Forge/BSH/Prosport/other Catch Cans

[anthony_VWJET]

Thanks to Tim and the Hawk for some help in the WTB section, and i thought I carry on the discussion here.

Looking into installing a catch can and with the help of Tim and Hawk I've looked into catch cans from Forge, BSH and Prosport. Price wise they all seem to vary from AU$75 all the way to US$224. Question is, who has one, what brand did you choose, how much did you pay for it and what are the main difference between each brand?

THanks for any help!

Anthony

[paolob]

i was quoted $500 for the forge catch can. I'm pretty sure the BSH one will not fit our cars because they were designed for left hand drive cars and one of the members tried to make it fit with no luck. Haven't heard of prosport thou but best to ask dealers first if they have the RHD versions becaue LHD won't fit. And get back to me because i am also looking =)

[isaw]

group buy on the forge CC? I'm keen...

[NabzGTI]

Gidday!

I have the BSH Stage 2+ PCV Fix with High Capacity Catch Can, and can confirm this DOES NOT fit on right hand drive vehicles without modifying your engine bay by relocating the Charcoal Canister.

The can is still new in the box as the day I got it over 5 months ago, as I have been emailing BSH for the last 4 or 5 months regarding this issue and they said they were in the process of creating a new bracket for our vehicles. 5 months down the track, they said that they could not get their hands on a right hand drive car, therefore the best option was to move the charcoal canister to a different location, and put their catch can in its designed position.

After liaising with my mechanic, the charcoal canister can be relocated with no affect on the vehicle.. Just need new vacuum lines/hoses and possibly a custom bracket to put the canister somewhere (I'm thinking underneath the battery or CAI pipe if there is enough room). So I'm basically waiting on my next service to get the canister relocated. I'd do it myself like all my other mods, but quite frankly I'm too lazy to muck around with it.

BSH make good quality products but are slightly overpriced. I paid $300USD delivered for my kit.

Good luck with whichever option you chose.

[anthony_VWJET]

Gidday!

I have the BSH Stage 2+ PCV Fix with High Capacity Catch Can, and can confirm this DOES NOT fit on right hand drive vehicles without modifying your engine bay by relocating the Charcoal Canister.

The can is still new in the box as the day I got it over 5 months ago, as I have been emailing BSH for the last 4 or 5 months regarding this issue and they said they were in the process of creating a new bracket for our vehicles. 5 months down the track, they said that they could not get their hands on a right hand drive car, therefore the best option was to move the charcoal canister to a different location, and put their catch can in its designed position.

After liaising with my mechanic, the charcoal canister can be relocated with no affect on the vehicle.. Just need new vacuum lines/hoses and possibly a custom bracket to put the canister somewhere (I'm thinking underneath the battery or CAI pipe if there is enough room). So I'm basically waiting on my next service to get the canister relocated. I'd do it myself like all my other mods, but quite frankly I'm too lazy to muck around with it.

BSH make good quality products but are slightly overpriced. I paid $300USD delivered for my kit.

Good luck with whichever option you chose.

Sounds like a pain in the ass.. :P

$300 doesnt sound too bad, on the BSH sites, its priced at US$235. Did you get it straight from them or from another joint?

That being said, the Forge catch cam is selling for £60.45 (approx $110) correct me if I'm wrong - how come you didnt opt for Forge?
http://www.forgemotorsport.co.uk/content.asp?inc=product&cat=&product=FMUNCTCF

[NabzGTI]

Sounds like a pain in the ass.. :P

$300 doesnt sound too bad, on the BSH sites, its priced at US$235. Did you get it straight from them or from another joint?

