camberwell area.

[kurtkubin]

For Brisbane can I get a vote on whether you guys can wait for me to return from overseas in about 3 weeks of if someone is willing to organise everything now and hold onto my braces for me until I return?

Happy to wait! :cool:

[flat6]

I'm happy to be the organizer for Melb, I'm in Mitcham, about 15 from the city, ready to go when the order goes off

[VWindahouse]

I'm happy to be the organizer for Melb, I'm in Mitcham, about 15 from the city, ready to go when the order goes off

Brilliant, thanks mate! PM on the way!

[Sharkie]

I'm happy to wait Anthony .... especially since I'll be away as well :)

[VWindahouse]

I'm happy to wait Anthony .... especially since I'll be away as well :)

No problem thanks for letting me know.

For the other guys, when you email Luis after payment to confirm what braces you have paid for, could you please include the the product codes found in my first post. If you have already email him it's all good.

Thanks!

[Polo GTEye N9]

Waiting is no problem, thank you.

[Stuwey]

So I sent through $300 and apparently I now need to pay postage??

I'm lost...

[noone]

Have all parties paid?

[Stuwey]

I'm the only Adelaide person.

[s4mmie]

Did I miss something...? I thought we were paying the designated city organisers. I haven't read anything about payment yet... unless I completely missed it :? I've got my money ready to go, where do I send it! :P

[VWindahouse]

Guys it works like this, we all pay $10 shipping. That covers delivery for 5 city's. I think because all of us haven't paid Luis is charging for individual city's with Perth and Adelaide costing the most to cover himself. I will contact him tomorrow to remind him of the arrangement. It may mean he won't ship until all city's pay but he didn't mention this to me. Will let you know in the morning. Sam if you want to get the ball rolling for Brisbane that would really speed things up??

Cheers!

[s4mmie]

Sam if you want to get the ball rolling for Brisbane that would really speed things up??

Yep, no worries, it's burning a hole in my pocket!




So guys we need an organiser for each city. This person will collect all the money for his city and transfer that total to Luis. Then Luis will post all those braces to that organiser then the others from your city can make arrangements to collect. Only really effects Brisbane, Sydney and Melbourne.

So from that, I pay you? Paypal, bank transfer?

Sorry for the confusion, I feel like such a gumbie... :facepalm:

[VWindahouse]

Yep, no worries, it's burning a hole in my pocket!

So from that, I pay you? Paypal, bank transfer?

Sorry for the confusion, I feel like such a gumbie... :facepalm:


Thanks Sam. PM coming with all the details :eek:

[s4mmie]

Ok Brisbane guys, I'll be taking payment for your braces and then forwarding that to Luis.
I'll keep this little list updated when payments are received:

seangti - $442 PAID
Sharkie - $175 PAID
Polo GTEye N9 - $335 PAID
kurtkurbin - $335 PAID
VWindahouse - $449 PAID
Myself - $515 PAID


Everyone's been PM'd with bank details :)

[VWindahouse]

So I sent through $300 and apparently I now need to pay postage??

I'm lost...

All sorted mate. Sent you a PM to.

Guys when you send through the confirmation email to Luis please include the $10 shipping per member in the total you have transferred.

Cheers!

[Polo GTEye N9]

Ok Brisbane guys, I'll be taking payment for your braces and then forwarding that to Luis.
I'll keep this little list updated when payments are received:

seangti - $442 PENDING
Sharkie - $175 PENDING
Polo GTEye N9 - $335 PAID
kurtkurbin - $335 PAID
VWindahouse - $449 PAID
Myself - $515 PAID


Everyone's been PM'd with bank details :)

Sam if everyone pays in full (seangti - $442 PENDING
Sharkie - $175 PENDING ) will you know when we get the orders?

[s4mmie]

As soon as the last few payments clear ill be sending the total to Luis at Ultra Racing and then the balls in his court to process the order. I'll make an inquiry about the turn around. Once I receive them, come pick em up!

