VIC Haunted Hills Hill Climb 27/9/09

[Peter Jones]

A few people have asked about this so I thought I'd start a thread to deal with the questions and get the info out there. Follow the links! There's a bunch of reading to do.

The event is being run by the Holden Sporting Car Club of Victoria (http://www.holdenclub.com/) and the Ford Four Car Club (http://www.ffcc.asn.au/) as part of their Ford vs Holden speed series (and part of the Group 5 speed series too).

The supp regs can be downloaded from this link (http://www.holdenclub.com/2009/fvh_r5/2009%20Hillclimb%20supp%20regs.doc) in word format.

The venue belongs to the Gippsland Car Club (http://www.gippslandcarclub.com.au/index.html) . Here's a link to the google map (http://maps.google.com.au/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=Bill+Schultz+,+Yallourn+VIC+3825&sll=-38.191581,146.31197&sspn=0.02469,0.055747&ie=UTF8&z=15&iwloc=A)

You'll need a CAMS (http://www.cams.com.au/) S2 (or superior) License and membership of a CAMs affiliated club.

Classes are as per all group 5 events. The PIARC site has the details here (http://www.piarc.com.au/?item=14662) and here (http://www.piarc.com.au/files/2007%20Group%205%20Regulations.doc).

Your car will need to comply with pertinent CAMS regulations. (http://www.camsmanual.com.au/)

That should be enough to get you started, we'll work through the questions together.

I'll be trailering the white MK1 out there on the day. Pit crew volunteers and spectators welcome!

Pete

[Peter Jones]

Here's an extract of the supp regs for the click impaired.:rolleyes:



Group 5 Hillclimb



27th September 2009

1.The meeting shall be held under the International Sporting Code of the F.I.A., the National Competition Rules (NCR) of the Confederation of Australian Motor Sport Limited (CAMS), the Speed Event Standing Regulations, these supplementary regulations and any further regulations if issued. This event will be conducted under and in accordance with CAMS OH&S and risk management policies, which can be found at CAMS website www.cams.com.au (http://www.cams.com.au/)
2.The C.A.M.S. Permit Number is: 309/2709/04
3.This will be a Multi-Club hillclimb, promoted by and the Holden Sporting Car Club Inc. and Ford Four Car Club Inc. To be held at Haunted Hills Circuit Bill Shultz Drive Yallourn on Sunday 27 September 2009, open to members of clubs affiliated with CAMS. The event will be conducted under and in accordance with the CAMS OH&S and Risk Management policies, which can be found at www.cams.com.au (http://www.cams.com.au/).

4.The officials of the event are:
i.Clerk of Course Vlad Kowal CAMS Lic:9892635
ii.Secretary Frank Rogan 9726839
iii.Stewards Debbie Tatt CAMS Lic: 1023428
Peter Stewart CAMS Lic:10414484

5.Entries open on the publication of these regulations and close on 27/9/09 at 9.30am. The field will be limited to 60 entries. Entries will be accepted in order of receipt. The entry fee will be $70.00 for paid entries received before 25/09/09 and $75.00 for entries received thereafter. The promoters reserve the right to refuse any entry, in accordance with the NCR and to cancel the event if insufficient entries are received.

6.Scrutiny will commence at 8.00 am and finish at 9.30am. A compulsory driver’s briefing that must be attended by all drivers will then take place after which competition will commence. Competition shall consist at least 4 runs of the hillclimb track in a clockwise direction. The running order will be given at drivers briefing. Changes to the running order are the sole discretion of the Clerk of Course.

7.Drivers must present their current Club Membership and CAMS level 2S Licence or Superior to the event secretary before their cars will be scrutineered.

8.Competition laps will be electronically timed to 1/100th second. Prizes will be in the form of trophies for fastest individual run for class

9.Classes will be as follows: as per series Group 5 regulations.

The Chief Scrutineer will be the Judge of Fact (in accordance with NCR 177) with regard to class eligibility and vehicle safety. Classes will be combined if there are insufficient competitors in any class. It is the competitor’s responsibility to ensure that the competing vehicle complies with the nominated class regulations. Failure to so may result in the vehicle being re-classified by the promoter or disciplinary action taking place.

10.This event shall be open to all vehicles conforming to Section 6, Schedule A and Schedule B of the 2009 CAMS Manual.

11.For Road Registered cars, the minimum requirements include:
a.Be fitted with two separate fastening systems for all vehicles except those with forward hinged bonnets.
b.A safety belt or harness as prescribed in Schedule I.
c.A fire extinguisher conforming to CAMS requirements. (AS 1841 [except 1841.2]) firmly fitted and readily accessible (BCF/Halon Type extinguishers will not be accepted).

12.
a. Whilst competing, all competitors must wear:
i.Non synthetic clothing covering neck to wrist & ankle;
ii.A Helmet conforming with the current CAMS Manual Section 6 Schedule D & is deemed by the scrutineers to be suitable for competition.
iii.A Safety belt or harness as prescribed in Schedule I.
b.All open vehicles must have an approved roll bar and the driver must wear approved goggles.
c.No passengers are allowed in competing vehicles.
d.Numbers are to be displayed during the course of the competition but must be removed or covered before being used on public roads.
e.Any competitor exceeding 10kph in the pits/paddock will be excluded.
f.Re-runs will only occur at the discretion of the Clerk of Course.
g.All removable objects (including tools, jacks, spare wheels and wheel trims) must be removed from the vehicle.
h.Any competitor who after leaving the track re-joins at a dangerous speed or with the wheels spinning will be excluded.
i.All competing vehicles are required to have an effective muffler in the exhaust system. Megaphones will not be permitted.
j.Camping within the confines of the circuit is strictly prohibited.

13.ANTI DOPING POLICY
During any event, consumption of alcoholic beverages in the paddock, pits or any other portion of the competition venue under the control of the officials is expressly forbidden until all practice or competition activity is concluded for each day. Any driver or crew member who is found to be affected by alcohol on the day of the event or practice therefore shall not be permitted to participate. Refer NCR 145A of the Current CAMS Manual. In addition, the persons concerned will be subject to the Articles of the Standard Operating Procedure for Alcohol Testing and CAMS Anti-Doping Policy. Competitors, crews or officials may be randomly tested for alcohol by a CAMS Accredited Testing Official (CATO) or other drugs at any time during the event(s). The CAMS Anti Doping Policy, as appears in the CAMS Manual of Motor Sport and as amended from time to time, is recognised as an integral component of the NCR and is duly authorised as such. In any areas where the National Competition Rules and the CAMS Anti Doping Policy conflict, the CAMS Anti Doping Policy will take precedence.

[Water Boy]

Hmmmm I was planning on hitting up the Hills soon so this may be chance...

[velly_16v_cab]

its the weekend i am moving :(

[adzy]

Sounds good, would be a first for me. I better look at getting an extinguisher fitted to my passenger seat rail :D
Any VW CAMS aff. clubs I could join in Melb?

[Peter Jones]

Sounds good, would be a first for me. I better look at getting an extinguisher fitted to my passenger seat rail :D
Any VW CAMS aff. clubs I could join in Melb?

There's a whole thread on CAMS affiliated clubs here. (http://www.vwwatercooled.org.au/newforum/upload/showthread.php?t=1150)

There's also a list (http://cams.com.au/en/Sport/Club%20Zone/Club%20Finder.aspx) on the CAMS Website.

The obvious choice is The VW Club of Victoria (http://vwclub.com.au/)another popular choice is PIARC (http://www.piarc.com.au/)(Phillip Island Auto Racing Club)

I'm in VWCV.

You'll need your club membership before you can apply for your CAMS license so APPLY TODAY! If you leave it to the last minute you won't end up doing it. For some events they'll sell you a membership and a CAMS license on the day but you're far better off getting organised well beforehand. If you apply for your CAMS license via a club they can give you an interim license until your permanent license arrives, otherwise apply directly to CAMS.

Pete

[GoLfMan]

fantastic, Im finally going to try and make this one!

[Peter Jones]

With regard to Fire Extinguishers CAMS Schedule H (http://www.camsmanual.com.au/pdf/10_gen_req/GQ09_Schedule_H_Q309.pdf) refers.

In a nut shell it'll pass scrutineering IF


It's sercurely mounted
It's bracket is made of metal (NOT plastic)
The pressure guage is in the Green
It complies with AS1841 but NOT AS1841.2
Has a capacity of at least 900g.
It's mounted within reach of the driver

Don't be too scared by all of this - Autobarn sells 'em for about $30.

Pete

[adzy]

There's a whole thread on CAMS affiliated clubs here. (http://www.vwwatercooled.org.au/newforum/upload/showthread.php?t=1150)

There's also a list (http://cams.com.au/en/Sport/Club%20Zone/Club%20Finder.aspx) on the CAMS Website.

The obvious choice is The VW Club of Victoria (http://vwclub.com.au/)another popular choice is PIARC (http://www.piarc.com.au/)(Phillip Island Auto Racing Club)

I'm in VWCV.

You'll need your club membership before you can apply for your CAMS license so APPLY TODAY! If you leave it to the last minute you won't end up doing it. For some events they'll sell you a membership and a CAMS license on the day but you're far better off getting organised well beforehand. If you apply for your CAMS license via a club they can give you an interim license until your permanent license arrives, otherwise apply directly to CAMS.

Pete


With regard to Fire Extinguishers CAMS Schedule H (http://www.camsmanual.com.au/pdf/10_gen_req/GQ09_Schedule_H_Q309.pdf) refers.

In a nut shell it'll pass scrutineering IF


It's sercurely mounted
It's bracket is made of metal (NOT plastic)
The pressure guage is in the Green
It complies with AS1841 but NOT AS1841.2
Has a capacity of at least 900g.
It's mounted within reach of the driver

Don't be too scared by all of this - Autobarn sells 'em for about $30.

Pete

I'm getting excited now :D

Thanks heaps for the info and suggestions Pete it is hard to get educated on the competition side of things as many ppl dont give u their time and effort.

Thanks Pete :)

Adzy

[Peter Jones]

I'm getting excited now :D

Thanks heaps for the info and suggestions Pete it is hard to get educated on the competition side of things as many ppl dont give u their time and effort.

Thanks Pete :)

Adzy

No problems, as Mod of this section I sort of see it as my job.

I've been meaning to write up a getting started in Motorsport thread and sticky it. I'll re-use the info I've posted here when I get around to it.There's a lot of info to wade through and it's real hard going into it cold and you don't have friends that are already in the scene.

Also check out my wreck to race thread, there's a lot of info in there too as I went through the process of getting my car race ready.

I don't know all the answers of course but I'm always willing to learn and there's a lot of very knowledgable people on this forum.

Pete

[Peter Jones]

Another question that always arises is the need for supplementary bonnet retraints. CAMs Schedule B (http://www.camsmanual.com.au/pdf/10_gen_req/GQ03_Schedule_A_B_Q309.pdf) refers

extract.

1. fitted with two separate fasteners on any front opening panel;

In practice for most of us this just means having a backup to the bonnet catch. Solutions vary. Bonnet pins, belts and catches are often seen on race cars but for track days I've seen a lot of improvised solutions.

I run two short lengths of chain with snap fasteners inside the bonnet.
WaterBoy has a similar setup with a single short length of steel wire cable.
There's just enough length to get your hand in there and latch the clip with the bonnet ajar.

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Often Nylon belts or straps are used too. These can be temporarily looped through some part of the bonnet and tied down to the tow point.

Although I can't find the reference the scrutineers use the term "non extensible" meaning that a bungee cord is NOT acceptable.

Use your common sense. The idea is that if your bonnet catch fails (perhaps in the case of a collision) your bonnet doesn't flip up over the windscreen - so it needs to be strong. Bear in mind too that marshals might need to open the bonnet trackside so locking it shut with a padlock wouldn't be a great idea either.

Pete

[GreyWagon]

I would encourage you to get to haunted hills if you can. I was there in my MkV R32 in the pouring rain a few saturdays ago and had a ball :wow:

It would also be a good place for early forays on the track. Although it's a very difficult circuit, low speeds and the fact that hillclimbs are run as 1 car on the track at a time make it a good place to start. On the way home at 110 on the freeway I pondered that I'd be running around all day with the helmet on, fire extinguisher, etc and only hit 95 on the track. Would probably top out at more like 110 in the dry.

As tips for prepping the car, for anyone with a MkV all I do is:

Fire extinguisher - Simply mounted it to a steel plate in which I cut out 2 bolt slots. The slots line up with the seat rail bolts on the passenger seat, so to fit it I simply loosen those bolts, put the mount in and tighten them back up. The spline socket to undo the seat bolts cost me about as much as the extinguisher!

Bonnet latch - a nylon strap with buckle (ie simple tiedown strap). I thread this through the bonnet latch u-bolt on the bottom of the bonnet, then out through either side of the grill and strap it down in front of the grill. A bit of gaffer tape tacks care of the loose ends.

Tow hooks - some events will require you to have tow hooks fitted front and rear. Unfortunately the tow hooks on late model VWs are screw in hooks and they only come with one hook, which can be mounted front or rear. Thankfully I own two late model VWs so I have 2 tow hooks, otherwise if the regs for the event require front and rear hooks to be fitted, you may need to purchase another from spare parts.

It's not that fiddly and once you have the gear you are set for the life of your car.

[adzy]

Bonnet latch - a nylon strap with buckle (ie simple tiedown strap). I thread this through the bonnet latch u-bolt on the bottom of the bonnet, then out through either side of the grill and strap it down in front of the grill. A bit of gaffer tape tacks care of the loose ends.

It's not that fiddly and once you have the gear you are set for the life of your car.

Thanks for the tips bro ;)
Dont know if I understand fully....So for the bonnet strap, you can get away with the grill being the only means of tied down support for the bonnet? I thought they would require it to be strapped to something more solid and secure (front tow hook)? But if they are happpy with that then it sounds good :D

[Peter Jones]

Posted off my entry form today!

Pete

[Peter Jones]

All packed up and ready to roll! Any one else coming along tomorrow?

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Pete

[gldgti]

good luck pete :-) have loads of fun :-)

[GoLfMan]

Id be coming along if i didnt have to sort out my mk1 for daily duties, thanks to Sooty being crunched.

good luck matey :D

[Peter Jones]

Insane weather today! Horizontal rain, Gale force winds, Sleet.

I'm back at home now drying out, I'll pop up some pics after I've unloaded.

There's not a lot of pictures, conditions were apalling. Jodie managed to snap a few shots from the comfort of the Bora.

The track is awesome, even in the wet. I think my best time was 78.17 I'll post the official results when they're up.

I was probably about mid-field in the results, a lot of people were having adhesion issues :-)

I managed to spin out on my 7th pass but kept it on the track with nil damage. 8 runs all up.

Must go again in the dry.

Pete

[GoLfMan]

sounds like you had an awesome time Pete :)

hopefully I can come next time!

[Preen59]

Good to hear you had a good day despite the conditions, Pete. :)

And hey, if you spun out it means you found the limit.. Which is a good thing. :cool:

[Peter Jones]

And hey, if you spun out it means you found the limit.. Which is a good thing. :cool:

Hmmm, think I might put the spin out down to operator error rather than the car at this stage.

Came off a right hander into a steep descent with a left hander at the bottom. Tapped the brakes before I'd begun to make the transition and the car kept turning right:rolleyes:

The back end passed me on my left and the car span 270° on the spot.

A few other people had come off in the same spot by the re-entry mud on the track.

WRX's make good lawn mowers judging by the amount of weeds that came back in one person's spoiler. :mowlawn:

[Peter Jones]

Some photos of the day. Jodie's compiling all the video at them moment, I'll post a link when it's done.

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[Peter Jones]

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Pete

[GoLfMan]

looks like an awesome track Pete :)

[Peter Jones]

There's a downhill section you can't see from this vantage point that's just crazy. The locals have dubbed it "Oh Sh*t". It's sort of a roller coaster descent.

I don't work my brakes this hard on the circuit normally, even in the wet I could smell the brakes when I was coming off.

Pete

[Peter Jones]

Video's up. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJ7EGwl0Igc

Soundtrack is just whatever Jodie was listening to in the car at the time :)

Pete

[Jarred]

Video's up. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJ7EGwl0Igc

Soundtrack is just whatever Jodie was listening to in the car at the time :)

Pete

i've put a spell on you cover by creedence clearwater revival! great song! john fogharty is great on voacals in this track. (first song atleast)

I have a feeling I have the same CD that Jodie was listening too!

looks like I'll have to get down there some day, looks like a great track, and a heap of fun!

[Peter Jones]

The results are finally up on the HSCCV site Word DOC LINK (http://www.holdenclub.com/2009/fvh_r5/HoldenFordOutrightSep272009.doc)

My best was a 78.17 which ranked me 12th in a field of 20.

Pete