That being said, the Forge catch cam is selling for £60.45 (approx $110) correct me if I'm wrong - how come you didnt opt for Forge?
http://www.forgemotorsport.co.uk/content.asp?inc=product&cat=&product=FMUNCTCF

The standard BSH catch can is $225.. the one I have is the High Capacity can which is $280. And I got mine a while ago when it was priced at $299 before the Forge was even released.. the differences are as follows:

High Capacity Can:
- holds about 1lt of fluid - need to empty much less often
- much easier drainage system using a drainage plug
http://www.bshspeedshop.com/store/product.php?productid=17007&cat=1120&page=1

Standard Can:
- holds about 200ml of fluid
- to drain the fluids, you need to remove the entire can
http://www.bshspeedshop.com/store/product.php?productid=16952&cat=1120&page=1

And where did you see the Forge one at $110? The Forge website says $340?
http://www.forgemotorsport.com/content.asp?inc=product&cat=&product=FMMK5CT

[NabzGTI]

Oh I see where you got the $110 from. Those catch cans are universal cans. They are not tailor made for our cars. I ordered a complete kit which includes a PCV Fix & Catch can specifically for my car.

[anthony_VWJET]

The standard BSH catch can is $225.. the one I have is the High Capacity can which is $280. And I got mine a while ago when it was priced at $299 before the Forge was even released.. the differences are as follows:

High Capacity Can:
- holds about 1lt of fluid - need to empty much less often
- much easier drainage system using a drainage plug
http://www.bshspeedshop.com/store/product.php?productid=17007&cat=1120&page=1

Standard Can:
- holds about 200ml of fluid
- to drain the fluids, you need to remove the entire can
http://www.bshspeedshop.com/store/product.php?productid=16952&cat=1120&page=1

And where did you see the Forge one at $110? The Forge website says $340?
http://www.forgemotorsport.com/content.asp?inc=product&cat=&product=FMMK5CT


OH! That explains it! I can never seem to navigate my way through these websites to find this info.. i must be doing something wrong...

John from OzAudi pointed me to this joint which Im checking out that custom make these things to order. He landed one for $118 delievered... comes with a bracket and bolts, only thing missing was the hoses... worth a try and compare! :google:

[NabzGTI]

OH! That explains it! I can never seem to navigate my way through these websites to find this info.. i must be doing something wrong...

John from OzAudi pointed me to this joint which Im checking out that custom make these things to order. He landed one for $118 delievered... comes with a bracket and bolts, only thing missing was the hoses... worth a try and compare! :google:

Just be careful with those Universal kits. They have a similar can + hose structure, but what about the other side of the hoses? I dont think they will fit your car unless you have the PCV upgrade kit installed also.

See attached thread for the installation of the BSH kit. You'll notice that the new PCV plate has two nozzles that stick out of it.. one for each side of the hose from the catch can... the standard valve does not have these nozzles.
http://forums.vwvortex.com/zerothread?id=4272386

4th pic down: standard valve - no nozzles
6th pic down: removal of standard valve
9th pic down: new PCV plate with 2 nozzles
12th pic down: BSH PCV + catch can fully installed.

I'm not sure if your Jetta has the same set up, but well worth checking out before buying cheaper alternatives.

[anthony_VWJET]

Just be careful with those Universal kits. They have a similar can + hose structure, but what about the other side of the hoses? I dont think they will fit your car unless you have the PCV upgrade kit installed also.

See attached thread for the installation of the BSH kit. You'll notice that the new PCV plate has two nozzles that stick out of it.. one for each side of the hose from the catch can... the standard valve does not have these nozzles.
http://forums.vwvortex.com/zerothread?id=4272386

4th pic down: standard valve - no nozzles
6th pic down: removal of standard valve
9th pic down: new PCV plate with 2 nozzles
12th pic down: BSH PCV + catch can fully installed.

I'm not sure if your Jetta has the same set up, but well worth checking out before buying cheaper alternatives.

Thanks for the Nabz, appreciate it!

After a few emails and searching through forums, I've decided to go with the Saikou Michi catch cans which seem to be a popular choice.

Swapping a few emails with this joint, they've recommended the OCC Stage 3 that has 3/4" valves (or what they call 'nipples'). Cost is US$105 + US$30 shipping, so on a good day all up it should be around the AU$145 -155 mark.

http://www.saikoumichi.com/951_page.htm

Does anyone here have one installed?

If anyone else has any interest, let me know and we could possible get a discount if there are enough numbers.

