Normal MK1 compared to MK1 Gti

[intensem1]

I scan these forums once and a while as ive always liked the mk1s but dont own one, would like one as a daily!

Anyways my question for all you golf fans is whats the differences between a GLS MK1 and a MK1 gti?

The spec list of a standard gti would be great to if any one has one!

Also interested in the price differences of both??

And which one im better off with!

Thanks, your help if much apprecited guys!!

[ausgolfer]

First things first, you'll have a hard time finding a mk1 Gti in Australia as there were never sold here.
Not exaclty sure of all the specs of the standard mk1 GLS but I know they have 55Kw(76hp) smaller than Gti brakes and no antiroll bars.
Gti Specs are about:
1600 8v Specifications
Engine: 1588cc 4cylinder SOHC 8 valve with Bosch K-Jetronic fuel injection, producing 110bhp @6100rpm and 103 ft lb torque at 4500rpm.
Weight: 840kg.
Length/Width: 3815/1628mm.
Wheelbase: 2400mm.
Track (F/R): 1405/1372mm.
Wheels/Tires: 5.5J*13 with 175/70 HR13.
Brakes: 239mm vented front discs, 226mm rear drums.
Performance: 0-100 in 9.0secs, top speed 112mph.

1800 8v Specifications
Engine: 1781cc 4cylinder SOHC 8 valve with Bosch K-Jetronic fuel injection, producing 112bhp @5800rpm and 109 ft lb torque at 3500rpm.
Weight: 880kg
Length/Width: 3815/1628mm.
Wheelbase: 2400mm.
Track (F/R): 1405/1372mm.
Wheels/Tires: 5.5J*13 with 185/60 HR13. Also 14inch wheels.
Brakes: 239mm vented front discs, 226mm rear drums.
Performance: 0-100 in 8.4secs, top speed 114mph.

Those performance figures look a bit fudged though I reckon they're quicker :twisted:

[Golf Loon]

You wont find a Mk1 GTI for sale in Oz, but get a 1.8 carby version. Nearly the same power, easier to fix and great fun. Even the 1.6s get up and go.

You can even inject the car, with the simple kjet injection system used on early Mk1s and it`ll be a GTI in all but name. Purists will look down on the copy, but you`ll be grinning too much to care.

The power figures on paper dont do em justice. Driveability and grin factor counts for more in my book.

Buy one, they are great cars.

Just as a point of note, 5 doors go as fast as 3 doors and are cheaper to buy and there are more non flogged 5 doors about.

Where are you based, there are a few for sale in sydney at the moment and also check the for sales on the forum. 8)

[intensem1]

Thanks, guys for all the info.

It sounds like it may be a bit hard to find a genuine gti!

Are there any defining things that i could see on a golf that make it a gti over a gls. That arent easily modified or done often? Some pics would be cool if need be, i dont know alot about these cars!!

Other thing was wat does the standard gti engine look like compared to the gls since it had K-jet?

Thanks again!!

[syncro]

but get a 1.8 carby version.

No 1.8 carby versions in Australia.

[ausgolfer]

Golfloon meant get a 1.8 out of another VW and run it on Carbies. WOuld be quick either way, My 1st mk1 2door 1.6 had a webber twin throat and extractors and it flew.

[intensem1]

Thanks guys for all the ideas they sound great as future plans! At the moment i want something to drive and work on but would like to keep semi original!

Been looking at pics on net, did the MK1 gti 76 ever come with chrome bumpers?

I like the chrome better, i think its the old skool look!

[Golfwise]

Get a good one and you will love it whether its a GTI or a GLS.
They are easy to modify and most problems can be solved by other forum members.
Top Gear gurus called the mk1 GTI the car of the century (last one)
Says it all really just remember to buy a good one as a rocket will probably put you off for life.

[syncro]

Been looking at pics on net, did the MK1 gti 76 ever come with chrome bumpers?

I like the chrome better, i think its the old skool look!

They came with the same steel bumpers but painted black.

[Golf Loon]

The GTI was first made in late 1979 and they stopped bringing Golfs to Oz in 1980. You cannot get a 1976 GTI. You can get a 1976 Golf with a GTI engine. Whether it runs carbs or injection, it`ll still fly. The engines all externally look the same, 1.6, 1.8 or even 2L, so that doesnt` detract from the originality.

[syncro]

First GTIs were made in 1976.
First RHD GTIs were made in 1979.

1976 GTIs had a funny oil cooler, not the beetle type.

Andrew Cowan entered a GTI in the 1976/7 Southern Cross Rally.

I have a 1977 GTI brochure (8/76) that is in English.

[WABIT]

i gotta k-jet 8v gti engine from the U.S YAY!

JUST WANTED TO ADD ME SHARE :P

wabit

[Oneofthegreats]

The 1.8L came out in 9/82 there are a couple of physical differences,
- sump I believe is different - larger capacity
- top radiator hose outlet is between cyl 3-4 (1.6L cyl 1-2)
- 2L engines I think are a couple mm's taller in height but I may be wrong..

GTI's are 20mm lower than standard, bilstein shocks standard
wider steel wheels before alloy's were standard
Different interior - seat(checked style trim upto 9/80 then went to striped)/ carpet style & material, new style dash from 9/80
just to name a few.

It's all relatively small difference's but it is easy to build a replica.

I'll try and find the GTI history and pm'd the link if you like

[syncro]

Dash is made from hard plastic
Black A pillars
sway bars
green tinted windows
non opening quarters
no padded door capping
fuel tank is same as diesel tank

[intensem1]

Well turns out that the golf ive been looking at isnt a gti despite all the things that make it look like one! Thanks to some guys on here for running engine numbers etc!

Im unsure if i should still pick it up, needs a fair bit and i dont know what the engine etc is even like!

Are the gls easy to work on and what are they like with a fairly standard engine it was only ever ment as a toy to go to uni in and few twists! Was a bonus if it was a genuine gti :(

[Golf Loon]

The engine is the easiest bit to fix. I`d be more interested in checking that it had no rust in the floors etc. If you are not worried about originality, you might as well get one that someone has modified and spent lots on for cheaper than a stock one. No one except a purist can tell if its an original GTI or a lookalike and it doesn`t really matter as a drivers car, both are great fun.

[Bluerex]

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Andrew Cowan entered a GTI in the 1976/7 Southern Cross Rally.


What you mean this one?

http://203.22.239.79/pix/WhiteGolf/ferris-golf2.jpg
http://xs68.xs.to/pics/06074/ferris-golf1-small.jpg (http://xs.to)
Used to belong to a friend's dad. I have been using it as inspiration for my own project.

C

[syncro]

Andrew Cowans went back to the UK?
There was another one built here from a LS (Kevin Bartlett?) for the Southern Cross. That one was RHD.

Long time ago and memory is fading

[Bluerex]

I should say that the photo and Dave's recolections are keeping my spirits up. His dad owned 2 GTI's I think Kevin was involved too.

C

Don't s'pose you have any colour pics? I will be doing mine in similar red and blue on white (but without the Selley's sponsorship)

[syncro]

That's a big ask! I probably have some slides that I took as I was always into Golfs. Unfortunately it only lasted 1 night until it broke a CV or drive shaft or something. I remember speaking to him about his choice of cars and was always sceptical if the Golf was suitable for Australian rallies.

Do you know what happened to it and the other one? Did the KB one end up in Chris Heyer's hands for Bathurst or is that another replica?

[Golfwise]

20vkitcar has Chris heyers I believe.I had a photo somewhere but have misplaced it :roll: