Castrol Edge Sport

[docjames]

Due to corporate arrangements, we use Castrol lubricants for our cars.

Both the MkV GTI and 2.0FSI are due for servicing shortly.

Previously in the 2.0FSI we've used Castrol Edge Sport 5W30.

I note there is also a 0W30 in the "Edge Sport" range - what is the benefit (if any) of this?


Based in Brisbane, service annual as we both do <15000km/yr if that makes a difference (temperature/season wise).

Looking for opinions of which of the two above I should use in each car.

Thanks in advance.

[Diesel_vert]

Technically, compared to 5W-30 oils, a 0W-30 oil will flow quicker on start up and yet provide the same protection when at operating temperatures. But the viscosity rating of an oil is by no means an indicator of performance.

My opinion on oils:

The Australian-market Edge Sport 5W-30 will meet the minimum requirements for your engine. I personally wouldn't use it, but will meet warranty requirements.

Two better performing oils are Castrol Syntec 0W-30, available at PerformanceLub.com (http://www.performancelub.com/Castrol%20pricelist.htm). Seems like a good place to buy, see this thread (http://www.vwwatercooled.org.au/newforum/upload/showthread.php?t=40415). Also known as "GC" (German Castrol) by the people at Bob Is The Oil Guy (http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=718643) forums. Has a loyal following and rave about its performance.

The other great oil is Castrol SLX Professional Longlife III Powerflow 5W-30 which meets the latest VW spec 504.00/507.00. Should be available from the dealer but probably better off buying from a Castrol distributor because of dealer markup.

The Australian website doesn't show a 0W-30 oil in the "Edge Sport" range. Perhaps you are confused with the Euro-market "Castrol Edge 0W-30" - which would also be an excellent choice if you can get it.


All in all, I'd get the Syntec 0W-30. Mainly because its performance has been verified by the BITOG forum, is excellent value for money at $14.00 per quart ($14.80 per litre) and easy to obtain if bought from PL.

[docjames]

Thanks for the very comprehensive answer.

Can I use SLX longlife III in both cars?

[Diesel_vert]

Yes, you can. Same goes for the other oils I've mentioned.

[johnvw]

Diesel_vert.
Really interesting to read your comments in regard to castrol edge sport 5W-30 meeting minimum requirements only.
I use this oil in a Vw Golf Gti 2007 2.0L T and planned to use the same in a new Audi A4B8 2010.
Both engines are petrol and oil is changed every six months ( March and September), so I`m an old guy.
With these regular oil changes would you still prefer Castrol Syntec 0W-30.
Does PL have minimum oil quantity orders, the site is a little light on for info.
Best regards
John

[Transporter]

If the engine manufacturer specify lowest viscosity oil 5W30 than you can't use 0W30 oil unless it is VW approved specs oil (inc.viscosity). Usually you can go higher in the oil viscosity (but not too much) when the engine is more loose or worn out. You will find out that all the oils in VW504.00/507.00 specs are 5W30 viscosity. Please note, that term VW approved oil means something different than the term meeting manufacturer specs (it is self proclaimed by oil manufacturer) and Castrol SLX Professional Long life III Powerflow 5W-30 is VW approved for 504.00/507.00

In other words; Oils that only states: meet, meet or exceed, made to specifications are not VW approved oils, at least not the latest oils for the latest cars.
And I don't think that you will be able to buy Castrol SLX Professional Long life III Powerflow 5W-30 VW 504.00/507.00 from the Castrol directly.

[Diesel_vert]

Really interesting to read your comments in regard to castrol edge sport 5W-30 meeting minimum requirements only.
I use this oil in a Vw Golf Gti 2007 2.0L T and planned to use the same in a new Audi A4B8 2010.

To expand further, Edge Sport 5W-30 is a 502.00/505.00 approved oil, which is a dual petrol/diesel spec introduced in 1997 - a time before long drain intervals, strict emissions laws and the much reduced wear limits of today.

503.01 is a petrol spec which was introduced in 2000 and designed for the higher output motors at the time (mainly used by high performance Audis) and is a much more robust spec. Syntec 0W-30 is 503.01 approved, as well as 502.00/505.00 by default.

504.00/507.00 was introduced in 2004 to combine all existing petrol/diesel oils into one spec. It currently boasts the toughest specs and, for your purposes, supersedes all previous oil specs.



