Do u have bonnet/lamp protector for you GOLF MK6?

[roy]

just wondering if it's necessary to install such stuff to prevent from scratch by small rock hit on highway.
if u installed where's the good place to deal with? and does it look ugly?
Thanks.

[wdong]

it will not look good....
after i purchased the car, i also paid a fee for a Quattro membership 3yrs, they will fix everything including chip,dents,scratches, wheels and windscreen for free.

[Corey_R]

Lamp / bonnet shields are ugly! And whilst the lamp shields do actually protect the headlamps, those bonnet shields are useless! All they do is make it harder to clean your car and infact make it more likely to scratch due to trying to shove the sponge etc underneath it.

If you are truly concerned about protecting your car from chips and scratches etc, then get the car fitted with 3M Paint Protection Film or Invisi-shield etc.

[Christopher]

it will not look good....
after i purchased the car, i also paid a fee for a Quattro membership 3yrs, they will fix everything including chip,dents,scratches, wheels and windscreen for free.


I don't know if they fix it for "free"... From what I understood when the lady explained it to me is that you have to pay the guy to come out, like $50 - $60 for 15 mins and they you pay more the longer he stays... and he fixes a max of like 20 stone chips at a time...

Please correct me if I'm wrong as my memory is a bit fuzzy...

Reason why you would get it is to fix things that you would not do through insurance...

What are the general costs of 3M protection?

[Corey_R]

What are the general costs of 3M protection?

My friend had http://www.ozicozi.com.au put the Ventureshield 'StoneGuard' product on his new Audi A4. It cost him $695

This page (http://www.ozicozi.com.au/surfacetech/index.php?page=a-typical-stoneguard-kit) details the 'typical kit' which consists of:
Front bumper lower
Front bumper upper
Headlights
Bonnet & insert
Front Guards
Door cups
Mirror Backs
and Top of Rear Bumper

Whilst I'm by no means endorsing OziCozi or the VentureShield product, the installation on the A4 was great and I believe that VentureShield is owned by 3M and so the products are very similar. So shop around - there are plenty of other places easily found in Australia using google :)

On the OziCozi installation of my friend's Audi A4, the film wraps around the 'forward facing edges' of the body panels and bumper, so that even edge chips won't occur.
And for people who are really concerned about stone chips, you can get the entire bonnet covered, as well as things like side skirts, front of rear guards, door sills (to protect from chips from high heels etc) or pretty much the entire car covered if you want to.


So yeah, it's more expensive than doing what wdong did and get one of those 'protection policy memberships'. But the thing is, they have limitations and all they do is repair the damage AFTER it occurs. What not protect the car from damage in the first place?! :)

[wdong]

I don't know if they fix it for "free"... From what I understood when the lady explained it to me is that you have to pay the guy to come out, like $50 - $60 for 15 mins and they you pay more the longer he stays... and he fixes a max of like 20 stone chips at a time...

Please correct me if I'm wrong as my memory is a bit fuzzy...

Reason why you would get it is to fix things that you would not do through insurance...

What are the general costs of 3M protection?

yeah, i saw that lady in Glen Waverley, but i get my deal done in South Yarra, i paid $1000 for ICT Tint, and Quattro membership for 3yrs, they will come for free (fix and everything, if not, they will replace)at anytime.

[Corey_R]

yeah, i saw that lady in Glen Waverley, but i get my deal done in South Yarra, i paid $1000 for ICT Tint, and Quattro membership for 3yrs, they will come for free (fix and everything, if not, they will replace)at anytime.

Hmm - I'd like to see the T&C's on that contact! I mean, if you're driving from WA to VIC and get 50 stone chips on your bonnet and front bumper, then I doubt they'd repair all that. Even if they did, it'll look crap. So what would they then do? Remove the bonnet and bumper, stand them back and respray? Surely there is some limit to what they will and won't do, otherwise they'd go out of business in no time!

My guess is there are limits as Christopher has stated.
But besides... you're still best to stop damage before it occurs, rather than try and clean up afterwards :)

[kryten2001]

If you are truly concerned about protecting your car from chips and scratches etc, then get the car fitted with 3M Paint Protection Film or Invisi-shield etc.

What he said.

But unless you're doing a lot of interstate/highway driving - I wouldn't bother.

Even that clear film stuff looks pretty shizen. Causes uneven fading on your paint too.

