Mk6 LED Taillights

[windmagnet]

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Golf R LED Tails can be ordered from a number of sources, including a German VW dealer referred by Ozram (http://www.vwwatercooled.org.au/f112/mk6-led-taillights-40280-13.html#post531898), and SteveP in the UK (http://www.mk6golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,81.0.html).
The LEDs come in two flavours - the darker, tinted tails as fitted to the R, and a lighter untinted set that match the stock GTI colour and are available as a factory option on TSIs, TDIs and GTIs in Europe.
Installation is quite simple; see Ozram's DIY (http://www.vwwatercooled.org.au/f112/mk6-led-taillights-40280-13.html#post535060), and Golfitup's YouTube install DIY (http://www.vwwatercooled.org.au/f112/mk6-led-taillights-40280-10.html#post530806).
Some coding (with VCDS) will be required; see AdamD's coding summary (http://www.vwwatercooled.org.au/f112/mk6-led-taillights-40280-27.html#post555935), and Golfitup's YouTube coding DIY (http://www.vwwatercooled.org.au/f112/mk6-led-taillights-40280-37.html#post583009).
Dealers are generally not offering to supply or install the LEDs, although at least one member has had his dealer install the LEDs he supplied, at time of delivery.

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Original Post:

Over on the UK GTI forum they are flipping out because VW has apparently already upgraded the MY10 GTI with LED rear lights and keyless entry.

Apparently the LED's look like this (on GTI R here):

http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/frankfurt-motor-show-vw-golf-r/243138/pictures/frankfurt-motor-show-vw-golf-r.aspx?im=276438

Does anyone know whether the LED tail lights are on the GTI's spotted in Aus?

If not, this could mean that the first shipment will be "out-of-date" even before delivery. Unless VW dumps the old tail lights on Oz, you would think that once we start getting the GTI then supply of GTI's with the LED's should not be too far behind UK.

My dealer says that they think there is at least one ship load of GTI's in the country already. I know nothing about how VW runs its production lines for UK and Aus. Apperently the Aus cars are built in Germany. Assuming they build the RHD cars on the same production line, then this probably means the first shipment would not have the LEDs.

I have got my fingers crossed (a) that they release the GTI soon; (b) that I don't have to wait too long after the release for a car (sold my old car and the novelty of riding my bike to work in the rain is wearing thin); and (c) that it comes with the full MY10 spec including LED tail lights.

[hkogti]

Saw a black one this morning, the tail light just look exactly like the ordinary one...

[Tim]

If previous models are anything to go by the GTI will get standard tail lights with the R versions getting fancy pants lights

[windmagnet]

Apparently the fancy lights are now on the standard MY10 GTI in the UK.

Here is a video with some exhaust note as well (I think this is a third party mod of the GTI and not the R or MY10 GTI):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t3D2vVvHv18

[thamwk]

love the LEDs! reminds me of the Rogue Traders song "I see you watching me, watching you"

hmmm... wonder if they'll fit on a regular MK VI :)

[Tim]

Although I dont have confirmation of it. You would think that the new GTIs that have just been brought into the country would be early MY10 cars wouldnt you?. None of the pictures I have seen to date have had LEDs. Would be great if they were going to be though! Someone needs to get close enough to check a VIN

[ricksterrr]

Apparently the fancy lights are now on the standard MY10 GTI in the UK.

Here is a video with some exhaust note as well (I think this is a third party mod of the GTI and not the R or MY10 GTI):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t3D2vVvHv18

Yup, that's the 09 Worthersee Concept that VW created as a once off a couple of months back (along with a modified Polo)

http://www.autoblog.com/2009/05/20/seeing-red-vw-unveils-gti-and-polo-worthersee-09-concepts/

Do you have a link to the UK forum where these discussions are happening? Would be interested in seeing what they're saying about the upgrades and how they came across the info since the GTI specs on the UK site hasn't been updated since July (with no mention of LED rear lights or smart key 'keyless' entry).

[Kwoka]

I just did a quick research and this is the forum posts he's talking about:
http://www.golfgtiforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=130374.20

It's pretty interesting as there are pictures in the UK GTI forum with what appears LED lights of GTI on the Frankfurt motorshow floor.

I would love for these to be on the AU model of the GTI but i would highly doubt it.

Video of the GTI with the LED and start/stop button seems like a weird place to put it but that's just me. The GTI comes in around the 5:45 min mark. Enjoy!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=evSorFW63YI

[ricksterrr]

Definitely a surprise!

It does makes things interesting.... So it'll either be introduced for the MY10 model or (most likely) as part of MY11. I'm hoping the former rather than the latter of course (perhaps VW Oz had actually held off from releasing the official oz GTI spec sheet because there are some last minute updates to the specs?). One could only hope. I guess we'll find out this month!

[AdamD]

As pointed out by Maverick here (http://www.vwwatercooled.org.au/newforum/upload/showpost.php?p=449818&postcount=10), TM Tuning are now selling Mk6 LED taillights:

Golf 6 red/clear LED taillights (http://www.tmtuning.com/HOME/catalog/product_detail.php?default_product=2628)

The page doesn't say anything about the parts being OEM so I assume they're aftermarket, but US$400/pair seems reasonable considering how much VW will no doubt charge when they become available in Aus. Has anyone considered buying a set, or have any experience with products like these? Are they easy to install? Do they last? And most importantly, are they legal?

Thanks! Adam

[MaccaTSI]

Wonder how they look lit up. They look better than the Dectane ones (discussion here: http://www.golfmk6.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3403) but it would be hard to tell without seeing them on.

Definitely different to the Golf R ones, but cheaper as well!

[Corey_R]

Hmm - neither are very attractive :)

[hoi polloi]

Hmm - neither are very attractive :)

I agree...

Note also that these appear to be for LHD cars only (note the rear fog light on the driver's side). Can you get them for RHD cars or are the LHD ones easy to convert?

Regards,
- Anthony

[Redman]

Not my cup of tea. Prefer the OEM (http://www.ausmotive.com/images/VW-Golf-R-leak-03.jpg) on the Golf R / MkVI GTI option

[Brian]

Not my cup of tea. Prefer the OEM (http://www.ausmotive.com/images/VW-Golf-R-leak-03.jpg) on the Golf R / MkVI GTI option
They look GOOOOOOD.....:cool:

[simonr]

OEM Rear Tailights on youtube here

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t3D2vVvHv18&feature=related

and

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eoaDBL0ImP4&feature=related

they are freaking hawt..

im defs going to get them when i get mine...

[iBoost]

I'm going to wait for the OEM ones to become available and see how they are priced. I heard around $1000, I can't remember where I saw this though.

[MaccaTSI]

Hmm... I'd love to get the OEM lights. I remember reading they were a 350 euro option in Europe... I think that was on golfmk6.com

[rageR]

I'm going to wait for the OEM ones to become available and see how they are priced. I heard around $1000, I can't remember where I saw this though.

Yes the Oem Led R lights are $1000 plus shipping to Aus from Germany.

[Corey_R]

ouch!!!! :D

[Johnson4]

Hi all,

Just wondering if anyone has managed to source these lovely LED taillights for their GTI?

http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/

Everything I read about them suggests they're a factory option, which makes me wonder if my dealer can put in a special request. Is it worth contacting him and pushing the idea?

I also love the look of the new Polo GTI's LED headlamps (very Audi). But I haven't seen a Golf option anywhere...

http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2010/03/2010_Volkswagen_Polo_GTI-1.jpg

(Sorry if this is a repeat thread -- I did a forum search and nothing came up.)

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[Pauly]

There was a thread awhile back now that had something on this. Basically the LED taillights are an option for overseas cars (Europe only I think at this stage).

There is no news if VWA will be offering these as option or standard equipment down the track, but as it stands, its not an option avaliable, therefore the dealer cannot order it.

However with the 2011 Build Golfs expected to start being made around June/July this year, it maybe something that Aussie Golfs may see as an option or standard equipment for the 2011 builds.

In regards to the Polo GTI, there is a VW Polo Forum, someone may have already posted something abit it (I cbf checking haha). I would expect that if you option on Xenon headlights with the Polo, the LED's will be with that (like with Audi). However with the Aussie launch of the Polo GTI in LATE 2010, I dont think VWA have even organised what they will be offering as standard equipment and as options.

I would not be surprised if VWA dont offer Xenons (therefore no LED's) on the aussie Polo GTI's, as the Polo is seen as a base model VW. However we have been surprised before!

There is talk however that VWA will only be importing the 5 door polo and not the 3 door polo into Australia to help simplify their lineup.

[STV4SYT]

CAn always request it.

I see TMTuning have got them on for order now.

http://www.tmtuning.com/vw/

Golf 6 R Line OEM Rear LED Lights US$799 a set.

Probably a cheaper option that the dealer.

[Johnson4]

Found 'em:

http://www.tmtuning.com/HOME/catalog/product_detail.php?default_product=2657

Hmmm... so what's the difference between cherry red and plain red? Is cherry darker (ie: tinted)?

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[DonkeyKong]

Is it easy to install this?

[team_v]

Found 'em:

http://www.tmtuning.com/HOME/catalog/product_detail.php?default_product=2657

Hmmm... so what's the difference between cherry red and plain red? Is cherry darker (ie: tinted)?

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Cherry red is tinted like the .:R series tailights.

[AdamD]

Hmm, wonder if they'd do a group buy price. I'm tempted! Anyone else?

Suppose it'd be a dealer install job though? Or an auto-electrician? The adapter harness (US$46) needs to be purchased as well... does anyone know what the US$35 code box does to "[not] worry about error codes"?

[team_v]

Hmm, wonder if they'd do a group buy price. I'm tempted! Anyone else?

Suppose it'd be a dealer install job though? Or an auto-electrician? The adapter harness (US$46) needs to be purchased as well... does anyone know what the US$35 code box does to "[not] worry about error codes"?

They should do a group buy if you get enough people interested.

You should just be able to install them yourself.
Check with the store though.

The code box probably contains resistors which "use" the extra charge sent for the normal tailights and prevent the "bulb out" warning.

[moonblade87]

I'm interested!! Does anyone know a workshop in Sydney who can help with the installations?

Also I couldn't find the LED headlights like those on the upcoming Polo. Will the custom LED Dayflex sold on TMT do the trick?

I'm not sure if they would interfere with the Bi-Xenons I have on the Mk VI

[John]

I would be keen for the bulk LED lights buy.

I was at the 2009 Frankfurt auto show and saw a GTI with the LED lights and they look fantastic (better than the R acutally IMHO). The VW people at the show told me that in Germany they are a 350euro option availible from October 2009, but they didn't know about Australia.

Even if you don't do a bulk buy, I would be interested to know if you are successfull in installing and making them work. I am not good with cars at all so want to make sure I wouldn't be wasting $1000 if I order these lights and can't make them work as well as possibly breaking my current rear lights!

I just did some googling and this guy in the UK has step by step instructions how to install these lights: http://mk6.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=81

[MkVIGTI]

I'm tempted too... drools

[Hail]

I'd be keen!

[Johnson4]

Yep, I'd be up for a group buy too.

I've seen that guy from the UK post on another forum too regarding installation... the physical installation looks pretty straight forward, but the reprogramming thing has me baffled (is that something only a dealer can do?).

Anyone here from Hobart that knows that sort of stuff?

