I've been converted!!!!!!

[D.I.T]

Hi all,

As the title states "I have been converted"

Having driven VL turbo's all my life i finally jumped into a VR6 and can i tell you 2 days later i am now the proud owner of a 1995 white VR6!

Its as stock standard as you can get and in need of a fresh coat of paint.

So fella's what can i do to this old girl?

Where should i start?

[gldgti]

hey mate, welcome.

im not a vr6 owner but theres plenty of modifications possible with this beutiful engine. really only your imagination and finances limit development.

post up some pics so we can see your ride,

aydan

[rayray086]

Welcome to the forum mate :) Sorry to answer your questions with questions, but where are you located? How many K's has the VR6 done?

Many Mk3 owners modify their airbox first - less restriction for the intake, easy to do, and sounds great too.

Oh, and pictures please :D

[DubSteve]

Welcome to the forum mate,

As a proud owner of a white 95 vr6 myself I can tell you that there are alot of mods that you can do first.

There are a few things that aren't that expensive that you could do first, like Ray said Intake modification, Exhaust (cat back) there is a middle suitcase to take out it is restrictive and ways about 30 kilos no good :)

Also get yourself some coilovers, there are plenty out there KW, Bilstein, Koni just to name a few.

Good luck and also same as Ray where are you from? And Pics???

[deemoE36]

welcome champ, excellent choice ;)

oh yeah, picks!!!

[D.I.T]

Im located in Melbourne and picked the car up with around 200k on the clock.

Yeah the first couple of things i wanted to do where the air intake and the exhaust. What would they set me back $$ wise?

Pls excuse my ignorance but what are coilovers?

I will have pic's up as soon as the paint dries!

[DubSteve]

Im located in Melbourne and picked the car up with around 200k on the clock.

Yeah the first couple of things i wanted to do where the air intake and the exhaust. What would they set me back $$ wise?

Pls excuse my ignorance but what are coilovers?

I will have pic's up as soon as the paint dries!

Your looking at about 600 for exhaust and a air intake maybe 150 bucks if you get yourself a pipe or 50 bucks for something like one of the threads that Golfer did under air Intake.

Coilovers are suspension and shock absorber in one highly effective, its sports suspension.

I'm sure one of our other members can give you a better definition of it.

[BL33SU]

adjustable suspension

[DVR68U]

hey mate just take your car down to a good exhaust shop and get a quote off them , i got a good cat back 2.5" flanged in 4spots for only $260 with my rear box i provided them. really nice work too.
cheers brenton

[DubSteve]

hey mate just take your car down to a good exhaust shop and get a quote off them , i got a good cat back 2.5" flanged in 4spots for only $260 with my rear box i provided them. really nice work too.
cheers brenton

Same here I payed that much aswell. I was just providing money for the back box :)

[BL33SU]

Same here I payed that much aswell. I was just providing money for the back box :)

u got urs done already?/

hows it sound man?>

[D.I.T]

hey mate just take your car down to a good exhaust shop and get a quote off them , i got a good cat back 2.5" flanged in 4spots for only $260 with my rear box i provided them. really nice work too.
cheers brenton

1) Rear box?


2) I want to get the car lowered, can the coilover still be used in that case? im still unsure how it works.

[DubSteve]

u got urs done already?/

hows it sound man?>

No going on Saturday for it, I just already got a quote for it :P


1) Rear box?


2) I want to get the car lowered, can the coilover still be used in that case? im still unsure how it works.

A rear box is the end of the exhaust what some people call the back box its the metal casing with the two pipes sticking out the end of the car at the back.

Coilovers will do this they are the springs and shock absorber in one, they can be adjusted within the engine bay. It will be a much more bumpier ride but you will be able to take corners without problems :)

[phaeton]

Welcome D.I.T :D

Any pictures of the beast (VR6) ???

[D.I.T]

A rear box is the end of the exhaust what some people call the back box its the metal casing with the two pipes sticking out the end of the car at the back

So this is a seperate part needed when i change the exhaust? What brand do you guys recommend for both exhaust and rear box?


Coilovers will do this they are the springs and shock absorber in one, they can be adjusted within the engine bay. It will be a much more bumpier ride but you will be able to take corners without problems :)

Sound like exactly what i want then. Also what brands are you guys using? Also $$ involved?



Welcome D.I.T :D

Any pictures of the beast (VR6) ???

If all goes will will have pics up mid next week.