Both engines are petrol and oil is changed every six months ( March and September), so I`m an old guy.
With these regular oil changes would you still prefer Castrol Syntec 0W-30.

It would make the most sense to use only one oil suitable for both VAG engines, so we need to determine what engine has the highest minimum requirement and use that as the baseline. We already know 502.00/505.00 is the minimum requirement for the Golf, so that leaves the A4.

If your Audi's minimum requirement is 504.00/507.00 then you would be better off buying SLX Longlife III 5W-30 in bulk and save (20L canister), direct from a Castrol distributor and use it in both cars. Or any 504.00/507.00 oil you fancy (Mobil 1 ESP 5W-30 would be nice).

On the other hand if your Audi's minimum requirement is just 502.00/505.00, then you have the option of using Syntec 0W-30 - if it works out to be significantly cheaper than the 504.00/507.00 in bulk.


Does PL have minimum oil quantity orders, the site is a little light on for info.
Best regards

You have to send them an e-mail as outlined on this page (http://www.performancelub.com/How%20to%20Order.htm). They also trade on eBay (http://shop.ebay.com.au/wyninweis/m.html).

[johnvw]

Dear Deisel_vert,
Many thanks for this information, I will check Audi`s specs, still change the oil as regular, and possibly change to a more suitable oil
Regards
John

[Catfish]

This is all good info.

I've deduced from the Mobil site that (confusingly) there is a Mobil 1 5W-30 that doesn't appear to meet 504/507 and a Mobil 1 ESP Formula 5W-30 that does. Is this correct?

My main question is - where can I buy the ESP version? My local (ACT) Supercheap and Autobarn only have the 'ordinary' one and don't seen to know about the other.

Thanks in advance.

[Catfish]

To make the above relevant to this thread: I'm currently using Edge Sport 5W-30, but have heard good things about Mobil 1 (including in this forum) and want to give it a go.

[Transporter]

This is all good info.

I've deduced from the Mobil site that (confusingly) there is a Mobil 1 5W-30 that doesn't appear to meet 504/507 and a Mobil 1 ESP Formula 5W-30 that does. Is this correct?

My main question is - where can I buy the ESP version? My local (ACT) Supercheap and Autobarn only have the 'ordinary' one and don't seen to know about the other.

Thanks in advance.

From your local Mobil oil distributor, the good price is around $240 inc GST for 20L drum. There is also Penrite Enviro+ 5W30 in 5L or 1L bottles, that is VW approved and cost around $60 inc GST(for 5L) if you shop around.

[Diesel_vert]

I've deduced from the Mobil site that (confusingly) there is a Mobil 1 5W-30 that doesn't appear to meet 504/507 and a Mobil 1 ESP Formula 5W-30 that does. Is this correct?

I believe almost every Audi/Seat/Skoda/Volkswagen*, as well as BMW, Mercedes and Porsche, require an oil with a high temperature / high shear (HTHS) viscosity of > 3.5 mPa.s

Luckily, there is a quick method of determining this. If the oil meets either ACEA A3/B3, A3/B4, C3, or C4, it has a HTHS of >3.5. Mobil 1 ESP Formula 5W-30 (http://www.mobil.com/Australia-English/Lubes/PDS/GLXXENPVLMOMobil_1_ESP_Formula_5W-30.asp) has a HTHS of 3.56, so it is perfectly acceptable.

If it meets either ACEA A1/B1, A5/B5, C1, or C2, then the HTHS is <3.5. Mobil 1 5W-30 (http://www.mobil.com/Australia-English/Lubes/PDS/GLXXENPVLMOMobil1_5W-30.asp) has a HTHS of 3.06, so that means we cannot use it, as it is too thin.

As you can see, it's not as simple as using any 5W-30 oil. But frankly, I'm not too sure if the average consumer can be bothered to know all this! I suppose the safest option is to use oils with VW approvals.


My main question is - where can I buy the ESP version? My local (ACT) Supercheap and Autobarn only have the 'ordinary' one and don't seen to know about the other.

It would be convenient if Mobil sold it here in 4L or 5L bottles like they do in Europe, but it'll certainly be much better value buying in bulk anyway, as indicated by Transporter. Send Mobil an e-mail and they'll point you to your nearest distributor.



