best window tint business?

[deejay350sl]

anyone know reputable window tinters/business's in nsw?

[rageR]

Give this guy a call his from blacktown. He's pretty good, got all my tinting done by him. His quite reasonable as well. He tinted my mk6 15% all round.

Martin
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[Prestige_GTI]

I know they can cost a bit more sometimes but Tint-a-car shops are good. They have good quality tint. I am always a fan of companies that you know will still be around to back their warranties!

[paolob]

Rob from hunters hill tinting is someone MANY people recommend. I had my car done 15% all around bar front windscreen.
Also heard good stuff about Martin, alot of JDM guys use him

[Arctra]

Rob from hunters hill tinting is someone MANY people recommend. I had my car done 15% all around bar front windscreen.
Also heard good stuff about Martin, alot of JDM guys use him

I'll vouch for Rob. He did my Tiguan and I watched him to most of it. He knows his stuff, is very pleasant to deal with, and can show you how the tint looks when fitted as he has done the back window of his Caddy with the various tints in strips. First rate service from a guy who can't afford to stuff it up as it's his livelihood.

Hunters Hill Window Tinting: Robert 0418 464 185

[fuzion]

Rob from hunters hill tinting is someone MANY people recommend. I had my car done 15% all around bar front windscreen.
Also heard good stuff about Martin, alot of JDM guys use him

he's quite good!

tint-a-car rosebery is also who i'd recommend.. we use both (tint a car more due to being closer lol)

[Corey_R]

I haven't personally used Rob, but I do recognise his name. He appears on the Solar Gard Australia NSW Dealers List (http://www.solargard.com.au/Default.aspx?Section=Dealer_Locator&Page=Find_A_Dealer&State=New%20South%20Wales) and is capable of doing residential, commerical and automotive tints.

I recently had my apartment windows tinted and received a quote from Rob, he was actually the cheapest (about $750 compared to $1000, and up to $1850!), but unfortunately I didn't know anyone who had dealt with him at the time to get a recommendation on the quality of his work, so I went with another more established company who a friend had recommended to me and charged me $1000. If only this thread had come up 2 months ago....

[dopey]

Give this guy a call his from blacktown. He's pretty good, got all my tinting done by him. His quite reasonable as well. He tinted my mk6 15% all round.

Martin
0424 725 250


Yep... my MK6 has been tinted by Martin, along with my other rides, and most of my friends and family have had their cars done by him too. He'll beat any price quote you've got, but his prices are so reasonable that shopping around isn't even required anyway :D

[rageR]

Yep... my MK6 has been tinted by Martin, along with my other rides, and most of my friends and family have had their cars done by him too. He'll beat any price quote you've got, but his prices are so reasonable that shopping around isn't even required anyway :D


ill vouch for that.

[GTI2708]

how about victoria melbourne?
hehe thx in advance

[jettaboy]

sol-ace/ tint a car alexandria....both my cars... volvo wagon and passat... excellent job and very good warranty

[xc17ed]

Give this guy a call his from blacktown. He's pretty good, got all my tinting done by him. His quite reasonable as well. He tinted my mk6 15% all round.

Martin
0424 725 250


Done the tint on several of my cars and very happy with his work, will be getting him to do the new GTI as well.

[jonjon]

Hi guys, I was wondering if I could get your opinions on what sort of tint (e.g, type and %) would go well with a red 5 door GTI.

Also, the dealer is offering ICT film tint. I have no idea what it is and the after sales person isn't giving me much info either. Does anyone know what this is? What does it stand for and is it worth the $800? All i know is that it's metallic film of some sort. I wonder if it affects the radio or GPS.

[badgerboards]

Darkest legal is 35% which isn't that dark. But if your willing the mirrored tint would look good.

[Axis]

I had Tint-a-Car Formula one on my red car and it looked awesome.... was the 35% legal...

http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2010/03/IMG_0413JPG-1.jpg

Used to have a better pic with the back window in it - can't find it...

PS - I do drive a Golf now before you all get angry at my Jap-ness :P :bowdown:

[iBoost]

I miss my S15 :(

[Corey_R]

There are already a few threads on window tint:

best window tint business? (http://www.vwwatercooled.org.au/newforum/upload/showthread.php?t=40510&highlight=Tint)
MKVI Front Tint to match privacy glass (sports pack) (http://www.vwwatercooled.org.au/newforum/upload/showthread.php?t=32781&highlight=Tint)

The colour of the car really has little effect on the tint that you should use. It's more to do with the colour of the glass and whether you're trying to match any factory installed tint.

Keep in mind that the Golf's come with insulated windows, which already have a slight green tint to them. If you've selected the 'Factory Tint' (or privacy glass as some use the term - not that it really is), then you will need to match the front windows to the rear, and also maybe even consider a clear tint to suppliment the fact the privacy glass does not block all UV or provide the best heat insulation.

[jonjon]

thanks for your opinions guys.

btw, do guys know what ICT film window tint is?

[Corey_R]

btw, do guys know what ICT film window tint is?

Doing a google search on "ict tint" I got this link to Cannon Toyota (http://www.cannontoyota.com.au/new-toyota/toyota-vehicle-protection.html). It states for "Intelligent Cell Technology". In other words, some marketing crap.

As all the other threads here say, I would generally go anywhere but your dealer for tint, as they usually charge an awful lot for what you can get elsewhere. All the dealers do is get one of the local tint places to come in for them anyway - so you may as well just go straight to the tint company and get what you want for a much better price :)

[jonjon]

They did mention that the brighter the sun, the darker the tint. So it adjusts depending on the brightness of the light. Do you know whether places like tint professor or tint a car offer products like that? It's the first time I've heard of it.

[dkgti]

I had tint-a-car formula on my old S15 as well - looks great and good quality!

btw- I really miss my S15 as well. The GTI is a great car but its just not the same. The s15 had much better top end and completely different handling feel

[sawters]

I find at least here in SA - if your car look clean and kept ( not to MODS ) the tnt doesnt attract attention!

[Corey_R]

They did mention that the brighter the sun, the darker the tint. So it adjusts depending on the brightness of the light. Do you know whether places like tint professor or tint a car offer products like that? It's the first time I've heard of it.

You will find that most tints exhibit this, not because the tint is literally adjusting/changing, but because of how dark a tint looks is based on internal vs external light, and its internal VL reflective % and external VL reflective %. "Reflective tints" are not allowed on cars in Australia, however ALL tints have a certain amount of visible light reflection.

[jj77]

How about Perth? Someone mentioned Victoria Park Tint a Car - but it was back 2008 or 9 post...

Thanks in advance.
Cheers,
J

[chilliman]

Here's mine, I went for formular 1 tint from tint-a-car with darker tint in rear windows, maximum legal on the front (need to check invoice for what % on each) ...

http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2010/04/IMG00078201002281824-1.jpg

[pog]

Done the tint on several of my cars and very happy with his work, will be getting him to do the new GTI as well.

I'm the same. Martin has tinted my car as well as most of my friends and have been very happy with his work too.

[nau]

TintACar hands down.... did 3 cars with them already and going to do GTI next week
they might not be the cheapest but quality is there

[moonblade87]

A few people have done 15% all round tints in NSW. Was just wondering if they ran into any problems with the police? The legal limit is 30% i think. Is it to dark?

Also was wondering if anyone could point me towards a V-cool tint. Want to get the front windshield tinted with the transparent tint.

[Corey_R]

The legal limit is 35%. All of my cars have had 35% on all windows, except for the windscreen of course, and I've found it to be fine :)

I've been in a few cars with 15% and 20%. Although I don't really have any issue with that on the rear side or rear window, I personally think it's irresponsible on the front driver and passenger windows imo.

[Tux]

Back in the nineties I had a red Commodore with super dark tints all 'round and, whilst it looked fantastic, at night it was sometimes hard to see out of the side windows. It was actually a bit claustrophobic at times too. Although I never did have a problem from the police though I'm sure they wouldn't like not being able to see into the car.

Also it's surprising how much eye contact you make with other drivers and the dark tint makes this hard...

[Maverick]

A few people have done 15% all round tints in NSW. Was just wondering if they ran into any problems with the police? The legal limit is 30% i think. Is it to dark?

Yes it is. Unlike some laws this one is based on scientific facts and these can't be refuted however the same brianiacs who fit this tint most likely also have illegal hid conversions and believe that they increased their visibility.

If they have an accident and the police attend the car at the very least will be ordered off the road and if the accident sees someone get injured you can bet the police will be looking long and hard at the illegal tinted windows and the role that they played in the accident. Not to mention the insurance company can refuse to pay out if they consider the tint played a part in the accident.

There are heaps of studies that have been performed that have proven that using dark tints on the road is stupid.

Visibility Through Tinted Automotive Glazing (http://www.unece.org/trans/main/wp29/wp29wgs/wp29grsg/grsginf/80/80-inf24.doc)

(the ocr'ing on this documents sucks sorry but it's very relevant to the subject at hand)

Effects of car window tinting on visual performance: a
comparison of elderly and young drivers
N ICH O LA S R. B U R N S *, T ED N ETTELBECK , M ICH A EL W HITE and J A CQU ELIN E W ILLSON
Department of Psychology, University of Adelaide, South Australia 5005,
Australia
Keywords: Visual perception; Automobile driving; Perceptual masking; Aged;
Accidents; Tra c.
A major concern in allowing the tinting of car front side windows to 35% visible
light transmittance (VLT) is that tasks performed through these windows often
require the rapid detection of low-contrast, unilluminated targets. If the tinting
interferes with detection of targets then road safety may be compromized. Speed
of cognitive and visual processing declines with age; performance on backward
pattern masking tasks can indicate this slowing in processing speed. Two
experiments compared performance of the young and elderly adult on two
backward pattern masking tasks with levels of VLT from 100 to 20% . The ® rst
experiment found a decrement in performance for the elderly at 63% VLT and for
all participants at 20% VLT. The second experiment found a decrement in
performance for the elderly at 35% VLT. It was concluded that road safety may
be compromized if the front side windows of cars are tinted to 35% VLT.
1. Introduction
The focus of research and debate about acceptable levels for the tinting of car
windows, in terms of possible decrements in visual performan ce of drivers, has
shifted from concern m ainly with the front windshield and the prim ary vision area
(PVA) to concern with the front side windows of vehicles. This shift has occurred
because the parties to the debate, particularly road safety authorities and window
body-tinters and producers of window ® lm, are agreed, ® rst, that the PVA should
have a minimum visible light transmittance (VLT) of about 75% . (Australian Design
Rule ADR 8 / 00 speci® es 75% for the PVA, whereas the Federal M otor Vehicle
Safety Standard No. 205 [FM VSS 205] of the National Highway Tra c Safety
Administration [NHTSA] of the U SA speci® es 70% .) Second, it is agreed that for the
windows to the rear of the driver a minimum VLT of between 35 and 65% is
acceptable because of the very diŒ
erent demands of visual tasks likely to be
perform ed through these windows (Dain 1994).
For the front side windows of motor vehicles, the positions of the parties to the
debate are still opposed. Proponents for tinting windows argue that the minimum
VLT should be 35% for all windows except the windshield. They point, ® rst, to the
bene® ts of tinting windows to this VLT level (claimed to include glare reduction,
heat reduction, protection from harmful ultraviolet radiation, protection from
laceration, standardization in manufacture of car window glass, increased aesthetic
appeal of vehicles and enhan ced privacy for vehicle occupants); and, second, to the
fact that no detrimental eŒ
ects of tinting front side windows to 35% VLT have been
adequately demonstrated from road crash data. Road safety authorities, on the
other hand, argue, ® rst, that the claimed bene® ts of the tinting of windows m ay be
illusory and point to disbene® ts of such tinting (including the reduced ability of other
road users to see into the car through tinted windows and also to the concerns of
police in terms of o cer safety and suspect identi® cation). Second, road safety
authorities maintain that extant evidence from laboratory studies points to
decrements in visual performance associated with viewing out through tinted
windows, which are likely to compromise road safety and which are relevant to
driving tasks performed through the front side windows.
The main current argument against adopting the 35% VLT standard for front
side windows is that it would be detrimental to road safety through its eŒ
ect of
reducing visibility for the driver. Although there is an extensive literature on the
eŒ
ects of tinting on driver visual performance (reviewed by W hite 1992 , Jenkins
1994 , Sayer an d Traube 1994), many of the papers relate to the earlier debate
concerning the eŒ
ects of allowing the windshield to carry a light body-tint and are
not relevant to the current debate about darker ® lm tints on front side windows. The
earlier empirical studies were predominantly of night-time seeing distances using
low-contrast targets illum inated by car headlights. A num ber of other earlier papers
(discussed by Zwahlen and Schnell 1994 ) report the results of the mathematical
modelling of night-time seeing distances without presenting new empirical evidence.
These empirical an d modelling studies are obviously of little relevance to vision
through the front side windows, where the headlights have little or no eŒ
ect. Those
of the previous studies that have relevance to the current debate are now considered.
There are only six empirical studies, all of which have been reported in the past
10 years, that present evidence of potential relevance to the front side window debate
(Rom pe and Engel 1987, W akeley 1988 , 1992, Stackhouse and Hancock 1992 ,
Derkum 1993 , Freedman et al. 1993). In contrast with the earlier empirical studies,
these six studies were all laboratory-based. Participants performed a visual task
under conditions of low illumination that stimulated dusk or night driving.
Headlight illumination (real or simulated) was not used because objects detected
through the front side windows would not normally be illuminated by a car’ s
headlights.
These six studies included ® ve that used som e combination of measures of target
detection and response latency as the dependent variables and one (Derkum 1993)
that used measures of visual acuity. All of the studies included conditions with VLT
levels near 35% and illuminance levels that simulated twilight or night-time
conditions, or both. Three of the studies (Rompe and Engel 1987 , Derkum 1993 ,
Freedman et al. 1993) reported decrements in performance associated with
decreasing levels of VLT. Of the other three studies that did not, two (W akeley
1988 , 1992) have been criticized for using targets with contrast levels that were too
high to be aŒ
ected by reduced VL T levels (W hite 1992), and the third (Stackhouse
and Hancock 1992) was satis® ed with decrements in performance with 30% VLT
that were equivalent to a target detection failure rate of 23% .
The ecological validity of these studies is m ainly determined by the extent to
which the experimental procedures capture the essence of `conspicuity’ , and
particularly that aspect of conspicuity referred to by Cole and Jenkins (1980) as
sensory conspicuity (because the rapid detection and avoidance of an object in a
potential accident situation seems m ore dependent on actually seeing the target,
rather than attending to it because of its appraised meaning or relevance). There are
good reasons for believing that a measure of conspicuity in terms of the speed of the
response of the visual system might prove to be as valid and sensitive as any previous
measure. As part of normal driving, the driver is often required to make numerous,
fast ® xations to scan the visual ® eld adequately. There are some complex situations
where the driver’ s ab ility to scan the road environm ent adequately is tested to the
limit. Given that each ® xation takes longer under conditions of poor illumination, or
target contrast or both, drivers will sometimes be driving beyo nd the limits of their
scanning rate.
Backward pattern masking can be used to provide an estimate of the speed of the
visual system. If a target pattern is presented for a brief period, followed by a
meaningless visual `mask’ , the target will only be recognized if a su cient period (in
the vicinity of 50 ± 100 ms) is allowed to elapse between the onset of the target and
the onset of the mask. The minimum period between the presentation of the target
and mask that still allows the participant to recogn ize the target is known as `critical
stim ulus onset asynchrony’ (CSOA). The measurement of CSOA provides an index
of the speed of the visual system.
Backward masking CSOAs have been used in a number of applied contexts to
provide measures of the speed of processing of the visual system. It has been found, for
example, that CSOAs are signi® cantly longer for retarded participants (Nettelbeck
1985) and are signi® cantly lengthened by sm all quantities of alcohol (review ed by
M oskowitz and Robinson 1988).
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[Maverick]

Of more relevance to the driving task are the fndings
that CSOAs are longer for the elderly (summ arized by W hite 1996). This increase in
backward masking CSOAs for the elderly re¯ ects the more general decline in speed of
processing found in the elderly and is thought to be causally prior to the decline found
in performance by the elderly on measures of higher-order cognition (Nettelbeck and
Rabbitt 1992 , Kail and Salthouse 1994). Finally, backward masking CSO As are
probably longer under conditions of low illumination, and for low-contrast stimuli
(Hellige et al. 1979), although there is little relevant research on target and mask
energies. In the context of the current paper, it is worth noting that sex diŒ
erences are
not thought important for backward masking CSOAs (Nettelbeck 1987).