[roy]

My friend had http://www.ozicozi.com.au put the Ventureshield 'StoneGuard' product on his new Audi A4. It cost him $695

This page (http://www.ozicozi.com.au/surfacetech/index.php?page=a-typical-stoneguard-kit) details the 'typical kit' which consists of:
Front bumper lower
Front bumper upper
Headlights
Bonnet & insert
Front Guards
Door cups
Mirror Backs
and Top of Rear Bumper

Whilst I'm by no means endorsing OziCozi or the VentureShield product, the installation on the A4 was great and I believe that VentureShield is owned by 3M and so the products are very similar. So shop around - there are plenty of other places easily found in Australia using google :)


thanks for the input. is that something like an invisible film? (i know it might be more complicated than just a film.) basically it's invisible, isn't it?

[team_v]

thanks for the input. is that something like an invisible film? (i know it might be more complicated than just a film.) basically it's invisible, isn't it?

It's like a thick vinyl similar in design to a contact layer that they heatseal onto your car.
Thick enough to protect the car from stones/most scratches but still clear so you can see the car beneath.

[gtimal]

My friend had http://www.ozicozi.com.au put the Ventureshield 'StoneGuard' product on his new Audi A4. It cost him $695

This page (http://www.ozicozi.com.au/surfacetech/index.php?page=a-typical-stoneguard-kit) details the 'typical kit' which consists of:
Front bumper lower
Front bumper upper
Headlights
Bonnet & insert
Front Guards
Door cups
Mirror Backs
and Top of Rear Bumper

Whilst I'm by no means endorsing OziCozi or the VentureShield product, the installation on the A4 was great and I believe that VentureShield is owned by 3M and so the products are very similar. So shop around - there are plenty of other places easily found in Australia using google :)

On the OziCozi installation of my friend's Audi A4, the film wraps around the 'forward facing edges' of the body panels and bumper, so that even edge chips won't occur.
And for people who are really concerned about stone chips, you can get the entire bonnet covered, as well as things like side skirts, front of rear guards, door sills (to protect from chips from high heels etc) or pretty much the entire car covered if you want to.


So yeah, it's more expensive than doing what wdong did and get one of those 'protection policy memberships'. But the thing is, they have limitations and all they do is repair the damage AFTER it occurs. What not protect the car from damage in the first place?! :)
Hi C
The 3M product is very interesting the only thing is how do you know the paint isn't damaged under the film.
Stone chips are formed by an impack to the surface so with the film inplace how do you know the paint hasn't been damaged .The only way to find out is to remove the film and being in close contact with the paint surface how will it stop it .

Being an expanel beater over the years I have found stone chips move higher up the bonnet when bonnet guards are used just the front edge is protected .

Cheers

[elisiX]

I've been wondering about getting this type of film installed - particularly on a dark car like the Carbon Steel.

My main concern is to get the inner part of the door handles done for long fingernails (not mine of course).

But if I was to get the front done, I wouldn't want it covering half the bonnet - surely you can tell the line is there where it stops?

[Corey_R]

@gtimal - I believe the coating is a mylar based product (same thing developed for the tiles on the space shuttled) and was originally developed in the film form to protect the helicopter blades from sandblasting in desert warfare (Gulf war etc).

I don't claim to be an expert on these products, so I won't claim that there is no possibly way you'd get a stone chip go through the film to the paint, however, the damage you'd more likely be see is if a ROCK hit the film and caused a DINT in the bodypanel which is so large it CRACKS the paint underneath (I'd need to be a large rock, cause normally dints usually don't even cause a crack in the paint). Cause yeah, I've seen demos of them shooting a shotgun at the film from the distance of a few metres, and the film contained the pellets!

And yes, you're correct, I'd personally want to get the entire bonnet covered as I've too had stone chips all the way up the bonnet from highway driving. The regular half covered bonnet would probably be fine for city driving though.

@elisiX - the film is pretty good. From the distance of say 2 metres you just can't see it. Standing upright directly in front of the car, it's still difficult to see, but you can if you know it is there. You really have to lean down to see it clearly.

[BTJ]

yeah, i saw that lady in Glen Waverley, but i get my deal done in South Yarra, i paid $1000 for ICT Tint, and Quattro membership for 3yrs, they will come for free (fix and everything, if not, they will replace)at anytime.

waste of money if you ask me.

Like others have said, id rather protect the car.

prevention is better than cure.