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[JAYDEE]

Found this on Youtube.
GTI MkVI with LED tail lights. Looks hot.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LdRRweOtaa8&NR=1

[Corey_R]

Is it just me, or does it look like the plastic cover is not 'tinted dark' like it is on the R version?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GMsXauY87zU&annotation_id=annotation_974559&feature=iv

Could just be the crappy cameras and the difference in paint colour.

[Johnson4]

Is it just me, or does it look like the plastic cover is not 'tinted dark' like it is on the R version?

Maybe that's the "cherry red" vs the plain "red"? There's an option to buy either -- although I'm guessing almost everyone will go for the darker cherry red...

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[Johnson4]

Friendly bump... anyone know how to organise a group buy?

[AdamD]

Friendly bump... anyone know how to organise a group buy?

I'm guessing we'd need a rough number of interested parties, and then a delegate could contact the seller and find out if a volume discount is possible. Not sure whether shipping could still be arranged individually - hopefully that's possible. I'm potentially interested, depending on the price, so I'm a tentative buyer.

[Corey_R]

Maybe before a group buy occurs and there are a lot of potential unhappy people, someone should purchase them first and install them to ensure that there are no gotcha's which are going to stop everyone from using these?!

I'm just figuring that there much be a reason that VW Australia are not offering such a 'cool' accessory for the Australian market.

[Nath]

VWA may not be offering them yet as they are standard on the Golf R and have only recently been made available in Europe as an option for the GTI (I think).

Anyway the US supplier requires a minimum of 10 to give a 'small' discount, postage is around $35 apparently per set for those wondering. I'm going to be getting these but not for a little while yet, just paid for my new wheels and want to see what they're like on and if I need an urgent drop before commiting to any new mods.

[Golfitup]

I would keen pending depending on the cost etc. I will be getting LED tails, just have not decided from where yet.

I have found that the good thing about a group buy is that there are at least (x) amount of people with the exact same product which means that each can can lend a helping hand when it come to trouble shooting.

[xblode]

I'm interested as well :)

[Sute]

I'm interested as well :)

+1

(...depending on the cost, etc)

[Johnson4]

I'm guessing the easiest thing to do is wait for the R to hit the dealers, then start asking around for dealer price vs importing. Then at least we'll know the correct Aussie parts required, and if anyone gets stuck with installation they can hire their dealer to help them out.

[Mk6 GTI]

yes i think thats a good approach.. I would be interested in looking at getting them as well! :) :)

[vainbt]

why is there LHD and RHD.... will tail lights make any difference?

If you order it from that website it will be nearly 1k shipped with the adapter?

Just wondering what people are willing to pay for a set with the adapter including shipping?

1k is a bit too much for a set of headlights to be honest..

[Nath]

why is there LHD and RHD.... will tail lights make any difference?

If you order it from that website it will be nearly 1k shipped with the adapter?

Just wondering what people are willing to pay for a set with the adapter including shipping?

1k is a bit too much for a set of headlights to be honest..

Yeah it is steep for the taillights, but they look sweet!

As for RHD and LHD I'd say its got to do with the fog and reverse light being on opposite sides perhaps?

[irossiter]

Have just been told that my Mk 6 GTI should be delivered by early July!!!!! Drool drool! I love my Mk 5 but it is time to move on. My dealer can't shed much light on the LED tail lights and I have read that they MAY become standard for GTI this year in Europe. They really do look amazing. Maybe I'll get a pleasant suprise and the car will land in Oz with them anyway. Unlikely. I would most definitely be up for a group buy, plan on asking my service dept about what they would charge (if they do it) and would likely be under warranty then. I am more than happy playing around with the electrics on my '63 Morris 850 with Cooper S goodies but maybe not a modern Vee Dub. Actually I did have a near fire in the Mini after I fitted a new tacho!
My old man is waiting for an R so maybe I might just swap the tail lights over one night, he'd never notice! Bingo!

[AdamD]

...I have read that they MAY become standard for GTI this year in Europe. They really do look amazing. Maybe I'll get a pleasant suprise and the car will land in Oz with them anyway. Unlikely.

The 2011 model year will only begin with vehicles manufactured after July anyway, so even if VWA were to include them as standard for MY11 (and my personal opinion is that's unlikely), chances are you won't get them on a car delivered in July. So yeah, don't count on it. ;)


My old man is waiting for an R so maybe I might just swap the tail lights over one night, he'd never notice! Bingo!

Now there's a plan! :)

[Lima]

As for RHD and LHD I'd say its got to do with the fog and reverse light being on opposite sides perhaps?

Yep, that's right. Rear fog should be on driver's side for RHD cars.

If only the tight buggers would make twin fogs/reverse lights it wouldn't be a problem and we might actually have a chance of seeing something when reversing at night time. The best car we have for reversing at night is the Mk1, by far, haha.

[Maverick]

Yep, that's right. Rear fog should be on driver's side for RHD cars.

If only the tight buggers would make twin fogs/reverse lights it wouldn't be a problem and we might actually have a chance of seeing something when reversing at night time. The best car we have for reversing at night is the Mk1, by far, haha.

Mark V/VI with factory RVC beats the Mark I for reversing at night by a mile! It can by pitch black and you can see well with the oem RVC.

Volkswagen Golf Mark VI Rear View Camera (RVC) In Operation (http://www.my-gti.com/1617/)

[MurphyTheElf]

Mark V/VI with factory RVC beats the Mark I for reversing at night by a mile! It can by pitch black and you can see well with the oem RVC.



I agree - it's like wearing night vision goggles.

[G-rig]

Yep camera is awesome.

[cameronp]

Mark V/VI with factory RVC beats the Mark I for reversing at night by a mile! It can by pitch black and you can see well with the oem RVC.

Volkswagen Golf Mark VI Rear View Camera (RVC) In Operation (http://www.my-gti.com/1617/)

That's actually about the most compelling argument I've heard so far in favour of rear view cameras.

[hannson]

We took a stab at retrofitting the Golf R Rear Tail Lights on a Golf Mark VI :)

click on picture below for a video clip after we've fitted it :)

http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2010/05/default-1.jpg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QVU2tTzsEP8)

[Corey_R]

Well, we know what the lights look like :P
More importantly, what was required to perform the retrofit (any additional parts etc, VAG-COM programming?). Also, is Singapore LHD or RHD? And if it is RHD, are there any issues with lights being on the wrong side (fog light/reverse light etc).

[AdamD]

Also, is Singapore LHD or RHD?

Singapore is RHD.

[G-rig]

We took a stab at retrofitting the Golf R Rear Tail Lights on a Golf Mark VI :)

click on picture below for a video clip after we've fitted it :)

http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2010/05/default-1.jpg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QVU2tTzsEP8)

Nice work, I need those lights one day.

I assume you were pressing the brake but it doesn't look very obvious. Also looks like your rear window brake light isn't working.

[hannson]

Well, we know what the lights look like :P
More importantly, what was required to perform the retrofit (any additional parts etc, VAG-COM programming?). Also, is Singapore LHD or RHD? And if it is RHD, are there any issues with lights being on the wrong side (fog light/reverse light etc).hi :)
lol.. i did the pics posted earlier.. just couldn't help sharing our joy with you :cool:

We are RHD in Singapore, but we got the LHD from Europe with a coding interface from Kufatec, whch means no VAGCOM programming :)

Everything works well, but the fog lights and reverse lights are on opposite sites now. No issues in terms of operations though as we'd wired the harness to the appropriate fog/reverse lights.

[hannson]

Nice work, I need those lights one day.

I assume you were pressing the brake but it doesn't look very obvious. Also looks like your rear window brake light isn't working.
oh.. actually, i've got another video with the brakes held.
in the video I posted, the brakes were not "depressed". we just turned on the lights, which lit the rear lights as well.

the rear window brake light will light up (very brightly) when we depress the "brakes" :)

Cheers!

[Corey_R]

Everything works well, but the fog lights and reverse lights are on opposite sites now. No issues in terms of operations though as we'd wired the harness to the appropriate fog/reverse lights.

Yeah - this could be an issue in Australia. Does anyone know what the laws are about fog lights/reversing lights when there is only a single one of each?

[Ozram]

I'm currently trying to communicate with a seller in Germany for the correct UK spec lights for Australia. The inner left & right part numbers are different to the rest of Europe. The parts needed for Australia with the fog light on the right are

5K0945093Q (Inner Light Left)
5K0945094Q (Inner Light Right)
5K0945095L (Outer Light)
5K0945096L (Outer Light)

Adapter cables are also needed as the R lights have a different connector to standard Golfs.

Coding with Vagcom will also be required. AFAIK the Kufatec box is only for LHD or European spec.

See here for more info http://www.mk6golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,81.0.html

[MkVIGTI]

Now that I've got the car, I don't mind having the standard tail lights. They actually look pretty good at night. And I find it especially classy for the tail lights to slowly 'fade on & off' when the leaving home function of the head lights are enabled. The LED ones obviously cannot replicate this.

[G-rig]

The oem one look nice front on, but the circular shape is a bit too much like Honda civic lights IMO.

Anyway hopefully everyone doesn't buy the R LED's.

[Johnson4]

Anyway hopefully everyone doesn't buy the R LED's.

Haha, I kinda doubt that -- especially at the price!

My GTI arrives 1 July, but for the past few months I've had those beautiful VW press shots of the white one as my desktop. It amazes me how "neat" the design is (and I'm a graphic designer) -- including the rear light clusters. The more you look at it, the more beautiful it becomes in its simplicity.

VW and Audi have certainly got their design act together lately. Great to see.

[elephino]

Haha, I kinda doubt that -- especially at the price!

My GTI arrives 1 July, but for the past few months I've had those beautiful VW press shots of the white one as my desktop. It amazes me how "neat" the design is (and I'm a graphic designer) -- including the rear light clusters. The more you look at it, the more beautiful it becomes in its simplicity.

VW and Audi have certainly got their design act together lately. Great to see.

Glad to know I'm not the only one with the press shots on the desktop :)

[G-rig]

What press shots are these? The R or normal GTI lights?

[elephino]

What press shots are these? The R or normal GTI lights?

The shot I use is from head on, but it's the normal GTI lights, not the LEDs.

[G-rig]

The shot I use is from head on, but it's the normal GTI lights, not the LEDs.

Cheers, they do look good head on.

[Maverick]

Yeah - this could be an issue in Australia. Does anyone know what the laws are about fog lights/reversing lights when there is only a single one of each?

Fog has to be in the middle or the right side (furtherest away from the kerb) and reverse on the left side (closest to the kerb). The ADR's spell this out very clearly.

[G-rig]

Is it possible to have a reverse light on both sides as well as the rear fog? Assume you'd have to order some extra bits (referring to the R ones).

Although i love the R lights it still looks a bit tryhard having them on a lesser car, like you really wanted an R..

[Ozram]

They have two reverse lights in the US I believe, and no foglight. All those over there that want the R LED's are having to order a Euro light switch and add extra wiring to the loom. So, yes they are available. As for a rear fog as well, I think you'd have to bolt something extra on and it probably would not be aesthetically pleasing.

I don't see why everyone needs to follow fashion and must lower their rides, or add other bolt-on goodies to look cool. I love the R LED's and don't particularly give a damn what anyone else thinks about the fact that I will be bolting them on to my 118TSI. If I like something I'll do it, only thing I'd want an R for is the nice blue paintwork that I can't get in a standard Golf.