The experiments reported here compared backward masking CSOAs for the
elderly and young adult. The expectation was that the elderly would process visual
information more slowly (i.e. longer backward masking CSOAs). The backward
masking CSOAs were measured under conditions of high and low illum ination, and
with high- and low-contrast targets. It was expected that CSOAs would be longer for
low illumination and low-contrast target conditions. Finally, the CSOAs were
measured when the targets were viewed with several levels of VLT. In term s of
relevance to the debate about road safety, it was predicted that there would be an
interactive eΠof age, illumination, target contrast and VLT. That is, the elderly
ect
would be at a disadvantage in terms of their ab ilities to scan the visual ® eld
adequately; this disadvantage would be exacerbated by low illumination, low-
contrast targets and low VLT. This outcome would imply that tinting of front side
windows to 35% VLT may lead to an increase in road crashes involving elderly
drivers, or that elderly drivers may be restricted to daytime driving.
2. Experiment 1
The masking task used in this experiment arose from a model of comparative
judgem ent (Vickers 1970 , Vickers et al. 1972 ) and is termed `inspection time’ (IT).
There is a reliable negative correlation of about Ð 0.5 between CSOA on this task
(i.e. IT) and IQ and for this reason the task has been extensively studied (reviewed by
Nettelbeck 1987, K ranzler and Jensen 1989). Further, it has been demonstrated that
IT estimates are signi® cantly longer for the elderly (Nettelbeck and Rabbitt 1992). In
its most common form the task involves the presentation of a target stimulus
consisting of two vertical lines of markedly different length, joined at the top by a line. The target stim ulus is followed by a patterned mask and the participant
indicates on which side of the ® gure, left or right, the shorter line appeared.
The experiment reported here m easured IT under conditions that sim ulated day
or night driving illuminance (i.e. optimal versus marginal viewing conditions) and at
several levels of VLT. As noted above, the general decline in speed of processing (and
cognitive ability) found in the elderly means that IT estimates will be longer for
them. This, together with the interaction of this decline in speed of processing with
the effects of reduced visual information (low illumination, decreased VLT), leads to
the following hypotheses: (1) that elderly persons have longer IT estim ates than the
young adult; (2) that under marginal (`night-time’ ) viewing conditions IT estimates
will be longer; (3) that for these marginal viewing conditions IT estimates will
increase as VLT level decreases; and (4) this increase in IT estimate will be greater for
the elderly. Support for these hypotheses would imply that the speed of visual
processing in elderly drivers is comprom ised under marginal viewing conditions and
that this eΠis heightened when viewing with reduced VLT.
ect
2.1. M ethod
2.1.1. Participants: Thirty participants were recruited into two groups; one
comprised eight males and 10 females with a mean age of 70.6 (SD = 5.5) years,
and the other comprised three males and nine females with a mean age of 22.8
(SD = 2.4) years. The former group was recruited from the general community; 10
had education at the tertiary level and eight at the secondary level. Of the latter
group 10 were university students and two had education at the secondary level. It
was therefore considered unlikely that differences in IQ between groups would
influence the outcome. Potential participan ts underwent optometric testing (see
below) to preclude anyone with abnormal vision; all held a current driver’ s licence
but their driving habits were not ascertained. It is worth noting that, in South
Australia, drivers > 70 years are required to furnish a medical report annually and to
undertake practical driving tests at 75 years, 80 years and an nually from that time
on. The elderly sample here, then, had a mean age close to that at which the
legislative restrictions on elderly drivers begin to apply.
2.1.2. Optom etric testing: All potential participants attended an optometric clinic
for a standard optometric exam ination. Only those with vision, contrast sensitivity,
and ocular physiology deemed normal continued their participation in the
experiment.
2.1.3. Stimuli and tasks: Stimuli in the IT task were presented using a Gerbrands
G-1130 three-® eld tachistoscope, converted in-house to four ® elds. Internal
illumination of the tachistoscope was set at maximum intensity for all ® elds during
the optimal viewing condition (`day-time’ ) and was set at 85% for the marginal
(`twilight’ ) viewing condition. These settings produced lum inan ce levels of 4.5 and
1.1 cd / m2 respectively, measured at the tachistoscope eyepiece and with the
spotmeter pointed at the target approxim ately 0.75 m aw ay. These values are
recognized as somewhat unreliable but do dem onstrate the large luminance
diŒ
erence between the two conditions.
N eutral density ® lters were used in the tachistoscope eyepieces to produce three
levels of VLT with 63, 32 and 20% . These levels span a range of VLTs that begin at a
level somewhat lower than that deemed acceptable for the PVA of a motor vehicle,
include a condition close to that being argued for by the proponents of the 35% VLT
level for all windows except the windshield, and decrease to a level likely to be
attained by a window that has a 35% VLT level when new but that has deteriorated
in use (W hite 1994).
The stimulus cards for the tachistoscope were grey (with a colour density of 10
according to the Kodak Gray Scale) and the target and mask ® gures were
constructed on the cards with black precision slit tape. This means that the contrast
between the target and background was relatively low. The target ® gures were made
from 1 mm-wide tape and the mask ® gure was made from 4 mm-wide tape. The
alternative target ® gures consisted of two vertical lines joined at the top by a
horizontal line; the longer line subtended a visual angle of 2.6 8 and the shorter line
subtended a visual angle of 1.8 8 . The horizontal distance between the vertical lines
subtended a visual angle of 0.8 8 . The mask was similar in form to the target but was
symm etrical with both vertical lines subtending a visual angle of 3.4 8 (® gure 1). Each
trial began with the binocular presentation of one of the alternative targets (each of
the targets appeared equiprobably) in the centre of the visual ® eld. After the SOA
determ ined by the IT estimation algorithm (see below) the target was replaced by the
mask. The participant responded by pressing the corresponding key, left or right, on
a custom panel to indicate on which side the shorter line had appeared. If unable to
discriminate which ® gure had appeared the participant was required to guess. Two
seconds after the response, the next trial began.
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[Maverick]

