2011 Build Mk6 GTI - LED Lights, Push Button Start? [Archive]

Pauly

03-02-2010, 02:37 PM

Hey guys,

I know with each new year build on cars, they generally add a few very minor updates to them.

I heard awhile back that the 2011 Build cars for the Mk6 GTI, which normally start coming into the country after July. Will start coming with the LED Rear Tail lights and push button start (smart key entry?)

Has anyone heard anything regarding this from overseas versions of the GTI?

elisiX

03-02-2010, 02:45 PM

2011 'build' wont be until 2011. MY2011 might start from July however.

As for LED rears? I doubt it. Push button perhaps.

Pauly

03-02-2010, 02:55 PM

2011 'build' wont be until 2011. MY2011 might start from July however.

As for LED rears? I doubt it. Push button perhaps.

Sorry I stand corrected.

Where did these rumors start? as I cant seem to find any country which is selling the GTI with Smart Keys and push button start?

and have any dealers on here, or anyone for that fact, heard anything about LED Rear Lights being even an option on the MY2011 builds?

Mk6 GTI

03-02-2010, 03:02 PM

I have seen a picture of the R with Push button start..

Pauly

03-02-2010, 03:11 PM

I found a picture here:

http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2010/02/16vwgolfr20live-1.jpg

from here:

http://forums.vwvortex.com/zerothread?id=4610689&page=1

any further information on this?

limmy

03-02-2010, 03:30 PM

my understanding was that the passat line in the US had smart key option...maybe they are replicating this for the Golf R in the US only? hence the pic?

Corey_R

03-02-2010, 03:36 PM

Mk6 GTI

03-02-2010, 03:38 PM

Dave8878

03-02-2010, 03:43 PM

Not heard anything about it on the dealer front, I'll post if I do!

elisiX

03-02-2010, 03:48 PM

Interesting that there is a Golf R picture above with the push button start?

Do we know if the NZ R has it? (seeing as its out already)

ope126

03-02-2010, 03:52 PM

my understanding was that the passat line in the US had smart key option...maybe they are replicating this for the Golf R in the US only? hence the pic?

Not sure if it is just for Passat's, however the system is called KESSY.
Here is a link;
http://www.volkswagen.de/vwcms/master_public/virtualmaster/en2/experience/innovation/technical_glossary/kessy_locking_and.index.html

As for the starter button, it looks Photoshoped!

nuganen

03-02-2010, 04:10 PM

Even the toyota corrolla has push to start lol

Im about to pay 3 times the amout of a corrolla for a GTI and its still using the regular old fashioned key! lol

Not that its a big deal. My GFs 1 series has it and i dont know if i like it.. I just feel a little left behind!!

its only the top of the line Corolla that you get the push buttons and they cost in the high 20

PassatB6

03-02-2010, 04:15 PM

Not sure if it is just for Passat's, however the system is called KESSY.
Here is a link;
http://www.volkswagen.de/vwcms/master_public/virtualmaster/en2/experience/innovation/technical_glossary/kessy_locking_and.index.html

As for the starter button, it looks Photoshoped!

VW has had KESSY as an option in Europe at least since the MK IV Golf.

ope126

03-02-2010, 04:26 PM

VW has had KESSY as an option in Europe at least since the MK IV Golf.

Correct...:banana:

Wish we had it here though.:mad:

ricksterrr

03-02-2010, 05:28 PM

The rumours for both of these originated several months ago from the frankfurt motorshow where they showed the R, and also from the Worthersee Edition GTI which had the LED rear lights.

However, after these rumours started VW then announced that the LED rear lights would be a VW option or accessory for GTI's - practically killing any chance that they will be a standard inclusion on the GTI.

As for the push button start/smart entry - I have never seen anything officially stated about this in relation to the Golf.

Actually in addition to the R, there was actually a Mk 6 GTI at the Frankfurt Motor show last year with LED rear lights and push button start.... this really got the guys and gals on the UK forum excited and further fueled speculation about VW adding these features in future GTI model revisions...