[s4mmie]

Ok Brisbane boys, all members payments have cleared and total payment has been made to Luis.
Being Friday, the payment should clear early next week. I've asked Luis if he can give us an idea on turn around once the money has cleared and I'll keep you all posted :)

[s4mmie]

I received this reply from Luis --


Thanks Sam,

Once the Victoria Group contact me and make payment, we will be looking between 2-3 weeks for the items to arrive in the country.

Regards,



Luis Rios


Hurry up Victoria peoples! :P

[flat6]

Sorry fellas, been waiting on kaanage, his away until the end of the month but me and jason are ready to go, happy to go if were running out of time :)

[flat6]

Quick update, will be ready to go by Monday, sorry for the delay :)

Just waiting for funds to clear

[kaanage]

Feel free to pile it on me rather than the other Vics but no one mentioned the time frame when this thing was put together :P
And my internet access is sporadic for now.

[s4mmie]

All good :)
TBH I didn't know Luis was going to wait for all the cities to pay in full.
We'll get em soon enough :)

[flat6]

Quick update fellas, cash just cleared and Ive placed the order for the Melbourne buy :D

[VWindahouse]

Cheers to all the organisers for each city :beerchug:

Has there been any word from Luis with an updated eta on arrival times?

[flat6]

This is the last I heard

Once we receive your payment and also from a South Australian Member, we have a 2-3 weeks for the items to arrive in the country.

Come on SA :)

[Stuwey]

My funds wouldn't go through :(

I've been trying for a couple of weks now.

Luckily, all went well overnight and now it's sweet.

Cheers

[Polo GTEye N9]

Cheers to all the organisers for each city :beerchug:

Has there been any word from Luis with an updated eta on arrival times?

Guys I'm sure we would like an update: 'Has there been any word from Luis with an updated eta on arrival times?"

[Stuwey]

Probably run off with the cash and having a great holiday :P

[s4mmie]

I've emailed Luis and am waiting for a response :)

[s4mmie]

Received this reply from Luis --



Hi Sam,

All been paid and items have been ordered, hopefuly in the next few weeks. Once the items arrive we will let you know when is send with a tracking number.

Regards,



Luis Rios

[Polo GTEye N9]

Good work Sam, should be here before Christmas lol

[noone]

Any news?
This one is super slow, paid for the Sydney crew 6 weeks ago...

[VWindahouse]

UPDATE!! So the gear has been held up in Customs for the last week but the issue has been sorted and the gear is being released this afternoon. Luis said with any luck he can distribute all orders this Wednesday so NSW will get theirs Thurs and VIC, QLD and SA Friday. With poor old Perth being next week.

Good times :P

[flat6]

excellent :banana:

[TDIfan]

same old story:facepalm:

[kaanage]

So I might get to experiment with them at Sandown on Cup day :rolleyes:

[noone]

Yay! Cant wait to try the new bar (in place of the Forge bar).

Will be good to get some feedback, see what else is worth the $$$

[noone]

Sydney stock just arrived.

Forge front strut bar swapped out, UR bar in. Looks good, supplied longer bolts (a plus), no issues, but will be a tight fit over the stock airbox (no worse than the Forge one probably)

-EDIT-

Quick test drive, stiffer than the Forge bar, seems like a good addition to the front end, I needed the extra stiffness.

If anyone wants to collect my Forge strut bar, its your for $50.

[clicht]

Sydney stock just arrived.

Forge front strut bar swapped out, UR bar in. Looks good, supplied longer bolts (a plus), no issues, but will be a tight fit over the stock airbox (no worse than the Forge one probably)
.

Pictures ??

[VWindahouse]

Sydney stock just arrived.

Forge front strut bar swapped out, UR bar in. Looks good, supplied longer bolts (a plus), no issues, but will be a tight fit over the stock airbox (no worse than the Forge one probably)

-EDIT-

Quick test drive, stiffer than the Forge bar, seems like a good addition to the front end, I needed the extra stiffness.