2.1.4. Design: Participants completed six sets of trials, corresponding to the six
possible combinations of luminance (two levels) and VLT (three levels). To
incorporate a number of practice trials at the beginning of each condition the initial
SOA was 450 ms. Additionally, the experimental design was partially balanced by
randomly allocating participants to one of four possible orders for completing the six
conditions, thereby controlling for any additional practice eŒ
ects. These four orders
of conditions were such that, for any participant, the VLT levels either increased or
decreased for both luminance conditions. The order of luminance conditions was
approximately balanced across participants, as were the alternative orders of VLT
levels.
2.1.5. Procedure: Participants attended one experimental session. Each was seated
before the apparatus in a small, arti® cially lit room, with the key panel in front. The
nature of the task, including the IT estimation procedure, was explained and
emphasis was placed on the requirement for accuracy in responding as opposed to
speed in responding. Participants were informed that they should take as much time
as they required to respond and that a new trial would not commence until after a
response was made. Before commencing the experimental trials, a series of practice
trials was provided to ensure participants understood what was required of them.
Those with prescriptions for visual correction were given practice both with and
without glasses; provided that they could correctly discriminate all practice trials
with ease, they were permitted to perform on the experim ental task without
prescriptions if this was more comfortable.
The entire sequence of stimulus presentations was autom ated by a computer
program , with brief rests between the VLT levels in each luminance condition and
for approximately 5 min between luminance conditions. The SOA on any trial was
determined according to an adaptive staircase algorithm (W etherill and Levitt 1965),
which was set to return an IT estimate at the 90% accuracy level; this required
approximately 100 trials for each condition.
2.2. Results
Repeated measures ANO VA showed a signi® cant three-way interaction between age
group, luminance level, and VLT level (Pillai’ s trace = 0.35, F(2,27) = 7.30,
p < 0.01). Figure 2 shows the means an d SD for IT, plotted for each condition. It
can be seen that decreasing VLT level was associated with increased IT for both age
groups in the low-lum inance viewing condition but that the elderly exhibited a more
marked increase. Polynomial contrasts demonstrated a linear trend for VLT level
that was signi® cantly diŒ
erent for the low- and high-luminance viewing conditions.
No diŒ
erence was apparent for the two groups in the high-luminance condition, but
the young and elderly exhibited diŒ
erent patterns of linearity in the low -luminance
condition (t (56) = 3.2, p < 0.01). Examination of ® gure 2 shows that mean IT was
longer for the low-luminance viewing condition irrespective of the VLT level and
that this eΠwas greater for the elderly (F(1,28) = 22.66, p < 0.001). Finally, the
ect
mean IT was longer for the elderly group in each condition (F(1,28) = 25.37 ,
p < 0.001). The results of the repeated measures ANOVA were therefore consistent
with the experimental hypotheses.
2.3. Discussion
The elderly exhibited longer mean ITs; this is consistent with the ® nding that speed
of processing decreases with increasing age. Under optim al viewing conditions VLT
level did not signi® cantly aŒ mean ITs of either age group. This ® nding supports
ect
the claim that tinting of car windows will not aΠdriver performance when viewing
ect
conditions are optimal and is therefore consistent with previous research that has
used target detection and response times as dependent variables. H ow ever, under
marginal viewing conditions VLT level did signi® cantly increase mean ITs and this
increase was signi® cantly greater for the elderly group. It can be concluded from this
that, under these marginal viewing conditions, elderly drivers were aŒ
levels as high as 63% (compared with performance under optim al viewing
conditions) and that performance deteriorated as VLT decreased. These results are
similar to those reported by Freedman et al. (1993). The young adults also showed a
deterioration in performance as VLT decreased from 63 to 20% .
This experiment did not include conditions equivalent to viewing through no
windows or through windows carrying only a very light body-tint. It is the
com parison of perform ance in these conditions to perform an ce with 35% VL T that
is critical in term s of relevance to road safety. There is also a question as to the
nature of the IT task, in that it has been shown to be vulnerable to the use of various
cues embedded in the task (W hite 1996 ) that may allow some participants to perform
at a level that is not determ ined strictly by the speed of the visual system. These
embedded cues may be a particular problem when the stimuli are presented
tachistoscopically. Experiment 2 was therefore designed to replicate and extend the
® ndings of this ® rst experiment by including conditions that directly compared both
a no window condition and a lightly tinted car window condition with a car window
tinted to 35% VLT. Second, an additional backward masking task that was
ostensibly free of embedded cues was included, thereby testing the generality of the
eŒ
ect of VL T on backward pattern masking CSOAs. Finally, all stimuli were
presented on a high performance computer monitor.
3. Experiment 2
Because experiment 1 had dem onstrated no decrement in performance with
decreasing VLT under optim al viewing conditions, this experiment included only
one level of illumination, which simulated twilight driving conditions. Two levels of
target contrast were employed, high and low. These levels sim ulated driving
conditions where headlight illumination is usually availa ble (that is, the front and
rear windows) and where no headlight illum ination is likely (that is, front side
windows) respectively. Three levels of VL T were used: in one condition there was no
window; in the other two conditions actual front side windows were used. One
window carried a light body-tint, the other had a ® lm applied to produce a VLT of
35% . Finally, in addition to the IT task used above, a second backward masking
task was designed. Theory (W hite 1996 ) and pilot studies suggested that this task
(known hereafter as the alphanumeric task because it involved recognition of
alphanumeric characters) was equivalent to the IT task but avoided the embedding
of movement cues within the task.
W hite (1996) has argued that the relevant criterion for designing pattern masking
tasks is that the targets are clearly distinguishable from the mask; the num bers of
targets or the relationships between targets are irrelevant. On these grounds the ® rst
hypothesis was therefore that the two tasks would be equivalent except that the
alphanumeric task may provide a `purer’ measure of speed of visual processing.
Nevertheless, the two tasks should produce the sam e pattern of results to diŒ
erent
levels of VLT or target contrast.
Speci® c hypotheses were: (1) compared with young adults, elderly adults have
longer ITs (in the case of the alphanumeric task the more general term CSOA will be
employed); (2) IT (or CSOA) will not be signi® cantly diŒ
erent for the no-window
and light body-tint window conditions, irrespective of the target contrast; (3) for the
35% VLT condition, IT (or CSOA) will be signi® cantly longer than for the 100 and
81.3% VL T conditions; and (4) this increase will be greater for the elderly group and
will be greater for the low-contrast target condition than for the high-contrast target
condition. Support for these hypotheses would imply that 35% VLT level would
ect all drivers when viewing through the front side windows of
vehicles under night-time conditions; this eŒ
ect would be exacerbated for elderly
drivers because of the slower processing speed found in the elderly.
3.1.1. Participants: Twenty-six participants were recruited into two groups; one
comprised nine males and four females with a mean age of 73.9 (SD = 2.4) years,
and the other comprised four males and nine females with a mean age of 24.0
(SD = 2.2) years. The former group was recruited from the general community;
® ve had education at the tertiary level and eight at the upper secondary level. All
of the latter group were university students. It was again considered unlikely that
erences in IQ between groups would in¯ uence the outcome. Potential
participants underwent optometric testing (see below) to preclude any with
abnormal vision; all held a current driver’ s licence and drove a vehicle at least
weekly. Elderly participants were paid A$30 on completion of their participation in
3.1.2. Optom etric testing: All potential participants attended the sam e optometric
clinic as in experiment 1. Again, a standard optometric examination was performed.
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Only those participants with vision, contrast sensitivity and ocular physiology
deemed normal continued their participation in the experiment.
3.1.3. Car windows : Two identical, new front side windows were purchased from a
local spare parts supplier. For one, an automotive window tinting retailer applied a
tint ® lm. VLT levels were measured in accordance with the Code of Practice for
Surface Film s for M otor Vehicle W indows (South Australian Departm ent of
Transport, April 1992). The windows as purchased had a VLT of 81.3% ; after the
application of the ® lm the tinted window had a VLT of 35.1% .
3.1.4. Stimuli and tasks: All stimuli were presented on a high-performance monitor
(with a vertical refresh rate of 120 Hz) under the control of a PC running at 90 M Hz
and ® tted with a video accelerator card. The tim ing of stimuli was controlled by use
of the vertical retrace ¯ ag of the video card and the stimuli were redrawn during the
vertical retrace; this meant that the stimuli were presented for durations that were
multiples of 8.3 ms. To manipulate target contrast the stim uli were drawn in two
com binations. The ® rst combination used white targets and masks presented on a
black background; this was the high-contrast condition. For the low-contrast
condition light-grey targets and masks appeared on a dark-grey background.
The IT task was very sim ilar to that used in experiment 1. The alternative target
stim uli consisted of two vertical lines joined at the top by a horizontal line; the longer
line subtended a visual an gle of 0.6 8 and the shorter line subtended a visual angle of
1.2 8 . The horizontal distance between the vertical lines subtended a visual angle of
0.6 8 . The mask consisted of the same horizontal line as in the target ® gure and two
vertical lines which subtended a visual angle of 1.8 8 . These lines were the same
thickness as the target lines and overwrote the target lines. The alphanumeric task
consisted of the presentation, on each trial, of one of eight segm ented alphanumeric
characters: `2’ , `3’ , `5’ , `7’ , `F’ , `H’ , `U’ and `Y’ . Each element of the alphanumeric
characters subtended a visual angle of 0.5 8 . The mask consisted of a segmented
matrix consisting of 31 elements each subtending a visual angle of 0.5 8 (® gure 3). The
central elem ents of this mask, in various combinations, constituted the target ® gures.
Each trial began with the presentation of two small circles, one above and one
below the position where the target would appear; after 523 ms the target was drawn
and rem ained on the screen for the SOA determined by the estim ation algorithm, the
initial SOA being 315 ms. Each of the targets appeared equiprobably. After the SOA
the mask was drawn and remained on the screen for 374 ms. The participant
responded verbally as to which side the shorter line had appeared (for the IT task),
or nominated which of the characters had appeared (for the alphanumeric task). If
unable to discriminate which target had appeared the participant was required to
guess; the experimenter pressed the corresponding button on a custom response
board. Two seconds after the response, the next trial was presented.
3.1.5. Design: There were two exp erimental sessions. At one session conditions
involving the IT task were com pleted and at the other conditions involving the
alphanumeric task were completed; the order of sessions was balanced across
participants. W ithin a session there were six experimental conditions corresponding
to two levels of target contrast (high versus low) an d three levels of tinting (100, 81.3
and 35.1% VLT). The tasks involving one of the contrast levels were completed in
the order 100, 81.3 and 35.1% VLT. The tasks with the other level of contrast were
then completed in the same order; the order of contrast was balanced across
participants. Additionally, the 100% VLT condition, with the high-contrast target,
was repeated at the end of the experimental session. This order of VLT conditions
meant that the practice eŒ
ect for each task operated against the hypothesis of
decrement in perform ance (i.e. increase in IT or CSOA) with decrease in VL T level.
3.1.6. Procedure: The participant was seated in a dimly lit room (vertical
illumination at eye-level was 2.2 lx) at 0.75 m from the computer monitor.
Spectacles, specially prescribed to correct vision for this viewing distance were worn
by 10 of the elderly participants. For the conditions requiring viewing through one of
the windows, the window was placed between the participant and the computer
monitor at 0.25 m from the monitor.
The task to be performed at the experimental session was explained using
diagram s and presentations of unmasked stimuli on the monitor. U nm asked trials
were then presented with a duration of 830 ms; all participants practiced until
performance was error-free for 20 consecutive trials. To familiarize the participant
with the low-contrast target, viewed through the 35.1% VLT window, 10 unmasked
trials with a duration of 830 ms were presented. N ext, the participant was required
to perform to a criterion level for the low-contrast target viewed through the 35.1%
VLT window; 15 of 16 unmasked trials with a duration of 33 ms were required to be
correctly discriminated. All participants met this criterion. These explanations,
practice and criterion procedures required approxim ately 30 min, which was
considered su cient time for dark adaptation (Davson 1990 : 219 ± 220).
Next, the estimation procedure was explained with emphasis placed on the
requirem ent for accuracy of responding as opposed to speed of responding. Before
the ® rst experim ental condition comm enced three sets of practice trials for this
condition were presented. These consisted of 10 trials each at SOA s of 830, 415 and
315 ms; perfect performance was required at the ® rst two SOAs and nine out of 10
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correct trials were required at the last SOA before the experimental conditions
began. In this experiment the adaptive staircase algorithm was set to return an IT
estimate (or CSOA) at the 80% accuracy level.
3.2. Results
The results for the two pattern masking tasks were analysed separately. Figure 4
shows the mean IT m easures plotted for each condition.
Repeated measures ANOVA determ ined that the three-way interaction between
age group, target contrast and VLT level was not signi® cant (Pillai’ s trace = 0.12,
F(2,23) = 1.66, p = 0.21). The pattern of the results was, however, similar to that of
experiment 1 and the non-signi® cance of the three-way interaction appears to be due
to the great variability in performance on the IT task of the elderly sample. It can be
seen in ® gure 4 that, for the elderly group, the SDs were approxim ately half the
magnitude of the mean IT estimates but for the young group they were only one-
third of the magnitude of the mean IT estimates.
Examination of ® gure 4 con® rms that the elderly had longer IT estimates than
the young (F(1,24) = 12.55, p < 0.05). The interaction between target contrast and
age group was signi® cant (F(1,24) = 10.03, p < 0.05); IT estimates were longer in the
low-contrast target condition for the elderly. It can be seen that, as expected, there
was little diŒ
erence between the IT estimates for the 100 and 81.3% VL T conditions
in either contrast condition for either age group (t(24) = 0.84, p = 0.41). Conse-
quently, tests of the eΠof 35.1% VLT on IT were m ade against the mean of the
ect
100 and 81.3% VL T conditions. The interaction between age group and the eΠof
ect
35.1% VLT was signi® cant (t(24) = 3.89, p < 0.001), an d the interaction between
contrast and the eŒ of 35.1% VLT was signi® cant (t(24) = 2.58, p < 0.05). It can
ect
be concluded that the elderly had increased IT estimates with 35.1% VLT and that
this increase was greater for the low-contrast target condition. As was the case for
the overall three-way interaction (see above), the interaction between target contrast
eŒ
ect, the eŒ
ect of 35.1% VL T and age group was not signi® cant (t(24) = 1.34,
p = 0.19). The results for this task, then, support the experimental hyp otheses and
are consistent with the outcome of experiment 1.
Contrary to our hyp othesis, the outcome for the alphanumeric task was diŒ
erent
from that of the IT task. Figure 5 shows the m ean CSO A measures plotted for each
condition.
Examination of ® gure 5 con® rms that the elderly had longer CSO A estimates
than the young (F(1,24) = 13.23 , p < 0.05). U nlike the IT task, however, there was a
signi® cant diŒ
erence between the 100 and 81.3% VLT conditions (t(24) = 2.65,
p < 0.05); this may re¯ ect a practice eŒ
ect. The extent of any practice eΠcan be
ect
gauged by comparing performance on the high-contrast target with 100% VLT
condition with the estim ate for the sam e condition repeated at the end of the
experiment. For approximately half of the participants this was the ® rst experimental
condition com pleted and for the others it was the fourth experimental condition.
Therefore, any im provement in performance found in the repeated performance of
this condition will underestimate the extent of any practice eŒ
ect. The m ean CSOA
for the experimental condition for the young sample was 44 ms (SD = 10) and for
the repeat of the condition 37 ms (SD = 9). This was a signi® cant improvement
(t(12) = 4.48, p < 0.05). For the elderly, the mean CSOAs were 60 m s (SD = 14) and
51 ms (SD = 12) respectively (t(12) = 3.07, p < 0.05). The interaction between target
contrast and age group was not signi® cant (F(1,24) = 3.94, p = 0.06). Therefore, to
test the hypotheses with respect to 35.1% VLT the ANOVA was restricted to two
levels of VLT, 83.1 and 35.1% . The interaction between age group and the eΠof
ect
35.1% VLT was signi® cant (F(1,24) = 5.63, p < 0.05); examination of ® gure 5 reveals
that this was due to an increase in CSO A for the elderly. There were no other
signi® cant eŒ
ects. Nevertheless, this task again demonstrated an eŒ
ect, on the
elderly, of decreasing VL T to 35% . This ® nding then is consistent with that found
for the IT task in this experiment and in experiment 1. The diŒ
erence between the
overall outcome on this task compared with the IT task, however, suggests that the
assumption that this and the IT task are qualitatively the same was mistaken; the
implications of this are discussed below.
3.3. Discussion
The ® nding from experiment 1 that backward pattern masking CSOAs (including
IT) were longer for the elderly was replicated. In experiment 2, however, it was found
that for the IT task this decrement in performance for the elderly was not consistent
across participants. Those participants found to have longer IT estimates under
optim al viewing conditions showed the greatest decrement in performance for the
worst-case viewing conditions. This ® nding may have practical implications in that
not all elderly drivers will be aŒ
ected to the same extent by decreased VLT levels.
That some will be quite seriously aŒ
ected means that legislation concerning
perm issible VLT levels for car windows needs to be framed to take account of this
group.
It was found that there was no diŒ
erence between viewing with 100% VLT or
81.3% VLT, except for an improvement in performance on the alphanumeric task
for the 81.3% VLT condition attributable to practice. The implication of this is that
the use of windows carrying a light body-tint poses no increased risk of road
accidents even in marginal viewing conditions. On the other hand, for both the IT
task and the alphanumeric task the results showed that the elderly are detrimentally
aŒ
ected by reduction in VL T level to 35% ; the IT or CSOA estimates were longer for
the elderly with 35% VLT and this eΠwas greater for low-contrast targets. The
ect
implication of this is that, for the conditions most likely to apply when viewing
through the front side windows of a vehicle at night-tim e, the elderly are
com prom ised in their ability to scan the road environm ent adequately.
The diŒ
erences found between the IT task an d the alphanumeric task are in some
respects puzzling. W hite (1996) explained that according to the integration theory of
backward pattern masking the `relevant criterion for a simple sequential ® gural
discrimination is that the targets, however many they might be, are clearly
distinguishable from the mask’ (p. 356). It was on this basis that the alphanumeric
task used here was designed; pilot studies had shown that performance with this task
and the IT task were equivalent. The results here, then, were contrary to our
expectation. The explanation for this appears to be two-fold. In the pilot study
referred to the participants were highly practiced at the IT task and it is possible that
rather than making a judgement as to which of two lines was shorter they were
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recognizing the ® gure as a whole. This is precisely what the alphanumeric task
involves. Rather than making a discrimination or judgement about the target ® gure,
what is actually required is the recognition of the target. Given that our participants
were all highly familiar with the letters and num bers used as the targets, but naive
with respect to the IT task, then this may account for the diŒ
erence in the pattern of
the results for the two tasks. That is, rather than using highly overlearned characters
as targets it would have been better to design a task with more targets to be
discriminated but that were unfamiliar to the participants.
There are practical implications arising from this unexpected ® nding. Given that
the major concern with respect to the level of tinting for front side windows is with
whether lowered VLTs will increase the likelihood of road crashes due to a failure to
detect the presence of low-contrast targets under night-time viewing conditions,
then, our results suggest that concern is warranted. The IT task requires the
detection of a small diŒ
erence in the length of two lines, not the recognition of an
overlearned character. Similarly, the detection of the presence of a cyclist or
pedestrian through the front side window on a rainy night at an ill-lit intersection
requires the detection of a small diŒ
erence in ® gure-background contrast or of a
¯ icker of movem ent. The IT task may have better captured the essence of sensory
conspicuity and therefore the results for the task may be m ore ecologically valid.
4. General discussion and conclusions
As noted above, this study was the ® rst to use backward pattern m asking tasks to
index the eŒ
ect of reduced VLT on visual performance. Experiment 1 clearly
demonstrated that there was a decrement in performance associated with decreased
VLT level over the range 62 ± 20% . This ® nding was consistent with those of earlier
studies (Rompe and Engel 1987 , Derkum 1993 , Freedm an et al. 1993). Experiment 2
attempted to determine whether this decrement in performance applied for
conditions that sim ulated the driving tasks associated with driving in marginal
conditions and speci® cally those tasks performed through the front side window.
The outcome was that 35% VLT, the level being proposed as the standard for all
windows except the windshield, deleteriously aŒ
ected the elderly. It was noted that
this eŒ
ect was more pronounced for those of the elderly whose speed of visual
processing showed most senescent decline. However, all participants in this study
had been found to have normal vision and ocular physiology and all were licenced
drivers.
As noted in the discussion of experiment 2, the IT task may have provided some
ecological validity in assessing the eŒ
ects of reduced VLT on elderly drivers. Three
earlier laboratory based studies (Rompe and Engel 1987 , Derkum 1993 , Freedman et
al. 1993) also found perform ance decrements as VLT was decreased. However, an
empirical study in the ® eld may be required to provide de® nitive evidence on the
eŒ
ects found in the experiments reported here.
One issue that was raised by some of the elderly participants in these experiments
is worth commenting on; often elderly drivers are aw are of their lim itations and limit
their driving accordingly. For example, the elderly are believed to reduce their rate of
everyday, night and peak-hour driving (Ernszt and O’ Connor 1988). Cognisance of
this should be tempered by the expectation that, in W estern societies, the num bers of
elderly drivers is increasing rapidly (in line with the ageing of these populations).
On the basis of the experiments reported here, the conclusion is drawn that the
level of tinting for front side windows should not be reduced to 35% VLT. A
conservative level would be the same as that for the PVA of the windshield. The
results found here suggest that such a level poses no increased risk of road crashes
due to decrem ent in visual performance.
Acknowledgements
W e are grateful to Caroline M iller and Sally G oodwin for recruitment of the
participants and collection of the data for the second experiment. Our thanks to
Andrew Gri ths for the optometric examinations and his input to the research. The
® rst exp eriment form ed part of the requirements for an Honours degree in Psychology
made by J.W ., supervised by M .W . The second experiment was supported by a grant
from the Australian Federal O ce of Road Safety to Ted N ettelbeck.

