Scirocco one step closer to Australian shores

[Lima]

http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2010/03/VWSciroccoRexpected-1.jpg

Melbourne-based importer AVICCO have been given approval to bring USED Scirocco 2.0 TSI and Scirocco R models to Australia. The last remaining hurdle is gaining ADR approval.

AVICCO has a client willing to pay for a car to be brought to Australia from the UK to undergo compliance testing. If that gets signed off, then you should be able to buy a Scirocco in Australia before the end of 2010.

While this is excellent news, I wonder if this will simply force Volkswagen Australia's hand to import the car officially.

More at AUSmotive -> VW Scirocco one step closer to Australian shores (http://www.ausmotive.com/2010/03/11/exclusive-volkswagen-scirocco-one-step-closer-to-australian-shores.html)

[scoob02]

There are a few floating around in Singapore, i must say they do look the business in the flesh

would much rather one of these over a 3dr Golf :cool:

[cme2c]

They would be exxy, when you consider customs, duty, conversion costs etc. The comparisons I can see are the Nissan GTR and Chevy Camaro. They both turned up under SEVS at around $150k, similar pricing to what Nissan bring in the GTR for now, but the top of the range Camaro is $US34k in California according to the Chevy website.

I'll still be keeping my eyes open!

[V6Passat]

They would be exxy, when you consider customs, duty, conversion costs etc. The comparisons I can see are the Nissan GTR and Chevy Camaro. They both turned up under SEVS at around $150k, similar pricing to what Nissan bring in the GTR for now, but the top of the range Camaro is $US34k in California according to the Chevy website.

I'll still be keeping my eyes open!

Cheaper to move to NZ....then again, why would you do it to your self? (only kidding...nice place i hear)

[tentacles1]

Probably cheaper to bring one over from NZ rather than the UK, quicker too.

[Lima]

The guy I spoke to at AVICCO indicated pricing would be similar to the GTI. A bit too far away to lock that in just yet, but enough to think pricing may not be too out of control.

[Lams]

hm, my father owns one in HK. I may ask him to bring it here in a few months time

[cme2c]

The guy I spoke to at AVICCO indicated pricing would be similar to the GTI. A bit too far away to lock that in just yet, but enough to think pricing may not be too out of control.

That's good, although I do wonder how. Meanwhile, Auto Express has done a comparo Scirocco R v Megane RS250 v S3 v Focus RS.
http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/carreviews/grouptests/249259/vw_scirocco_r_vs_rivals.html.

In England at least the Megane is significantly cheaper that the Scirocco R, and it will be here in July or thereabouts. I recon the 'Roc looks better in pictures, but would have to see them both in the flesh.

Thanks for the sleuthing, Liam.

[Golf Loon]

hm, my father owns one in HK. I may ask him to bring it here in a few months time

He will still have to get it complianced by the workshop that has SEVS approval in Melbourne.

[phaeton]

Interesting info :)

[tee_off]

I wonder what the pricing will be...? Since it is produced in RHD, hopefully not as ridiculus as the RHD Import Camaro!!

[Golf Loon]

I reckon the client in Melbourne who will pay to import a sample scirocco is the bloke we bought Beaus rocco Mk2 off. He had imported 2 Mk2s and wrecked another 2 in England and brought all the parts here, most of which are now in my shed :)

He had been promised a new scirocco by his wife if he sold the 2 old ones.

He would have the time and persistance to import one.

[jayjay]

if you brought one in as a personal import would it need to go through SEVS , assuming there was a workshop in place for compliancing already?

[Spec83]

I don't believe SEVS is required if it a personal import... You used to have to replace seat belts, put in anti-intrusion bars and the like, but with all the safety things these days I imagine you may just have to put in a child seat anchoring point if there isn't already one.

[Pullstarter]

Personal Import you just have to prove ownership and usage for more than 12 months overseas. Pretty sure the UK spec Scirocco would meet all ADRs with no problems.

[Umai Naa!!]

http://www.nissansilvia.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=435114

One of the guys responsible for getting them here.

[Golf Loon]

Personal Import you just have to prove ownership and usage for more than 12 months overseas. Pretty sure the UK spec Scirocco would meet all ADRs with no problems.

My blue slip guy was saying this has now changed to 2 years overseas ownership.

[Golf Loon]

http://www.nissansilvia.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=435114

One of the guys responsible for getting them here.

Just on a point of note, the Corrado has been on SEVS for years and still no workshop is doing it.

The costs are so hight that the RAWs workshop would have to be sure of lots of sales before risking the money.

This is a good first step, but I will believe it when I see it. Which I hope I do :)

[Umai Naa!!]

When I spoke to Iron Chef a while back, he was considering bringing a Scirocco in for himself as a daily. We were looking into one too, but now we're having a baby instead. I do hope a few come here. I'm sure once a few do, a lot more will follow.

[guest12345]

The first Scirocco R to come to Australia!! (http://www.vwgolf.net.au/showthread.php?663-The-first-Scirocco-R-to-come-to-Australia)!!