[G-rig]

I'd still like to get them too they are stunning.. Just waiting for them to get a bit cheaper ;).

[Orient Express]

I got mine installed today.

http://www.gjlenterprise.com/gtiledtails.jpg

I also replaced the bulbs for the turn signals with LED bulbs.

I like them a lot.

[elisiX]

Looks great OE.

Definitely a mod that I am interested in.

[AdamD]

Looks great OE.

Definitely a mod that I am interested in.

+1 on both points.

I saw a GTI at night a couple of evenings ago, and wasn't blown away by the stock tail lights. As soon as someone's brave enough to do this mod in Australia, please post your experiences buying and installing!

[G-rig]

I got mine installed today.

http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2010/05/gtiledtails-1.jpg

I also replaced the bulbs for the turn signals with LED bulbs.

I like them a lot.

Looks great Orient Express.

I noticed your post on vortex media group (http://forums.fourtitude.com/). Do you know if it's possible to get the auto windows up working with the keyfob? The pre-face lift used to allow you to hold the button down just for an instant instead of the whole time the windows are closing.

Cheers,

[Orient Express]

Do you know if it's possible to get the auto windows up working with the keyfob? The pre-face lift used to allow you to hold the button down just for an instant instead of the whole time the windows are closing.

Yes, the Mk6 can be set to roll the windows down with the Key fob, and to close all the windows (and the sunroof if it is open) with the Key Fob. To set this, you have to make a setting change in the 09 Central Electrics module using either a VAG-COM software console, or have your dealer do it

Here is a link to all of the tweaks for the Mk6 (http://forums.vwvortex.com/showthread.php?4743553-VCDS-MKVI-MK6-Platform-Handy-Coding-tweaks)

[G-rig]

Yes, the Mk6 can be set to roll the windows down with the Key fob, and to close all the windows (and the sunroof if it is open) with the Key Fob. To set this, you have to make a setting change in the 09 Central Electrics module using either a VAG-COM software console, or have your dealer do it

Here is a link to all of the tweaks for the Mk6 (http://forums.vwvortex.com/showthread.php?4743553-VCDS-MKVI-MK6-Platform-Handy-Coding-tweaks)

Hi, it's working but not like the MK5, as I didn't have to hold the button down the whole time the windows are going up. ie, you could walk away from the car once you saw the windows start going up.

[yojimbo]

called up local vw dealer and parts centre, you can now get the golf r led tail lights for $1400 (exy!) - just the lights, no fitting. the service centre also mentioned they cannot do the install as they dont have the cable adapters to do the retrofit on the gti....short story, they wont do it.

[Ozram]

You can get them for around $800 shipped *with* connector cables if you talk to the right people. $1400 is just plain crazy. They are around 600 Euros list price from the factory.

[vainbt]

anyone has done this yet??

500 euros shipped from Germany... approx 700 AUD......

very tempting..

KUFATEC GmbH - Komplett-Set LED Heckleuchten VW Golf 6 VI - R 37656 (http://www.kufatec.de/shop/product_info.php/info/p1666_Bundle-LED-Rear-Lights-VW-Golf-6-VI---R.html)

[MIRSAD]

anyone has done this yet??

500 euros shipped from Germany... approx 700 AUD......

very tempting..

KUFATEC GmbH - Komplett-Set LED Heckleuchten VW Golf 6 VI - R 37656 (http://www.kufatec.de/shop/product_info.php/info/p1666_Bundle-LED-Rear-Lights-VW-Golf-6-VI---R.html)

Last line on that website:

"Not suitable for right hand drive, not suitable for USA"....????

[Corey_R]

The USA have their own light regulations which are different from Europe. For example, most cars in the USA dont' have separate indicators and use their brake lights for indication...

[MIRSAD]

The USA have their own light regulations which are different from Europe. For example, most cars in the USA dont' have separate indicators and use their brake lights for indication...


Sorry I was more thinking about first part "Not suitable for right hand drive"

[Corey_R]

Oh... well, that part should be really obvious. The fog light and reverse lights will be on the wrong side of the car! :)

[MIRSAD]

Oh... well, that part should be really obvious. The fog light and reverse lights will be on the wrong side of the car! :)

Thank You coreying ... I was thinking it is something more.

anyway is there an legal issue having them (fog & reverse light) on opposite sites?

[Corey_R]

Yes. ADR's define which side they need to be on. So your car could be defected etc.

[MIRSAD]

Yes. ADR's define which side they need to be on. So your car could be defected etc.


#####

Thank You again

[sharkablue]

Im coming into this thread abit late, But are their any right hand drive lights avaliable to order?

I found these however im not sure if they are signed for RHD Markets?

This is just the normal GTI/GTD LED Tail lights (not smoked)
Volkswagen Golf VI 2.0T > Lighting > Taillights > ES#1910146 Mk6 Cherry Red LED Tail Light Set - With Rear Fog - 5K0998001 (http://www.ecstuning.com/Volkswagen-Golf_VI--2.0T/Lighting/Taillights/ES1910146/)

There are the Golf R LED Tail lights (smoked)
Volkswagen Golf VI 2.0T > Lighting > Taillights > ES#1910147 Mk6 R20 LED Tinted Tail Light Set - With Rear Fog - 5K0998002 (http://www.ecstuning.com/Volkswagen-Golf_VI--2.0T/Lighting/Taillights/ES1910147/)

[Ozram]

anyone has done this yet??

500 euros shipped from Germany... approx 700 AUD......

very tempting..

Yes, I have. But not from Kufatec. They should be leaving Germany tomorrow or Tuesday :-)

[Nath]

Yeah good price but wrong set, you can get them from TMTuning in the states for the RHD cars, all up a little under $1000 plus shipping which is around US$40 from memory

VW OEM Golf Mk6 taillights (http://www.tmtuning.com/HOME/catalog/product_detail.php?default_product=2657)

[Ozram]

Im coming into this thread abit late, But are their any right hand drive lights avaliable to order?

I found these however im not sure if they are signed for RHD Markets?

Yes, you need to make sure they are the right configuration as Corey said. There are a few different options, apart from reverse & fog being reversed, the US has 2 reverse lights and no fog.
You will also need adapter cables as they are a different electrical connection to the Golf.
Lastly, you will probably need to access a Vagcom to code them.

[Nath]

Yes, you need to make sure they are the right configuration as Corey said. There are a few different options, apart from reverse & fog being reversed, the US has 2 reverse lights and no fog.
You will also need adapter cables as the are a different electrical connection to the Golf.
Lastly, you will probably need to access a Vagcom to code them.

Agreed however I think you can get a code box if you dont have access to a VAGCOM connection

[Ozram]

Only for LHD I think Nath.

[AdamD]

Only for LHD I think Nath.

I'm in contact with TMTuning about their code box (a device you plug into your ECU port to set the necessary bits, that allows you to get away without VAG-COM). Their response suggested it'd work a treat for us here in Aus, but I've sent a reply requesting explicit confirmation whether the code box will work for Australian delivered cars or not.

Ozram, have you ordered from TMTuning?

[G-rig]

Somone is selling a pair of these on vwgolf.net.au...

[team_v]

I agree...

Note also that these appear to be for LHD cars only (note the rear fog light on the driver's side). Can you get them for RHD cars or are the LHD ones easy to convert?

Regards,
- Anthony

I have a set of LHD tails for my car and they throw a fault code for the foglight.
This fault code means you lose steering wheel controls for the stereo.

I will have to see how easily they can be modified to be compatable but as far as i can tell it is going to require a fair amount of work.
I know the luight surrounds are fine, it's just the light assembly as there is no provision for the left foglamp and the light assembly for the RHD cars doesn't clip in at the same points.

[Ozram]

Ozram, have you ordered from TMTuning?

No mate, A german VW dealership. I think $1000 is too much from TMTuning. I also think the ones for sale on here and on vwgolf.net are too expensive. But that's my opinion. Mine cost considerably less than either of them.

[AdamD]

I'm in contact with TMTuning about their code box (a device you plug into your ECU port to set the necessary bits, that allows you to get away without VAG-COM). Their response suggested it'd work a treat for us here in Aus, but I've sent a reply requesting explicit confirmation whether the code box will work for Australian delivered cars or not.

Sorry for the slackness of my follow-up. Got this from TMTuning in response to my query ref the code box:


It will work regardless of your country yes.
...so presumably RHD Australian models are covered.

I am pretty tempted to go ahead and get these (Ozram - I agree they are very expensive, but am not sure of the alternatives; how did you locate your German dealer?). But I'm still not 100% convinced by the code box. Has anyone else had any experience using these to make changes to their car in the absence of a VAG-COM? I hope they're smart enough to perform checksums and so forth to ensure they're setting the right bits, and don't make changes that could cause problems.

[Golfitup]

I jut installed my LED tails, damn nice!

I figured there are enough photos of how to do this so I thought I would post a vid.

Here you go:

YouTube - LED install in MK6 MKVI Golf (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OBG8fHfXi5s) :banana:

[pom829]

Excellent work,
You made it look easy, was there any problem with codes/error codes.

[Lorenz]

Very nice vid there mate, well shot and easy to follow ;)

[Golfitup]

Excellent work,
You made it look easy, was there any problem with codes/error codes.

Very easy to install, easy as it looks.

I do have an error code (little yellow light on dash). I have not decided how I am going to deal with it yet. I was hoping that new ECUs did not need coding. I was wrong.

[pom829]

Very easy to install, easy as it looks.

I do have an error code (little yellow light on dash). I have not decided how I am going to deal with it yet. I was hoping that new ECUs did not need coding. I was wrong.


I could live with the error code, because the lights look so good.

[maca]

Great video there mate, very clear and good camera angles used to capture exactly what needed to be done.

Do you know what error codes it's throwing?

[Golfitup]

Great video there mate, very clear and good camera angles used to capture exactly what needed to be done.

Do you know what error codes it's throwing?

This is what shows on the dash:

http://i.imagehost.org/t/0550/Bulb_out.jpg (http://i.imagehost.org/view/0550/Bulb_out)

The MFD says to check all the rear lights

[sharkablue]

Is the reversing light and rear fog light on the correct side for Australia?

If so where did you purchase these from? and for how much?

Cheers.

[Golfitup]

Is the reversing light and rear fog light on the correct side for Australia?

If so where did you purchase these from? and for how much?

Cheers.

Hope so! They are the same as the standard lights were.

Bought them from a guy in the UK. With exchange rate at the time was around $850 delivered (inc CC fees)

[sharkablue]

Hope so! They are the same as the standard lights were.

Bought them from a guy in the UK. With exchange rate at the time was around $850 delivered (inc CC fees)

I think the UK is the same as Australia, thats really good! If you figure out what needs to be changed with the onboard computer to stop that alert appearing, that would be great!

Very easy to install to! very tempting to do down the track.

[Corey_R]

So question for Golfitup. Are these the GTI LED accessory lights, or the R spare parts lights?
I've noticed that the GTI/GTD LED "accessories" tail lights are "cherry tinted", whereas the R LED tail lights are "dark tinted". So there are two sets of VW Golf LED tail lights, plus the LHD and RHD versions.

(I'm thinking that they're the R "dark tint" lights just from the video... but thought I'd ask anyway and to let others know there are more than one version).