THE END

[Tux]

There you go. Pretty obvious really.

[DracZ]

Anyone got cliff notes? 2 pages for window tint? :read:

[Corey_R]

The cliff notes are, if you run below 35% tint on your front driver and passenger windows, you're an idiot, because unlike many other 'discussions' which are based on opinion, this one is based on scientific fact!

As Maverick stated, this is one of those laws where there is conclusive scientific evidence to back it up. :)

[tdiwabbit]

Those that live east of Melbourne I can recommend very highly, John from Ringwood, he uses scotch 3m carbon tint and comes up looking very nice, it is not metalic. He did two of my new mazdas and friends golf few years ago, getting new cars and will be using him again. Twilight auto tint, ringwood. Lifetime warranty against colur change (purpel), bubbling, demetalising.

[emuexport]

Can anyone recommend a perth tinter?

[JIMMYP]

Does anyone know what type of tint matches the rear privacy glass on the MKVI Golf? There was another discussion thread about this, but doesn't seem to have resolved the issue. Can anyone help?

Also, is it possible to get just plain UV tinting (i.e. no colour/darkness change)?

Thanks alot!

[nau]

Also, is it possible to get just plain UV tinting (i.e. no colour/darkness change)?

Yes there is one, ask in the shop cost pretty much the same as all others
from what I saw on a demo it adds a little bit of reflection when you look on a angle but other thn that got no color what so ever

[Corey_R]

Yes there is one, ask in the shop cost pretty much the same as all others
from what I saw on a demo it adds a little bit of reflection when you look on a angle but other thn that got no color what so ever

Are you sure it costs no more than the rest?
The 'clear' tints use real gold as their metallic layer to block heat etc. Because of this, they're at least twice the cost of a other tints which use steel and other similar metals.

Unless I'm getting confused and you're literally talking about something which JUST blocks UV and does NOT block heat.

[nau]

Are you sure it costs no more than the rest?

dont quote me on that but when I was doing my tint last week I asked about prices for everything they had on display and from memory they were all more or less the same (+\-$50-100) difference except some protection tint (that makes your windows stronger) but
give TintACar a call for example and chk

[JIMMYP]

Does anyone know if the number posted for Martin is the wrong mobile number? It keeps stating it's switched off or not in service - the last couple of days.

???

[dopey]

Does anyone know if the number posted for Martin is the wrong mobile number? It keeps stating it's switched off or not in service - the last couple of days.

???

Phone:
0424 725 250

Email:
martin@groundzerotint.com


That's definitely the right number. Maybe his phone is playing up or something... try the email, if all else fails try calling Daniel Gardiner @ Platinum Car Security as they share the same building together, 0411 101 737, let him know that Martins phone is doing funny things.

[JIMMYP]

Apparently Martin is away, but will be back on the 22nd.

Thanks again!

:banana::banana::banana:

[GHW]

Hi All,

Does anyone know of a really good tinter in Briz?
Not after the cheapest, I'd rather pay for the best
Any suggestions appreciated

cheers

[sharkablue]

Hey guys,

I have read up on the previous threads and alot of them seem to be comparing tints to match the rear tint you can get optioned onto the MK6 Golf.

I didnt get this optioned on, so this thread if really just about the tint-a-car tints, which ones are good, and how much you paid.

I was looking on their website and found these:

- Formula 1
- Bolle'
- Octane
- Cosmo
- Midnights Express
- Viva
- Unbreakable

I previously had Midnight express done on my previous car and it looked fine. However there are a few more options now compared to when I got mine done, and I was wondering what people recommenced and what the differences actually were between them? as the website seems to be lacking actual specs on the tint.

I am getting a White 3 Door GTI if that helps with what tint I should get?

Thanks.

[booya]

I brought my car in for midnight express (which I had on a previous car and was happy) but the guy had no current stock of it so he agreed to do Formula 1 for the same price as midnight express.
It has a lifetime warranty but I think that's quite academic since you'd have gotten rid of the car within several years anyway.
What I do notice:
1. Formula 1 is not as dark as ME, however, its only very slight. My previous car had a light interior, my current GTI has black leather so from the outside, it is just as dark looking as the ME.
2. Looking out of the car seems clearer with Formula 1 at night, though only very subtle, probably because you can still make out colours of cars better.
3. In bright sunlight, the Formula 1 reflects more light back giving it almost a mirror finish (the ME is more matt black and doesn't reflect as much).

Let me know how you go on your decision.
PS I probably wouldn't pay MORE for the Formula 1 unless he could give you a similar deal/price to match ME.

[sharkablue]

I have sent an email off to my local tint-a-car to get a quote on Midnight Express and Forumla 1. I dont know what to expect price wise.

Should it be cheaper since im getting the 3 Door Golf?

Now I think about it, Id imagine that putting the tint on the rear glass on the 3 Door GTI would be a pain, because you cant open the doors and work outside the car?

Or is the tint installed on the outside of the car?

[Corey_R]

The Tint is installed on the inside of the windows. I don't think it should really have any effect on the cost whether it's a 3 door or 5 door. It's much of a muchness which one takes the longest, and it isn't really any harder for them to work from the backseat - apart from the water is dripping into the car (they'll have towels and stuff, so don't stress).

[Sebast]

jason at PREMIER TINT {kings Park } ...top bloke and really good prices !!!!!

[raz]

i can vouch for this guy
Option Window Tinting
Vi Cuong Ta - sales@optiontint.com.au
Unit B7 / 303 The Horsley Drive
Fairfield, New South Wales 2165
Phone 02 9725 6914
Fax 02 9728 3196

Provides Free Estimates
www.optiontint.com

took my brand new car to him 5 door and he did an amazing job plus he an auth solar gaurd installer
i do know he also does work for a few dealers as well .

[G-rig]

Be good if you could order no dark glass from the factory (for cars that come with it stock), is that possible?

[Simz]

if you get sports pack you get the stupid glasses no way around i think. i asked and the dealers said they cant do it. when you do your tine use a darker one in the front and a lighter one in the back and it should look the same. i'll post a pick if i get a chance

[G-rig]

Cheers, didn't think it would be possilbe.

would be much better without it, then get the whole car tinted at an aftermarket place.

I had Sungard Eclipse tint on my last car and looked awesome, good film.

[Simz]

i got motor1 i think
25% front and 35% back i'll take a photo when it;s bright again with my ghetto phone camera

[Titanium]

Another recommendation for Rob from Hunters Hill Window Tinting. Decided that with the forum reviews on him being positive to try him. He came to my place and did tint on my other car (Not a VW, shock horror!). Very neat job, professional, meticulous and also punctual. Said he would be there at 7am, he was. All up took about 1 1/2 hours.
No affiliation etc, just a happy customer.
Robert Salvia 0418 464 185 (he mentioned he had done alot of Golf's)

[elisiX]

Dave @ Reflect Effect did mine. Brilliant.

http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2010/06/DSC_0041-1.jpg
http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2010/06/DSC_0048-1.jpg

[ConR]

Dave @ Reflect Effect did mine. Brilliant.

http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2010/06/DSC_0048-1.jpg

Wow man...that looks really dark!

[Corey_R]

i got motor1 i think
25% front and 35% back i'll take a photo when it;s bright again with my ghetto phone camera

Why would you have the darker (illegal) tint on the front windows, and the lighter (legal) tint on the rear windows? Did you mean the other way around? That would be how most people would have it when getting two different VLT % tints.

[GHW]

Looks great and would be totally illegal in Qld.

[dopey]

Got my white 103TDI tinted at Reflect Effect (*LINK* (http://www.reflecteffect.com.au)) earlier in the week, very happy with the job. I went with a new Johnstone 20% film all round this time, this is my new favourite film. It's a great shade. Will take pics soon.

[Maverick]

Got my white 103TDI tinted at Reflect Effect (*LINK* (http://www.reflecteffect.com.au)) earlier in the week, very happy with the job. I went with a new Johnstone 20% film all round this time, this is my new favourite film. It's a great shade. Will take pics soon.

I'm not sure they will appreciate you advertising that they are willing to fit illegal and dangerous tint to vehicles.

[dopey]

I'm not sure they will appreciate you advertising that they are willing to fit illegal and dangerous tint to vehicles.

It's not illegal for them to do the tinting at all, what I choose to run on the street on my car is my problem. Dangerous? Get off your high horse clown. It's only a smidge darker to look out of than the 35% film and I've had no issues with vision even at night in the rain. Not saying anyone else has to take the same path, but I am very happy with this particular film hence sharing.

[ARGH36]

Got my white 103TDI tinted at Reflect Effect (*LINK* (http://www.reflecteffect.com.au)) earlier in the week, very happy with the job. I went with a new Johnstone 20% film all round this time, this is my new favourite film. It's a great shade. Will take pics soon.

Do they do those colored tints you now see? I wouldn't mind getting my with a tinge of blue like this:

http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/

[Maverick]

It's not illegal for them to do the tinting at all, what I choose to run on the street on my car is my problem. Dangerous? Get off your high horse clown. It's only a smidge darker to look out of than the 35% film and I've had no issues with vision even at night in the rain. Not saying anyone else has to take the same path, but I am very happy with this particular film hence sharing.

It's illegal for them to do the tinting. Your comment that "what you run on the street on your car is your problem" shows that you don't give a damn about other road users.

The difference between 35% and 20% is dramatic, I've posted the facts here - http://www.vwwatercooled.org.au/f112/best-window-tint-business-40510-2.html#post498072 - the fact is that having dark tint is stupid for the reasons given. You can claim all you like that your vision is not affected and the difference between 35% and 20% is nothing but scientific tests have proven that your vision is affected in a big way.

[Corey_R]

Do they do those colored tints you now see? I wouldn't mind getting my with a tinge of blue like this:
Coloured tints and reflective (mirror) tints are also illegal in Australia...

[G-rig]

I thought there were people that work for insurance companies on here that say a claim won't get denied due to tints being too dark etc.

No point getting too dark anyway as you can't see out at night, better off going for something a bit reflective (read not mirror) which reflects heat and light better anyway.

[Maverick]

I thought there were people that work for insurance companies on here that say a claim won't get denied due to tints being too dark etc.

No point getting too dark anyway as you can't see out at night, better off going for something a bit reflective (read not mirror) which reflects heat and light better anyway.

The PDS says you can be denied if the car is unroadworthy and/or you contributed to the accident and so on. The PDS is what matters as it spells out your obligations in black and white and window tint is not something you can easily cover up after an accident.

If police decide your illegal tint contributed to an accident you can be charged and if someone is hurt or killed you could end up doing time.

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[ARGH36]

Talk about a world gone politically mad!

What a bunch of panzies!

[Maverick]

Talk about a world gone politically mad!

What a bunch of panzies!

It has nothing to do with political correctness but everything to do with common sense and consideration for others (drivers, cyclists and pedestrians) which is clearly lacking from many people. Personally I don't give a stuff if people want to use a 5% tint and kill themselves but the risk is that they won't see a pedestrian or cyclist and end up running them over because their windows are so dark.

Of course if you're the type of person that thinks driving around with dark sunglasses on at night is safe of course you'd disagree.

[G-rig]

Should be ok as long as you don't go too dark like on old silvias.. Doubt you'd get in trouble for 20-25%.

[Maverick]

Should be ok as long as you don't go too dark like on old silvias.. Doubt you'd get in trouble for 20-25%.

That's a bit rough when studies have shown that maximum tint should be 70% as even 35% cuts down visibility especially at night.

source: http://casr.adelaide.edu.au/reports/CASR002.pdf
(includes photos for those that wear sunglasses at night)

[Corey_R]

That's actually not a bad link Maverick. It points out a very interesting point that I hadn't considered, and I'm sure others had not considered. It's not just the driver who needs to be able to see through the windows, it's other drivers, padestrians and cyclists etc.

Particularly interesting was the situation of another drive needing to see through the windows of the car beside them at an intersection to check for cars about the go through the intersection. If you have 35% VLT tint, that means the other driver only has 12% VLT (35% x 35% presuming they themselves no no tint). So someone with 20% VLT tint would mean that there would only be 4% VLT from one side to the other, effectively making your windows opaque!!!

Does South Australia still have a minimum VLT of 70% for the front side windows?

Anyway. This is a really dumb topic for people to argue against. It's not a subject like "hey, do my 30" chromies look good or not", it's a measurable scientific situation. The studies have been done, and really, unless you've performed your own study, there isn't much to argue about.

[AdamD]

It has nothing to do with political correctness but everything to do with common sense and consideration for others (drivers, cyclists and pedestrians) which is clearly lacking from many people. Personally I don't give a stuff if people want to use a 5% tint and kill themselves but the risk is that they won't see a pedestrian or cyclist and end up running them over because their windows are so dark.

Fantastic comment Maverick - I'm glad someone's said it so clearly.

As a recreational cyclist, being seen by other road users is of paramount importance to me. The roads are so busy these days, that drivers need all the help they can get to spot and avoid obstacles in the road - whether those obstacles be legally in the right or not.

[Pepe]

+1 to Rob from Hunters Hill Tinting

Did my R tonight, very flexible, came to my place, great price ($200 cheaper than Tintacar quoted and I got the sunroof done too). He had a great range available (seems like every piece of glass on his truck has a different type heh) so we tried a few things out and found a good option.

Will take about a week to settle and dry out, but looks fantastic already.

[DeeViouS]

Getting mine done at solar tint blacktown right at this moment! Darkest legal =]

[Angryman]

When I was in traffic branch I also found darker tint to be a pain in the ass cause it was harder to give out seatbelt and mobile phone tickets :)

[Banzai]

I recently had my 3-door done by Dave at Reflect Effect (http://www.reflecteffect.com.au/) at North Rocks. Good price and, as far as I can tell, a good job.

[REXman]

Personally I don't give a stuff if people want to use a 5% tint and kill themselves but the risk is that they won't see a pedestrian or cyclist and end up running them over because their windows are so dark.
.