*except for engines that call for VW 503.00/506.00/506.01

[coastie]

*except for engines that call for VW 503.00/506.00/506.01

So what is suitable for the 506.00, can the 507.00 be used in that diesel? Is the number ranking backwards compatible i.e the higher the number covers the lower number.?

[Transporter]

*except for engines that call for VW 503.00/506.00/506.01

So what is suitable for the 506.00, can the 507.00 be used in that diesel? Is the number ranking backwards compatible i.e the higher the number covers the lower number.?

Yes, the 504.00/507.00 supersedes all previous specifications except Unit Injector (PD) R5/V10 diesels engines made before 2006 and without DPF which must use VW506.01

[Diesel_vert]

It seems there's always an exception when it comes to VW oil specs.

I should clarify that I just wanted to cover all bases, as unlike all the other VW oil specs, I believe that 503.00/506.00 and 503.00/506.00/506.01 are the only two that specify a HTHS of < 3.5 (min. > 2.9)

In any case, 504.00/507.00 does indeed supersede all previous specs, except (there's that word again) the R5 and V10 TDI engines up to 06/2006, which must use 503.00/506.00/506.01 regardless of service regime and with or without DPF.

Edit - beaten!

[darkfriend]

I find all of this very confusing. It kind of makes the price of a service worth it just so you don't have to worry about using the wrong oil!

[Diesel_vert]

Problem is, getting your car serviced at the dealer is no guarantee that they'll use 504/507 oils.

But anyway, those with FSI or TSI engines only need to look for 504.00/507.00 on the label - if it isn't there, don't buy/use it. Can't get much easier than that, really.

[darkfriend]

After reading the things in this thread and others, looks like I'll try some Penrite enviro+ 5W30. It appears approved for the 118TSI and people here seem to think it's pretty good. Can get it from a couple of places in Perth.

Question though- If you have have your car serviced somewhere and need an oil change, will they use oil that you supply if you ask them to?

Thanks

[Diesel_vert]

If they don't, then that's reason enough not to get your car serviced there.

[Paul_OH]

Problem is, getting your car serviced at the dealer is no guarantee that they'll use 504/507 oils.

But anyway, those with FSI or TSI engines only need to look for 504.00/507.00 on the label - if it isn't there, don't buy/use it. Can't get much easier than that, really.

Eg, the local VW dealer uses Mobil Super S 10w40 in Petrol cars however it is a VW 505.00 (Diesel spec) compliant oil :monkeypiss:






ps I've always wanted to use that smilie - excuse the irrelevance :cool:

[Diesel_vert]

:duh:

Maybe they reserve the 504/507 oil for the FSI & TSI engines only... but I wouldn't get my hopes up, that's for sure.

[gonsped]

I was shopping for my first oil change in Supercheap Auto. I noticed in the VW approved oil list in MK6GTi.com it mentioned "Castrol Edge 5W-30". There was a product of this name - but - on the back of the bottle, it does not certify it as 504.00/507.00.

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There was literally no other oil there except the Shell Helix Ultra Extra 5W-30 (http://www.shell.com.au/home/content/aus/products_services/on_the_road/oils_lubricants/helix/product_range/ultra/) that was 504.00/507.00 certified in the back label.

Even the Mobil 1 5W-30 is not the "ESP" type (504.00/507.00 certified).

[Diesel_vert]

I was shopping for my first oil change in Supercheap Auto. I noticed in the VW approved oil list in MK6GTi.com it mentioned "Castrol Edge 5W-30". There was a product of this name - but - on the back of the bottle, it does not certify it as 504.00/507.00.

The official VAG oil lists are worldwide and not region specific, which means that not every oil on the list is available in every country - that's at the lubricant manufacturer's discretion.

One should also note that the list does not differentiate from retail, bulk, distributor, or wholesale availability.

Also, some manufacturers (e.g. Castrol) sell and market different lubricants according to region;
- Castrol EDGE 5W-30 (504.00/507.00) (http://datasheets.bp.com/bpglis/FusionPDS.nsf/0/9E752AB7790EE78C802578DA00620D2A/$file/BPXE-8K8KRD_0.pdf) only appears to be distributed and sold in the E.U. for retail.
- Castrol EDGE 5W-30 A3/B4 (502.00/505.00) (http://www.tds.castrol.com.au/pdf%5C10608_CASTROL%20EDGE_5W-30%20A3B4_3374731_2011_09.pdf) is distributed and sold in Australia and perhaps the rest of Asia/Oceania as well.