[Golfitup]

So question for Golfitup. Are these the GTI LED accessory lights, or the R spare parts lights?
I've noticed that the GTI/GTD LED "accessories" tail lights are "cherry tinted", whereas the R LED tail lights are "dark tinted". So there are two sets of VW Golf LED tail lights, plus the LHD and RHD versions.

(I'm thinking that they're the R "dark tint" lights just from the video... but thought I'd ask anyway and to let others know there are more than one version).

I was unsure when looking around if there were a couple versions of the "darker lights" I thought "tinted", "Cherry Red" and "R20" were the same. There you go, learn something new each day.

When I ordered mine I requested the Cherry Red leds, but they look like the ones on the R. I will have to go past a VW dealer and look at them side by side.

[Corey_R]

Yeah - I know what you mean. I thought they were the same too, but check out this link to the tail lights page on ECS Tuning (http://www.ecstuning.com/Volkswagen-Golf_VI--2.0T/Lighting/Taillights/)

All the lights are genuine VW lights, and the GTI (cherry) and R (tinted) are listed separately with different mfg #'s.

[Ozram]

The ones that Steve P supplies are the "R" tinted ones.

Nice video Golfitup.

Mine should be here in the next day or two (tracking them on DHL site).

[Golfitup]

The ones that Steve P supplies are the "R" tinted ones.

Nice video Golfitup.

Mine should be here in the next day or two (tracking them on DHL site).

Its a great moment when you first open the box....damn nice.

[Cossor]

Very easy to install, easy as it looks.

I do have an error code (little yellow light on dash). I have not decided how I am going to deal with it yet. I was hoping that new ECUs did not need coding. I was wrong.

Just a suggestion
error code can be due to LED lights drawing less curent.
Check rated power of LED, if less (around 10% less) than standard lamp, then current detection
will probably need resetting. Need software change.
However, if designed as swapover kit, should have a ballast resistor built in, so replacement LED takes the same amount of current.
(Have to specify lamp power (Watts) to match origonal globe)
Otherwise, contact auto or electronics technician to have a suitable ballast resistor made up.:P
(Connect parallel each LED lamp)

[Golfitup]

Just a suggestion
error code can be due to LED lights drawing less curent.
Check rated power of LED, if less (around 10% less) than standard lamp, then current detection
will probably need resetting. Need software change.
However, if designed as swapover kit, should have a ballast resistor built in, so replacement LED takes the same amount of current.
(Have to specify lamp power (Watts) to match origonal globe)
Otherwise, contact auto or electronics technician to have a suitable ballast resistor made up.:P
(Connect parallel each LED lamp)

The error code can be removed with the use of VAGCOM if the right code can be confirmed for RHD Aus cars. I am hoping that there will be a VW fix via the dealer down the track otherwise I will have to find someone with VAGCOM.

The risk with adding a resister (other than the heat generated) is I think if you draw too much current it could damage the ECU.

[Cossor]

The error code can be removed with the use of VAGCOM if the right code can be confirmed for RHD Aus cars. I am hoping that there will be a VW fix via the dealer down the track otherwise I will have to find someone with VAGCOM.

The risk with adding a resister (other than the heat generated) is I think if you draw too much current it could damage the ECU.

Negative
If Globe is (Example only) say 20watt, and LED is 10watt (guessing only) differance is of course 10 Watts
Origonal globe generates 20W heat, LED and resistor 20W heat, consumed current identical.
Of course, resistor must be placed in suitable area so heat dissipated doies not affect immediate area.
Note, for reliability, specify resistor with twice the power rating required. That way it also runs cooler.
Caution, for calculation, assume battery voltage of 14V, not 12V
By the way, advantage of LED is no 'inrush current' as filament heats up, compared to globe.
But please, first check with auto electrician, to ensure all characteristics of LED lamp are accounted for.

[Orient Express]

Finally got my rear LED lights installed.

http://www.gjlenterprise.com/gtirvc3.jpg

[Hail]

^^^^^^^^^

Damn nice!!! I'm motivated to get the R tail lights now, hopefully someone works out the coding issue.

BTW if someone has 'Steve P's' contact details please PM me. I want to make sure that I purchase the R tinted LED tail lights.

[AdamD]

BTW if someone has 'Steve P's' contact details please PM me.

Ditto, thanks!

[S.A]

That looks great with the CW. Great vid too.

When you were fitting the outermost right hand light, there were 2 holes in the grey plastic(?) surround, on the left hand edge - are they screw holes?

[noone]

R rear lights look great when on / braking. Think we will be seeing a few R-styled alternatives coming up.

[G-rig]

^^^^^^^^^

Damn nice!!! I'm motivated to get the R tail lights now, hopefully someone works out the coding issue.

BTW if someone has 'Steve P's' contact details please PM me. I want to make sure that I purchase the R tinted LED tail lights.

You could send him a pm on Golfmk6.com ?

[Ozram]

Only when you've made 10 posts on that site ;-)

[G-rig]

Only when you've made 10 posts on that site ;-)

Ah ok.

What not post on the LED tails thread:
Golf R LED Tail Lights - Page 13 - VW GTI MKVI Forum / VW Golf MKVI Forum / VW R20 Forum / VW GTI Forum - Golfmk6.com (http://www.golfmk6.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2513&page=13)

What's the cheapest price for a pair of these and the necessary stuff landed in AUS?

[Ozram]

I can give anyone that is interested a contact in Germany of a VW dealer that will send them over here. Mine have cost me $763.00* including adapter cables, freight and coding instructions. Mine are still 2 days away yet, but I ordered a set for another forum member and he received his this morning. The lights are the correct ones for Australia.

I have no affiliation with the dealer as far as kickbacks etc.

PM me if you want the details.

*Price will fluctuate with the Aus $ to Euro exchange rate.

[G-rig]

Cheers Ozram, these are on the mods-to-do list, think they look pretty good without being too ricey. The OEM ones fade in/out nicely but there is something about these that are quite hot.

[Golfitup]

That looks great with the CW. Great vid too.

When you were fitting the outermost right hand light, there were 2 holes in the grey plastic(?) surround, on the left hand edge - are they screw holes?

No, these holes have no purpose that I can think off. There is only one screw, its a big white plastic screw in the back with a spring. There light slides into a clip and secured by the screw. Very easy. Got to love that German designing

[yojimbo]

hey guys, just got the golf r led tail lights installed on my cs gti. the lights were easy to fit however it looks like i may need to get recoded to remove the light blown error and warnings on the mfd, as described in this forum.
http://img534.imageshack.us/img534/2314/yojimbogolfrledtails.jpg

[G-rig]

^Nice work, pretty sexy!

[Golfitup]

hey guys, just got the golf r led tail lights installed on my cs gti. the lights were easy to fit however it looks like i may need to get recoded to remove the light blown error and warnings on the mfd, as described in this forum.


Very Cool, that will look wicked on the road!!! :banana:

Love the wheels too ;)

[Nath]

looks great, nicely done

[elisiX]

hey guys, just got the golf r led tail lights installed on my cs gti. the lights were easy to fit however it looks like i may need to get recoded to remove the light blown error and warnings on the mfd, as described in this forum.
http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/

Looks fantastic. More pics please!

Very keen to see how those wheels look on the CSG in daylight.

Are they coated black? Cant really tell from the pic.

Also, what size and did you drop?

[vainbt]

more pics more pics

damn sexy......... how much did u get it for?

very tempting now.. even though audio upgrade will still come first... hopefully from tax refund? lol

[STV4SYT]

Looks good. I had the pleasure of following 2x GTI's in Wolsburg a week or 2 ago and 1 had LED's the other didnt. defo they look the nuts, not sure if id pay the $$ to do it though given i change cars so often.

[Hail]

Pretty pumped, my LED lights are now on order :).

Has anyone sorted out the coding yet?

[Ozram]

Finally got mine delivered today. And of course, me being me, I had to fit them tonight (in the dark).
There are a lot of really good guides on various forums about the installation of these lights. Namely Steve P's inspirational one that whetted the appetite Golf Mk6 R LED Taillight Retro Fit Guide (http://www.mk6golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,81.0.html)
Also a great resource has been this site LED tail Install with or without Rear Fog. (http://forums.vwvortex.com/showthread.php?4898893-LED-tail-Install-with-or-without-Rear-Fog).
And then Golfitup's excellent video YouTube - LED install in MK6 MKVI Golf (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OBG8fHfXi5s).

Parts required are -
5K0945093Q (Inner Light Left)
5K0945094Q (Inner Light Right)
5K0945095L (Outer Light)
5K0945096L (Outer Light)
The connector adapters I got also has a part number - 000 979 129 E


Just a quick couple of additions -
The inner hatch lights are definitely easier to fit if you remove the outer black / grey plastic end cap and refit it once the light is installed.
http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2010/07/IMG_52211-1.jpg
The outer nut is also a bit fiddly to get the socket onto.
http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2010/07/IMG_522511-1.jpg

All of the connectors have the pin numbers written on them so you can install them the correct way.
The trim is a little tight to fold back out of the way, especially the R/H/S. The plastic screw is fairly tight to unscrew on the outer lights (blurred).
http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2010/07/IMG_52241-1.jpg

Once unscrewed it looks like this...
http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2010/07/IMG_52301-1.jpg

Care needs to be taken to make sure that the outer lights slide under the guide lugs in the rear guard.
Overall, I love them. Only minor complaint is that the fit is not perfect, they seem to have a gap of about 1-2mm underneath the lights.
http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2010/07/IMG_523411-1.jpg

http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2010/07/_MG_52391-1.jpg

And time to play with the camera and some external light ;-)
http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2010/07/_MG_52461-1.jpg


They do put the blown globe warning light on at the dash, I plan to get the VCDS coding of Byte 18 to 04 done on Friday.
PLEASE NOTE LED's are only able to be fitted to June 2009 and newer builds. Coding for R/H drive with Halogen headlights up UNTIL WEEK 45 2009 is Byte 18 in Central electrics to 04. Coding for Halogens & Xenons AFTER WEEK 45 2009 is different please refer to Adam D's post at the bottom of this page http://www.vwwatercooled.org.au/f112/mk6-led-taillights-40280-26.html

[AdamD]

Finally got mine delivered today. And of course, me being me, I had to fit them tonight (in the dark).

They look fantastic Ozram! Great fitting info in your post too - thanks very much!

Time to update your signature - tails no longer "on order". :)

[Golfitup]

Outstanding. They look great! :banana:

Changes the whole rear of the car.

[GTI mk6]

Fantastic look Ozram!
Love 'em lots....want some....sigh
Also great job on photographing the steps along the way (even in the dark hehe)
Thanks for sharing

[GHW]

Pretty pumped, my LED lights are now on order :).

Has anyone sorted out the coding yet?

Hi Hail,

I coded mine today as per Ozrams post on byte 18 changed the default code of 00 to 04.
It's pretty easy, you just go to the binary code and enter 00000100 in place of 00000000 and the default "00" changes to "04"
This has eliminated all the fault codes but I'm yet to check if the bulb out still operates because I forgot to do it after the code change and haven't got access to VCDS atm (the bulb out indicator no longer comes on at start up - not that I noticed if it used to anyway but it's been posted somewhere as a potential issue)
My Gti build Feb 2010 but from what I can gather code 04 works on older build dates too.
Thanks heaps for all your help Ozram, I'm glad you got them up and running and they look awesome !

cheers

[diop]

Hey Ozram, couldn't help but notice your chrome exhaust tips. Looking good!
May I ask where you bought these from and for how much?