[triode12]

Hi C
The 3M product is very interesting the only thing is how do you know the paint isn't damaged under the film.
Stone chips are formed by an impack to the surface so with the film inplace how do you know the paint hasn't been damaged .The only way to find out is to remove the film and being in close contact with the paint surface how will it stop it .

Being an expanel beater over the years I have found stone chips move higher up the bonnet when bonnet guards are used just the front edge is protected .

Cheers

That is why I have had my whole car done with Ventureshield and it was well worth the cost.

On steel panels, the film will not stop dents if the hit from the debris is hard enough (the paint is not damaged however). On plastic parts like side skirts, the paint is protected. My side skirt suffered a very hard hit by a pebble/stone while the plastic film has blistered, the paint underneath is unharmed - being PU, there is no dent on the skirt.

Someone side swiped our car recently which normally would have meant a respray of the panel and adjacent panels. There were long scratches on the front qtr panel and side of the bumper.

The film took all of the damage and all that was needed was for the panel to be knocked back using PDR. The paint on the car is still factory original and they didn't have to remove the panel from the car. I wish I had taken photos as a record of this.

[Corey_R]

That is why I have had my whole car done with Ventureshield and it was well worth the cost.

On steel panels, the film will not stop dents if the hit from the debris is hard enough but the paint is not damaged. But on plastic parts like side skirts, the paint is protected. My side skirt suffered a very hard hit by a pebble/stone while the plastic film has blistered, the paint underneath is unharmed - being PU, there is no dent on the skirt.

Someone side swiped our car recently which normally would have meant a respray of the panel and adjacent panels. There were long scratches on the front qtr panel and side of the bumper.

The film took all of the damage and all that was needed was for the panel to be knocked back using PDR. The paint on the car is still factory original and they didn't have to remove the panel from the car. I wish I had taken photos as a record of this.

WOW, that is AWESOME feedback!!! I knew the stuff was good, but never realised it was THAT good!

Out of interest triode12, which model car did you have this done on, how much did it cost, and where from? (and if it's a MKV Golf, do you have colour coded side and rear lower bumper as well?)

[Maverick]

it will not look good....
after i purchased the car, i also paid a fee for a Quattro membership 3yrs, they will fix everything including chip,dents,scratches, wheels and windscreen for free.

You got ripped off, you should see if you can cancel as you just gave the dealer a heap of profit. PPF is much better value and actual protects the paint, stop chip repairs look like rubbish and the work done by Quattro will be what you can do with a paint pen for $15 from the spare parts desk.


i paid $1000 for ICT Tint, and Quattro membership for 3yrs, they will come for free (fix and everything, if not, they will replace)at anytime.

They won't come out for free at all. Perhaps you should have read the terms and conditions before signing up and giving the ming mole a big commission and allowing the dealership to get back same of your discount. It's $55 each callout and they will only fix one to two of the same items per callout so you have to keep calling them out.

Anything else you signed up for like this?

http://www.quattroclub.com.au/terms.html

GENERAL MEMBERSHIP TERMS – Under the terms of the Quattro Membership program individual repair callouts shall be charged at a fixed rate of $55.00 (including GST) for the term of the membership. Repair callouts are available Monday to Friday 9am to 4pm in all metropolitan areas. Regional repair callouts will attract a 10% surcharge.
REPAIR CALLOUT LIMITS – There is no limit to the number of repair callouts a member can make under this membership. Each individual repair callout shall incur a $55.00 (including GST) repair callout fee unless otherwise stated in the full terms and conditions.
DENTS – Doors, Front Guards, Rear Guards, Bonnet, Roof and Boot. Flat panel areas where there are pressure dents up to 100mm in diameter and not on panel crease line are eligible for repair where access to the reverse of the panel allows. Up to two dents are repairable per repair callout.
SCRATCHES – Doors, Front Guards, Rear Guards, Bonnet, Roof and Boot. Scratches on metal surfaces where the clear coat is not broken can usually be repaired without the need for painting. Scratches up to 300mm long and across two panels are repairable. One scratch is repairable per repair callout.
STONE CHIPS – Stone chips are usually caused by stones and other road grime when in transit and can be repaired without the need to fully re-spray panels. With Quattro Membership up to 25 stone chips are repairable per repair callout with a maximum size of 3mm each chip.
BUMPER BARS – Scratches, Scuffs, Scrapes, Cuts and Dents up to 300mm long and up to 20mm deep can be repaired per repair callout.
SIDE MIRRORS – Scratches, Scuffs, Scrapes, Cuts and Cracks in plastic mirror outer casings can be repaired with one casing repair per repair callout.
BODY KITS – Side Skirts, Spoilers and Door Bump Strips are repairable under this membership for scratches, scuffs, scrapes or cuts up to 300mm long and 100mm wide per repair callout.
INTERIOR TRIM – Vinyl and leather on door trims and dashboards with cuts or tears up to 50mm in diameter are repairable per repair callout. Any vinyl or leather required for repair are charged additionally to this membership.
SEATS TRIM – Vinyl, leather and fabric on seats where cuts or tears up to 50mm long and 5mm wide and not within 30mm of trim seams may be repaired per repair callout. Any vinyl, leather or fabric required for repairs are charged additionally to this membership.
ALLOY WHEELS – Scuffs and minor scrapes up to 50mm in diameter at the widest point on alloy wheels are repairable under this membership provided the damage is not structural. One wheel is repairable per repair callout. If additional work is required on structural damage, Quattro members will be eligible for a 25% discount off the costs associated with major wheel repairs. Machined, mirror lacquered, chromed or shadow chrome painted wheels are not provided for under this membership.
HUB CAPS – Scuffs, Scratches and Cracks in plastic hub caps are repairable under this membership with up to 2 hub caps repairable per repair callout. Repairs where cracks are present are repairable provided the hub cap structure remains intact as one unit. Machined, mirror lacquered, chromed of shadow chrome painted hub caps are not provided for under this membership.
WINDSCREEN – Front windscreen stone chips are repairable under this membership. Up to 2 stone chips with a maximum diameter of 3mm are repairable per repair callout.