The only 504/507 oils distributed by Castrol in Australia are;
- Castrol EDGE Professional Longlife III 5W-30
- Castrol SLX Professional Powerflow Longlife III 5W-30
But I don't think they are meant for retail, and probably only available from a distributor or a VAG dealer.


There was literally no other oil there except the Shell Helix Ultra Extra 5W-30 (http://www.shell.com.au/home/content/aus/products_services/on_the_road/oils_lubricants/helix/product_range/ultra/) that was 504.00/507.00 certified in the back label.

Even the Mobil 1 5W-30 is not the "ESP" type (504.00/507.00 certified).

I don't think M1 ESP 5W-30 is available for retail yet, but people have seen Liqui-Moly Top Tec 4200 5W-30 at Autobarn and Penrite Enviro+ 5W-30 at Repco. There is also a thread in the sticky of the Mk6 Golf forum, listing the oils that are distributed in Australia.

In any case, the brand or name of oil doesn't really matter - just look for "VW 504.00 / 507.00 approved" on the bottle and you're set.

[gonsped]

Thanks for the detailed explanation DV :)

[Finance_Analyst]

I used that one on my car and it seems to be ok. If I recall, isn't 502 acceptable for a GTI in the manual?

[Diesel_vert]

I used that one on my car and it seems to be ok. If I recall, isn't 502 acceptable for a GTI in the manual?

You are correct.

502.00 is acceptable not just for the Golf, but for all models not on the variable service regime - which AFAIK is the case for all Australian delivered vehicles.

[gonsped]

I just called the Mobil 1 supplier here in Eagle Farm, Brisbane - turns out you can get the 504.00/507.00 VW certified, Mobil 1 ESP Formula 5W-30 engine oil for $233 incl. GST for a 20L drum/can. That is good for at least 5 oil changes on my vehicle.

This works out to be under $60 for 5L. Considering Supercheap sells the standard 5L 5W-30 for $85, that is a 30% saving!

I might pick one up later this week.

[gonsped]

Just wondering, changing my oil every 7,500km at my current rate of driving will take about 1 year to finish the whole 20L drum. In the meantime, as the oil level gets lower and the air replaces the oil - will there be a problem with humidity = water content in the oil?

Would holding oil for 1 year (opened bottle) pose a problem?

[gecko2k]

I believe some manufacturers claim about 12 months after opening. the easiest way would be to contact Mobile through their website and then post the response here on the forum :cookie:

[hooba]

Just wondering, changing my oil every 7,500km at my current rate of driving will take about 1 year to finish the whole 20L drum. In the meantime, as the oil level gets lower and the air replaces the oil - will there be a problem with humidity = water content in the oil?

Oil and water don't mix. However if you did get any moisture into it (not unlike what you get in the engine anyway once it cools down as a by product of the combustion process), it would evaporate off the first time you ran the engine at operating temperature for a short period.

[Finance_Analyst]

On this topic, my understanding that 504 is only relevant for those who stretch their service intervals out longer (hence reference to 'long life').

Given that most of us do it shorter (7,500km or 6 months), 502 is ample which is the off the shelf Castrol stuff.

[Diesel_vert]

On this topic, my understanding that 504 is only relevant for those who stretch their service intervals out longer (hence reference to 'long life').

Given that most of us do it shorter (7,500km or 6 months), 502 is ample which is the off the shelf Castrol stuff.

For vehicles on the variable service regime, the use of an approved 504 oil is mandatory.

For vehicles on the fixed service regime, the use of an approved 502 oil is mandatory, but one may still use a 504 oil if they wish. :)

[Finance_Analyst]

Just came back from Repco (as it is 20% off today) and managed to score Shell Helix 5W-30 motor oil, which is VW 504 rated. Not many off the shelf oils are rated 504 from what I saw. The guy at Repco reckons the Shell is better than Castrol - even Mobil 1 5W-30 isn't rated 502 or 504.

Anyway the Shell Helix came out to $56 after discount so bargain.