Maybe you guys are getting too old or something - im not exactly 18 anymore.. or maybe you cant drive!

Getting dark tints leading to deaths is just ludicrous and the same crap the RTA push when they tell you how its unsafe to text when driving but fine to change the radio station..

I have had dark tints with no issues before. I dont wear sunglasses at night.

Cheers.

[Corey_R]

Lets just leave the topic of <35% VLT tint alone ok.

Anyone who puts darker than 35% VLT tint on their car is committing a crime, ok, full stop. It's illegal. Just like speeding is also illegal. We don't discuss these things on these forums, them the rules.

There have been enough scientific studies to prove that 35% VLT is the minimum safe level (although even those show that front passenger and driver windows should be higher, hence in at least SA the minimum on those windows is 70% VLT). The studies also highlight what most people here have always overlooked - It's not just whether you can see out which is the issue, it's whether other drivers/cyclists/padestrians can see YOU, and see THROUGH your car to whats on the other side.

A simple calculation for seeing through your car is .35 x .35 = .1225
In other words, if a driver is sitting at an intersection next to your legally tinted 35% car and needs to see through both windows to see if there is a car coming, they only have 12.25% light transference - and that's not including if they've got tint themselves.

Someone with illegal 20% tint, only has 4% light transference across the car....

Therefore it's all pointless arguing that "I can see fine" - it's completely not the point of why below 35% VLT is illegal.

In the end you can do what you like, because it is you that has to face the consequences, but lets just leave the discussion closed on that. Cheers.

[blanch0b]

for anyone living in Perth, i just got my car tinted at the west perth tintacar, they did a great job in applying the octane film, and for a good price.... however i did notice on the odometer that they took the car for a 3-4km spin, which i wouldnt mind if they told me, but they didnt.....

hopefully i wont get a speeding ticket as no doubt they thrashed it... thankfully the car is fine

just thought id advise given the title of this thread is 'best window tint business'....i probably wont be going back to them with my subsequent cars given this.....

[Coaster]

I got the Formula 1 tint at Tint-A-Car in Morley. They did a great job, nothing wrong at all.
Formula 1 isn't the darkest legal tint, I don't like it too dark for visibility reasons esp. at night.
I often ride a bike and it is important to know that other drivers waiting at intersections have seen me and are waiting for me.

Another big reason I got Formula 1 is that it is SPF50+.

[mr fox]

blanch0b can you post a picture as i too have been looking at the octane and bolle tints from tintacar...

[Flighter]

This is a repost from another thread for those interested in so-called "street legal" tints etc.

I had my car tinted by the dealer, but as they knew absolutely nothing about the product range (other than "this is what 98% of people buy"), I eventually got details of who does it on their behalf and spoke with them about the specific properties of each. What might be of interest is that the "street legal" tint they offered is not street legal at all, being 27% (if I remember correctly) and not 35% as required. They also showed me how they get access to the bottom of the side windows; they simply pull the tops out by a couple of inches by clawing in between the glass and the trim with their fingers, and push them back in when they are done.

[Corey_R]

Keep in mind guys that most tint companies have multiple 'models' of tint in their line, and each 'model' usually has multiple VLT % ratings.

So just because someone gets a product which is 27%, does not mean that the product is not available in 35% or higher.

For example, here is the listing of Solar Gard Australia's products (http://www.solargard.com.au/Auto/Performance). They've got 8 different tint models, which have between 4 and 8 VLT % ratings. Solar Gard are the manufacturer of the Supreme (http://www.solargard.com.au/Auto/Supreme) and HP Supreme (http://www.solargard.com.au/Auto/HP_Supreme) products which have been said to closely match the "factory tint" glass being offered. There is another product specifically made to match the VW factory tint, however it's not available in Australia.

More information can be found in the MK6 Front Tint to match factory 'Dark Tint' option (http://www.vwwatercooled.org.au/f112/mk6-front-tint-match-factory-dark-tint-option-32781-19.html) thread.

[blanch0b]

mr fox - ill post a pick in this thread when i get a chance.......... it does look pretty sweet on my silver gti

[mr fox]

no rush mate but the more pics the better...

[rs73]

I got mine done by Tint-a-Car north melbourne in Arden st... they've done quite a few MK6 they said.. did a GTD a few days before they did mine.

[Converted]

for anyone living in Perth, i just got my car tinted at the west perth tintacar, they did a great job in applying the octane film, and for a good price.... however i did notice on the odometer that they took the car for a 3-4km spin, which i wouldnt mind if they told me, but they didnt.....

hopefully i wont get a speeding ticket as no doubt they thrashed it... thankfully the car is fine

just thought id advise given the title of this thread is 'best window tint business'....i probably wont be going back to them with my subsequent cars given this.....

Hi Fellow Perth'ie,
Sorry to hear about your recent experience, that just sux big time. Whether if they told you or not, i don't think any customer would be happy with that kind of attitude/service (taking it out for a spin). :mad:
I've booked mine in for next week with another Tint-A-Car franchise, will post pics to share once its done. I just hope they don't take it out for a joyride, you'll definately hear about this if it does happen.:blah:
Look forward to seeing all your tinted vehicles.

Cheers.

[blanch0b]

havnt quite figured out how to post a picture yet (it doesnt seem to me that u can upload a pic, it has to be hosted somewhere on the net) but i have made a pic of my car with the octane tint my profile pic - i know small but u kinda get the look :) very nice btw!!

[Corey_R]

You need to upload to a site like Photobucket, and then use the 'IMG' tag links that Photobucket supplies for each uploaded image. Details here (http://www.vwwatercooled.org.au/f10/uploading-images-45153.html)

[blanch0b]

thanks Coreying

Tried that this morning but my work blocks Photobucket along with all other photo sharings sites for being a 'social communication' website.... may try on the weekend between grand final festivities :)

[99Reza]

In Asia, there's V-Kool brand that provide solution for light visibility issues. Many car owner applied this film in their windscreen to help manage the tropic sun (yes they are much hotter compare to what we get). Not many people applied it all around since it's lousy for privacy (and pricey too) but if safety is the main concern, this film is worth considering.

[Corey_R]

Yeah... there is the Solar Gard LX-70 available in Australia (http://www.solargard.com.au/Commercial/LX70) for this purpose too. It's classed as a "clear tint". It provides 55% of TSER (Total Solar Energy Rejection), which is actually more than any lega automotive film available. But yes, as the "active" ingredient is actually gold foil, it's not inexpensive :)

[rageR]

Just got my car tinted by Dave From Reflect Effect.
I must say he did an awesome job & he came to me, very convinient. A+++
Got it tinted straight after i got it out of the dealer, Just couldn't drive my car without them done first. =)

[kakyoin01]

just put down deposit on a 118TSI with sports pack which comes with tinted rear windows

the dealer is offering me $295 to do a "matching" front

from reading the replies earlier on this thread, the darkest legal seems to be 0.35

my question would be:

1) is $295 for the front windows good?
2) if i have the stock sports tint, is 0.35 too dark for my front window? what number do i need to match the stock?

thanks.

[mr fox]

dealer just emailed me on a tint quote for my 5 door gti....$685.00????????

[Corey_R]

That's a bargain!

[mr fox]

is it really?

[Corey_R]

Frak no!
But why would you get a quote from a dealer on Window Tinting? It's just as crazy as someone who actually buys the paint/fabric/leather/protection/pixie dust from a dealer!

Cut out the middle-man and go straight to the people that specialise in what you need. You'll find that the quote for tint will cost (less than) half what the dealer has quoted.

[mr fox]

Ok, but i was hoping to do it prior to delivery...
I've been quoted $400.00 from tintacar Keilor, but they dont state what VLT,UVA+B,% and so forth...I need to know what im getting in regards to protection and quality..

[Corey_R]

So go to a tint place that can tell you the film that they're installing.
But then, if you must have it done before delivery, you'll just have to accept that you'll pay double for the privilege.

[rs73]

the only reason to get window tinting pre-delivery is if you're doing novated lease. most accessories are not claimable under most novated lease agreement unless they're included in the purchase price, pre-delivery...

but again, you'll have to weigh the benefit of having charged double for windows tinting vs the tax advantage of salary sacrifice scheme associated with novated lease, to some it may not matter but to others it may be better off to pay out of pocket post delivery.

if you're not doing any novated lease, forget about getting window tint pre-delivery they're just not worth it at all, do it afterwards will save you heaps and heaps of money. Tint-a-car charges about $299 for a whole car, could be less if the car already have rear privacy window and you're not fuss on having the tint matched all around and do just the fronts.

[CarbonVW]

Ok, but i was hoping to do it prior to delivery...
I've been quoted $400.00 from tintacar Keilor, but they dont state what VLT,UVA+B,% and so forth...I need to know what im getting in regards to protection and quality..

I might be able to help you out mate. Check your Private Messages.

[mr fox]

I might be able to help you out mate. Check your Private Messages.
Cheers Carbon VW....

[Stevemak]

I just got my Golf done today at Solarshade in wollongong...
$90 for the 2 windows, darkest legal tint! Bargain!!

[REXman]

I just got my Golf done today at Solarshade in wollongong...
$90 for the 2 windows, darkest legal tint! Bargain!!

Exactly.

Anything over $200 bucks and your getting bent over.

My dealer who gave me a great deal on the car, quoted me $595 for a window tint. Its hard hearing that and not almost getting offended!!

[Corey_R]

My dealer who gave me a great deal on the car, quoted me $595 for a window tint. Its hard hearing that and not almost getting offended!!

Our dealer did what?! For just the front two windows?
That's almost comical!
The Ming-mole didn't even try to sell me anything. I didn't even have to listen to her speech. I was telling them about 3M PPF and they decided to just not even bother! :D

[REXman]

Our dealer did what?! For just the front two windows?
That's almost comical!
The Ming-mole didn't even try to sell me anything. I didn't even have to listen to her speech. I was telling them about 3M PPF and they decided to just not even bother! :D

I hate the Ming-Mole!! :)

I did get stung though when I bought my MY03 WRX.. It was tints and "only" $1000 for the paint protection.

Then you find/work out that

a) As if the paint on a new car is going to fade in the next <10 years anyway!!
b) from the paint.panel shops I have asked - It does jack all for the money anyway!!

(I know I got a bird dropping stain that never came off.. I wanted good paint not an expensive insurance policy!!)

[driver19]

What are peoples thoughts on Tint-a-cars Octane VS Midnight Express?

I've got a white GTI coming and want to get as black and matte a look for the windows as the law will allow.

[Sebast]

Dont forget ..... 35% !!!!!!

[Stevemak]

Exactly.

Anything over $200 bucks and your getting bent over.

My dealer who gave me a great deal on the car, quoted me $595 for a window tint. Its hard hearing that and not almost getting offended!!

That's an absolute rip off, I don't care what type of film it is, at the end of the day it's just window tint so best to keep it simple.
I spoke to a lady at Denlo during the week, I was quoted $395. I must say though she was very friendly over the phone and asked how my car was going even though I didn't purchase from them :)

[brad]

the only reason to get window tinting pre-delivery is if you're doing novated lease. most accessories are not claimable under most novated lease agreement unless they're included in the purchase price, pre-delivery...


I'm on a novated lease & I just told my lease company I wanted my windows tinted by the company of my choice. They asked for a written quote & after I forwarded the quote, they sent me a cheque made out to the tint guy. Saved me about $200 on what the dealer wanted & got it pretax as well. Only downside is you pay it off over the life of the lease.

[Corey_R]

That's an absolute rip off, I don't care what type of film it is, at the end of the day it's just window tint so best to keep it simple.
I spoke to a lady at Denlo during the week, I was quoted $395. I must say though she was very friendly over the phone and asked how my car was going even though I didn't purchase from them :)

So like, do you think $395 is a good price?

[Stevemak]

So like, do you think $395 is a good price?

No I don't, but remember I got mine for $90 so $395 is way too much

[mr fox]

thank you CarbonVW for his contact, was quoted $250.00 for 35%, 99.99% reduction of UV rays and 100% SPF..
72% heat rejection..
65% glare reduction..
Lifetime guarantee and warranty..
Its fade resistant and uses metal cells di-electronic deposit with dye free multi-stack thin film technology..
From what i was told, its TOP OF ITS RANGE IN TINTS...

[Corey_R]

So what brand and model is it?

[mr fox]

So what brand and model is it?

ARMA TINT
dont know what brand they use..

[Corey_R]

You should find out.... that's the only way you know whether you're getting something good, or something TOO good to be true :)

[mr fox]

Shall do...What is good film and what is crap?
3M good... what else?
Solarguard?
Madico?

[m_f]

This is a bit premature, because there's still another 5 months before my R supposedly will arrive. I want to tint the front too and I have two options:
Option 1: Just tint the front - but how easy is it to match the level of tinting?
Option 2: Tint all windows to another level of tint. Do they have to peel the original tint off and then reapply the new tint?

Which option is better?

[Corey_R]

Hi m_f. You'd be best to look at the thread on that specific topic: http://www.vwwatercooled.org.au/f112/mk6-front-tint-match-factory-dark-tint-option-32781.html

[brad]

This is a bit premature, because there's still another 5 months before my R supposedly will arrive. I want to tint the front too and I have two options:
Option 1: Just tint the front - but how easy is it to match the level of tinting?
Option 2: Tint all windows to another level of tint. Do they have to peel the original tint off and then reapply the new tint?

Which option is better?

you can't peel the factory tint off. It is in the glass.

[Corey_R]

Which is all covered in the link on the topic...

[Corey_R]

Hey guys, I'd just like to give yet another resounding THUMBS UP to Rob at Hunters Hill Windows Tinting Service.

He tinted my R this morning (details here (http://www.vwwatercooled.org.au/f112/mk6-front-tint-match-factory-dark-tint-option-32781-20.html#post600926)) and I was thoroughly happy with the job. Took ~2 hours to do all the windows. Talking to him (and observing) whilst he performed the work showed that he obviously takes a lot of pride in the little details, and he was very careful and gentle with my new pride and joy (including being careful getting in and out of the leather seats and in and out of the back, since I have a 3 door!).

I used him on the several recommendations from other people in this thread, and so I didn't even ask him what he charged! But let me tell you, when it was time to hand over some money at the end of the job, I was very pleasantly surprised at the cost. :)

Robert Salvia 0418 464 185
Hunters Hill Windows Tinting Service
Operates from either: 36 Betty Hendry Parade North Ryde NSW 2113 or 49 Milling Street Hunters Hill NSW 2110, which ever is more convenient for you - or he can come to you.
tintboss@bigpond.com
Official Solargard Dealer (http://www.solargard.com.au/Default.aspx?Section=Dealer_Locator&Page=find_a_dealer&State=New%20South%20Wales)
He's also certified for home and office window tinting too! So lower your cooling AND heating bills by installing some tint!