[gtimal]

That is why I have had my whole car done with Ventureshield and it was well worth the cost.

On steel panels, the film will not stop dents if the hit from the debris is hard enough but the paint is not damaged. But on plastic parts like side skirts, the paint is protected. My side skirt suffered a very hard hit by a pebble/stone while the plastic film has blistered, the paint underneath is unharmed - being PU, there is no dent on the skirt.

Someone side swiped our car recently which normally would have meant a respray of the panel and adjacent panels. There were long scratches on the front qtr panel and side of the bumper.

The film took all of the damage and all that was needed was for the panel to be knocked back using PDR. The paint on the car is still factory original and they didn't have to remove the panel from the car. I wish I had taken photos as a record of this.
Thanks triode for the post .
I'm curious about your user name ,are you into valve amps and if so which triode 45,2A3,300B,845,211 .
Cheers
Mal

[Corey_R]

http://www.quattroclub.com.au/terms.html

GENERAL MEMBERSHIP TERMS – Under the terms of the Quattro Membership program individual repair callouts shall be charged at a fixed rate of $55.00 (including GST) for the term of the membership. Repair callouts are available Monday to Friday 9am to 4pm in all metropolitan areas. Regional repair callouts will attract a 10% surcharge.
REPAIR CALLOUT LIMITS – There is no limit to the number of repair callouts a member can make under this membership. Each individual repair callout shall incur a $55.00 (including GST) repair callout fee unless otherwise stated in the full terms and conditions.
DENTS – Doors, Front Guards, Rear Guards, Bonnet, Roof and Boot. Flat panel areas where there are pressure dents up to 100mm in diameter and not on panel crease line are eligible for repair where access to the reverse of the panel allows. Up to two dents are repairable per repair callout.
SCRATCHES – Doors, Front Guards, Rear Guards, Bonnet, Roof and Boot. Scratches on metal surfaces where the clear coat is not broken can usually be repaired without the need for painting. Scratches up to 300mm long and across two panels are repairable. One scratch is repairable per repair callout.
STONE CHIPS – Stone chips are usually caused by stones and other road grime when in transit and can be repaired without the need to fully re-spray panels. With Quattro Membership up to 25 stone chips are repairable per repair callout with a maximum size of 3mm each chip.
BUMPER BARS – Scratches, Scuffs, Scrapes, Cuts and Dents up to 300mm long and up to 20mm deep can be repaired per repair callout.
SIDE MIRRORS – Scratches, Scuffs, Scrapes, Cuts and Cracks in plastic mirror outer casings can be repaired with one casing repair per repair callout.
BODY KITS – Side Skirts, Spoilers and Door Bump Strips are repairable under this membership for scratches, scuffs, scrapes or cuts up to 300mm long and 100mm wide per repair callout.
INTERIOR TRIM – Vinyl and leather on door trims and dashboards with cuts or tears up to 50mm in diameter are repairable per repair callout. Any vinyl or leather required for repair are charged additionally to this membership.
SEATS TRIM – Vinyl, leather and fabric on seats where cuts or tears up to 50mm long and 5mm wide and not within 30mm of trim seams may be repaired per repair callout. Any vinyl, leather or fabric required for repairs are charged additionally to this membership.
ALLOY WHEELS – Scuffs and minor scrapes up to 50mm in diameter at the widest point on alloy wheels are repairable under this membership provided the damage is not structural. One wheel is repairable per repair callout. If additional work is required on structural damage, Quattro members will be eligible for a 25% discount off the costs associated with major wheel repairs. Machined, mirror lacquered, chromed or shadow chrome painted wheels are not provided for under this membership.
HUB CAPS – Scuffs, Scratches and Cracks in plastic hub caps are repairable under this membership with up to 2 hub caps repairable per repair callout. Repairs where cracks are present are repairable provided the hub cap structure remains intact as one unit. Machined, mirror lacquered, chromed of shadow chrome painted hub caps are not provided for under this membership.
WINDSCREEN – Front windscreen stone chips are repairable under this membership. Up to 2 stone chips with a maximum diameter of 3mm are repairable per repair callout.