[gavs]

Mobil 1 0W-40 is 502 rated. Weird that the 5W-30 isn't.

[Diesel_vert]

Mobil 1 0W-40 is 502 rated. Weird that the 5W-30 isn't.

Mobil 1 5W-30 (http://www.mobil.com/Australia-English/Lubes/PDS/GLXXENPVLMOMobil1_5W-30.aspx)

and

Mobil 1 ESP Formula 5W-30 (http://www.mobil.com/Australia-English/Lubes/PDS/GLXXENPVLMOMobil_1_ESP_Formula_5W-30.aspx)

are two very different oils, which are formulated to meet totally different OEM specifications and service requirements. :)


Mobil 1 0W-40 (http://www.mobil.com/Australia-English/Lubes/PDS/GLXXENPVLMOMobil_1_0W-40.aspx) actually has more in common with M1 5W-30 ESP, in regards for its intended market (European vehicles). Even it's viscosity specifications more closely match. But unlike M1 5W-30 ESP, it's a full-SAPS oil.

[Transporter]

On this topic, my understanding that 504 is only relevant for those who stretch their service intervals out longer (hence reference to 'long life').

Given that most of us do it shorter (7,500km or 6 months), 502 is ample which is the off the shelf Castrol stuff.

Yeh, you would be just complying with the MINIMUM factory requirements for some engines. It's all good when you don't want to keep your car for long time, (sell it when the warranty runs out). Comparing to the price of the new car, I don’t know if the saving of $20.00 once a year would be worth it. :?

[Finance_Analyst]

Yeh, you would be just complying with the MINIMUM factory requirements for some engines. It's all good when you don't want to keep your car for long time, (sell it when the warranty runs out). Comparing to the price of the new car, I don’t know if the saving of $20.00 once a year would be worth it. :?

Of course I am no mechanic so I'd defer to your better judgement on this one.

But from my reading, isn't 504 made for long life - so that people who want to drive BEYOND the 15,000km/1 yr interval can do so? In that case, 502 is not sufficient. But for the most of us, if we change well within that range (5,000km/6 mths) 502 or 504 would suffice as the benefits of 504 (which I thought was only long life use) would be redundant... Given how rare 504 oil is to buy off the shelf (even the $100 Mobil 1 0-40W is 502) and that Oz conditions are not recommended by VW for long life intervals, 502 would be sufficient (or else VW wouldn't say so)

[Transporter]

Of course I am no mechanic so I'd defer to your better judgement on this one.

But from my reading, isn't 504 made for long life - so that people who want to drive BEYOND the 15,000km/1 yr interval can do so? In that case, 502 is not sufficient. But for the most of us, if we change well within that range (5,000km/6 mths) 502 or 504 would suffice as the benefits of 504 (which I thought was only long life use) would be redundant... Given how rare 504 oil is to buy off the shelf (even the $100 Mobil 1 0-40W is 502) and that Oz conditions are not recommended by VW for long life intervals, 502 would be sufficient (or else VW wouldn't say so)

The short answer to your question is that, you should always use the highest specs oil for your engine. It will keep the engine clean on the inside and with less wear, so it stays in the peak condition for longest possible time. When VW tests the oil before they approve it for VW504.00/507.00 they put the oil through the different testing conditions than 502.00 .
But hey as I said if you keep your car for short time then you may never see any benefit.

The engine that is running on the clean oil will have less deposits in the top piston rings groves, resulting in a better performance, better fuel economy and less blow by gases in the engine oil sump. The oil additives in the oil will last longer keeping the engine clean and reliable. :)

[Finance_Analyst]

The short answer to your question is that, you should always use the highest specs oil for your engine. It will keep the engine clean on the inside and with less wear, so it stays in the peak condition for longest possible time. When VW tests the oil before they approve it for VW504.00/507.00 they put the oil through the different testing conditions than 502.00 .
But hey as I said if you keep your car for short time then you may never see any benefit.

The engine that is running on the clean oil will have less deposits in the top piston rings groves, resulting in a better performance, better fuel economy and less blow by gases in the engine oil sump. The oil additives in the oil will last longer keeping the engine clean and reliable. :)

Thanks mate. I do plan on keeping it for a while so I will go back to 504 in future. I have two lots of 504 Shell Helix anyway so all good! I just wonder why 504 oil is so hard to get off the shelf - is that like commercial grade only for Castrol and Mobil?