[markwid]

Hey guys, I'd just like to give yet another resounding THUMBS UP to Rob at Hunters Hill Windows Tinting Service.

+2. Had 2 cars done by Rob. All good. Price is good too.

[joec]

Mr.fox which ARMA store did you get the quote from?

[SuperHans]

any recommendations for darkest legal tinters in brisbane?

[Corey_R]

Shouldn't you ask something more like any recommendations on the best workmanship, or the best price, or who installs a particular brand?

ALL tint shops can and will supply tint well beyond the darkest legal! Darkest legal is 35%. Most stock even 4% tints!
The reason is that it's perfectly legal on rear and rear side windows for commercial vehicles, for sunroofs, for the top 10% of your front windscreen, and of course, for home and office windows...

[joec]

I have a high urge/itch to get my MK6 GTI tinted. So far what I heard Tint-a-Car is overpriced and I would like to try other than Tint-Professor.

Can anyone suggest a best place around Melbourne?

[mr fox]

Mr.fox which ARMA store did you get the quote from?
ARMA in Essendon, Keilor Rd......However, i decided not to get tint and install VW Golf window blinds on th rear..(for the kids)

[bm2amb]

Finally (http://www.vwwatercooled.org.au/f112/very-very-disappoint-my-new-golf-6-dealer-53080.html) had my Golf Running..

Did lots research on Forum and Google, can't really find the most recommend window tint in Brisbane (most are in Sydney or Melbourne)

Whats the reasonable / valuable price for four side windows and rear window in year 2011?

This day they can fit without remove the panel !?

Thanks!

[stucam]

I am getting a new GTI with rear factory tinting. Can anyone tell me the difference between factory and after-market tinting? Cheers. S

[Corey_R]

Finally (http://www.vwwatercooled.org.au/f112/very-very-disappoint-my-new-golf-6-dealer-53080.html) had my Golf Running..

Did lots research on Forum and Google, can't really find the most recommend window tint in Brisbane (most are in Sydney or Melbourne)

Whats the reasonable / valuable price for four side windows and rear window in year 2011?

This day they can fit without remove the panel !?

Thanks!

I've merged your thread with this one. Please make sure you search the forums before creating new threads. Your answer is in here, and if it isn't, then it should be :)



I am getting a new GTI with rear factory tinting. Can anyone tell me the difference between factory and after-market tinting? Cheers. S

That question is more for the http://www.vwwatercooled.org.au/f112/mk6-front-tint-match-factory-dark-tint-option-32781.html thread.

[stucam]

Sorry for this. I use Tapatalk and its search function does not always return useful results. I did, and always try to search on related topics. Cheers. S

[Corey_R]

No problems.

[SuperHans]

Shouldn't you ask something more like any recommendations on the best workmanship, or the best price, or who installs a particular brand?

thats kinda what I meant to say yeah lol :)
basically if anyone can recommend a tinter around Brisbane? obviously want the best price for a quality job and quality product :)

[Romp]

I have cars tinted in Sydney by Rob Silva @ hunters hill tinting and Dave @ Reflect Effect.

Both jobs were awesome however I went with Dave for my golf as he has done so many of them for guys on the forums and knows them inside out. He also offers a bunch of other car detailing services and products which are handy.

[Corey_R]

Rob Silva did six Golf R's in the week that I had mine done, so I'd say he's pretty familiar with them too ;)

[joec]

I couldn't wait and got mine done by Tint-a-car 3 days ago (midnight express).

Has issue with the tinting where the passenger glass behind driver seat has a big gap (4mm) around the B-Pillar and also a particle tinted over the rear glass (looks like a string) *noticeable even when looking at the rear mirror.

Went back today spoke with the owner, and being told that that's the way it is and to come back in a week when its fully dried since he don't have the time now.:mad:

What do you guys reckon?

[Corey_R]

The "week to dry" thing is pretty standard. What may initially look like a defect, can clear up after a few days - especially if the car is left in the sunlight. But yeah, if there is 4mm gaps and bits of string under the tint, time isn't going to fix it.

I'm not sure what to suggest if you already spoke with the owner. Maybe Tint-a-car has a "Head office" where you could contact someone, send them some photos, and see if they can assist? (after the 1 week of course). However, if they're independant franchises with no "HQ", then all you can do is let everyone you know know that you are not happy with their work, and get the problems corrected by someone else...

[m_f]

I couldn't wait and got mine done by Tint-a-car 3 days ago (midnight express).

Has issue with the tinting where the passenger glass behind driver seat has a big gap (4mm) around the B-Pillar and also a particle tinted over the rear glass (looks like a string) *noticeable even when looking at the rear mirror.

Went back today spoke with the owner, and being told that that's the way it is and to come back in a week when its fully dried since he don't have the time now.:mad:

What do you guys reckon?

Which Tint-a-car did you go to? And what did you think of hte Midnight express to match the back?

[rank]

Here is someone that you SHOULD NOT go to. He goes by the name of "Mr Cool"

I have done a couple of cars through him before and he seemed ok. However, when you do have problems he would give you a range of excuses saying it's the car's fault, windows fault and etc. :mad:

It's his workmanship that I question. :facepalm:

I am not happy with the tints and only had problems after inspecting it a couple of days later. He had overheard me on the phone at one stage complaining about it after having shown him the problem. He said he will fix it but there won't be any warranty on the job (which is pretty lame).

From my personal experience, I WOULD NOT recommend Mr Cool to anyone for their tinting. :mad:

Stay the hell away from him if you appreciate your car.

[alias_vw]

Rob Silva did six Golf R's in the week that I had mine done, so I'd say he's pretty familiar with them too ;)

Thumbs up for Rob from me.

He did my 6R Polo GTI and it looks a treat. Quality job and no issues whatsoever.

[Pepe]

He said he will fix it but there won't be any warranty on the job (which is pretty lame).

It's also probably illegal, unless you specifically did something to invalidate your statutory warranty on goods and services.

[Spydar]

For guys in the inner west (sydney)...check out Oztint at Five Dock. Oz Tint - Home (http://www.oztint.com.au).

They actually do all the tint and protection work for Barloworld. But its at a fraction of the price, and you get to select what tint you want.

Couldn't be happier with the job.

[rank]

It's also probably illegal, unless you specifically did something to invalidate your statutory warranty on goods and services.


Yeah and that would be the last time I would use them or refer anyone to them. I didn't want to argue with "Mr Cool" about his worksmanship as he doesn't think there is anything wrong with his work. :rolleyes:

They get all defensive when you question their work and point out the faults. :facepalm:

[joec]

Which Tint-a-car did you go to? And what did you think of hte Midnight express to match the back?

It match perfectly which is the reason i lean towards Midnight Express over tint films offer by Tint Professor.

The tint is basically darker if you compare them, as for workmanship Tint Professor are much better off. I also suspect the type of tint that being used (thickness) which can determine how well the tint can fitted without gap which Tint Professor did brilliantly on their workmanship.

I see how it go next week with the shop owner before I start exposing his location.

[REXman]

Thumbs up for Rob from me.

He did my 6R Polo GTI and it looks a treat. Quality job and no issues whatsoever.

+10.

I used Rob's services on my R, not a problem. Really nice person and excellent workmanship.

Too Happy.

[Pook]

+11 for Rob, he's done both my cars and couldn't be happier.

[sunny]

how much did you guys get quoted for with Rob???

[Corey_R]

how much did you guys get quoted for with Rob???

I could tell you, but then it'd be misleading. There are numerous factors:
Repeat businses to start with
Type of car
Even number of doors and body style
Whether he comes to you or you go to him
If he comes to you, how far is it
The make and model of the film (not all film costs the same etc
Probably other things I can't think of right now


What I can say is this:
Rob is the most competent window tint specialist that I have ever met or witnessed working on the car, and his price was also the best that I've ever heard of or seen for the quality of the installation and film being used.

On top of this, he's a great guy and a car/bike enthusiast, so "waiting" for my car to be tinted was actually quite a pleasant experience.

Give him a call:
Hunters Hill Window Tinting
Robert Salvia - tintboss@bigpond.com
36 Betty Hendry Parade
NORTH RYDE, NSW 2113
Phone 0418 464 185
Fax 02 9889 3132

[brad]

mid $200 back in July 2008

[Ideo]

I've never used him (but will when my car arrives)

But every forum I have been on Rob's name keeps on coming up as the person to go to for excellent quality tinting.

[thefitzies]

Other than Sydney and Melbourne, any recommendations for a quality business in Brissy?

[sek]

I could tell you, but then it'd be misleading. There are numerous factors:
Repeat businses to start with
Type of car
Even number of doors and body style
Whether he comes to you or you go to him
If he comes to you, how far is it
The make and model of the film (not all film costs the same etc
Probably other things I can't think of right now


What I can say is this:
Rob is the most competent window tint specialist that I have ever met or witnessed working on the car, and his price was also the best that I've ever heard of or seen for the quality of the installation and film being used.

On top of this, he's a great guy and a car/bike enthusiast, so "waiting" for my car to be tinted was actually quite a pleasant experience.

Give him a call:
Hunters Hill Window Tinting
Robert Salvia - tintboss@bigpond.com
36 Betty Hendry Parade
NORTH RYDE, NSW 2113
Phone 0418 464 185
Fax 02 9889 3132

So Rob has a shop in North Ryde and Hunters Hills?

I'm absolutely sold in taking my business to Rob or Martin (when i get my GTI)

Just a question out of curiosity - In terms of tinting the windows for the front doors, do they physically have to take the door panel apart - ie how do they do it?

[Corey_R]

So Rob has a shop in North Ryde and Hunters Hills?
He has a workshop in the garage at properties in North Ryde and Hunters Hill. He can also come to you. It just depends on how busy he is and what's most convenient for the majority of customers on that day/week.


Just a question out of curiosity - In terms of tinting the windows for the front doors, do they physically have to take the door panel apart - ie how do they do it?
They don't have to day apart the door panel. The MK6 has been designed to allow tint to easily be installed.

[Tom_R]

Just had a tinting by Rob at North Ryde. Took less than 2 hours. Fantastic look. Professional job and great bloke.
Recommend ++++

[Klink1313]

Just had a tinting by Rob at North Ryde. Took less than 2 hours. Fantastic look. Professional job and great bloke.
Recommend ++++

What type of tinting did you get applied? Front only or all round?

[Ideo]

Just had a tinting by Rob at North Ryde. Took less than 2 hours. Fantastic look. Professional job and great bloke.
Recommend ++++

He said he had a few coming in over the next few days.

Getting mine done soon. Trying to work out whether to go front only or all round.

[Corey_R]

Well... this is the wrong thread for asking those types of questions (whether to do the front only or all around etc, what type of tint to get to match as best as possible etc).

All of that discussion is in the MK6 Front Tint to match factory 'Dark Tint' option (http://www.vwwatercooled.org.au/f112/mk6-front-tint-match-factory-dark-tint-option-32781.html) thread.
Specifically in relation to my Golf R and experience having it tinted by Rob at Hunters Hill Tint (at North Ryde), I have this post (http://www.vwwatercooled.org.au/f112/mk6-front-tint-match-factory-dark-tint-option-32781-22.html#post600926). But I have several more posts burried in that thread on various tint topics/questions.

Pepe's experience with the Golf R and Rob is also documented in my post and on the previous page to my post.

[Tom_R]

All around. I did same as Corey although Rob suggested solargard HP supreme 22% at the front if to match the colour closely but decided to keep it legal.

[Corey_R]

Yeah - I too kept it to 35% on the front sides :)

[kash_0]

Just had a tinting by Rob at North Ryde. Took less than 2 hours. Fantastic look. Professional job and great bloke.
Recommend ++++

Had mine done today as well, said he had a golf R in the morning, guessing it's yours.

Really happy with the end result.

[Tom_R]

Had mine done today as well, said he had a golf R in the morning, guessing it's yours.

Really happy with the end result.

Yes that was my car. He did mention he was doing another one in the afternoon.

IM really happy with the result as well

[Busby]

Tint a car - F1 tint. Just had it slapped on and it looks pretty sweet... Matches the privacy tint well & for $110 ya can't go wrong!

[VWR032]

+1 for Rob

Had my R done last Friday and really happy with the result. Ended up going all round and one darker than 35 on the front.

Rob is a top bloke and is VERY reasonably priced for the service provided.

[markwid]

Got mine tinted this morning.

http://img.skitch.com/20110402-f1n6b9eg1di69fgaugmwwixtk1.jpg

[sdhog2002]

Busby, which tint-a-car did you go to?

[Beowulf]

Got mine tinted this morning.

http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2011/04/20110402f1n6b9eg1di69fgaugmwwixtk1-1.jpg

Hey mate what did you get and where from?

I'm lookint at getting Black ICE from SolarTint wondering if someone else has got this, what its like to see out of and if there are any photos etc?

Ta

[markwid]

Hey mate what did you get and where from?
It looks real dark, doesn't it? Of course it's all legal 35%.

Top job, done by top bloke, Dave at ReflectEffect (http://www.reflecteffect.com.au/services.php?serv=tinting). I think using Johnson Window Films. (http://www.johnsonwindowfilms.com/AUTO_BRANDS.php)

[SuperHans]

hey guys, i'm thinking of getting some light tinting done - mostly for UV protection, but i've heard that the car already is slightly tinted and does a large amount of UV blocking as standard - does anyone have any more info?
cheers


mk6 gti.

[morts]

Hi all

I am considering acquiring a Golf and looking for peoples experiences/reccommendations in Adelaide - or after 18 pages don't people here get tinting apart from through a dealer!! All comments/help appreciated......

[Corey_R]

Hey mate, what car do you have?
Did it already come with the "dark tint" option from factory? If so, then you're already at the legal max for South Australia. SA are one of the only (the only?) state in Australia to still regulate that you must have 70% VLT on the front driver and passenger windows, therefore you can't put any tint there without being illegal.

Having said that, you can still put 35% VLT tint on the rear side windows and rear window.
I'm just not sure how many people have bothered going to get their car half tinted in SA... anyone?

[SilvrFoxX]

Yeah - I too kept it to 35% on the front sides :)

Corey,

Given I am going to get mine tinted and we have the same colour can you post a pic of yours with the tint please

[Corey_R]

I don't actually have any photos (taken with a proper camera) since getting the tint done... may have to take some next time the car gets a wash :)

[TDI DSG]

I'm looking to get my MK6 wagon tinted, but have noticed that the wagon has both the shark fin antena on the roof and the small lines on the rear most windows. At first I thought the lines on the windows were demister lines but they are not. Do I have 2 antena's ?
The manual says it could be any of several places but does not say which one.