Cheers


http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2010/07/IMG_523411-1.jpg

[Ozram]

Hey Ozram, couldn't help but notice your chrome exhaust tips. Looking good!
May I ask where you bought these from and for how much?

I just got a set from Supercheap and modified them by installing a stainless self tapping scew in the end to lock them onto the exhaust. The exhaust flares out at the tips so you need to be able to lock them to a smaller diameter exhaust pipe.

[Ozram]

I can confirm that coding byte 18 to 04 will remove all error messages from the MFD and turn off the yellow blown globe symbol. The warning system is still active and if a globe blows on your car then the yellow light will illuminate.

Just coded mine this morning.

PLEASE NOTE LED's are only able to be fitted to June 2009 and newer builds. Coding for R/H drive with Halogen headlights up UNTIL WEEK 45 2009 is Byte 18 in Central electrics to 04. Coding for Halogens & Xenons AFTER WEEK 45 2009 is different please refer to Adam D's post at the bottom of this page Mk6 http://www.vwwatercooled.org.au/f112/mk6-led-taillights-40280-26.html

[jeeteeay]

Thats great news Ozram.....now waiting for mine in 3 weeks...perhaps :) :)

Thanks for all your help.

[team_v]

I can confirm that coding byte 18 to 04 will remove all error messages from the MFD and turn off the yellow blown globe symbol. The warning system is still active and if a globe blows on your car then the yellow light will illuminate.

Just coded mine this morning.

What does the coding correspond to?
(i.e. does it active the led light setting in the car?)

I have a bulb out light on my tiguan due to the foglight not connecting in the hella lights and was wondering if i recoded it as you have wheter it would remove the bulb out warning.

[Ozram]

Team v,

No coding won't help you with that. I think it does let the ECU know that LED's are present. If you have a hard fault ie. globe blown or wiring diconnected then the system will still show a warning symbol on the dash.

[team_v]

Okay cool, thanks for that.
I figured it would be LED specific as the euro cars have them.

Thanks for letting me know.

[solistics]

Just placed my order (thanks for the assist Ozram). Now the waiting begins.....

[Escell]

Are you guys aware of anyone who can source and install the LED tail lights on a Mk6 GTI? The last thing I want to do is stuff the car up with my average knowledge and I don't have the ability to recode. I've been in touch with Dean @ Volkspower, waiting on a reply.

[Corey_R]

A company like Volkspower is probably your best bet to have them fitted if you don't have the skills/confidence/tools to do it yourself, so that's a good start.

[blanch0b]

does anyone know of a company in perth that does this?

[solistics]

Escell, let me know what Volkspower have to say. I'll be installing mine myself but will need to find someone to do the VAGCOM work. Was going to get it done when I get around to booking my car in for it's ECU remap with them.

[Mk6 GTI]

Hi Guys what about LED Lights fitted in Sydney? Who can i go to? Thanks!

[Ozram]

Hi Guys what about LED Lights fitted in Sydney? Who can i go to? Thanks!

They are easy to fit, I can show / help you. You will need to get Vagcom done after fitting. I can tell you where to get that done too. PM me your details.

[AdamD]

My LEDs arrived yesterday! Thought I'd post a few pics because they look fantastic - especially on Tornado Red! :cool:

http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2010/08/20100803_volkswagen_golf_gti_001_1200x80-1.jpg

http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2010/08/20100803_volkswagen_golf_gti_002_1200x80-1.jpg

http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2010/08/20100803_volkswagen_golf_gti_003_1200x80-1.jpg

http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2010/08/20100803_volkswagen_golf_gti_004_1200x80-1.jpg

I'm having the coding done to remove the check bulbs warning fairly soon - hopefully this weekend. Unfortunately I can't drive my car at the moment (my new numberplate bracket also arrived yesterday, and I removed the stock adapter only to find the hole size smaller than expected - so no new bracket and no numberplate) - so no showing off the tails just yet.

A big thanks to Ozram for all his help sourcing the tails, doing the coding legwork, and posting a great DIY (http://www.vwwatercooled.org.au/f112/mk6-led-taillights-40280-13.html#post535060)!

[GTI mk6]

Adam, these look awesome mate!
I am soooo jealous....you must be rapt with the look, excellent photos :-)

Just a question, did you fit them yourself via Ozrams instructions & is there a bit of a gap on yours like Ozram?(I think)
mentioned? Can you share the $ damage with us too. I do have the details also from Ozram on how to get them but having
no luck convincing the other half that we "really need them" LOL
After seeing yours.....want want want!

[solistics]

Looking really good Adam! These are the first decent photos I've seen with them fitted to a red car (like mine). I assume you secured these via Ozram's contact? If so, how long did they take to arrive? I ordered mine a couple of weeks ago and no sign of them yet.

Cheers

Sol

[Flighter]

having no luck convincing the other half that we "really need them" LOL


Tell her it is for safety reasons - they light up faster and will help avoid someone crashing you/her.

[AdamD]

Adam, these look awesome mate!
I am soooo jealous....you must be rapt with the look, excellent photos :-)

Cheers mate! :)


Just a question, did you fit them yourself via Ozrams instructions & is there a bit of a gap on yours like Ozram?(I think) mentioned? Can you share the $ damage with us too. I do have the details also from Ozram on how to get them but having no luck convincing the other half that we "really need them" LOL
After seeing yours.....want want want!

Yep, I fitted them myself following Ozram's DIY. I'm not a handy person, but had no trouble doing this - it's really quite straight forward, as long as you have the 8mm socket extension tube for the inner tails. There's no major gap on mine - the fit is not identical to the standard lights, but the alignment is spot-on with the body. The only issue is that there's a slightly larger gap (couple of mm extra maybe) between the top of the outside right tail, and the tailgate. But really, I'm being super-fussy - the fit is fine. These are VW parts after all, designed for a body and tailgate that's identical to our cars. So as long as the bolts are tightened properly, I would think that large gaps are unlikely.

The cost was 519 Euros including shipping and insurance. Personally, for the look, unique factor and added safety (I do believe they're far more visible), I think it was money well spent! Do it - you know you want to. ;)

[AdamD]

Looking really good Adam! These are the first decent photos I've seen with them fitted to a red car (like mine). I assume you secured these via Ozram's contact? If so, how long did they take to arrive? I ordered mine a couple of weeks ago and no sign of them yet.

Thanks very much Sol!

Yes, I ordered through Ozram's German dealer contact; I placed my order on July 15 and the tails shipped on the 17th. They were delivered to my office yesterday morning, August 2. So just over two weeks for me - but as I understand it there can be quite a variation in shipping times, for a whole host of reasons. Have you been tracking your lights on dhl.de (http://www.dhl.de)?

[Ozram]

WOW!!!

Congrats Adam, the photos are spectacular. They change the whole look and demeanour of the back end don't they?

I was lucky that this morning my wife left for work at the same time and I got to follow her and perv on my LED's for about 20km's:banana:

Your car looks fantastic mate, well done.

[AdamD]

WOW!!!

Congrats Adam, the photos are spectacular. They change the whole look and demeanour of the back end don't they?

I was lucky that this morning my wife left for work at the same time and I got to follow her and perv on my LED's for about 20km's:banana:

Your car looks fantastic mate, well done.

Thanks very much Ozram! I'd go as far as to say yours and mine now look equally great! :cool:

(Or at least they will be when I copy your Denvers-in-black mod! ;))

[Ozram]

A big thanks to Ozram for all his help sourcing the tails, doing the coding legwork, and posting a great DIY (http://www.vwwatercooled.org.au/f112/mk6-led-taillights-40280-13.html#post535060)!

Mate, you are more than welcome. It's been a pleasure making your acquaintance.

[Hail]

Mate, you are more than welcome. It's been a pleasure making your acquaintance.

Yeah big thanks Ozram!! I'm expecting mine any day now...DP DHL tracking has them in the country. For others info I ordered these on 16th July (1 day after Adam).. so looking at 3 weeks delivery.

Adam they look awesome on the red GTI, can't wait to throw them on my 3dr GTI (red also).

Ozram - will get the guy's details for the coding if its possible (via PM).. hopefully get the lights before Saturday, install them and get the coding done on Saturday :D

[solistics]

Thanks for the info Adam. They didn't give me a tracking number but I've just emailed them to ask for it. Not concerned given at least a few of you here have ordered from the same people and received yours within 2-3 weeks.....just itching to get them!

[Orient Express]

http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2010/07/gtirvc3-1.jpg

http://www.gjlenterprise.com/gtirvc2.jpg

[Browny]

Hi guys

Just wondering if there could be problems fixing the LEDs if they blow? As VW dealers wont fit these lights, will that make it harder and more expensive to replace them?

Cheers

[AdamD]

Just wondering if there could be problems fixing the LEDs if they blow? As VW dealers wont fit these lights, will that make it harder and more expensive to replace them?

Well, they're a genuine spare for the R, so the parts should be available from your dealer, even if they won't fit them. And DIY fitting is easy. Worst-case scenario, you order the necessary part from your original place of purchase (Germany in my case), and fit your original in the meantime.

[Browny]

Cheers Adam

Sorry mate, I know you put how much they cost in Euros, but what was it in AUD?

Thanks

[Corey_R]

Sorry mate, I know you put how much they cost in Euros, but what was it in AUD?

Thanks


The cost was 519 Euros including shipping and insurance.

If you pay via credit card in Euros, then most banks will use the exchange rate at the time of purchase plus a 2.5% currency conversion fee.
So right this second, 519 Euros = AUD$752 + 2.5% = $771

[Browny]

If you pay via credit card in Euros, then most banks will use the exchange rate at the time of purchase plus a 2.5% currency conversion fee.
So right this second, 519 Euros = AUD$752 + 2.5% = $771

Cheers Corey.... That seems like a pretty good price to me! Could these have an effect on warranty at all?

[AdamD]

So right this second, 519 Euros = AUD$752 + 2.5% = $771

And that's just about spot-on what I paid.


Cheers Corey.... That seems like a pretty good price to me! Could these have an effect on warranty at all?

Unlikely. These are a genuine VW part, made for a Golf. If the tail light goes then a replacement won't be warrantied by VW Australia (of course), but other than that, the only issue I can imagine they'd complain about is any issues resulting from the coding to remove the bulb out warning - and many people have made this change without issue.

[Browny]

Unlikely. These are a genuine VW part, made for a Golf. If the tail light goes then a replacement won't be warrantied by VW Australia (of course), but other than that, the only issue I can imagine they'd complain about is any issues resulting from the coding to remove the bulb out warning - and many people have made this change without issue.

Yeah good point... I am just waiting on the contact details from Ozram for the company in German that sends these over.... Did you use the same as him? And if so, have you got the details?

[Hail]

Yeah good point... I am just waiting on the contact details from Ozram for the company in German that sends these over.... Did you use the same as him? And if so, have you got the details?

I also used Ozram's contact - he'll give you his details.

I fitted mine tonight and was very very happy with the fitment and time it took. The instructions Ozram provided were great, thanks once again for your assistance (pics to follow). I noticed the small gap between the top of the inner tail light, only to realise that the std inner tail lights were similar. Hopefully get my recode done this week (BTW Anyone in the inner west or north shore of sydney that is willing to recode for $$, plz PM me), then I'll muck around with the fitment just to get it perfect....I installed it at 6pm with no torch / light source of any kind.