If anyone wants to collect my Forge strut bar, its your for $50.

Nice one Ben. So fitment was all good?

[noone]

http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2012/10/DSCN1970-1.jpg

http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2012/10/DSCN1972-1.jpg

http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2012/10/DSCN1971-1.jpg

Happy with all aspects. There are a few nicks in the paintwork, but I'm not too fussy and given how far they've come, to be expected. They were wrapped up well, lots of bubble wrap, etc.

Fitment was easy, I use a small ratchet set with extender and articulating knuckle, no issues. The holes in the base plates are oversized and made longer in some planes to allow for the slight deformation that happens over time.

Will be interesting to see how easy the lower braces are to fit up, thats the other main one that I'm interested in, but if we get rave reviews on other braces, I'll see how the funds look.


Thanks for organising.

[VWindahouse]

Nice Ben! No probs.

[Polo GTEye N9]

Great pics and instal Ben. Anyone instal the rear sway bar yet? Please post pics and instal tips.

Cheers Al

[clicht]

Nice Ben

[flat6]

Melbourne Stock just turned up, well packed to

http://imageshack.us/a/img821/6716/img4090h.jpg

Kaanage and Jasonc23 PM me for pickup times :)

Kind of wished I got the whole kit now, each part weighs about 3 to 3.5kg and includes bolts

[VWindahouse]

Any good news for us today Sam??

[s4mmie]

I've been keeping an ear out all day hoping!
Hopefully should see them tomorrow...

[VWindahouse]

Cool thanks mate!

[kaanage]

Kaanage and Jasonc23 PM me for pickup times :)

Thanks flat6 for being the pickup man :) Great to meet another Vic 9N3 Polo owner, especially one with a girlfriend that has great taste in her cars (as well as men)

[flat6]

No Probs mate

Haha yeh I never let her drive mine so she went and got herself one, they look awesome together, somehow I end up doing every mod twice but its part of the fun :banana:

[kaanage]

Work out how to do the mods on her car so you do it right on yours :D

BTW I know where you can find some clips for the A pillars...:rolleyes:

[flat6]

Mate your a legend if you can find them! I have looked everywhere

[kaanage]

Sorry bad joke that I thought you'd pick up :( - I meant from the car parked behind yours in the driveway :P

[flat6]

Haha hadn't had my coffee, but you got a point there :D

[s4mmie]

Nothing's showed up yet guys :( I've had the last two days off and nothing to report...

[VWindahouse]

Bugger, thanks for the update.

[Polo GTEye N9]

Bugger, thanks for the update.
Ditto: I was keen to have these sooner than later........ well keep looking out for them. Cheers Al

[s4mmie]

Yeah I was hoping I'd have something to do on the weekend. Hopefully they'll show up on Monday :?

[clicht]

Yeah I was hoping I'd have something to do on the weekend. Hopefully they'll show up on Monday :?
You could come to Melbourne and help me fit my cooler....if you really have nothing to do haha

[flat6]

Fitted the rear sway bar the other night, the difference is amazing, definitely more confident in the corners at high speed, less movement in the seat, very happy with it, possibly the best cheap suspension mod available.

http://imageshack.us/a/img99/8308/dsc02853hy.jpg

[Polo GTEye N9]

" Fitted the rear sway bar the other night, the difference is amazing, definitely more confident in the corners at high speed, less movement in the seat, very happy with it, possibly the best cheap suspension mod available. "

Flat6 That is exactly what I wanted to hear and have happen with this rear bar! It isn't adjustable is it? Instructions included?
Could you elaborate on the instal? Cheers Al

[s4mmie]

I didn't purchase the UR rear sway bar because I have the whiteline item. The UR bar looks really good. I wonder how it compares in stiffness?