I take it this means no metlised film ?

[Corey_R]

The car manufacturers will say that metalised film may cause reception problems (especially with AM radio) because it may cause receiption problems for some people - however unlikely it is.

However, good luck on finding a reputable tint company that will install a non-metalised film and provide you with a lifetime warranty. You know all those old cars running around with purple window tint plagued with bubbles... that's why people started using metalised film :)

[Callumgw]

I had non metalised film put on our accord euro (2010) because of the window mounted antenna. It was done by ARMA in PReston Vic (which have since switched to be a Tint-a-Car after ARMA was bought out. Very happy with the job, no reception issues. Can't remember which film it was but it did have a lifetime warranty, I was very carefull about that.

C

[Corey_R]

More importantly would be finding out the brand of the tint you had installed...

[crumbs]

Can anyone recommend a good/affordable tinting business in east suburbs Melbourne (for the Polo actually)?

[jacs]

i can also recomend Nick from 'Mr Cool', Sydney

[SilvrFoxX]

I still want to see pics of Corey's window tinting to see if his recommendation of Window Tinter is worthy..

[Corey_R]

Oh damn... forgot about this.

As far as I'm concerned though, you've got 5000 members on this forum recommending Rob and his work and product, the tint manufacturer is Solargard (http://www.solargard.com.au/Auto/Performance), who are Australia's most respected tint product. There are also already pictures of the product online (although at different %'s) and it's almost impossible to figure out from photos anyway).

So if you guys want to ignore all the evidence, then you miss out - that's your problem not mine :)

[SilvrFoxX]

lol.. I am a father .. that was the best dodge and it is your fault diatribe ever.. well done

now post your car piccie..!

[Lucas_R]

Callout to anyone in the Newcastle area who wants to get their windows tinted this weekend.

Robert from Hunters Hill Window Tinting is coming up to Newcastle this Saturday (21st May) to tint my Golf R and my sisters Audi TT-S. Robert had previously organised several other cars in this area to be tinted on the same day but he just rang me and told me that everyone else has pulled out. BUT, he is still coming up to tint our 2 cars.

So he is hoping to get 1 or 2 more cars (making a total of 3 to 4 cars including mine and my sisters) to tint on the day.

First in best dressed.

Please call me on 0422 247 831 for more details or to express your interest in getting your windows tinted. I have told Robert that i will help manage any more people who are interested and i will let him know.

[sek]

I picked up my GTI on Monday. Called Rob from Hunters Hill to see if I can book my car in for tinting, he advised that he was pretty much booked out but took my details in case there were any cancellations.

Rob called me earlier today and said to bring it in first thing tmr morning (7am) as he had a cancellation.

I'll post my impressions of his work sometime after its done (however, given all the previous recommendations and his reputation im pretty sure i won't be disappointed).

[Titanium]

Another +1 for Rob at Hunters Hill. He did my wifes car last year, but a couple of weeks ago I got him to do my office window tinting......the usual excellent job.

[magellan]

In Melbourne, Rob from Cartint in Ringwood - Car Tint (http://www.cartint.net.au/index.html) has previously been mentioned. Can anyone comment on his work.

Thanks

[sek]

+1 for Rob from Hunters Hill Window Tinting.

Did my 3 Door Golf GTI the other morning - extremely nice guy who takes pride in his work. Extremely meticulous and pricing was very very good.

[xordis]

Anyone have any suggestions for Brisbane?
Looking for someone who will do a good job, and also to match the tinted glass on the sportspack.

[xordis]

Anyone have any suggestions for Brisbane?
Looking for someone who will do a good job, and also to match the tinted glass on the sportspack.

Update:
I have got in contact of a mobile guy who is a friend of a friend (he has a workshop where he does a few caryards from as well)
Once I get my car he was going to come over and tint mine.
He has done quite a few Golfs and knew exactly all the % to match it closely.
Even was able to tell me it was Solaguard HP supreme and was explaining the different colours it will produce given the front glass is more green than the rears.

If it all works out I will see if he wants his details shared out.

[Ironman]

Keen let me know... need re-tint on pass windows after wife scratched it....

[SilvrFoxX]

Keen let me know... need re-tint on pass windows after wife scratched it....

Wife can now be found in glovebox :)

[xordis]

Keen let me know... need re-tint on pass windows after wife scratched it....

No worries, I will tell you how I go.
He is pretty close to you actually. He lives at Karana Downs and travels to his shop at Brendale.

[Frostee]

Hi everyone, need some advice re tinting.

I have a Polo GTI imminently arriving.

Do I bite the bullet and pay a couple of hundred $'s premium and get the Dealer to tint it. or do I go to one of the mainstream tinters such as Tint-a-Car?

I hear so many conflicting stories about window tinting, quality of work varying from franchise to franchise, difficulty in getting satisfaction on claims if there are problems.

Am I being overly cautious?

[m_f]

Dealers are a complete rip off. And plus, if I'm correct, they may even outsource it to the tinters that you're looking at. I say cut out the middle man!

I'm picking up my car today, and at the moment, I'm intending to get it tinted by Tint-a-car. I'm not in a rush though. I may wait till June to have it tinted.

[Corey_R]

Dealers are a complete rip off. And plus, if I'm correct, they may even outsource it to the tinters that you're looking at. I say cut out the middle man!
Exactly... the dealers outsource the work to these third parties anyway...

[Corey_R]

Hey Guys, I've moved several recent posts, including Lucas_R's which I've quoted below to the MK6 Front Tint to match factory 'Dark Tint' thread
(http://www.vwwatercooled.org.au/f112/mk6-front-tint-match-factory-dark-tint-option-32781-25.html#post667779)
I've also posted some photos of my car's tint (http://www.vwwatercooled.org.au/f112/mk6-front-tint-match-factory-dark-tint-option-32781-25.html#post668614), also installed by Rob of Hunter's Hill Tint and which also used the Solargard HP Supreme and HP Quantum combination, but in "legal levels".


Robert from Hunters Hill Window Tinting did my Golf on Saturday as well as my sisters Audi TTS. Both of us are very happy with his service and professionalism. Rob came up to Newcastle to do our cars. Took about 4.5 hours to do the cars with a few coffee stops and a lunch thrown in.

The rear windows (which had the privacy tint from the factory) are still ever so slightly darker than the front windows, but they are at least the same charcoal colour now.

I would certainly recommend him to anyone in the Newcastle / Central Coast / Sydney area.

Pics of my car: (pics were taken early this morning on a semi cloudy day)

http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2011/05/img0287z-1.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/824/img0287z.jpg/)

http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2011/05/img0288f-1.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/705/img0288f.jpg/)

http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2011/05/img0292ax-1.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/34/img0292ax.jpg/)

http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2011/05/img0294z-1.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/638/img0294z.jpg/)

http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2011/05/img0284t-1.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/541/img0284t.jpg/)

[Sword_Dude]

No worries, I will tell you how I go.
He is pretty close to you actually. He lives at Karana Downs and travels to his shop at Brendale.

I'd love to hear more on this as well, I've got a Polo with Sport pack coming (Tinted rear) and live in Bracken Ridge so he is just around the corner so to speak.

[dny]

does anyone have a picture of the formula 1 from tint-a-car on their golfs?? I got a call back from them saying it would be $130 for the front and that the formula one would be the best match. Apparently they've done alot of golfs before.
He also said they had something darker available but it would be lower than 35% and not legal

[Corey_R]

This is for recommending businesses... look at the "Dark Tint" thread I linked above if you want to look at tints...

[dny]

sorry had both threads opened in 2 tabs and replied to the wrong one!

[littlejohn]

Here is someone that you SHOULD NOT go to. He goes by the name of "Mr Cool"

I have done a couple of cars through him before and he seemed ok. However, when you do have problems he would give you a range of excuses saying it's the car's fault, windows fault and etc. :mad:

It's his workmanship that I question. :facepalm:

I am not happy with the tints and only had problems after inspecting it a couple of days later. He had overheard me on the phone at one stage complaining about it after having shown him the problem. He said he will fix it but there won't be any warranty on the job (which is pretty lame).

From my personal experience, I WOULD NOT recommend Mr Cool to anyone for their tinting. :mad:

Stay the hell away from him if you appreciate your car.

Yeah... odd fella really. I've used him for over 15yrs on all of my cars and referred him to all my friends and family.
Just had my golf done a few weeks ago and I noticed last weekend that the film is coming off around the rear wiper area. I rang him up to ask him to have a look at it and it feels like I'm getting the run around.

I even offered to meet him somewhere at a time that would fit into his schedule... so much for customer loyalty.. and more than $10K worth of work (that I know off) over the years..

Don't think I'll be using him anymore nor referring anymore business to him:(

[dieterbohlen]

Hi all,

Thinking about tinting windows on my Golf. Called Tint-A-Car and been quoted $395 for Octane Tint (does it sound right to you?). I read on the forum that some "Tint-a-Car" places charged about $250-300 for tint.

Also, does anyone have a picture of Octane tint - can't really find any? Been also told that Midnight Express is going to be discontinued and replaced with Octane.
The guy also suggested "Bolle" tint, but it doesn't look like much of a tint to me - more of a colorful shade.

Any comments or suggestions on this matter, i.e price, which tinting place to go to and personal experiences.
When they tint your car, do they tint all windows around or leaving front window untouched?

Greatly appreciate your help.

Thanks

[Corey_R]

Hey mate. I've merged your tint into this thread.
Whilst it doesn't entirely fit in this topic, you can get advice on "general" prices and hopefully someone suggesting a tint specialist for you in Perth.

Really the "type of tint" doesn't really matter as it's not "specific to the MK6 Golf" unless you're trying to match the front windows to the factory rear windows dark tint (http://www.vwwatercooled.org.au/f112/mk6-front-tint-match-factory-dark-tint-option-32781.html).

For "general tint discussion" (of products etc), you may be best to try the general forums rather than Golf 6 specific sub-forum.

[JPanDAX]

Picking my car up on Friday - looking at darkest legal to all windows but front (I didn't request factory tint). That is 35%.

Company called Solartint down at Corrimal - they have a special on at moment - a product called:

Carbon 35 for all window but the front it is $198 including GST.

They do a lot of golfs apparently, so have experience, takes a couple of hours to do all of windows.

Does anyone have any experience with these guys, this product??

I will book it in if not - has a lifetime warranty.

Also - anyone know much about tint for lights?? how much, where in Illawarra? does it affect the light transmission at night much??

Any feedback appreciated.

Thx

JP

[m_f]

Hi all,

Thinking about tinting windows on my Golf. Called Tint-A-Car and been quoted $395 for Octane Tint (does it sound right to you?). I read on the forum that some "Tint-a-Car" places charged about $250-300 for tint.

Also, does anyone have a picture of Octane tint - can't really find any? Been also told that Midnight Express is going to be discontinued and replaced with Octane.
The guy also suggested "Bolle" tint, but it doesn't look like much of a tint to me - more of a colorful shade.

Any comments or suggestions on this matter, i.e price, which tinting place to go to and personal experiences.
When they tint your car, do they tint all windows around or leaving front window untouched?

Greatly appreciate your help.

Thanks

Not sure about the Octane or the Bolle tint, but the guys who have had their cars tinted by Tint-a-car got the F1 or Midnight Express tints. I think F1 is the better one.

When I got a quote last week, that guy also recommended the F1 tint.

[Corey_R]

Not sure about the Octane or the Bolle tint, but the guys who have had their cars tinted by Tint-a-car got the F1 or Midnight Express tints. I think F1 is the better one.

When I got a quote last week, that guy also recommended the F1 tint.

Yep. Whilst I've never used Tint-a-car, F1 does seem to be the most popular Tint-a-car tint reported here by forum members.

[JPanDAX]

OK - Got the low down and understand better now.....

Apparently the carbon 35% is a carbon film and does not last as long....

Solace however have a metallised film - called Octane Black - it is the darkest legal, dark black colour and 32%, which is advertised as darkest legal... it is $495 including GST. done in less than 2 hours and they don't remove the door lining either.

They also do all local VW dealer cars for tints.

Also the metallised on read windo only affects AM radio reception - can't remember last time I used AM radio!!!

Cheers

JP

[dieterbohlen]

OK - Got the low down and understand better now.....

Apparently the carbon 35% is a carbon film and does not last as long....

Solace however have a metallised film - called Octane Black - it is the darkest legal, dark black colour and 32%, which is advertised as darkest legal... it is $495 including GST. done in less than 2 hours and they don't remove the door lining either.

They also do all local VW dealer cars for tints.

Also the metallised on read windo only affects AM radio reception - can't remember last time I used AM radio!!!

Cheers

JP

Do you know the difference between "Bolle" and "Octane"? Is "Bolle" lighter than "Octane" or just adds extra blueish tint to it?
Which one is better ?
Booked my car in for a tint on Monday but still can't decide which one to get "Bolle" or "Octane"... :(

[Corey_R]

I feel that $495 is rather expensive...

Solargard is Australia's largest tint manufacturer and have an extensive range of automotive tint products in their range, most (all?) of which are metalised too, and in Sydney they are installed on all windows of the Golf (except Windscreen) for far less than $495... we're not even talking in the $300 range...

The installer I delt with for my R (Rob from Hunter's Hill Tinting) also doesn't need to remove any door lining. But that's just because he's cluey and knows VW changed the door constructions so door lining removal isn't needed anymore.

[JPanDAX]

Mate have a look here Octane - Black is Back | Solace.com.au (http://www.sol-ace.com.au/octane.php)

I think the Bolle is a more yellow tint - just like the glasses.

The Octane is closest to black and darkest you can go legally at 32% according to their web site, though I believed it was 35% VLT.... I asked the question and they said the 32% was legal...

Octane gives very dark grey to black look which is what I want to contrast maximum against the CW colour.

I am then going to get the lights sprayed with a tint too...

I think Octane and Bolle are same quality wise, both metallised, heavier film.

Cheers

JP

[JPanDAX]

OK thanks Corey - $495 does sound a bit. They said they do have non metallised film but it is cheaper. The metallised stuff is more expensive.... I now need to find a solargard distributor down in Wollongong then and ask the price...

thanks

JP

[dieterbohlen]

Mate have a look here Octane - Black is Back | Solace.com.au (http://www.sol-ace.com.au/octane.php)

I think the Bolle is a more yellow tint - just like the glasses.

The Octane is closest to black and darkest you can go legally at 32% according to their web site, though I believed it was 35% VLT.... I asked the question and they said the 32% was legal...

Octane gives very dark grey to black look which is what I want to contrast maximum against the CW colour.

I am then going to get the lights sprayed with a tint too...

I think Octane and Bolle are same quality wise, both metallised, heavier film.

Cheers

JP

Thanks, I'm just not sure if Bolle will look better than Octane, the price I got was $365 for Octane and $395 for Bolle. Don't know if blueish tint worth extra $30...

[JPanDAX]

Wow - is that with solace??? That price sounds better


Just spoke to solargard - they have a distributor at Albion Park down this way - $340 for 35% dark grey/darkest legal and it is lifetime warranty premium called Hi Performance tint and is metallised.

Better price - but interesting to see your price from the same company!!!

JP

OK - spoke to same guy at solartint and he will now do the solartint Octane 4 windows and rear for $375 cash on a Saturday..... that is him absolute best price and says that he can't do the $365 as he is doing it as a ute price....

for me, considering that they are only 5 minutes away from my place and the other guys (solargard) are 20 minutes away, I think for an extra $35 over the solargard product I am better off going for the local guy which gives a nationwide warranty for life.

Cheers

JP

[Lazarus7]

Hmmm I'm getting the dealer to do mine for $200 (only 2 windows so I suppose thats why its that cheap), they just put match rear tint on the contract. Hopefully they or the people they get to do it are decent.

[Corey_R]

Solargard's list of dealers are here (http://solargard.com.au/Dealer_Locator/Home).

As Solargard is just a manufacturer and most (all?) the dealers are independent, you should equire with other dealers to determine price. Keep in mind that several are mobile, and therefore may be fine to come to Wollongong. For example, Rob from Hunters Hill Tint went to Newcastle on a day that he did 3 cars there...

Also, Here is a listing of the Solargard Automotive Tint properties (http://www.solargard.com.au/Auto/Performance). This is the type of detail you should be looking at and requesting when determining the type of tint to get, whether from Solargard or other brands. "Colour" is only one property, but just as important are VLT (Visual Light Transmittance) , VL Ext R (External Reflection), UV Blocked, and TSER (Total Solar Energy Reflection). There is a heap of other tint characteristics, but these are of most important in a car.

You will also notice that there is no single product called "Hi Performance", but they in fact have several "HP" lines, each with unique characteristics. From the link I provided, you can access the descriptions of each of the tint lines.

In addition... that quote is still pretty high...

[jacs]

ive had 3 cars done by Nick from 'Mr Cool'. He's mobile in Sydney, and works from home (Penrith) on Saturdays. Cant fault his work, uses best quality film in all % grades, for $220. Will use him again !!!

[dieterbohlen]

Done tint at Tint-a-Car today, in the end went with Formula 1 for $365 (been contemplating between Formula 1, Octane and Bolle). Waiting for it to dry :) Another couple of days of not rolling down the windows... :)

[MIRSAD]

Done tint at Tint-a-Car today, in the end went with Formula 1 for $365 (been contemplating between Formula 1, Octane and Bolle). Waiting for it to dry :) Another couple of days of not rolling down the windows... :)

...are you happy with "Formula 1"?

[dieterbohlen]

...are you happy with "Formula 1"?

So far so good. Spoken to guys at few "Tint-a-Car" places - the bottom line:

"BOLLE" - dye film hence ability to add a blue-ish shade color, the lesser sun protection than other two, you pay extra $ for "Bolle" name as tinting place is paying royalties :O . One guy even said it outright: "don't waste your money" :facepalm:

"OCTANE" - dye/metallic film, the darkest of all three but only 2% darker than "Formula 1".

"FORMULA 1" - metallic film - better protection, more sun reflection.


All three films have 99% UV protection - so this wasn't an issue.

Saw two cars side by side with "Formula 1" and "Octane" - didn't see any difference between the two :cool:.

[Maverick]

"FORMULA 1" - metallic film - better protection, more sun reflection.

All three films have 99% UV protection - so this wasn't an issue.

Saw two cars side by side with "Formula 1" and "Octane" - didn't see any difference between the two :cool:.

What tint did you put on the rear window given your aerials for FM and AM reception are installed there?

[dieterbohlen]

What tint did you put on the rear window given your aerials for FM and AM reception are installed there?

They put F1 all around, including back window.

[Corey_R]

Yeah - I've got metallic film all the way around and haven't had any reception issues. Though I'm the first to admitt that I don't listen to much FM and almost no AM...

Even Volkswagen have only said "you may experience reception issues". Thus far I haven't heard from anyone who has experienced reception issues....

[dieterbohlen]

Yeah - I've got metallic film all the way around and haven't had any reception issues. Though I'm the first to admitt that I don't listen to much FM and almost no AM...


I'm with you on that one :( Don't listen to the radio in the car at all... used to... now I guess I'm getting old... all these extra noises... :)

[JPanDAX]

Any pics dieterbohlen??

I am thinking of going for the Octane for $375 rear and 4 doors... They also told me that it ONLY affects the AM reception NOT FM. I would never listen to AM but DO listen to FM - ABC Radio, JJJ mainly..

Cheers

JP

[Klink1313]

Yeah - I've got metallic film all the way around and haven't had any reception issues. Though I'm the first to admitt that I don't listen to much FM and almost no AM...

Even Volkswagen have only said "you may experience reception issues". Thus far I haven't heard from anyone who has experienced reception issues....

Had my tinting done today by Rob from Hunters Hill Window Tinting Service. Went for Front HP Supreme 16 Rear HP Quantum 35 - the tint is slightly illegal (a bit like being slightly pregnant) but hopefully i won't have any discussions with Officer Bacon in the future. Quality of the work looks good but need the tint to dry before committing to that statement.

I listen to AM a fair bit (ABC Radio - yes I am getting old). Coming home picked up AM702 all the way to Mount White before switching to FM and the reception was just as good as it was in the morning before the window tinting was done so no issue with the Quantum product.

[Corey_R]

Nice to hear Klink1313. I trust it was also nowhere near the $375 that tint a car are charging ;)

[Klink1313]

Nice to hear Klink1313. I trust it was also nowhere near the $375 that tint a car are charging ;)

Nope not that much - $230 for all windows

[backdoc]

Sorry if this is buried in the thread but recommendations for tinting in Melbourne, Bayside suburbs. For 5 door candy white gti. What tint would you recommend. Has to be legal for insurance purposes. Don't want to give them any loop holes.

I previously used tint professor but the bong head sliced all the rubbers on the inside of my brand new Skoda. They had to replace the rubbers on the rear windows. I was so jacked off!

Does the metallic based film really stuff up the am reception? I do listen to footy broadcasts on it.

[Corey_R]

Does the metallic based film really stuff up the am reception? I do listen to footy broadcasts on it.
As has been mentioned, it may.
Having said that, if you get a dye based film it will discolour and eventually turn completely purple etc.

If you live in the city or suburbia and don't currently have any AM reception issues then I'd say go for it. At worst, IF you have reception issues, you'll have to take off the tint from that one window and then put on a dye based tint...

[Maverick]

As has been mentioned, it may.

It will affect the reception but it may not be noticeable to that user in their situation.

It will affect mobile phone reception as well depending on where the signal is coming from and the location if the car of the phone. Again it may not be noticeable for some.

Turning on the rear window demister for example will drop the signal strength further in particular for AM.


Having said that, if you get a dye based film it will discolour and eventually turn completely purple etc.

Some dye based films may discolour and turn purple, some will not - Australia - Home - Window Films (http://www.3m.com.au/intl/au/windowfilms/whats_new_scotchtint_black.html)

[JPanDAX]

So who installs 3M Black?

[Corey_R]

More importantly... can anyone find any actual specifications on the 3M Black...
It's interesting that for any of the other 3M Film products the specifications are provided directly on their product page, and then all of them are on a separate specifications page.... except the 3M Black...

[Maverick]

So who installs 3M Black?

I had Express Tinting (Underwood) install it on my wifes car and I wouldn't recommend them - http://www.vwwatercooled.org.au/forums/f112/best-window-tint-business-40510-26.html#post695358

[Maverick]

More importantly... can anyone find any actual specifications on the 3M Black...
It's interesting that for any of the other 3M Film products the specifications are provided directly on their product page, and then all of them are on a separate specifications page.... except the 3M Black...

Called color stable and there are 4 products, CS 5, CS 20, CS 35 and CS 50.

http://www.universaltint.com.au/doc/window_tinting/automotive_film/3M_Scotchtint_cs35_specs.pdf

Photo Gallery - 3M Automotive Film | Universal Tint & Auto Centre - 3M Window Tinting, Safety films, Security films, Decorative films, automotive accessories, paint protection, tow bars, brookvale, car alarms, window tinting (http://www.universaltint.com.au/window-tinting/automotive-film)

Online Product Catalog (http://solutions.3m.com/wps/portal/3M/en_US/GovernmentSolutions/Home/ProductInformation/Online_Catalog/?PC_7_RJH9U5230GO250IANS2O1A3I71_nid=QZ93XSK3JFbeK 9LB2TTVQ0gl)

Color Stable Automotive Films - Tinted automotive window film for cars, trucks - Color Stable - 3M US (http://solutions.3m.com/wps/portal/3M/en_US/Window_Film/Solutions/Markets-Products/Automotive/Color_Stable_Automotive_Films/)

Don't settle for anything less! 3M Color Stable's appearance rivals tinted factory glass, never turns purple, and provides high heat rejection with no signal interference! 3M's revolutionary nano-carbon polyester provides an incredible look, amazing color stability, and is non-metallized to ensure no signal interference.

While most other window film companies buy their polyester from someone else, 3M makes its own polyester. During this process, 3M patented a technology for producing its own nano-carbon polyester. This revolutionary and unique process, allows for maximum heat rejection without a metallized film, which can interfere with radio and satellite signals. It also gives our films a stylish look with outstanding color stability. In fact, it's so advanced that in time-based tests, 3M Color Stable films never turned purple while conventional dyed films rapidly changed to a purple color.

These darker shaded films are designed to reject solar heat that is produced from visible light. Color Stable rejects up to 57% of the heat coming through your windows. Color Stable films also provide significant glare relief, allowing only 5% to 50% of the light into your car.

[Corey_R]

Thanks Maverick. I did manage to find the CSxx products on the USA site, but wasn't sure that they were what "3M Black" fell into.

So they're an obvious improvement on the performance of old style dye tints, but still a step down from the metallic films from a thermal performance point of view. The 3M Black CS35 (darklest legal in Australia) TSER (Total Solar Energy Rejection) is only 39%. Compared to say Solargards HP Charcoal 38 which has a TSER of 53%.

So you need to then determine what is important to you... AM reception or heat :)

Also... if you have the VW factory tint, "black" and "charcol" tints are not a colour match. If you go illegal all around (16%, 20% VLT's etc) then colour match becomes less of an issue simply because all the windows become so dark. But at legal levels (35%), colour match is important (unless you don't care whether your windows are the same colour...)


Anyway. As with everything. Look at all the facts, decide what things are important to you, and then select a product based on that :)

[backdoc]

Interesting stuff. So no tint on the car at all so want legal all round, sounds like metallic is ok and 35 is the darkest legal.

Can anyone please suggest a film and installer in Melbourne?

[Captain Courteous]

I just had my tints done by Rob (Hunters Hill Window Tinting) after seeing A LOT of positive feedback here about him.. You guys were right! He’s very professional, very meticulous.

On his advice we went with the Solargard HP Supreme all-round. It was the ‘blacker’ option over the Quantum which is more ‘silvery’.. He has samples on his van, it definitely made the choosing easier! Highly recommend him.

I paid $230 cash. I was initially quoted $250.

[JPanDAX]

ILLAWARRA AND SOUTHERN SYDNEY.

I spoke to Rob (Hunters Hill Window Tinting) and he said he would come down this way if anyone else was getting their car tinted on the same day anywhere around say Sutherland or Illawarra. I am in Wollongong so he would do the extra 30 minute drive from Sutho to do my car also.

Question is - anyone out there looking at getting their windows tinted soon that are from Illawarra and want to get a deal..

Best I have been able to do around Wollongong is $365 from Solace for the Octane or F1..... I am thinking the F1 over Octane now as it is a better product and the same price. These are both premium metallised products at 35% but the F1 has 50+ SPF rating and 9something % heat reduction. I could go another product called Midnight Express (also Metallised) but it is not as premium but costs around $250 for install 4 windows and rear.

Anyhow - just putting it out there!

JP

[Corey_R]

Thanks for the feedback Captain Courteous.

To emphasis how professional Rob is, and also clarify the HP Supreme vs Quantum recommendation for those who haven't read the MK6 front tint to match the factory dark tint option thread (http://www.vwwatercooled.org.au/f112/mk6-front-tint-match-factory-dark-tint-option-32781-25.html#post668614), when I went to Rob, I asked for HP Supreme all round. Since I have a VW with the factory tint on the rear side and rear windows, he suggested the combination of these two tints. HP Supreme on the fronts, HP Quantum on the rears BECAUSE it is 'silvery'. The silvery tinge helps neutralise the greeny/blue colour of the VW factory tint so it better matches the front windows.

If you don't have the VW factory tint, then you don't have that worry :)

[dieterbohlen]

Any pics dieterbohlen??

I am thinking of going for the Octane for $375 rear and 4 doors... They also told me that it ONLY affects the AM reception NOT FM. I would never listen to AM but DO listen to FM - ABC Radio, JJJ mainly..

Cheers

JP

Did a quick wash and here are the pictures with Formula 1 tint.
http://www.vwwatercooled.org.au/f112/official-golf-mk6-picture-thread-2nd-edition-discussion-thread-52640-60.html#post683754

[JPanDAX]

As I thought probably going to be a bit difficult to organize Rob to do tint down this way I decided to go with Solace who charged me $375 for full tint in the Octane. It is only down the road from me and dropped car off on Saturday morning and it was done by 10am. Very happy with the tint. The guys there explained the colour difference of the tints. The F1 tends to be a bit greenish and the Octane is darker (darkest legal) and a charcoal tint. It looks dark and looks great. Has a high sun rating and is quality metal used. No problems with mobile or Fm radio reception at all. Car looks great with black against white and the job is very well done and professional. Happy to pay more for the convenience for me and lifetime warranty.

Will post photos when I get a chance.

BTW it's been over a week 400km and loving the GTI.

Cheers

JP


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[V-VWMK-5]

Can anyone please suggest a film and installer in Melbourne?

+1

have had darkest legal before, would like to go one or two shades darker!

[CarbonVW]

Got my car done at 20% allround by ARMA (http://www.arma.net.au/window-tinting/automotive)in Essendon. Im happy with the results.

FWIW - They do all of Essondon VW's pre-delivery tinting so they are familiar with the car.