Thanks Mav. I couldn't be bothered looking it up before, but I'm glad someone did and posted this, because these things are REALLY a rip off. I mean seriously, these companies wouldn't be in business if they were a good deal! So everyone take note, if you are really concerned, buy the PPF!

[triode12]

WOW, that is AWESOME feedback!!! I knew the stuff was good, but never realised it was THAT good!

Out of interest triode12, which model car did you have this done on, how much did it cost, and where from? (and if it's a MKV Golf, do you have colour coded side and rear lower bumper as well?)

It cost me $2.5K from UniversalTint in Brookvale (speak to Chris, mention me and he will give you a discount). The other applicators wanted $4K. Yes, I have colour coded sides and bumpers.

[triode12]

Thanks triode for the post .
I'm curious about your user name ,are you into valve amps and if so which triode 45,2A3,300B,845,211 .
Cheers
Mal

Hi Mal,

Yup, good guess!!
I don't have amps with any of those valves just a 6V6 10W headphone/speaker amp and an old pioneer valve amp (6BM8 valves) I picked up for $65.
:)

What do you use?

[gtimal]

Hi Mal,

Yup, good guess!!
I don't have amps with any of those valves just a 6V6 10W headphone/speaker amp and an old pioneer valve amp (6BM8 valves) I picked up for $65.
:)

What do you use?

I'm building 300B SET amp's for an active speaker system .

Cheers

[Christopher]

Great work on the research Mav.
As Coreying said, the company wouldn't be staying afloat if it was to fix everything and anything all at once for free.
The devil is in the detail.

With a cancellation, you'll need to read over the T's&C's so see if you can cancel it either:
1. Before the car arrive and thus before your policy starts, or
2. If it has to be cancelled within a certain period of time after signing on.

[Corey_R]

Yep - plus, for the $1000 wdong paid for that full tint and Quattro membership, we definitely know he can get full tint and the standard Ventureshield installation. So that'd be a much better use of $1000.

[ozvino]

Yep - plus, for the $1000 wdong paid for that full tint and Quattro membership, we definitely know he can get full tint and the standard Ventureshield installation. So that'd be a much better use of $1000.

is anyone really surprised ? dealers that have the bimbo on the payroll who does the hard sell on tinting, fabric and paint protection love getting hold of a wood duck; thats where the real dollars are to be had with new car sales....the margin on that $1000 sale was probably close to half what they made on the car itself when you consider whoesale tiniting has to be under $200.......

[Maverick]

is anyone really surprised ? dealers that have the bimbo on the payroll who ....

Show some respect please, their official title is 'Ming Mole'.

A 'Ming Mole' is easy to identify in the dealers by the normal characteristics of


Blonde
Medium to Large Rack
Somewhat Attractive is a superficial way (also known as FF - foundation face)
Short Skirt
Skimpy Top to divert your eyes away from the fine print as you sign
Commonly uses big words like 'Nano Technology', 'Protection' and 'PTFE' that she doesn't understand when asked to explain.

[stewarthou]

3 years ago, I paid $600 for a protection program, and later I asked for repairing some dents, the dealer ask me to contact another company, but I thought the dealer will do the repair.
This time after the girl explained everything which she does not know, I just said NO and left.