PS. i would also like to add you guys are a top bunch of blokes thanks heaps already for all you patients with silly questions and advice

[ScienceVR6]

1) Rear box?


2) I want to get the car lowered, can the coilover still be used in that case? im still unsure how it works.

Coil overs are hight adjustible. compresion and rebound adjustible.
Using coilovers, you completly replace your front struts, and rear shocks. The coil over has a threaded section on the shock body, allowing you to wing the spring up and down the shock, raising and lowering the car. This also has the effect of Changing the tension on the spring (slightly) and altering static sag (ride hight)

[DubSteve]

So this is a seperate part needed when i change the exhaust? What brand do you guys recommend for both exhaust and rear box?



Sound like exactly what i want then. Also what brands are you guys using? Also $$ involved?




If all goes will will have pics up mid next week.

PS. i would also like to add you guys are a top bunch of blokes thanks heaps already for all you patients with silly questions and advice

Mate to answer your questions there are alot but I will try. Shop Around for your exhaust, as you can get different types it depends really what you want. Prefereably I'd go for the twin tip ones "ITS NIICE" (thanks Borat)

Look at Ebay you can get magnex ones that are a couple hundred dollars not that much when Remus costs $480 for the rear box.

Coilovers well for the KW+2's I got quoted $1900 from Seb(BugRacer) I think not sure but hes in Sydney.

Not sure you would have to ask Seb as he sells it himself.

We are a pretty bunch of dub lovers we are good to have another vr6 on board I'd say :)

[D.I.T]

Coilovers well for the KW+2's I got quoted $1900

1) Could i get lowered without coilovers? what pros cons? my standard i mean done by pedders etc...

2) If i get a good quality exhaust do i still need to get a rear box? i used to work for Red Back exhausts so i can get a top one pretty cheap.

3) Where can i get the air intake upgrade? can i do it myself or do i need to take it somewhere to get it done.


ALSO guys, i need a steering wheel for the car the old one is a bit ratty and i want to replace it. Can anybody help here or recommend where i can find one?

[Water Boy]

Welcom good to see another Victorian on the crew...

Mate for suspension some places to check out in Melbourne are Toper Performance in Trade Place Vermont (Near Ethridge) and Center Line suspension over th other side of town both are really good and happy to give advice...

Cheers James :)

[sukebe]

The 2 most common ways people lower their VR6s are:

1. Install coilovers. KW Variant 2 @ $1900 from Seb would be you best option for balance of cost, quality and ride.
2. Install sports dampers (shock adsorbers) with lowered sports springs. The most common combination is Koni yellow dampers (rebound adjustable) with Eibach springs. This setup will cost around $1500 but could be done cheaper if you can find the right supplier overseas. A budget solution (that still gives a reasonable ride) might be KYB Excel-G dampers (I had these before my Koni's, nothing wrong with them just no rebound adjustment) with Lovell or King springs. You can put lowered springs in with the standard dampers, but you will drastically reduce their life as they are not designed for the shortened stroke.

Do a bit of net-research about suspension generally to familiarise yourself with what options you have.

Regarding exhaust. Look under your car. You will see a pipe coming down from the engine that goes into the catalytic converter near the front of the car. A pipe from this goes to the back of the car, and joins the enormous muffler that sits under the rear seats (often called the "suitcase" as its about as big as one). A pipe from this muffler goes to the back of the car to the rear muffler/back box/rear box/whatever-you-want-to-call-it. Mufflers are used in the exhaust system to muffle the noise such that you don't get ruptured kidneys, however another effect is that they restrict exhaust flow. Many people remove the "suitcase" to free-up the exhaust, resulting in more top-end power, but also a lot more noise intrusion into the cabin. If you were to do this I would recommend getting a quality rear muffler. A cheap rear muffler will drone and drive you mad in no time.

Again, do a bit of research about what an exhaust system does and how it works. Mufflers, in my opinion, are very much a "you get what you paid for" type of item. Use a quality, high-flow rear muffler, a resonator/hotdog in place of the suitcase, and all piping custom made by your local exhaust shop (best bang for bucks).