As per Coreying's comment, I don't think there has been anything official from VW about introducing the push button start/stop as standard kit

I just did a quick research and this is the forum posts he's talking about:
http://www.golfgtiforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=130374.20

It's pretty interesting as there are pictures in the UK GTI forum with what appears LED lights of GTI on the Frankfurt motorshow floor.

I would love for these to be on the AU model of the GTI but i would highly doubt it.

Video of the GTI with the LED and start/stop button seems like a weird place to put it but that's just me. The GTI comes in around the 5:45 min mark. Enjoy!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=evSorFW63YI

roy

03-02-2010, 07:06 PM

i can't see any dramatic cost increase on start/stop button and led tail lights...it'll be great if they can provide these tech

windmagnet

04-02-2010, 08:19 AM

I think LEDs are available as an option for GTI in Germany (E350) but are not available in UK.

LED tail lights can be purchased as parts via internet but they are very exy. Also because they draw less power a fault will show up in the MFD as the system thinks the bulbs have failed. Apparently there is a wired in fix for this (from Fiscon?) but for some reason it only suits left hand drive cars.

Although they are available in Germany, I can't see the LED's being offered in the Mk6 GTI in Aus as the R is getting lots of criticism for not standing out enough already and the LEDs are one key point of difference. I suppose it will depend on whether the R's sell like hot cakes or can't be shifted.

Idle

04-02-2010, 01:20 PM

What's all the to-do about "push to Start" anyway?

The first car I ever owned (1923 Dodge 4) had it — it was what you did when the crank handle didn't work...

stevie_t

10-04-2010, 06:30 PM

Nath

11-04-2010, 07:21 AM

LED tail lights can be purchased as parts via internet but they are very exy. Also because they draw less power a fault will show up in the MFD as the system thinks the bulbs have failed. Apparently there is a wired in fix for this (from Fiscon?) but for some reason it only suits left hand drive cars.

The kit from the US is just under $1K and comes with the box for fault code rectification etc and suits RHD cars

kennyc

11-04-2010, 10:11 AM

I dont see the fuss in a push button start. And if that is the only feature in the 2011 build then i am happy i got a 2010 build as i dont want a push button start.

Corey_R

11-04-2010, 11:57 AM

Hi Guys

Just wondering, seem as a few are sussing out getting a gti and are curious if the 2011 built model will feature some new additions etc...

Has this been done by vw before in the past?
When the MK V GTI came out, in 2004/2005, did the next years model of the MK V GTI have some improvements/additions feature wise,etc?

Thanks

The answer is yes, as the model years change (often around July), there can be updates in specification.
However, the contents of this thread is purely speculation. So I wouldn't be holding off on your purchase on the chance that the MY11 GTI will have LED lights and Push Button start.
1) These are a 'dealer accessory' in Europe and I can't personally see that changing.
2) Push Button appeared in a few of the pre-production cars and 'show specials' in Europe. If it were to be a feature of the MY11 cars, you'd think that it would have been included in the specs and feature list dealers received for the Golf R, being that it will have a June / July release, it would make sense to release that as a MY11 from the start, rather than have only a few months of MY10 then change to MY11.

But - even my comments are purely speculation, so :)

AdamD

11-04-2010, 11:34 PM

Push Button appeared in a few of the pre-production cars and 'show specials' in Europe. If it were to be a feature of the MY11 cars, you'd think that it would have been included in the specs and feature list dealers received for the Golf R, being that it will have a June / July release, it would make sense to release that as a MY11 from the start, rather than have only a few months of MY10 then change to MY11.

I am now prepped with the GTI/GTD manual kindly leant to me by my dealer (and, in the absence of my own GTI, am in the process of reading it cover to cover). The manual does cover KESSY (keyless entry/push button start) for the GTI, so presumably it is, or will be, an option on the car in some markets in the not too distant future.