At least this 502 Castrol is only there till June when I service it again.

[Diesel_vert]

I just wonder why 504 oil is so hard to get off the shelf - is that like commercial grade only for Castrol and Mobil?

I believe that is solely to do with the distributor of the lubricant manufacturer for each region or country.

You will find many lubricants in Europe that are not sold in Australia due to what I imagine is a different supply and demand situation.

For example in Europe, you would expect to see a wide variety of 504/507 approved oils from different brands on supermarket shelves, where probably every 3rd passenger vehicle on the road over there is a Volkswagen.

That is obviously not the case in Australia, where Volkswagen (whilst fast on the rise) is still comparatively uncommon here, so having a bunch of oils specific to VW in dinky 1L or 5L bottles taking up retail space wouldn't be at all justified.

Hence why many 504/507 oils are sold to dealerships in bulk drums, where they are the only ones which generate enough turnover to actually justify having it in Australia.

However in Sydney at least, I've seen Liqui-Moly Top Tec 4200 5W-30 and Penrite Enviro+ 5W-30 at Autobarn. You can also mail order Mobil 1 ESP Formula 5W-30 here (link (http://www.gllubricants.com/)) and here (link (http://stores.ebay.com.au/Harold-PerformanceLUB)). I'm sure you could also get Castrol EDGE Professional Longlife III 5W-30 or Castrol SLX Professional Powerflow Longlife III 5W-30 from your local Audi, Skoda or VW dealer.

[Finance_Analyst]

However in Sydney at least, I've seen Liqui-Moly Top Tec 4200 5W-30 and Penrite Enviro+ 5W-30 at Autobarn. You can also mail order Mobil 1 ESP Formula 5W-30 here (link (http://www.gllubricants.com/)) and here (link (http://stores.ebay.com.au/Harold-PerformanceLUB)). I'm sure you could also get Castrol EDGE Professional Longlife III 5W-30 or Castrol SLX Professional Powerflow Longlife III 5W-30 from your local Audi, Skoda or VW dealer.

Thanks mate. Although I would think the castrol bought via the dealer is probably 30% more expensive than what you could get elsewhere, not withstanding that you can go to Repco on a 20% sale day and get the 504 Penrite or Shell Helix...

[Diesel_vert]

Thanks mate. Although I would think the castrol bought via the dealer is probably 30% more expensive than what you could get elsewhere, not withstanding that you can go to Repco on a 20% sale day and get the 504 Penrite or Shell Helix...

You would think right. :)
Having said that, this bloke managed to score some Castrol 504/507 @ $78 for 5L. (http://www.vwwatercooled.org.au/forums/f77/vw504-507-oils-available-50299.html#post697111) :dance:

On the flip side, from what I've read some charged up to $130, so I suppose it depends on which dealer you visit - keep an open mind I guess...

[ian]

What should a Vw owner expect when they get their car serviced,The owners specifications hand book clearly states that the oil used in late model Vw diesel must be 504/507 long life oil on a 12 month service.
I recently had my 2009 golf Gt diesel serviced at an independentt Vw service centre as it was only a oil and filter change ,i watched from the doorway to my surprise i saw the oil being taken from a blue 200 liter drum with Atlantic oil stamped on the side and 10w40 synthetic
on the label ,i told the mechanic that was not the right oil for my car but explained that it had been refilled with 507 ,on returning home i rang Atlantic and voiced my concerns, They told me it was not the right oil for my car and would ring the service centre as it would wreck my engine, i then rang the service centre and he said the mechanic had made a mistake and bring it back and he would make sure i had the right oil in the car 504/507 castrol professionalong lifefe 3,
I returned the car and the service centre owner went off to get the right oil from supercheap when he returned he had 3 5litre containers of Castrol edge Titanium 5w30 he assured my it was 504/507 oil as he walked past i walked into the workshop to read one of the labels which clearly stated it was only 502/504.
When i got home i rang the Castrol technical help line and was imformed the oil was for pre 2006 diesel engines with out a DPF ,and the oil would damage my DPF if i left it in my car, I again rang the service centre and was told it was Castrol professiolong lifelife oil he had bought from Supercheap and the oil in my car was the right oil .
So i rang Supercheap and they told me they have never sold that oil and European car service centres can stock it like VW Audi Skoda and the like ,
So what oil is really in your car, we take it for granted that the service centres are doing the right thing and using the right oil, but are they a quick check on the Super cheap sits shows that Castrol edge Titanium 5w30 is on special for $58 yet they have Shell helix ultra for $70 at repco which i bought to day,
This will be the third oil change ive had to have in 200km, if i hadn't observed the wrong oil being put in my car in the first place i would of been non the wiser.

