Seat Uprated Bushes

[Jmac]

As you may or may not know i import Seat Cupra R bushes, and i have supplied many of the peeps on her with a set and fitted many up here in Brisvegas, as there has always been confusion about the torque to yield bolts i will now be supplying bushes and bolts as a kit now, stand by for thew pricing, but feel it will put an end to the confusion
Cheers
Jmac

[Buller_Scott]

hey jmac, is this just the front wishbone rear bushes? or are you bringing in front bushes/ rear axle beam bushes as well?

[Golf Loon]

I`ll have a couple of sets off you Jimmy. Good upgrade this folks.

[Jmac]

No worries Matt, ive also decided to take the guess work out of the torque to yield thing, all good suppying the bolts but many still need to know what bolt gets torqued to what and what the angle torque is. With the new kits ill supply the bushes as before, the correct VW bolt set and have a torque settings, makes life easy for us all.
Cheers
Jmac

[Buller_Scott]

hey jmac, is this just the front wishbone rear bushes? or are you bringing in front bushes/ rear axle beam bushes as well?

or would i be better to look at whiteline / powerflex / superpro instead of going with your SEAT bushes?

maybe melbourne peeps who are after this mod might like someone to address their inquiries?

[kangfu]

Hey JMAC i sent you a PM regarding the SEAT bushes i bought from you a while ago, just wondering if my mechanic in Sydney should know which bolts/yields etc.

[Buller_Scott]

Hey JMAC i sent you a PM regarding the SEAT bushes i bought from you a while ago, just wondering if my mechanic in Sydney should know which bolts/yields etc.

lol... this must be getting out of hand...

it'd be cute to think that there's only one person on the east coast of our continent who knows this ****, you just need to find another one....

VW mech in your city, that is... there should be a bunch around.

[kangfu]

Haha yeh, i just dont know many good VW Mechanics in Sydney yet really. Only had my Polo for a few months. Was a Peugeot guy before with a 205 GTi but needed something more comfy :)

[nikanasz]

hi jimmy,

i just came back from a workshop, the mechanic advised against replacing the bushes. His logic? The polo's wishbone is made from aluminium, hence pressing in and out of the bushes would expand the hole and make the new bushes fit loosely and would rattle.

I've asked a fellow owner if he's had any rattling issue after upgrading the bushes, he said no problem.

What's your opinion on this?

[Jmac]

hi jimmy,

i just came back from a workshop, the mechanic advised against replacing the bushes. His logic? The polo's wishbone is made from aluminium, hence pressing in and out of the bushes would expand the hole and make the new bushes fit loosely and would rattle.

I've asked a fellow owner if he's had any rattling issue after upgrading the bushes, he said no problem.

What's your opinion on this?

Logic poor mate im afraid. The original bushes are PLASTIC. You punch them out with absolutely no pressure. Ive done COUNTLESS anounts now with very good results and seen them back for MANY services and are as good as they were when fitted. Top mod.
If in doubt post me your arms and ill press them in for you
Cheers
Jmac

[Jmac]

lol... this must be getting out of hand...

it'd be cute to think that there's only one person on the east coast of our continent who knows this ****, you just need to find another one....

VW mech in your city, that is... there should be a bunch around.

Sorry was in hospital so got a bit behind , so sorry i havent been on to answer the queries. If your local tech would look at his factory specs he will find the bolts are torque to yield so simply using the old ones is not a good idea, ESPECIALLY with the control arm ones, they tend to ratchet loose ( fixed one that had been elsewhere, loose due to the ratchet effect) think about how the wishbone sits and how it acts, it naturally wants to ratchet loose. The other bolts are steering rack and ball joints all of which i wouldnt use the okd ones) As mentioned in the new kits ill suppy the bolts with a description of the torque procedure. For the peeps who have made a purchase lately before i decided to do the kit ill give the torque settings.As follows -
1- Control arms - 70NM + 90degree turn
2- Steering rack 50NM + 90 degree turn
3- Ball joints - 20NM plus 90 Degree turn
Hope this helps
Back on deck now so if you have any dramas use the PM facility please . Hope the VW tech you are using knows what torque to yield means;)
Cheers
Jmac

[kangfu]

Thanks Jmac, hope the hospital thing wasnt anything serious. We all need you!

[Buller_Scott]

hey jimmy, thanks for the reply regarding the torque to yield.

i use volkspower in melbourne, but i'll write down your torque figures anyway.

good to hear that you're out of hospital and up and running!

[nikanasz]

Logic poor mate im afraid. The original bushes are PLASTIC. You punch them out with absolutely no pressure. Ive done COUNTLESS anounts now with very good results and seen them back for MANY services and are as good as they were when fitted. Top mod.
If in doubt post me your arms and ill press them in for you
Cheers
Jmac

yeah, i thought he got it wrong too. Anyways, installed the bushes today at another workshop, was at hand to confirm the newly fitted bushes are snug anf tight. All is well now :-)

[Jmac]

Sorry for the delay folks, almost caught up!!! Ill have the cost of the bush kit including bolts and torque settings VERY soon
Cheers
Jmac

[Jmac]

Hi folks ive had a spare 5 mins to put a price together, i can do the seat uprated bushes, including bolt lit with instructions with my interpretation for $120 all up delivered anywhere in OZ
Cheers
JMac

[kaanage]

Will these reduce the toe out under hard braking? And would it also mean I could run less static tow out?
I'd like a bit more stability in this situation.