[PASHN8]

I'd be interested in a group buy on the new revision Forge can for RHD cars if anyone is keen?

[XXX-1.8T]

Thanks for the Nabz, appreciate it!

After a few emails and searching through forums, I've decided to go with the Saikou Michi catch cans which seem to be a popular choice.

Swapping a few emails with this joint, they've recommended the OCC Stage 3 that has 3/4" valves (or what they call 'nipples'). Cost is US$105 + US$30 shipping, so on a good day all up it should be around the AU$145 -155 mark.

http://www.saikoumichi.com/951_page.htm

Does anyone here have one installed?

If anyone else has any interest, let me know and we could possible get a discount if there are enough numbers.

Im interested as long as they have one that will fit a TT and someone can help install it!

[paolob]

i'd be down as well just gotta make sure its rhd. Any reviews on this? haven't heard of the brand before.
Ian set up a group buy for the forge catch can a few months back but the price was still over $400 so this still looks like a good option if it offers the same advantages and qualities of the bigger brands

[anthony_VWJET]

It appears to be adaptable to RHD and LHD, and because they are made to order, they can adopt it to both upon request.

JohnW for OzAudi is currently running a Stage II for the last 6 months and with no problems or hassles to report.

In regards to installing... I'm leaving that up for Seb to do... :rolleyes:

I'll see if they do group buys and what the required number is for a decent discount.

[manol]

It appears to be adaptable to RHD and LHD, and because they are made to order, they can adopt it to both upon request.

JohnW for OzAudi is currently running a Stage II for the last 6 months and with no problems or hassles to report.

In regards to installing... I'm leaving that up for Seb to do... :rolleyes:

I'll see if they do group buys and what the required number is for a decent discount.

Please do, i'd be down for this as well.

[Tim]

the link above seems to be just the can. What about the rest of the kit? The website doesnt list any VW specific applications.
Where in the engine bay are you going to mount it on a rhd car?

[anthony_VWJET]

the link above seems to be just the can. What about the rest of the kit? The website doesnt list any VW specific applications.
Where in the engine bay are you going to mount it on a rhd car?

Thats where emailing comes in.

I hoping with a group buy they'll be able to supply the hoses and clamps, as the 150* pays for the can, mount and delievery.

I'll have more info shortly..

[ColinG]

I'm waiting for this beast to come in from North American Motorsports
42 Draft Design Catch Can

http://www.namotorsports.net/detail.cfm/part_cd/DD42-CCS-5F1

Should take delivery early next week.
Cant wait

ColinG
GTGTI

[NabzGTI]

Thanks for the Nabz, appreciate it!

After a few emails and searching through forums, I've decided to go with the Saikou Michi catch cans which seem to be a popular choice.

Swapping a few emails with this joint, they've recommended the OCC Stage 3 that has 3/4" valves (or what they call 'nipples'). Cost is US$105 + US$30 shipping, so on a good day all up it should be around the AU$145 -155 mark.

http://www.saikoumichi.com/951_page.htm

Does anyone here have one installed?

If anyone else has any interest, let me know and we could possible get a discount if there are enough numbers.

Again, this is the can ONLY. You still need to purchase a Catch Can Conversion Plate AND PCV Plug which will cost you around $100 ontop.

[Sloth]

I'm waiting for this beast to come in from North American Motorsports
42 Draft Design Catch Can

http://www.namotorsports.net/detail.cfm/part_cd/DD42-CCS-5F1

Should take delivery early next week.
Cant wait

ColinG
GTGTI

When you get this fitted, I would be most interested in learning how the install went and if you are satisfied.

Cheers,
Jim.

[Big Yellow]

When you get this fitted, I would be most interested in learning how the install went and if you are satisfied.

Cheers,
Jim.
im also curious to see how and where it is fitted as the guys in the US dont have a charcoal canistor!!

[Tim]

there is plenty room in front of the battery on rhd cars. Its not rocket science to fab up a bracket.
There just isnt anything available off the shelf other than the forge kit which goes overboard in my opinion.