[mr fox]

Gents can anyone post a picture of the gap pls....or is it an adjustment needed to align the tail lights?.....also is it something to worry about ie water entering?......

[elwin]

dudes..
I have asked about the R tail lights for my gti.
They will fit. price is $1070 or something for the lights, INCLUDING installation from VW dealer.
This was the price that my dealer gave me in an official quote. My dealer is Camberwell VW in VIC.
The lights actually only cost something like $600, cost of installation is $400 or so.
You might be able to use your discount keyring when you make the purchase, it will save you 7%.

[Hail]

Gents can anyone post a picture of the gap pls....or is it an adjustment needed to align the tail lights?.....also is it something to worry about ie water entering?......

Pics to follow on the weekend.

It could be an alignment issue as I did the install at night, I will align them over the weekend before I put pictures up. Water is not an issue (tested tonight) - the construction of the tail light is the same as the TSI and GTI being a factory part, there is a rubber boot preventing water from entering the tail gate / chassis.

[kakyoin01]

i havent got a golf yet, but close to a deal once i get my professional membership registered so i get the fleet discount on the car

i asked the sales rep for a quote on the R tail lights the reply was $1350 (fitted), since i did my "research" in this thread, i questioned the rep n she said the "cost" before labour is $1100 ... :bowdown:

[sharkablue]

Has anyone confirmed if Volkspower in VIC are able to code the car to get rid of the bulb out warning? I have emailed them a couple of days ago to see if they could, and I am still yet to get a reply.

[Browny]

I am very happy to see that VW dealerships here in Australia are going to start doing LED lights for the GTIs.... If I can get my dealer to fit them, I will pay the extra cash to take away the risk and hassels of doing it all myself.... I suppose they would be able to fix the warning lights as well.

I read something on the UK forum (I think) that GTIs being built now dont have the warning issue as the lights are plug and play... Has anyone heard this?

Cheers

[A12DO]

Yeah, my dealer offer to fit the LED lights aswell, but be prepared to pay $1400++ all up. It is a lot money tho =( For me it is really not worthed considering the installation guide from Ozram is fairly easy.

[AdamD]

Gents can anyone post a picture of the gap pls....or is it an adjustment needed to align the tail lights?.....also is it something to worry about ie water entering?......

Not exactly sure of the gap to which you're referring. I assume this is in response to Ozram's comment that his tails seem to leave a small (1-2mm gap) beneath the lights?

Here's a 12MP version of one of the images I posted earlier: Golf R tail close-up 12MP (1.5 MB) (http://www.users.on.net/~aday/misc/gti/20100803_volkswagen_golf_gti_003.jpg)

Admittedly the fit isn't 100% perfect, but the tails aren't wonky and the gaps are I'm sure within standard manufacturing tolerances. If I was super fussy I might loosen mine off a little and fiddle with the fitment. But I'm okay with them as-is.

[team_v]

Not exactly sure of the gap to which you're referring. I assume this is in response to Ozram's comment that his tails seem to leave a small (1-2mm gap) beneath the lights?

Here's a 12MP version of one of the images I posted earlier: Golf R tail close-up 12MP (1.5 MB) (http://www.users.on.net/~aday/misc/gti/20100803_volkswagen_golf_gti_003.jpg)

Admittedly the fit isn't 100% perfect, but the tails aren't wonky and the gaps are I'm sure within standard manufacturing tolerances. If I was super fussy I might loosen mine off a little and fiddle with the fitment. But I'm okay with them as-is.

Hi Adam,
Have you tried running water over the lights to see if it allows any leakages into the car?

When i fitted my hella lights to the Tiguan i ran water over the car for a few minutes (also washed it) to see if they would let any water in as it might not be covered by warranty then.

No leaks occured but mine fitted flush like the OEM ones did.
I would check just to make sure.

[AdamD]

Hi Adam,
Have you tried running water over the lights to see if it allows any leakages into the car?

Thanks team_v - that's a good idea; I will give the lights some sustained water pressure on the weekend. However, I'm confident there won't be any issues. For a start the fit is almost identical to stock (once again, it's an OEM part so the only question comes down to whether they've been installed correctly).

But more importantly, the tails have been designed so that (I believe) it's okay if small amounts of water actually seep in behind the tail lights themselves (eg through the small gap above the outer tails in the water channel around the rim of the hatchback). The backing of the tails is all sealed plastic, with no exposed wiring, and the only opening between the tails and the interior of the car is a small rectangular area around which the tails have some substantial soft rubber sealing. The amount of tightening that goes into fitting the tails - those seals should keep just about anything out.

Perhaps the next person who installs tails would like to take photos of the rear of the parts, for illustration purposes? Failing that, I can take some pics of my original tails, which look the same from behind.

[Hail]

Not exactly sure of the gap to which you're referring. I assume this is in response to Ozram's comment that his tails seem to leave a small (1-2mm gap) beneath the lights?

Here's a 12MP version of one of the images I posted earlier: Golf R tail close-up 12MP (1.5 MB) (http://www.users.on.net/~aday/misc/gti/20100803_volkswagen_golf_gti_003.jpg)

Admittedly the fit isn't 100% perfect, but the tails aren't wonky and the gaps are I'm sure within standard manufacturing tolerances. If I was super fussy I might loosen mine off a little and fiddle with the fitment. But I'm okay with them as-is.

My fitment is the same as the picture. I'm just being ultra ultra ultra fussy!! So I'll fiddle with mine on Saturday.

But as you note below these are the Golf R Tail Lights (came in VW parts boxes for me - Ozrams contact is a VW dealership in Germany) with instructions for the re-code. If you were to pull of your lights (original) and re-fit these you'll find some minor adjustments will need to occur just to line everything up perfectly.

Now for the coding :D

[elwin]

ok everyone, i've received a few msgs about this so thought i'd find the actual quote and give some accurate details.
parts you will be buying are:
1. VW-5k0945095L at $273.75
2. VW-5k0945096L at $273.75
labour will be:
1. VW-5k0945093Q at $262.35
2. VW-5k0945094Q at $262.35
This is a total cost of $1072.20 + GST.
Try and use your VW discount key ring for 7% off this price.
hope this helps you guys.

[G-rig]

ok everyone, i've received a few msgs about this so thought i'd find the actual quote and give some accurate details.
parts you will be buying are:
1. VW-5k0945095L at $273.75
2. VW-5k0945096L at $273.75
labour will be:
1. VW-5k0945093Q at $262.35
2. VW-5k0945094Q at $262.35
This is a total cost of $1072.20 + GST.
Try and use your VW discount key ring for 7% off this price.
hope this helps you guys.

That cost of the parts are quite reasonable, hardly worth getting them from overseas now. Definitely a DIY job as it's not worth paying the same amount in labor IMO.

Do you need any other adapters or repair wires etc with the lights from the dealer or is it just a coding exercise?

Cheers,

[Ozram]

1. VW-5k0945095L at $273.75
2. VW-5k0945096L at $273.75
labour will be:
1. VW-5k0945093Q at $262.35
2. VW-5k0945094Q at $262.35

That is wrong. Refer post #129 in this thread http://www.vwwatercooled.org.au/f112/mk6-led-taillights-40280-13.html
They are just the actual part numbers for the 4 lights. There is no labour in there. And there is no mention of adapter cables that *are* required.


That cost of the parts are quite reasonable, hardly worth getting them from overseas now
$1072 + adapter cables + GST local v around $780 landed. I know which ones I'd get ;-)

[G-rig]

That is wrong.
They are just the actual part numbers for the 4 lights. There is no labour in there. And there is no mention of adapter cables that *are* required.


$1072 + GST local v around $780 landed. I know which ones I'd get ;-)

Thanks for clearing that up, seemed too cheap to be true.

[AdamD]

$1072 + adapter cables + GST local v around $780 landed. I know which ones I'd get ;-)

Absolutely! TMTuning used to sell the adapter cables for $US46 (not currently listed on their site, but they were previously; I think they're now bundled with their code box). Let's conservatively estimate the dealer cost to be $AU50 + GST. That would bring the cost to $1122 + GST, so $1234. That's a premium of over $450, before you factor in installation.

[Browny]

Guys

I just spoke to my dealer, and he told me to order them in (as per Ozram's contact) as VWA charge them an arm and a leg for the lights.... He then told me to drop them off to him and he will get the service guys to fit them while they are preparing my car for pick up...

End result, I will be picking my car up in November with the LEDs already fitted with no code issues.... That it fantastic!! BTW, they wont charge me for the installation either.

Cheers

[AdamD]

End result, I will be picking my car up in November with the LEDs already fitted with no code issues.... That it fantastic!! BTW, they wont charge me for the installation either.

That's a great result! Much better than what my dealer was prepared to do - which is precisely nothing. Hopefully dealers will be prepared to change their tune now that the R is out and this becomes a more common request.

[Browny]

My dealer told me that he had a lot of clients with Mk5 gtis doing the same thing(getting LED tail lights).... I have also not been the first to ask this question and surely will not be the last.

I must say that my dealer has been great and he is always happy to answer my emails and answer my questions.... You have just purchased a $50K car for christ's sake, you would think that they would be a little more helpful...

[AdamD]

I had my car coded up with VCDS this afternoon, to remove the bulb-out warnings after fitting the Golf R OEM LEDs.

EDIT: At this stage I had set the incorrect coding value which, while removing the bulb-out warnings, I later realised was the cause of issues with my DRLs and parking lights. For more information, and the correct coding information for a March 2010 (likely > week 45 2009) build GTI with halogen headlights, see this post (http://www.vwwatercooled.org.au/f112/mk6-led-taillights-40280-26.html#post555414).

[Ozram]

AFAIK, everyone in Australia who's fitted the LEDs has had success with the above code, irrespective of build date or model (Ozram used the same code on his 09-build 118TSI).

Agreed Adam. I think the coding that is sent out is for L/H/D models and/or the US models with no foglights.

Just found out something else that may be of interest. It appears that Golf's built before May 2009 may have an earlier style of light controller that may not be able to be coded. Only work around appears to be to install a new controller, which would be expensive.

Looks like my June 2009 build squeaked it in then. Phew!!

[Escell]

Got a reply back from volkspower re led lights coding, very vaguely saying that he has no idea if coding would work. Sounds similar to another reply to this thread. Since we all know what is needed, I might just head to my dealer to have the recoding done.

My lights are on the way from Germany, ordered 5 days ago. Many thanks to ozram and golfitup for the help. Will post pics later.

[Corey_R]

Since we all know what is needed, I might just head to my dealer to have the recoding done
Keep in mind that VCDS is not a Volkswagen tool, so the dealers possibly do not use it...

[Escell]

Ah I see. Has anyone in Melbourne had the recoding done for these lights?

Please pass on their contact details if you have.

[Hail]

Took my car to get coded this morning and they couldnt detect an error through VCDS...even though the blown globe light is showing on my display.

They went into the control module and selected "18" but couldnt gain access.. I'm sure there is something they arent doing right..

In addition...before I went to get the re-code done I noticed after leaving a stand still that my kms accumulated (showing in the bottom left hand corner of the MFD) changed to a symbol showing "- - -" and "km/h" with a small speed type image and then returned to my kms total at the lights. Will check the manual when I get home and see what this means.