Torque to yield still sounds dumb to me but if that's what VW specifies...

[noone]

These are OEM, it will reduce flex, but static geometry is the same. There are powerflex ones that have an offset mount, can be used to change the geometry.

[kaanage]

Thanks.

What I meant was that FWD cars often run a small amount of static toe out so that when the front wheels are driving, they pull the outers of the front suspension arms forward and the resulting moment causes loaded toe becomes neutral or slightly toed in. Under heavy braking, the front wheels push the outers of the front suspension arms backwards so the resulting moment causes the toe out to be increased leading to instability (darting around) and destruction of the insides of the tyres (see the chunking of the OEM tyres from my 1st track day).

I was hoping that the reduced flex of the Cupra bushes would improve the braking stability as toe out under braking would be reduced by

requiring less static toe out to counteract the tendency to toe in under power
reducing the toe out added by the braking moment

Is this likely with the Cupra bushes?

[kaanage]

Anyone? :confused:

[jasonc23]

I've got the solid Cupra bushes on mine, noticed more positive steering response after I put them in.

[kaanage]

So that's why you're so fast :P
;)

[noone]

yes, they do help with the braking. I think the front strut brace made a difference there too.

[jasonc23]

So that's why you're so fast :P
;)

It's all in the bushes

[Buller_Scott]

It's all in the bushes

i dont know if bushes make a difference to speed, but god damn greg, they DEFINITELY increase feedback, which in an age in which we see "sports" and "high performance" (much more capable than any VW) cars with muted steering that feels more like a force fedback gaming console steering wheel than a 1987 toyota corolla, i think this is a very good thing.

*fingers crossed* when i get my clio one day, i'll be doing bushes... who DOESNT like to know EXACTLY what's going on with the front wheels?

[kaanage]

Yeah, I fitted nolathane bushes to my first car and it transformed the response (fantastic at Phillip Island in the rain) but I had to change some of them back to rubber after I started breaking suspension links and brackets. But that car had double wishbone suspension at the front plus it was rear wheel drive so there was no problems with stability under brakes.

With the Polo, I have to brake earlier than I would like as the rear wants to overtake the front when the ABS is on the verge of cutting in but being a tired old fart, I want to stick with rubber bushes.

[Buller_Scott]

who cares what your age is? i honestly thought you were 25-32 years old at most!

[flat6]

Where do you get these brushes installed?

Can volkspower burwood order and install them?

[Jmac]

Pm me for a set, i can overnight bag em, nearly always got these in stock now
Jmac

[kaanage]

Jmac, do you know if these bushes will reduce the dynamic increase in toe out under hard braking? And would it also mean I could run less static tow out?
I'd like a bit more stability in this situation.

Torque to yield still sounds dumb to me but if that's what VW specifies...

[blitDz]

Probably keen on some bushes in the next couple of weeks Jmac. I was looking at the whiteline ones. What is your preference?

[kaanage]

Anyone heard from Jmac, recently?

[kaanage]

Anyone?? I sent him a PM but didn't get a reply

[Jmac]

havent been on here much as im on holiday for the 1st time in 2 yrs , i did post that up but was a good few posts ago. Im on leave till 26th. Ill be in touch soon, im on here having a sneak peak as im under strict orders of no cars whilst on holiday LOL.
Cheers for now
Jmac

[kaanage]

Thanks for the update, Jmac.

Have a great holiday and don't think any more of this until you're back working.

[kaanage]

Does anyone know the part number of the bolts needed to replace the rear control arm bushes?

[Jmac]

Sorry have had tons on - here they are
6 x N10127707 - 20NM then 90degrees
4 - N10492102 - 50Nm then 90Degrees - Diagonally
2- N10141003 - 70NM then 90 degrees with the car or the suspension pressed

cheers
Jmac

[kaanage]

Thanks Jmac! I know you're a busy man and I didn't want to keep harassing you so I was wondering if anyone had this information from previous installs.

Now anyone can just be directed to this thread so thanks again for the bushes and all your help

Greg

[csimpson]

Anyone know the best/cheapest places to pick up the SEAT bushes and bolts?

Cheers

[DeanB]

Anyone know the best/cheapest places to pick up the SEAT bushes and bolts?

Cheers

hit up Jmac for them

[csimpson]

hit up Jmac for them

No dramas, I'm getting them from:

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Along with new strut top bearings and mounts, brake pads and discs :)

[noone]

cheapest might be Awesome GTI in the UK. be prepared to wait a few weeks.