As an aside, while the manual doesn't state it also covers the R, it does include specs and performance claims for a 188kw/330Nm 4Motion version - which is a hot-weather spec R by any other name, and surely wouldn't be marketed as a GTI in any markets?

Corey_R

12-04-2010, 09:39 AM

In the UK, the GTI/GTD/R are all on the one page on their website. So it wouldn't surprise me if they all came with the same owners manual.

Thanks for the info on the KESSY :)

dave_r

12-04-2010, 07:14 PM

The manual does cover KESSY (keyless entry/push button start) for the GTI, so presumably it is, or will be, an option on the car in some markets in the not too distant future.

I'd like keyless entry but wouldn't get too upset if it wasn't available.

guest12345

12-04-2010, 10:46 PM

Golf is a bit slow with this technology (keyless entry), thought something like this where so many car companies are doing it, they should be doing it as well.

NOT saying i think it is good or bad... for some reason i actually like turning the key and starting the engine. I have "comfort access" on my 135, and it has caused some troubles before, such as dropping missus off in a busy street and driving off, while she has the key in her handbag!! and my car stopping in the middle of the road.

And also maybe i'm old fashion or have something wrong with me, but yeah i just like putting the key into the ignition and starting the engine, it feels like i'm driving a car.

Corey_R

13-04-2010, 08:32 AM

On most Euro cars I'm aware of, it's still only an option. From what I can see from looking around places like carsales, and dealer showrooms, it still isn't even a highly selected option. I personally don't think that this is one of those features I'd be happy with the car increasing in cost to include. Other's may feel different, but that's my opinion on it :)

dave_r

13-04-2010, 11:17 AM

Yeah I wouldn't pay for it, but would use it if it was thrown in.

hooba

13-04-2010, 04:54 PM

The push button can be a hassle when you need to use both hands (one to insert the key on one side of the steering wheel, the other to push the button) to start a car. It's an unnecessary fiddle driven by marketing departments.

elisiX

20-04-2010, 12:59 PM

VWvortex Forums: 2011 GTI Changes, Official (http://forums.vwvortex.com/zerothread?id=4855882&page=1)

Equipment Changes:

- 18‐inch "Detroit" alloy wheels now standard on all trim levels

- Rear side thorax airbags (4X4) no longer available

- Voice‐controlled Bluetooth w/ audio streaming and phonebook download standard (9W7)

- GTI: new RCD310 single disc CD player with satellite radio

- GTI w/ Sunroof and Navigation and Autobahn Packages: New RNS315 navigation replaces RNS510 navigation

- GTI Autobahn: New Smart Key keyless entry with and push‐start/stop ignition

That is for the USA mind you...

ricksterrr

20-04-2010, 02:42 PM

VWvortex Forums: 2011 GTI Changes, Official (http://forums.vwvortex.com/zerothread?id=4855882&page=1)

That is for the USA mind you...

Wow..some good and bad there for the US folk...

18" Detroits as standard - Good.

A downgrade from an RCD510 as standard to RCD310, RNS510 (as an option) replaced with RNS315, Base GTI doesn't include a multifunction wheel - Bad!

Looks like they're pushing people in the states to at least get the GTI with an upgrade pack of some sort. Makes sense from a business perspective.

kennyc

20-04-2010, 07:21 PM

I freekn knew they would chuck in bluethooth as standard. One thing that i am pissed about with the GTI, pay that much money and no bluetooth as standard!!

Now i buy it and the next one has it, lol.
I know it is US but i am sure it will be the same here.

Corey_R

20-04-2010, 08:00 PM

AdamD

20-04-2010, 09:46 PM

I doubt this has any relevance to us yet... and I truly hope it isn't totally relevant. If any of you guys looked there are NO OPTIONS !!!!!
Basically, there are 4 models, and that's it. That'd suck as far as I'm concerned.