Regarding your intake, I think most intake systems are not worth the money. Your best choice, IMHO, is to get a K&N filter element (~$120) for your standard box and fit some kind of cold air conduit as the factory one is restricted and pulls air from inside the front quarter panel. As it turns out, I have a spare K&N element and I'm in Melbourne :D

Regards your steering wheel question, I suggest putting up with it unless you are willing to risk having an unroadworthy car. The factory one has an airbag while aftermarket steering wheels that you might find on ebay or at Autobarn do not. Since the car had an airbag from factory, it requires it to meet road worthiness. Also, without the airbag the airbag dash light will flash all the time. You would need to remove the instrument cluster and remove the globe. The only option that might be OK would be a factory MKIV Golf GTI wheel, but finding one for sale would be a bit tough....

Enjoy learning more about your car !

[D.I.T]

Regarding your intake, I think most intake systems are not worth the money. Your best choice, IMHO, is to get a K&N filter element (~$120) for your standard box and fit some kind of cold air conduit as the factory one is restricted and pulls air from inside the front quarter panel. As it turns out, I have a spare K&N element and I'm in Melbourne :D


Thanks for that excellent reply mate.

I have done alot of work to my old VL turbo's but they are a totaly different beast to the VR6. I must say the VW is alot more fun to drive :D and it handles soooooooo much better then the VL its not funny


Are there any cold air induction kits available? or specialists around?

As for the steering wheel i want another original one. The leather has peeled away on the one in the car at the moment. Can they be fixed?

[sukebe]

Prolly something to ask an auto-upholsterer about, they may be able to re-do the leather. Otherwise you will need to hunt around Euro wreckers (including this forum and vwvortex) to find a wrecked VR6 with a reasonable steering wheel. As for CAI, yes they exist, but they cost heaps for little gain. Honestly, the best thing to do is a search on this forum about a home-job CAI with a K&N filter. The home-job method will cost maybe $30 and take a couple of hours. Coupled with the K&N, you will see the same gains as a $600 carbon fibre CAI (available from QSZ or Euroclass in Richmond)

[DubSteve]

There are many different types of CAI to get best to keep the original box and to hack at that make the surface completely flat by taking out all the ridges and bumps this will help and better air circulation become of this :)

[D.I.T]

Thanks guys im ganna get a start changing some of this stuff straight away.

[D.I.T]

ANybody know where i can find good second hand wheels to suit?

Looking for at least 16" prefer 17"

[Spyda]

Ive got a set of 16" BBS style with good tires. Only problem is, is the mk3 4x100 stud pattern?

[rayray086]

Ive got a set of 16" BBS style with good tires. Only problem is, is the mk3 4x100 stud pattern?

Would suit a GL/CL, but not a VR6 - they're 5 lug. Happen to have a pic of those Spyda?

[DubSteve]

Looking for at least 16" prefer 17"

Dude I would go for 16's, better to go that then bigger ones, you waste more petrol and have a small power loss aswell as feeling the bumps more.

[D.I.T]

Yeah i was thinking 16's would be better too, but i still love the look of the 17's. I'll see what i can come up with and i'll take it from there.

Still looking for a steering wheel, any suggestions where i can find another original wheel s/h?

[DubSteve]

Yeah i was thinking 16's would be better too, but i still love the look of the 17's. I'll see what i can come up with and i'll take it from there.

If you get a low profile tyre then you will be fine. With some coilovers sitting nice and low they will still look really big.

I'm not a fan of 17's on the vr6 but there is the odd occasion.


Still looking for a steering wheel, any suggestions where i can find another original wheel s/h?

Best bet is to ring an upholsterer and get them to do it supply your own material and get them to do it alot easier and better for you;)

[D.I.T]

They will still look really big.


That's what i like really low and nice and big :D

I'm over having a fast car, i like the classy look of the Golf and big rims will just set it off nicely!

We can all have our car's looking the same now can we :) :)

[DubSteve]

I'm putting some 16's on mine going for the phat look 16x8.5 :D:D

Will take photos for the Nationals when its ready.

[D.I.T]

I'd love a set like DUBING had on his vr6, Diablo racer 215/35/17 very smoothhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh :cool: :cool: :cool:

[KI11Z]

no offence to dubbing but i felt like they looked a bit cheap? The A8 RIMZ LOOK THE DUKS NUTS!! search around on ebay for them in 17"!! now they're smoooooooooooth eg http://cgi.ebay.com.au/17-A8-S-Line-Felgen-VW-Golf-3-4-Bora-Passat-Corrado_W0QQitemZ250096459449QQcategoryZ9888QQrdZ1 QQcmdZViewItem. . . . . .

there is a red one from brizzy that use t have them on his and i can say from first hand experience that if i wasnt racing mine they're the rimz i'd be gettin!