[adrock]

This may have been covered before but I'm only new to VW. What's the reasoning in NZ having this model but not Oz?

[Buller_Scott]

it's because we are the world's backward laughing stock... good for making people laugh with antics about crocodiles and kangaroos, but not, according to our politicians, capable of driving something like the 'rocco without making it dangerous for other motorists.

simply pop it onto the list of things that make other countries laugh their asses off at us, like:

-cost of living in melbourne exceeds cost of living in inner city tokyo
-$400 snowboards overseas cost more than ONE THOUSAND DOLLARS here
-local car industry keeps persisting with DINOSAURS, thinking that a $500 discount will help make the decision to buy a car that uses $100/week more fuel, easier,

etc etc

[dodgey]

LOL, some people couldn't wait :D (Not me...)

Scuderia Imports/City Performance had a showing today...

http://gi123.photobucket.com/groups/o293/ORQKLF26RP/22052010065.jpg
http://gi123.photobucket.com/groups/o293/ORQKLF26RP/22052010066.jpg

[mikinoz]

Hot dang!!!!!

[Lima]

DO WANT!

More pics at AUSmotive. (http://www.ausmotive.com/2010/05/22/first-volkswagen-scirocco-r-arrives-in-australia.html)

[jasn78]

yeah its nice till u see the price.

Detail Paradise Forums-viewtopic-VW Scirocco launch (http://www.detailparadise.com.au/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=5814)

and trust detailers to find out about the launch first :)

[cme2c]

So, what else is out there for $70k? True, it should be cheaper, but that's what you pay for individual importing. It could be worse, look at the Camaros.

I know they are AWD, but a TTS is around $100k.

I am watching with interest

[goodfella]

here's another persective...
J-Spec Imports - VW Scirocco approved for SEVS (http://www.j-specimports.com.au/news/VW-Scirocco-approved-for-SEVS)

[team_v]

Geez, it looks horn and it's the R as well.
70k isn't too bad considering the camaro as said above.

Still, for 70k you can get an R36.

[Lima]

This may have been covered before but I'm only new to VW. What's the reasoning in NZ having this model but not Oz?

I don't know exactly, but it has a long history. And not just with Volkswagen.

My guess is that it probbaly has a lot to do with our Australian Design Rules which cars must meet to go on sale in our market. A couple of examples of how ADRs can affect locally sold cars imported from Europe.

1. ISOFIX child seat anchor points, where a baby seat pretty much just clicks into place, are good enough for Europe, but AFAIK they are still deemed unsuitable for Australia because the ADR states a child seat must have a tethered tie down point behind the seat. I do believe this rule is going to be changed so that ISOFIX points are legal, but not sure if it has happened yet.

2. When the MINI was first launched in Australia we were the only market in the world where the large central speedo was disallowed. The ADR at the time stipulated that any centrally mounted speedo needed to be angled towards the driver by no less than 12° or somesuch. I understand BMW lobbied to have that rule changed and as a result the second gen R56 MINI now has the speedo centrally mounted like the rest of the world.

Partly ADRs exist because we have a local manufacturing sector. That is, back in the day Holdens etc needed some guidelines to meet, and I'd say the ADRs are a hangover from that period. It is pretty naff that a car that is suitbale for sale in pretty much every other market in the world might need some sort of alteration before it can go on sale in Australia.

So, if you're an importer you're going to think twice about bringing cars here just to test the market if it means you need to invest some amount of money in aletring an otherwise perfectly good car just to satisfy ADRs.

Having said all that I reckon there's more to it from the Volkswagen side than potential ADR issues. Stuffed if I know what they are though. The Scirocco will steal sales from the GTI angle is one I've never understood and if any of our dealer friends on here have any theories as to why that is a problem I'd love to hear it.

I ordered my S3 a bit over 12 months ago now and the Mk6 GTI wasn't available. We already have a GTI in any case so buying another one was unlikely. But if a Scirocco was available, well instead of losing a sale to Audi, Volkswagen might have picked up a new sale from an existing customer. For all the sales "lost" to the GTI I dare say the Scirocco would pick up a few more as well.

I just don't get it, haha!

[OilBurna]

I'd be tempted at 45k

[adrock]

THanks for the explanations. Man, it looks horn! They'd bloody kill it out here I reckon.

[phantomcamel]

http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2010/03/VWSciroccoRexpected-1.jpg

... I wonder if this will simply force Volkswagen Australia's hand to import the car officially.

More at AUSmotive -> VW Scirocco one step closer to Australian shores (http://www.ausmotive.com/2010/03/11/exclusive-volkswagen-scirocco-one-step-closer-to-australian-shores.html)
The previous MD, Jutta Dierks, has ruled the Scirocco out for OZ. She believe she felt if provided with the same engine as the Golf GTi, it would into the GTi's market, therefore unless VW would offer it with a more powerfull engine she wasn't interest. Doubt that the new MD will chnage her mind.