[Transporter]

Thanks mate. Although I would think the castrol bought via the dealer is probably 30% more expensive than what you could get elsewhere, not withstanding that you can go to Repco on a 20% sale day and get the 504 Penrite or Shell Helix...

There is also Liqui Moly oil at some shops that is reasonably priced and made in Germany. :)

[Diesel_vert]

What should a Vw owner expect when they get their car serviced,The owners specifications hand book clearly states that the oil used in late model Vw diesel must be 504/507 long life oil on a 12 month service.
I recently had my 2009 golf Gt diesel serviced at an independentt Vw service centre as it was only a oil and filter change ,i watched from the doorway to my surprise i saw the oil being taken from a blue 200 liter drum with Atlantic oil stamped on the side and 10w40 synthetic
on the label ,i told the mechanic that was not the right oil for my car but explained that it had been refilled with 507 ,on returning home i rang Atlantic and voiced my concerns, They told me it was not the right oil for my car and would ring the service centre as it would wreck my engine, i then rang the service centre and he said the mechanic had made a mistake and bring it back and he would make sure i had the right oil in the car 504/507 castrol professionalong lifefe 3,
I returned the car and the service centre owner went off to get the right oil from supercheap when he returned he had 3 5litre containers of Castrol edge Titanium 5w30 he assured my it was 504/507 oil as he walked past i walked into the workshop to read one of the labels which clearly stated it was only 502/504.
When i got home i rang the Castrol technical help line and was imformed the oil was for pre 2006 diesel engines with out a DPF ,and the oil would damage my DPF if i left it in my car, I again rang the service centre and was told it was Castrol professiolong lifelife oil he had bought from Supercheap and the oil in my car was the right oil .
So i rang Supercheap and they told me they have never sold that oil and European car service centres can stock it like VW Audi Skoda and the like ,
So what oil is really in your car, we take it for granted that the service centres are doing the right thing and using the right oil, but are they a quick check on the Super cheap sits shows that Castrol edge Titanium 5w30 is on special for $58 yet they have Shell helix ultra for $70 at repco which i bought to day,
This will be the third oil change ive had to have in 200km, if i hadn't observed the wrong oil being put in my car in the first place i would of been non the wiser.

Hi ian, I've sent a PM.

But yeah, they've basically used the wrong the type of oil. 502/505 oil is not suitable for any Mk5 Golf with a diesel engine - regardless whether it is equipped with a DPF!

[Getti]

Diesel_vert, your knowledge of oil is impressive!

I understand the long term importance of using the right oil and the best quality oil. So after reading this thread, the general consensus seems to be that while manual for my MKV GTI states that 502 is ok, 504/507 is better and therefore preferred.

Are all 504/507 oils pretty much the same or suitable? I know that Shell Helix is one of the few on the shelf that seem to be 504/507 approved. In short, is there one brand of oil that you would choose that can be purchased off the shelf, is 504/507 approved and suited to a MKV GTI?

Also, if the dealer was to use 502 during the service (I am not sure what they used) and then I top up between services with 504/507, is this ok?

[Diesel_vert]

Diesel_vert, your knowledge of oil is impressive!

Would now be a bad time to state the usual disclaimer regarding advice from the internet? ;)


I understand the long term importance of using the right oil and the best quality oil. So after reading this thread, the general consensus seems to be that while manual for my MKV GTI states that 502 is ok, 504/507 is better and therefore preferred.

Are all 504/507 oils pretty much the same or suitable? I know that Shell Helix is one of the few on the shelf that seem to be 504/507 approved. In short, is there one brand of oil that you would choose that can be purchased off the shelf, is 504/507 approved and suited to a MKV GTI?

