G60 Vs VR6

[ausgolfer]

Hello all.

Am wondering what the differences are between the two other than the obvious engine, and 4/5 stud wheel/brakes.

Is there a difference in the track similar to the difference between a mk3 golf 4cylinder and mk3 VR6? anything else? Cheers.

[OEM G60]

Yep pretty much mate, VR's had a wider rear beam, same as Golf VR Mk3 set up at the front, wider by 10mm. G60 standard wheels were ET33 and standard VR were ET43, so the centre line is shifted out but the outside of the rim is in the same place.

Bodies are slightly different depending on age, the early 4 cyl Corrados had a bonnet like this -_- and the VR's were like this _-_ (buldge in the middle), and the front guards were slightly wider. Early 4 cyl and early VR6 had slightly different bumpers, the swage line is different and the fogs and indicators are more set back. Pre '92 also had more slats in the front grill. Early (pre '92 except G60's) had different dashboards too. The heater controls are all dials rather than sliders, they moved the electric window switches. Have a look at some pics on the-corrado.net you'll see what i mean. I think that's about it.

Thanks for making me realise what a nerd i am, logging out :)

[dubbed_up_daz]

fogs and indicators are different early to late as well,earlys are seperate and the later ones the fogs are part of the housing(v.expensive to source and replace). Iirc there are differences in the headlights as well as the grills.

The g60 is meant to be a more balanced handling car but a vr6 will always beat the G

[OEM G60]

Yeah daz is right, the headlights are different, so are the actual fog light/indicator set ups.
Biggest changes are the dash really, they are the same shape but the heater grills, indicator stalks, switches, ash tray etc are all different, door cards are much different too. I've only seen a few early VR's with early dash set ups.

[ausgolfer]

the reason I ask is, am being tempted again..... few cars around for sale at the moment, no "real" vr6 ones, but not sure if I should wait forever to find a VR6 if the only real benefit is the sound??

Anyone else care to comment on the handling attributes of either or? :D

[OEM G60]

You mean 'real' as in having all the later dash/bumpers etc?

I've never driven a VR6, so can't compare them. The G60 was amazing around a corner though!

Damn import laws eh! I want my Rallye!

[ausgolfer]

well by real I mean the red VR6 may have a 2.9 VR but wasn't it originally a 4cylinder?

[OEM G60]

Nope, it is an original VR, just an early one, with early interior, bumpers, fogs etc. Has the bulge bonnet. Not sure where it came from originally, it'd have to of been europe somewhere i reckon. Was a LHD though.

[ausgolfer]

Ah thanks for that, will keep that in mind, personally I wouldn't want an early one or one that'd been converted.

Just have to work out if I'd be satisfied with a G60....

[h100vw]

Ah thanks for that, will keep that in mind, personally I wouldn't want an early one or one that'd been converted.

Just have to work out if I'd be satisfied with a G60....

A G60 sounds pretty good with a chip and pulley on. Even with a standard airbox. With head work and a cam they make more power than you could get cheaply from the VR6.

I have been in my mates Storm in Adelaide a few times and it and VRs in general go really well, just not as good on the twisties.

There is a chance of getting a G60 but not much of getting a VR6...

Gavin

[OEM G60]

Ah thanks for that, will keep that in mind, personally I wouldn't want an early one or one that'd been converted.

Just have to work out if I'd be satisfied with a G60....

Yeah i know what you're saying, i like the look of that Mk2 16V for sale, but it's not an original so i'm put off by it. I want a 'real' one too!

What Gav is saying is true though, they go well and don't cost too much to get more power out of. G60 vs VR6 an age old debate, lots of pros and cons for both, the VR6 is a great engine and what the Corrado is known for, so you'll probably always want one if you want one now!
To be honest i miss my Mk4 R32 more than the Corrado. And it's a close one between the Mk2's i've had too. Are you bored with either of yours?

[ausgolfer]

Thanks for the advice guys, still doesn't make it any easier. I can just imagine the awesome looks of a Corrado with the awesome sound of a VR6 coming from it and I have a moment...

Yeah I am bored with the R32, no doubt its a rock solid, reliable, awesome car, am still blown away by the fact is has no squeaks or rattles. But I'm just not in love with it like I am the mk2.