[Tim]

If only these German women had more balls :kickballs:

[phantomcamel]

If only these German women had more balls :kickballs: I met Jutta - she has plenty of "balls" (just ask her husband); but she is a very good business woman & if there is no business case, there is no Sirocco.
She has been promoted to the US in the same role from "little OZ" - that shows you what a good job she (& her team ) did here :)

[Tim]

haha yeah i know.. Im just stirring :P

Unfortunately me, the consumer doesnt really care about their business case. Ill just sit here wanting what I want and hoping that someone is listening.

[phantomcamel]

haha yeah i know.. Im just stirring :P

Unfortunately me, the consumer doesnt really care about their business case. Ill just sit here wanting what I want and hoping that someone is listening. Hey, I'm with you. Would have like to see it too in OZ. Not the only "questionable" decission by the head office though. Britain has an "Off-road" version of the Tiguan WTF???

[Sharkie]

Now availabe Scirocco R DSGs

Scirocco R's now available in DSG from a dealer in Sydney .... $79990 driveaway .... see the latest (July) Motor magazine for details.

And yes, its grey imports from NZ (fully complainced) .... the dealer expects to sell 20 a year ....

[Tim]

Im watching this one very closely! Be interested to hear how much compliancing would cost if I was to source my own car though.. No doubt as second hand prices tumble more and more people will jump on board.

[static1800]

$80k for a Rocco R? j:

[Tim]

Certainly a hard price to swallow if the rumoured $50k pricepoint of the golf R is true.

[team_v]

Certainly a hard price to swallow if the rumoured $50k pricepoint of the golf R is true.

The price may put some people off but if you were looking at a TT, then why not look at the Scirocco?

It has enough power for street use and almost all of it's use would be on the street.
It would also be unlikely to depreciate very much duye to the limited number of imported cars.

Would be a bugger to get body parts for if you had an accident though.

[guest12345]

Now availabe Scirocco R DSGs

Scirocco R's now available in DSG from a dealer in Sydney .... $79990 driveaway .... see the latest (July) Motor magazine for details.

And yes, its grey imports from NZ (fully complainced) .... the dealer expects to sell 20 a year ....

Apmitchell has a sirocco R... not sure if he is on this forum, but he is on vwgolf.net.au... he imported one through Scuderia Imports (i think) here are some pics...
Scirocco R Preview | Scuderia Imports Atarmon | 22 May | Picture Thread (http://www.vwgolf.net.au/showthread.php?1033-Scirocco-R-Preview-|-Scuderia-Imports-Atarmon-|-22-May-|-Picture-Thread)

And i think that is the one on motor magazine if i remember right


$80k for a Rocco R? j:

And no it should be around 65-70k... i think from what i read ap paid 70k for it... but he was the 1st one, so the next ones should be cheaper...

[Tim]

The price may put some people off but if you were looking at a TT, then why not look at the Scirocco?




Dont get my wrong I would love a scirocco. But the compliancing and import costs inflate the pricing artificially. In other markets it is sold cheaper than the Golf R isnt it? So if you want one you will have to pay a 30k premium! I dont blame the importers for the high costs. Its not cheap to bring a car here.
Just saying that you would have to really really really really want one for that kind dosh. Unfortunately I only really really want one :P

The import business model will only really make sense once they start depreciating on the second hand car market in my opinion. We could then see a flood of them!

[guest12345]

20k premium for uniqueness!!! I got the pirelli over gti mk5/6 for that reason.

[OilBurna]

interesting news here they are quoting 45-55k landed and complied!!!

J-Spec Imports - VW Scirocco approved for SEVS (http://www.j-specimports.com.au/news/VW-Scirocco-approved-for-SEVS)

[guest12345]

I'm assuming 55k for the standard sirocco and not the R.

[McDub]

Apmitchell has a sirocco R... not sure if he is on this forum, but he is on vwgolf.net.au... he imported one through Scuderia Imports (i think) here are some pics...
Scirocco R Preview | Scuderia Imports Atarmon | 22 May | Picture Thread (http://www.vwgolf.net.au/showthread.php?1033-Scirocco-R-Preview-|-Scuderia-Imports-Atarmon-|-22-May-|-Picture-Thread)

And i think that is the one on motor magazine if i remember right





i saw a black scirocco R at City Performance in artarmon just then, damn what a hot car, it had black wheels on it though so don't think it was that one.

[Tim]

interesting news here they are quoting 45-55k landed and complied!!!

J-Spec Imports - VW Scirocco approved for SEVS (http://www.j-specimports.com.au/news/VW-Scirocco-approved-for-SEVS)

Nice! Ill love to have a chat to them and see what costs are involved if I was to source a car myself.

[gti]

There's a reason why I am sure as to why I haven't been close to this Forum for some time...last time I was here I brought the MKV GTI but at the time was very keen on the Scirocco.
Scirocco! I WANT!!!