[Polo GTEye N9]

Yes Sam very good question and Whiteline is adjustable yes? Cheers Al

[Jmac]

Yes Al whiteline is adjustable. Hey guys do they do any braces for the 6N2? sorry being lazy here havent even looked.
Cheers
Jmac

[VWindahouse]

Sorry Jimmy looks like they only make the two newer model Polo's.

[clicht]

If any of you are selling you whiteline rsb (if you replaced it with a UR rear sway), let me know. I need to start looking a getting one.

[Jmac]

Sorry Jimmy looks like they only make the two newer model Polo's.
Thanks mate, dreaming really. Miles away from that tbh.
Still dreams can still come alive!!
Ta
Jmac

[s4mmie]

Emailed Luis. Brissy items got shipped today. Should have a tracking number soon.

[VWindahouse]

WTF wonder what the hold up was? Thanks for the update bud!

[flat6]

" Fitted the rear sway bar the other night, the difference is amazing, definitely more confident in the corners at high speed, less movement in the seat, very happy with it, possibly the best cheap suspension mod available. "

Flat6 That is exactly what I wanted to hear and have happen with this rear bar! It isn't adjustable is it? Instructions included?
Could you elaborate on the instal? Cheers Al

Nah it isn't adjustable but even if it was you'd probably just choose the stiffest setting and leave it at that, this bar would be about the equivalent to the stiffest setting on the white line, the only difference between the two is the method of install, this bar is much easier to install and it basically goes to the same contact points.

There were no instructions included but after 10 minutes of looking at it you figure it out

The smaller bolts, washers and nuts are used to mount the arms to the suspension mount, the large nuts and washers are used on the bar, be sure to double washer the bolt on the bar.

I used two jacks and jacked the car up a little on both sides, the tires don't need to leave the ground it was purely just so i could get under it, be careful to as the car will move if both tires leave the ground!

Bolted the mounts to the suspension arms, then bolted the bar in place, be sure to raise the bar so it clears the ground as much as possible and tighten it equally on both sides

http://imageshack.us/a/img4/8119/dsc02854if.jpg

[VWindahouse]

Looks tidy!

[Polo GTEye N9]

Flat6 thanks mate, the fixed sway bar will be just right!
When we get them that is! Cheers Al

[TDIfan]

my bar just arrived when I was outside checking my car
it's surprising that WA didn't came last

[kaanage]

this bar would be about the equivalent to the stiffest setting on the white line,

I'd find a quiet, sloped car park and check for the response when lifting off while turning in hard facing downhill, just to worst case the situation. It'd be worth checking how the vehicle responds so you know how to cope if you get caught in the wrong circumstances. Lift off oversteer is fun if you're prepared for it.

[flat6]

That's a good idea, know just the place to test it, Will be interesting to see where tire lift occurs but all round its quite manageable so far, I'm taking corners at least 20% faster without even noticing it.

[seangti]

I'd find a quiet, sloped car park and check for the response when lifting off while turning in hard facing downhill, just to worst case the situation. It'd be worth checking how the vehicle responds so you know how to cope if you get caught in the wrong circumstances. Lift off oversteer is fun if you're prepared for it.

yup, some people experienced lift off over steer with the rear on the hardest setting. I have my whiteline on the hardest setting and it's great, I find the car very neutral, i.e. the car will slide rather than understeer. I did some track days on the mid setting, it was fine, but prefer harder as its more throttle adjustable. The obvious variables being suspension, tyres and driving style which would explain why some have found it less desirable. The car will only grip as much as the tyres allow, so the hardest setting doesn't necessarily mean it'll corner any faster, just changes the balance to maximise what's available.

[VWindahouse]

Thanks for that Sean! Going to give the hard setting a go as part of my suspension overhaul.

[seangti]

Thanks for that Sean! Going to give the hard setting a go as part of my suspension overhaul.

Now putting the bracing on may change the balance and subsequent settings. But will deal with that in due course.

[s4mmie]

The eagles have landed! Come get em :)

[seangti]

The eagles have landed! Come get em :)

where abouts are you Sam?