I've always been more of an induction noise fan myself as opposed to exhaust, and the R32 just doesn't have that same induction as the VR6.

[h100vw]

I might have someone for your R32 Carl! That's one step in the right direction! ;)

Gavin

[OEM G60]

Early vs late, i thought Jonny's was a '92, but his bumper is an early one. Haven't got a pic of the front of it.

http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2012/04/Screenshot20120413at115802AMpng-1.jpg

http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2012/04/Screenshot20120413at120421PMpng-1.jpg

Not the best photos but if you can zoom in you'll see the differences more clearly..

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Actually, i did have a pic of Jonny's, looks like a late bonnet to me;

http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2012/01/G60Jon0411016-1.jpg

http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2012/01/G60Jon0411017-1.jpg

[ausgolfer]

Grrrr. It does look like a late one. Does look in good condition. Why can't they all be VR6's!!!!

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Do any corrados have a/c as standard?

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The G60 doesn't have a/c :( not sure I could go without it now

[h100vw]

Grrrr. It does look like a late one. Does look in good condition. Why can't they all be VR6's!!!!

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Do any corrados have a/c as standard?

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The G60 doesn't have a/c :( not sure I could go without it now

Not on the RHD ones. Nigel's Storm has a really expensive dealer fit system in it which works great. It's a combination of MK2 and 3 Golf stuff IIRC. He has a full set of diagrams and parts list too.

Gavin

[VR6 STORM]

i Ausgolfer,

My VR6 Storm is still with me and looking better than ever after a good detailing and going over with a clay bar and carnauba polish, leather treatment and all plastics detailed!! She is a beauty, and as Gavin said, she has the very rare Aircon dealer fit option that works very well. She is fully serviced here by German autos, who know their stuff better that VW Solitaire regarding unusual cars.
So if you're still interested in her then ping me a reply to this mail. As I said before, everything has a price and is for sale!!
I don't agree with Gavin on the drive-ability front (sorry Gav), I think the VR6 is an absolute blinder to drive down good country twisty roads, plus has plenty of good old bollocks for a straight line run. The G60 id good but fragile (although G60 owners would never admit that). I commute 69kms to work and back again, so sometimes when the weather is perfect, I take her for a blast. My journey is over demanding twisty roads and I think she is still one of the best cars I have ever, ever driven, and I have driven heaps of good cars....a perfect drivers car. That VR6 mill on full song is something to die for. I had her wound up to 225kms a few weeks back as some chancer in a VE V8 ute was trying it on... ha ha... he was history mate!
I love it!

Nige

[Jmac]

I fitted one of those Ac kits back in the day, OMG no way again, still mind you i fitted one to an Audi 90 Quattro 7a so yeah it was heaps worse. I went on the factory course when the AAA and the ABV was released, i was converted from the Glader then, its great but i too love the VR.
Cheers
Jmac

[VR6 STORM]

Ha ha,

Yeah, I have a copy of the official 'Diavia' install manual for the Corrado VR6 aircon fit. You're right, its not just a bolt in thing, heaps of cutting and modifying of the shell, taking out major under dash items, fitting the a/c rad to the engine rad (front end of the car off, including slam panel), etc etc.... must have been scary taking a power drill and file to a brand new zero miles £22000 storm!
Funny thing is when I got mine, I noticed that the fan speed was the same on 1,2 and 3, but fast on 4. I did some troubleshooting and found the fitter had hooked up the resistor pack incorrectly from new! So I was surprised the original owner hadn't spotted it. From memory the resistor pack is a Fiat or Lancia part??? The whole kit is a bit of a parts bin special really, but it does work quite well and is better than no a/c at all! Funny thing is that the US models had a/c as a factory fit by Karmann using the old Golf MK2 vacuum system, so why you couldn't get that for the UK models is a bit of a mystery to me?


I fitted one of those Ac kits back in the day, OMG no way again, still mind you i fitted one to an Audi 90 Quattro 7a so yeah it was heaps worse. I went on the factory course when the AAA and the ABV was released, i was converted from the Glader then, its great but i too love the VR.
Cheers
Jmac