[Corey_R]

When you say "they", who is they? And did you see them using VCDS, or was this information relayed to you ?

[team_v]

In addition...before I went to get the re-code done I noticed after leaving a stand still that my kms accumulated (showing in the bottom left hand corner of the MFD) changed to a symbol showing "- - -" and "km/h" with a small speed type image and then returned to my kms total at the lights. Will check the manual when I get home and see what this means.

It just means you hit the cruise control reset.
When resetting the cruise control memory, mine will blank out, have the ----- and then go back to distance since zero'd.

[Hail]

When you say "they", who is they? And did you see them using VCDS, or was this information relayed to you ?

They being a APR authorised dealer (figured they would have VCDS), Yeah I was standing behind his shoulder.

BTW I got my car GTI in Nov 2009, not sure of build week...

Edit: OK - I went on to Ross-Tech's website and worked out what the bloke was doing incorrectly, they went to 18 Supp Codes... and it kept saying not available.. They needed to go (based on AdamD's post) to 09-Cent Electrics -> Coding 07 -> select "Long Coding Helper" - > select byte 18 -> change binary code to 00000100 -> press ESC - > click "Do it".

[Ozram]

Edit: OK - I went on to Ross-Tech's website and worked out what the bloke was doing incorrectly, they went to 18 Supp Codes... and it kept saying not available.. They needed to go (based on AdamD's post) to 09-Cent Electrics -> Coding 07 -> select "Long Coding Helper" - > select byte 18 -> change binary code to 00000100 -> press ESC - > click "Do it".

Or you could have used the original link I sent out http://www.mk6golfgti.co.uk/forum/in...opic,81.0.html

I think I told you in a PM to print it out and take it with you when you got it coded.....

[AdamD]

change binary code to 00000100 -> press ESC - > click "Do it".

Just to clarify on the long coding helper entry for byte 18: the value to set (for my car anyway) is 15 in hexadecimal, and 10101 in binary, however VCDS may require up to a full 8 bytes be entered when changing the value (I didn't actually make the changes when my car was being coded, but I did observe). If this is the case, just pad with leading zeros (so, 00010101 for example).

EDIT: For more information, and the correct coding information for a March 2010 (likely > week 45 2009) build GTI with halogen headlights, see this post (http://www.vwwatercooled.org.au/f112/mk6-led-taillights-40280-26.html#post555414).

[GTI mk6]

Or you could have used the original link I sent out http://www.mk6golfgti.co.uk/forum/in...opic,81.0.html

I think I told you in a PM to print it out and take it with you when you got it coded.....
Hi Ozram,
not sure if its my server throwing a curly at me but I cant open the link you
posted (tried it 3 times) so just wondering if you could try opening it from
this thread please?

Still working on saving for these cool LED's mate, may send you a PM again when I
have the $$$.

Waiting for dealership to call me back today regarding cost from them to re-code
or if they can/will do so.

You have been such a great help regarding these LED's for all who are interested,
along with info from Adam as well.
So good on you guys, much appreciated :banana:

[AdamD]

not sure if its my server throwing a curly at me but I cant open the link you posted (tried it 3 times) so just wondering if you could try opening it from this thread please?

That link was inadvertently truncated. Here is the link you're after:

Golf Mk6 R LED Taillight Retro Fit Guide (http://www.mk6golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,81.0.html)

(Taken from Ozram's extremely useful DIY LED Install (http://www.vwwatercooled.org.au/f112/mk6-led-taillights-40280-13.html#post535060) post.)

[Ozram]

That link was inadvertently truncated. Here is the link you're after:

Golf Mk6 R LED Taillight Retro Fit Guide (http://www.mk6golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,81.0.html)


Thanks for that Adam. Sorry GTI mk6, I didn't realise the link was broken.

[GTI mk6]

Thanks you guys,
youre the best :-)

[REXman]

Just a side note, the dark LED tails are actually for the R. It's the cherry ones you should get for the GTI as they are the ones you can option on the GTI OS.

otherwise it looks wierd That's just me though.

[G-rig]

Just a side note, the dark LED tails are actually for the R. It's the cherry ones you should get for the GTI as they are the ones you can option on the GTI OS.

otherwise it looks wierd That's just me though.

Well they won't make it an R... but i don't mind them. I like how the OEM GTI lights fade in etc but don't really like the half circle shape etc.

Which ones are the 'cherry ones'?

Are they the other LED's:

http://www.tmtuning.com/HOME/medienarchiv/bilder/6811_g6-l-106.jpg

http://www.tmtuning.com/HOME/medienarchiv/bilder/6811_g6-l-106.jpg

[Corey_R]

No.

There are many sets of LED lights made by Volkswagen themselves. It's not just a case of LHD/RHD.
There is also with fog light/without foglight.
Lastly, there is "Dark" and "Cherry".

As REXman stated. The "Cherry" (tinted cover) LED lights is the one offered as a dealer accessory to overseas GTI/GTD owners. The "Dark" (tinted cover) LED lights are the ones used on the Golf R. The LED configuration is the same between them, just the cover colour is different. In the same way as there was a difference between the rear light clusters on the MKV GTI vs R32.

[AdamD]

Well they won't make it an R... but i don't mind them. I like how the OEM GTI lights fade in etc but don't really like the half circle shape etc.

My R LEDs fade out, as my stock GTI tails did. The fade-out isn't quite as smooth as it is with incandescent bulbs, but it still fades out progressively.


Which ones are the 'cherry ones'?

As Coreying has said, the LED tails from VW all look identical bar the colour of the covers themselves.

However, I've been told by several sources that the R version is the Cherry Red version; the standard red tint is the same colour as the regular GTI tails (and is the colour available when fitted as a factory option in Europe).

[G-rig]

Thanks for clearing that up.

Don't know why you wouldn't get the cherry ones anyway, just like GTI owners like the R32 tails.

[boris]

Guys

I just spoke to my dealer, and he told me to order them in (as per Ozram's contact) as VWA charge them an arm and a leg for the lights.... He then told me to drop them off to him and he will get the service guys to fit them while they are preparing my car for pick up...

End result, I will be picking my car up in November with the LEDs already fitted with no code issues.... That it fantastic!! BTW, they wont charge me for the installation either.

Cheers

Hi Browny,

What dealer did you go to?

I'd love to get some fitted to my Golf?

Cheers,

Boris

[GTI mk6]

Finally got mine delivered today. And of course, me being me, I had to fit them tonight (in the dark).

Just a query please Ozram,
its regarding the colour of the LED covers.....dark red v cherry red?
Sounds like I am in the minority on this one, but I like the ones on the new "R", so are they the "dark red"
Thought this was the same colour as you guys had got, but now wondering if yours are the lighter "cherry red" instead.

Can we order either colour from your contact?
Guess what I am trying to say....are yours & Adams LED's the same colour as the new Golf "R" already at dealerships?
OR are they a lighter colour (being the cherry red).
Feel free to respond also Adam :-)

[AdamD]

Just a query please Ozram,
its regarding the colour of the LED covers.....dark red v cherry red?
Sounds like I am in the minority on this one, but I like the ones on the new "R", so are they the "dark red"
Thought this was the same colour as you guys had got, but now wondering if yours are the lighter "cherry red" instead.

Can we order either colour from your contact?
Guess what I am trying to say....are yours & Adams LED's the same colour as the new Golf "R" already at dealerships?
OR are they a lighter colour (being the cherry red).
Feel free to respond also Adam :-)

Okay, I'll jump in (sorry to steal your thunder Ozram!).

Ozram's and mine are the Cherry Red. This is the darker, R-line red, as fitted to the Golf R. See this post (http://www.vwwatercooled.org.au/f112/mk6-led-taillights-40280-15.html#post543354) for photos on my car.

The lighter red (standard GTI red) tails, that are available in Europe as a factory option, have different part codes (IIRC, a different letter at the end of the part code for each tail) to those quoted in this thread (see Ozram's DIY post for the part numbers). I've only seen the lighter red LEDs on a single car, in this post (http://forums.vwvortex.com/showthread.php?4898893-LED-tail-Install-with-or-without-Rear-Fog.&p=65934691&viewfull=1#post65934691) and this post (http://forums.vwvortex.com/showthread.php?4898893-LED-tail-Install-with-or-without-Rear-Fog.&p=65938922&viewfull=1#post65938922) on VWVortex. A guy in the states fitted the lighter red LEDs to his white TDI as he preferred the lighter colour.

[Corey_R]

AdamD, wouldn't the lighter ones that you have linked to from VWVortex be the "cherry red" ones, and the ones installed on your and Ozram's car be the "dark tint" ones?

[AdamD]

AdamD, wouldn't the lighter ones that you have linked to from VWVortex be the "cherry red" ones, and the ones installed on your and Ozram's car be the "dark tint" ones?

I've never heard/read the term "dark tint" used in any official marketing/promotional context, only as a descriptor. The terms I have heard used are Cherry Red, and normal/standard red. (The TMTuning page (http://www.tmtuning.com/HOME/catalog/product_detail.php?default_product=2657) lists the variants as Rline cherry red LED and Normal red color with LED.)

And I agree, Cherry Red sounds like the standard GTI tint. (The same discussion has been had over at VWVortex.) But it is my understanding that Cherry Red is the R-line colour.

At any rate, I recommend that anyone who wants the darker R-line LEDs first quotes the part numbers provided here (http://www.vwwatercooled.org.au/f112/mk6-led-taillights-40280-13.html#post535060), as supplied to Ozram and myself, to ensure they're getting the right parts (in the right colour, and for the Australian market).

[Corey_R]

From the Golf Specifications 06/10 (http://www.volkswagen.com.au/etc/medialib/vwcms/virtualmaster/en_au/new_cars/golf/pricing___specifications.Par.0031.File.pdf/golf_brochure_specifications.pdf):
LED taillights in dark tinted housing
And from the New Golf R Flyer 06/10 (http://www.volkswagen.com.au/etc/medialib/vwcms/virtualmaster/en_au/new_cars/golf/pricing___specifications.Par.0033.File.pdf/golf_r_flyer.pdf):
LED daytime driving lights and unique dark tinted LED taillights

ECS Tuning also lists the "Cherry Red" and "R LED Tinted" tail light sets separately. (http://www.ecstuning.com/Volkswagen-Golf_VI--2.0T/Lighting/Taillights/)


My feeling is that the "Optional LED tailights" available to Europe probably are from the R Line catalogue. Meaning that "Cherry Red" (the lighter LED tail lights) are the "R Line" tail lights.
But the standard Golf R tail lights are definitely the (Dark) Tinted lights - which is what you and Ozram have got anyway :)

[REXman]

The lighter ones are the option you can get for the GTI. I dont think you have the ability to option a GTI tails with anything in AUS from factory.

But you can overseas. You have a choice of the lighter red (meant for the GTI's) or the darker red exclusively for the R. I guess you can fit whatever you want to the car. I reckon it would be cool to get a STG 1 GTI, get the dark tails and grab an "R" badge off ebay. Then you are set!

[AdamD]

ECS Tuning also lists the "Cherry Red" and "R LED Tinted" tail light sets separately. (http://www.ecstuning.com/Volkswagen-Golf_VI--2.0T/Lighting/Taillights/)

So we have two aftermarket suppliers referring to these two parts with the names swapped. No wonder we can't figure it out either!