Agreed (given I'm ordering every option I want and none I don't on my GTI)! It would, however, be interesting to see the price variation between the packages, and how that compares to the 2010 option prices when totalled to equal what the packages include. The Japanese have gone with a model like this for years... as far as I'm aware it makes for cheaper extras overall (even considering you sometimes pay for extras you don't want), and definitely streamlines ordering (making for much faster delivery times).

Grouping extras into packages is probably less tempting for VW Australia, as it's still seen as something of a niche brand here; long delivery times are par for the course (ie somewhat to be expected), and you can bet they make a fortune on extras.

Interesting that LEDs aren't standard on 2011 models in the US... I know some had speculated that'd be an MY11 upgrade.

Pauly

21-04-2010, 11:30 AM

Does any VW Australia dealers have any information about changes to the MK2011 Bulids which should be arriving (im assuming) in the next month or so?

Im hoping my car is a MK2011 Build....

Maverick

21-04-2010, 12:20 PM

Does any VW Australia dealers have any information about changes to the MK2011 Bulids which should be arriving (im assuming) in the next month or so?

Im hoping my car is a MK2011 Build....

MY11 builds don't start being built until sometime in July/August (can't remember the exact week). They won't arrive for at least 2-3 months after that date.

Maverick

21-04-2010, 12:26 PM

I freekn knew they would chuck in bluethooth as standard. One thing that i am pissed about with the GTI, pay that much money and no bluetooth as standard!!

Bluetooth was standard on the old models in the US. Bluetooth is an option here, most people don't want bluetooth so why should they pay for it?

Now i buy it and the next one has it, lol.
I know it is US but i am sure it will be the same here.

No it won't be, completely different markets, completely different pricing and completely different customers.

Corey_R

21-04-2010, 02:17 PM

Does any VW Australia dealers have any information about changes to the MK2011 Bulids
If they did, we'd already know - so why ask?! :)

Mclovin

21-04-2010, 05:03 PM

Even the toyota corrolla has push to start lol

Im about to pay 3 times the amout of a corrolla for a GTI and its still using the regular old fashioned key! lol

Not that its a big deal. My GFs 1 series has it and i dont know if i like it.. I just feel a little left behind!!

Toyota needs cheap gimmicks like push start buttons to sell there cars! Who want's a crappy push start button not me I'll keep my VW flip key remote.

team_v

21-04-2010, 05:10 PM

Toyota needs cheap gimmicks like push start buttons to sell there cars! Who want's a crappy push start button not me I'll keep my VW flip key remote.

Exactly.
Plus the push button start is just another thing that can break.

The flip key is like that swiss army knife you got as a kid, you could even stab people with it, bet the push button can't do that? (just a joke, don't take it sereiosly)

triode12

21-04-2010, 07:55 PM

FWIW, I test drove the Golf R in Singapore two Saturdays ago and it didn't have push button start. BTW the R costs $180K SGD ($140K AUD) over there.

Pauly

22-04-2010, 12:41 PM

If they did, we'd already know - so why ask?! :)

Coreying, seriously mate, its a forum, we are alloud to ask questions without MOD's coming down on us questioning everything we post.

The reasons I asked is that this information for the US versions Golf's just got released. It would be safe to bet that other countries are getting this information as we speak to, thus the reason why I asked.

Not everything VWA do is posted on this very forum, so there is no harm in asking.

Maverick

22-04-2010, 01:28 PM

The reasons I asked is that this information for the US versions Golf's just got released. It would be safe to bet that other countries are getting this information as we speak to, thus the reason why I asked.

VWA is complete different to VGA and they package their cars differently, have a different market and are a different company.

Not everything VWA do is posted on this very forum, so there is no harm in asking.

I assume you mean VGA (Volkswagen Group Australia) and not VWA (Volkswagen of America)?

Rest assured that as soon as something is released about the spec of the new models it will be posted here within minutes.