[s4mmie]

PM'd :)

[flat6]

Finished installing the upper front bar, used the replacement stainless steel bolts, nice looking bar with good quality welds.. pretty happy with the result, not looking forward to changing the air filter but ill worry about that in a couple months.

Compliments the rear sway bar nicely, turn in feels a bit sharper and the front holds nicely under hard acceleration, previously it was all over the place, The whole car feels a lot tighter with just 2 simple mods..

http://imageshack.us/a/img821/4197/dsc02858fa.jpg

[s4mmie]

Yep, can't speak for the UR items, but fitting the rear sway made it hang in around corners like I like and the front strut brace let me point it where I want it to go for a change. Def great upgrades for the money

[clicht]

Yep, can't speak for the UR items, but fitting the rear sway made it hang in around corners like I like and the front strut brace let me point it where I want it to go for a change. Def great upgrades for the money

^^ +1.

[Polo GTEye N9]

G;day Sam, thanks for all your efforts in getting the Ultra bars tec to us. I almost have the rear bar sorted and will let all know how I feel about the rear prior to fitting the front brace. Cheers Al

[kurtkubin]

Took a break from study and finally got around to installing the front strut bar. The white bar suits well with the white polo :cookie:

http://img12.imageshack.us/img12/9973/20121109172120.jpg

Thanks again Sam for the getting the bars to the brisbane members! Was good to finally meet another member from the forum and seeing his awesome red Polo!

[flat6]

Looks heaps better on the white car!

[s4mmie]

No worries guys.
Most of the thanks goes to Ant for making it all happen. Thanks mate :)

[flat6]

Those who installed the rear sway bar, be sure to check the bolts after a few drives as mine appear to have loosened, might have to get some lock tight on to them this weekend, does anyone know another way to keep these bolts tight?

Could feel the difference which led me to check them, glad i did as the bolt was almost off

[Polo GTEye N9]

Those who installed the rear sway bar, be sure to check the bolts after a few drives as mine appear to have loosened, might have to get some lock tight on to them this weekend, does anyone know another way to keep these bolts tight?

Could feel the difference which led me to check them, glad i did as the bolt was almost off

Flat6 Glad you did check. I actually had big dramas with those 4 stainless steel bolts. The failure of these bolts happened first up trying to torque them up it up tight. It seized on the thread and was only 98 percent along the thread. Snapped the nut off. All three others failed same way, except I had to cut them off with a cutting wheel. i did lube the threads too. I replaced them all with High Tensile bolts. I would post pics except I do not know how. NHJ, I won't be using the ones for the front strut brace. Cheers Al

[kaanage]

Those who installed the rear sway bar, be sure to check the bolts after a few drives as mine appear to have loosened, might have to get some lock tight on to them this weekend, does anyone know another way to keep these bolts tight?

Loctite 263 (red - studlock) - get it from any bolt supplier

[s4mmie]

Ill be getting nylock nuts for mine, in addition to the red loctite above :)

[flat6]

Loctite 263 (red - studlock) - get it from any bolt supplier

Thanks for the tip, stuff looks perfect for the job

Loctite 263 SUPER STUD LOCK 10ML HIGH STRENGTH THREADLOCKER | eBay (http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=120918146579)

[h100vw]

I prefer the nylock route myself. They should be supplying nylocks IMO and bolts that aren't so long. A couple of threads out of the nut is plenty, even in the aerospace world.

Gavin

[Stuwey]

It's a stainless thing, happens all the time. Google "Galling"

Standard zinc nuts and bolts with nylocks should be more than sufficient.

[gavs]

You should be using a minimum grade of 8.8 on the bolts in suspension components. If you can't get 8.8, get 12.4.

[flat6]

After tightening it yesterday i've developed a creek that i didn't notice before, anyone have any tips to combat this?

maybe some bushes I can insert between the links to help damp it down a little?

[Polo GTEye N9]

You should be using a minimum grade of 8.8 on the bolts in suspension components. If you can't get 8.8, get 12.4.