Safest bet: refer to them as Dark "R", and Light (Euro GTI option) LEDs. ;)


I reckon it would be cool to get a STG 1 GTI, get the dark tails and grab an "R" badge off ebay. Then you are set!

Ooh, badge-engineering. Classy. ;)

[REXman]

Whats the difference between getting the lights and the badge!? I think they both look good.

[GTI mk6]

My feeling is that the "Optional LED tailights" available to Europe probably are from the R Line catalogue. Meaning that "Cherry Red" (the lighter LED tail lights) are the "R Line" tail lights.
But the standard Golf R tail lights are definitely the (Dark) Tinted lights - which is what you and Ozram have got anyway :)
Thanks Coreying, thats where I was coming from too. I liked the darker tint too and thought this "was" what the guys had up until
someone started talking "cherry red" which I am sure I had seen on another website & they were definitely lighter in colour (almost
had an orange tinge to them)

[Ozram]

Whats the difference between getting the lights and the badge!? I think they both look good.

I think the lights only add 5bhp ;-)

[GTI mk6]

Well, just to add another curly one to the mix.....
Got the call back from local VW dealership to tell me the following after the manager had talked to VWA about whether they
could re-code the light bulb blown for me, & to get a price for installing the LED's (maybe).

First case scenario was if they supplied the lights, cables, fitted & recoded them for me.....drum roll $1900 approx!
WHAAAAT.
Well the cost of the lights was pretty much as Elwin had stated in his quote from his dealership, then there was wiring & labour
BUT he also said that it wasnt just a case of re-coding, but a whole new module would need to go in to accomodate the different
power resistance between the stock standard lights & the LED's (guys, I am not technical minded) and know I couldnt get past
the $1900 feedback, so starting to zone out a bit
Apparently VWA said if this module isnt replaced, there can be issues down the track which may cause bigger problems.
They also said the added cost was the reason they didnt go with the LED's as standard on the GTI to start with.

The dealership has been told unless this module is changed they are not authourised to do the job.

Now I know you guys will wonder why I just dont do what you all have, believe me I DO want these lights (as in really want) but
I would feel more at ease if they could have been able to be re-coded via the dealership re:any the warranty.
Right now I am wondering what Browny's dealership will do with the re-coding if he buys his lights & cable via Ozrams contact?
Mine & his are affiliated actually so I would have thought it would be the same deal at both? So feeling :-( right now

[AdamD]

BUT he also said that it wasnt just a case of re-coding, but a whole new module would need to go in to accomodate the different power resistance between the stock standard lights & the LED's... Apparently VWA said if this module isnt replaced, there can be issues down the track which may cause bigger problems.

Well, my initial thought on this is that you've just been charged the "fob off" tax.

The information supplied to me by the VW dealership that sold me my tails is that there are two versions of the light controller (to week 45 build 2009, and from week 46 2009 onwards). There are several versions of the software that runs the controller. The old controller uses software with a version of 03xx (latest version 0361), and between weeks 22 and 45 for 2009 builds there was a modified version of the old controller in use, running software versions 0537 or 0541. The newer controller (for Golfs built from week 46 2009 onwards - so, yours and mine) runs software version 05xx (currently up to 0573 or 0575).

There has never, in any of the forums I've read on the subject, been any mention of any other mysterious new module that's required to run the LEDs. There has, however, been plenty of talk about the modules discussed above, as the ability to fit the LEDs, and code them correctly, depends on it.

If you're really concerned about this, I suggest you ask your dealer for the part number(s) and software details for this new module, and then post that info here. We'll then try to track down the details (using ETKA or erWin possibly), and find out if there really is a separate controller or not.

I'm a huge stickler for warranty, OEM, and doing things by the book. But in this case, I'm sure it's all above board.

[Browny]

Adam

your knowledge and attention to detail is extremely comforting... I was wondering, if the build dates do have a lot to do with it, then should mine be ok as it is coming off the production line on the 8th Sept 2010?

When I mentioned it to my dealer about recoding etc, he didn't blink an eyelid (not that I could see through the phone anyway).... Therefore, I am hoping that Gti mk6 did just get the "too hard basket" fob off...

I will ring my dealer again just to make sure...

Cheers

[AdamD]

I was wondering, if the build dates do have a lot to do with it, then should mine be ok as it is coming off the production line on the 8th Sept 2010?

The detailed version info I have comes from the printout from the German VW dealer, and relates to coding for the LEDs depending on the light module and software for the car in question. If your car is built with the same controller and software as mine was in March 2010, then based on my experience (and those of others who've done this mod and posted in this thread), you'll be fine. There's no guarantee that VW won't change the hardware or software between now and when your car is built (necessitating changes to hardware and/or coding), but it's very likely that if there is a change that affects your car, then VW dealers and parts distributors will be informed of it, and that information should find its way to the forums. If you're concerned, keep an eye on this VWVortex thread (http://forums.vwvortex.com/showthread.php?4898893-LED-tail-Install-with-or-without-Rear-Fog.) and other sources relating to the LEDs, before you order them. Steve P, author of this DIY (http://www.mk6golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,81.0.html), also sells the LEDs, and could be a good person to ask if you have any questions.

As an aside, many people from Australia, Europe and the US have done this mod, and I haven't seen anything suggesting there are any adverse side-effects to making the change.

[Browny]

Thanks Adam, much appreciated.

Cheers

[Hail]

Recoding complete and no bulb out warnings now :).

Thanks again to Ozram.

[GTI mk6]

Well, my initial thought on this is that you've just been charged the "fob off" tax.


If you're really concerned about this, I suggest you ask your dealer for the part number(s) and software details for this new module, and then post that info here. We'll then try to track down the details (using ETKA or erWin possibly), and find out if there really is a separate controller or not.

I'm a huge stickler for warranty, OEM, and doing things by the book. But in this case, I'm sure it's all above board.

Thanks so much Adam for offering to do this, yeah that was my initial thought too "fob me off".
I did phone service dept back this morning requesting part no and name of software, waiting on call back when service
manager gets back to workshop.
Will post info once I receive it.
Gotta say here, that you guys make being a part of this forum worth while and thanks for the amount of support
and very informative advise you contribute to us all :-)

[AdamD]

I did phone service dept back this morning requesting part no and name of software, waiting on call back when service manager gets back to workshop. Will post info once I receive it.

No worries mate. Unfortunately my copy of ETKA lunched itself and I had to remove it (and don't currently have access to the disc), but I'm sure there'll be several very knowledgeable members on here (Maverick, coreying, Ozram to name but three) who may well be able to help out with the info you're after.

It would also be good if a member with a VAG-COM and a 2010 build GTI could post the details on their central electrics module as reported in VCDS, as a point of comparison. Here's an example taken from the first post in the VWVortex thread (http://forums.vwvortex.com/showthread.php?4898893-LED-tail-Install-with-or-without-Rear-Fog.) by a US GTI owner:


Address 09: Cent. Elect. (J519) Labels: 1K0-937-08x-09.clb
Part No SW: 1K0 937 087 F HW: 1K0 937 087 F
Component: BCM PQ35 H 103 0575
Revision: 00103 AG
Coding: 69180A3E90272AC40008008170000D0445050086534D8D6064 8020200000
Shop #: WSC 93007 999 58668

Part No: 1K1 955 119 F
Component: Wischer 08011 21 0512
Coding: 009795

And on that, if an R owner could possibly do the same, including the Coding string that reveals the value of byte 18 for the central electrics module, that'd also be interesting, as the R ships to Australia with LEDs factory fitted.

[G-rig]

These must be the other OEM LED's on GTI's overseas:

Hard to believe they are genuine lights as they look a bit tacky, but maybe it's just a bad photo.

http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2010/08/ledgolf00634050-1.jpg

[Corey_R]

They are not OEM at all....

Dectane are an aftermarket LED specialist in Germany (http://www.dectane.de/)

[Ozram]

They are not OEM at all....

Dectane are an aftermarket LED specialist in Germany (http://www.dectane.de/)

And they look fricken awful IMO

[G-rig]

They are not OEM at all....

Dectane are an aftermarket LED specialist in Germany (http://www.dectane.de/)

My bad, thought they were the same as the link I posted earlier (but assume those aren't OEM either).

Golf 6 Autobahnracer LED taillights, red/crystal (http://www.tmtuning.com/HOME/catalog/product_detail.php?default_product=2702)

I agree though they are very poxy like what you'd see on a Mazda.

[REXman]

Hey the OEM LED GTI lights, look exactly the same as the R lights, only difference is the cover on the R is a darker smoky red, whereas the GTI has a normal bright red.

You know the front of that car doesn't look too bad. Sort of going forth Audi look. But yeah not feeling those rears at this point

[jeeteeay]

Received my LED Tail Light from Ozram's Source @ Germany, after 3 weeks wait...looks awesome :) But...I haven"t got my car yet ..lol

The dealer called me today, the car will be ready for pick up next Friday....finally after 5 months wait :)


Thanks Ozram!!

[solistics]

My LED's arrived today and I fitted them this evening. Thanks again Ozram for sharing your contact!

[GTI mk6]

My LED's arrived today and I fitted them this evening. Thanks again Ozram for sharing your contact!

Congrats :-)
Can we have some pics please Solistics?
Do you have someone to recode them (I see you are from Melbourne too)
I emailed my order 2 days ago,now the wait..... :banana:

[GTI mk6]

Received my LED Tail Light from Ozram's Source @ Germany, after 3 weeks wait...looks awesome :) But...I haven"t got my car yet ..lol

The dealer called me today, the car will be ready for pick up next Friday....finally after 5 months wait :)


Thanks Ozram!!

Only 2 more sleeps to the big day, yipee :-)
Are you getting your dealership to install your LED's?
Love some pics once you have them in, as mine is CW too and LED's just been ordered, via Ozram (the great) hehe

[solistics]

I'll upload some pics this weekend. As for recoding..yeah...I'm hoping someone here in Melbourne wouldn't mind helping me out with a recode?

Failing that I was going to try the tmstuning coding box or waiting until volkspower perform my APR ECU flash.

[jeeteeay]

Only 2 more sleeps to the big day, yipee :-)
Are you getting your dealership to install your LED's?
Love some pics once you have them in, as mine is CW too and LED's just been ordered, via Ozram (the great) hehe

Nuh mate, I'm goin to pick up my car in the morning....install the LED in my garage and drive to my mate shop to recoding....I'm goin to do it in 1 day :)

[GTI mk6]

Nuh mate, I'm goin to pick up my car in the morning....install the LED in my garage and drive to my mate shop to recoding....I'm goin to do it in 1 day :)

So....hows the new GTI with the cool LED's then?
You will have to change your ETA in your sig to "arrived" hehe
You havent had time to post, cause you are still out cruisin' right? :banana:

[jeeteeay]

So....hows the new GTI with the cool LED's then?
You will have to change your ETA in your sig to "arrived" hehe
You havent had time to post, cause you are still out cruisin' right? :banana:

DONE :) all good.... :)

[GTI mk6]

DONE :) all good.... :)

Now....about those piccs showing off the new LED's :-)
Just ordered some too via Ozram (the great) :banana:

[Escell]

Just received mine today from Germany. Will install them asap. Looking forward to it. I will post pics.

Thanks to Ozram and Golfitup. Both extremely helpful.

[Corey_R]

As an enthusiast with an R on order, I'd just like to say on behalf of all R owners.... you all suck!!!!!

:P :D
hehe