Any oil that says "VW 504/507 approved" on the label (which means that it has passed VW's internal certification process) is fine. The benefit of any OEM oil certification system is that you are guaranteed a certain level of performance, as dictated by the OEM test requirements (as long as the OEM tests actually reflect real-life conditions! :P). Anyway, this gives you the freedom to choose your favourite brand of oil, without the need to wonder whether it will be suitable or not.

Though unlike Europe, obviously the concept doesn't work as well in Australia given the limited amount of choice.



As for off-the-shelf availability, so far I've seen Liqui-Moly Top Tec 4200 5W-30 (Autobarn), Penrite Enviro+ 5W-30 (Aussie company :thumbup:), and Shell Helix Ultra Extra 5W-30 in Sydney.

I'm partial to Liqui-Moly, but only because it's German, and of their novelty value in Australia (yeah, not a serious reason I know). :cookie:

Mobil 1 ESP Formula 5W-30 (@ $13 per litre = $65/5L) represents excellent value at GL Lubricants if you live in Sydney and can pick up (shipping is extra).


Also, if the dealer was to use 502 during the service (I am not sure what they used) and then I top up between services with 504/507, is this ok?

Yes, it should be okay.

[gavs]

What should a Vw owner expect when they get their car serviced,The owners specifications hand book clearly states that the oil used in late model Vw diesel must be 504/507 long life oil on a 12 month service.
I recently had my 2009 golf Gt diesel serviced at an independentt Vw service centre as it was only a oil and filter change ,i watched from the doorway to my surprise i saw the oil being taken from a blue 200 liter drum with Atlantic oil stamped on the side and 10w40 synthetic
on the label ,i told the mechanic that was not the right oil for my car but explained that it had been refilled with 507 ,on returning home i rang Atlantic and voiced my concerns, They told me it was not the right oil for my car and would ring the service centre as it would wreck my engine, i then rang the service centre and he said the mechanic had made a mistake and bring it back and he would make sure i had the right oil in the car 504/507 castrol professionalong lifefe 3,
I returned the car and the service centre owner went off to get the right oil from supercheap when he returned he had 3 5litre containers of Castrol edge Titanium 5w30 he assured my it was 504/507 oil as he walked past i walked into the workshop to read one of the labels which clearly stated it was only 502/504.
When i got home i rang the Castrol technical help line and was imformed the oil was for pre 2006 diesel engines with out a DPF ,and the oil would damage my DPF if i left it in my car, I again rang the service centre and was told it was Castrol professiolong lifelife oil he had bought from Supercheap and the oil in my car was the right oil .
So i rang Supercheap and they told me they have never sold that oil and European car service centres can stock it like VW Audi Skoda and the like ,
So what oil is really in your car, we take it for granted that the service centres are doing the right thing and using the right oil, but are they a quick check on the Super cheap sits shows that Castrol edge Titanium 5w30 is on special for $58 yet they have Shell helix ultra for $70 at repco which i bought to day,
This will be the third oil change ive had to have in 200km, if i hadn't observed the wrong oil being put in my car in the first place i would of been non the wiser.

That's a terrible experience ian, and this is why I have spoken with the dealership I will be getting my car serviced at and they have assured me that they are more than happy to put any oil I bring in with the car in the engine, so long as it's an approved 504/507 oil which is why I will be supplying a bottle of Liqui Moly Top Tech 4200 with the car at service time:)

[ian]

Ive just finished changing the oil to the right type 504/507, the vehicle has had 3 oil changes now in 250km ,the last one the oil has done only 50 km
If any one want a free 4.5 literss of 502/504 syntheticc oil it yours for free just pick it up in St Marys NSW.
Just send me a PM

[Transporter]

Ive just finished changing the oil to the right type 504/507, the vehicle has had 3 oil changes now in 250km ,the last one the oil has done only 50 km
If any one want a free 4.5 literss of 502/504 syntheticc oil it yours for free just pick it up in St Marys NSW.
Just send me a PM

Is it the oil that you've drained from your engine? If yes, I wouldn't recommend using it in another engine mate, the oil is already dark and containing the pollutants from your crankcase.

[ian]

Is it the oil that you've drained from your engine? If yes, I wouldn't recommend using it in another engine mate, the oil is already dark and containing the pollutants from your crankcase.

It couldn't be as bad as someone who has just done 15,000 ,and was a bit short of cash after all its only done 50 km.