So Gavs, how does that translate in plain English to the nice shiny stainless steel bolts supplied and it seems were not suitable for this application? Cheers Al

[gavs]

Throw them and go to you favourite fastener reseller and buy the same size bolts in grade 8.8 steel.

[kaanage]

American Fastener - ASTM, SAE, and ISO Grade Markings (http://www.americanfastener.com/technical/grade_markings_steel.asp)
Grades of Bolts (http://www.qldcorvetteclub.com.au/tech/tech_talk/bolts.htm)
http://www.roymech.co.uk/Useful_Tables/Screws/Strength.htm

Grade 8.8 in any size you are likely to need should be readily available from any bolt shop. It's the high tensile ones that are tough to find in some sizes.

[seangti]

Cheers for the heads up on the bolts. It'd be worth relaying to UR.

[Polo GTEye N9]

Cheers for the heads up on the bolts. It'd be worth relaying to UR.

So do Ultra Racing need to show all of us their serious about the quality of the products they supply and offer some replacement bolts suitable for the intended use? Cheers Al

[h100vw]

There's nothing wrong with the quality of the bolts and to be fair none of the braces are full on structural items. They are highly unlikely to come off in my opinion.

In the interest of a neater install, I'd be using bolts that aren't overly long and I'd fit some locking nuts.

What I don't really like is the monster holes that are in the rear brace.

Gavin

[TDIfan]

agree
the holes in the rear brace are awfully awful :mad:
need to get some bigger washers

and I had a cross-threaded bolt on the brace today when I try to change them to a set of high tensile bolts and nuts
now I have 3 new bolts and nuts with an old one on the rear brace
can't take it off, can't tighten it :facepalm:
any suggestions?

[h100vw]

Can you do a picture of the cross threaded one. So I can see the location.

Gavin



agree
the holes in the rear brace are awfully awful :mad:
need to get some bigger washers

and I had a cross-threaded bolt on the brace today when I try to change them to a set of high tensile bolts and nuts
now I have 3 new bolts and nuts with an old one on the rear brace
can't take it off, can't tighten it :facepalm:
any suggestions?

[seangti]

Is the rear lower and front lower brace intuitive on where to mount?

[jasonc23]

Has anyone fitted the front braces yet from the current group buy?

I bought a front brace about 4-5 months ago and I had to modify it to fit, curious to see if these will require the same. I also took it off for regular street driving and it was rubbing on the subframe and making unpleasant scraping sounds.

[s4mmie]

Is the rear lower and front lower brace intuitive on where to mount?

Rear lower is pretty straightforward. IIRC it fixes around the swing arm mounts, the holes are already there.
Haven't had a chance to suss out the front.

[VWindahouse]

Hey guys just got off the phone from Luis and he is happy to investigate the bolt issues for the rear brace and rear sway bar.

He has requested some photos be posted asap so he can send some info back to UR in Malaysia. He will try to get on the forum by this afternoon to comment.

Thanks very much!

[TDIfan]

Can you do a picture of the cross threaded one. So I can see the location.

Gavin

here it is
http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2012/11/20121114_091003-1.jpg

[h100vw]

here it is
http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2012/11/20121114_091003-1.jpg


Can you not get a spanner on the bolt? If the nut is spinning then you need to apply some leverage to get it started again. Drop the other end of the bar and pull it down a bit.

Gavin

[TDIfan]

Can you not get a spanner on the bolt? If the nut is spinning then you need to apply some leverage to get it started again. Drop the other end of the bar and pull it down a bit.

Gavin

leverage
how can I not think of that
I'll try this when I have time this week
thanks Gav




Hey guys just got off the phone from Luis and he is happy to investigate the bolt issues for the rear brace and rear sway bar.

He has requested some photos be posted asap so he can send some info back to UR in Malaysia. He will try to get on the forum by this afternoon to comment.

Thanks very much!

I'll post some pics of the cross threaded bolt if I can get it out

[Polo GTEye N9]

agree
the holes in the rear brace are awfully awful :mad:
need to get some bigger washers

and I had a cross-threaded bolt on the brace today when I try to change them to a set of high tensile bolts and nuts
now I have 3 new bolts and nuts with an old one on the rear brace
can't take it off, can't tighten it :facepalm:
any suggestions?

As I said about the instalation of my rear sway bar, which I thought should have taken 20 minutes, ended up being 3 hours. I had galling issues with all 4 bolts. One head snapped off and I had to cut off the other 3.
I am not keen on using the stainless bolts for the front strut brace, so have not fitted it yet. At first I thought I was alone with issues with these SS bolts, not so!
I can't work out how to post pics here.
Kind regards Al

[flat6]

My Install took about an hr, but i dont think the bar has to be 100% tight as i noticed it creeks like mad at 100% tightness yet was fine the first week i installed it when the bolts were looser.

Im thinking of loosening the bolt a few threads on each side and using loctite to keep it in place, found i had no problems when the first bolt was tighter than the 2nd on each side, may take a bit of experimenting.

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[Ultra Racing]

Hey Guys,

This is Luis From Ultra Racing Australia, i was just reading some of the comments made by a few members about the nuts getting loose, this is something we've never come across.

To stop this issue from happening again, i will go to a hardware store and buy some locking nuts and spring washers to stop the bolt and nut from getting loose again, if you guys can email me with your address and let me know how many pairs is required, i'll have it send out as soon as possible. I will inform this to the Headquarters, but by the time i get an answer and receive replacement nuts, washers and bolts, it will take weeks. I apologise for the inconvenience if this has put some of you in danger, but we always recommend and suggest that the braces need to be installed by a qualified mechanic or tuner, as they will have the right equipment and hoist to fit the braces properly.

Al, email me direct with the photos so i can have a look at the snapped bolt heads (ultra.racing.australia@hotmail.com), again this shouldnt be hapenning. Only solution will be to replace the existing nuts with locking nuts and a spring washer.

If there are other issues, please let me know and i'll try to help out as much as i can.

Regards,

Luis
Ultra Racing Australia

[seangti]

I've just done the front upper strut and lower rear brace. Front is easy as, get both sides lightly threaded before tightening. lower rear is quite straight forward but a little fiddly. You need a 17mm spanner for the nuts, though needs to be narrow to make it easiest as there isn't much room. As already said, also need larger washers to stop the bolt going through the eyelet. Fortunately no issue as I had some at home. I did the the bolts and nuts opposite way round to tdifan, nuts of the inside.

Will likely do the front lower brace tomorrow, and new sway bar links while I'm under it. Than over the next few weeks, source new brake rotors and pads ready for track time. :-)

[Stuwey]

Both the front and real lowers done here. Easy as! Took me less than an hour for the pair, and car feels noticeably different. Happy camper!

[noone]

How does it feel Sean?

[seangti]

How does it feel Sean?
Unfortunately I've only driven down the highway, but my car 3 wheels out of my driveway and felt a bit tighter, without the usual flex. Plus weather here is too awful to consider pushing any corners :-(

[Sharkie]

So it turns out I have the full belly pan (as found on early GTIs) and did not fit the front lower brace.

It is therefore available to buy now ... $160 + postage (free delivery in Brisbane).

[noone]

Oh, right... How can you see / tell?

[seangti]

Hi, I finally got around to having the front lower brace fitted at Brakes Plus. They couldn't fit it as the bolts don't line up. Apparently one of the back bolts is about 3-5mm out from allowing the brace to fit.

What do I do about this?

I know one other member had an issue on his car, but that brace fitted another members car... anyone keen to buy the brace off me at cost? Or can it go back to ultra racing for a refund??

My car is MY07, 08 model.

[Sharkie]

You want to try mine Sean? Not fitted due to full lenght belly pan that was on the 06 models. May fit your car better than the 1 you got ....