B1 engine recommendations

[huss]

Hey guy, just wondering if any of you know any engines that could fit into the old 1975 passat TS, ive seen some nice ones on utube, 2.2L 16v, but no idea what there called or where you can get them from, anyone got any ideas of what to replace the original engine with? any ideas recommended :)

[zjm]

I've got an 1800 out of a seat Ibiza In mine and their cheap an it flys , pretty much bolt in just change sump and oil pump

[finemk1]

Does anybody know if the 16v goes in and what gearbox Is used? If it were easy I imagine there would be more 16v B1's floating around but can't find any info on here about the engine conversions and I know there dif to the golf. Except that yellow one on YouTube,

[sports racer]

16v goes in easy. It's because the 16v is rare in Oz that it isn't used much. It bolts up to the same gearbox that a 1.6 or 1.8 bolts up to but I don't know how much power the inline Passat gearbox can take.

[Peter Jones]

16v install into Passat is not an easy task.

It often involves changing the subframe to make it work. Custom engine mounts etc.

The 16v oil pump can't simply be swapped for a Passat one as the drive systems are different.

Exhaust manifold needs to be custom made.

Dual carbs might foul on the brake booster. They might also hit the bonnet, the B1 motor leans over more than in a golf.

All sorts of pain with 16v or 1.8T into the B1 chassis.

You'd really want to run a 5+5 gearbox or a B2 one to get a stronger box with 5 gears. That involves modifying the floor pan. Can't get those gearboxes in Aus anyway.

You'll have to go and have a custom clutch setup made too if you're making any power, there's not a lot of options for ugraded B1 clutches.

You need to swap the oil filter bracket over too or the clutch cable won't work.

The 1800 8v is the easiest option as all the accessories just bolt over.

Sump
oil pump
filter bracket
exhaust and inlet manifolds are a direct fit
top radiator hose will need figuring out
Bottom hose is the same

[sports racer]

Bugger, that's twice in one night I've been corrected. Didn't think of the pump or manifolds.

Glad you're around Pete to set things straight. :thumb:

[finemk1]

I thought there was more work involved with the east/west engine, as I have not seen under the passat yet, would a golf 1 front end (struts, arms, driveshafts,gearbox) be a feesable option? Custom manifolds still.
The 8v does sound a lot less hassle but once you own a 16v it's hard to go back to 8v haha

[Peter Jones]

I thought there was more work involved with the east/west engine, as I have not seen under the passat yet, would a golf 1 front end (struts, arms, driveshafts,gearbox) be a feesable option?

Nope, not even remotely possible. These cars were built by Audi and are completely different.

[Peter Jones]

I thought there was more work involved with the east/west engine, as I have not seen under the passat yet, would a golf 1 front end (struts, arms, driveshafts,gearbox) be a feesable option?

Nope, not even remotely possible. These cars were built by Audi and are completely different.

[finemk1]

So the 1800 is the ticket, trying to find the engine would be the next step, so would one start to look for one from the seat Ibiza (is this efi?) what year would we be searching for? Or the golf 2/3' ?

Also the option of air con would be a plus - hoses and condeser will be worked out later

[sports racer]

Wouldn't a 2.0 8v from a MK3 Golf be OK? It was a straight swap into my MK2 and I kept my 1.8 head and put it onto the 2.0 block.

[ExtremeGti]

I did a 1800 Short block from Jetta CLI. bored out to Fit 2.6 Caravelle Pistons ( Std 82.5mm ) ... Kept 1800 Crank and Rods..
made good power with a worked Carb head and Weber Carbs on golf

bolted straight on with no issues

[sports racer]

Interesting mod. What capacity do you end up with, 2.0?

[ExtremeGti]

Interesting mod. What capacity do you end up with, 2.0?

To get technical, Its gets you a 1897cc ( 1900 ) setup..
With a 2.0l Crank, takes it to 1997cc ( 2.0l ) setup...

got 127kw with 233nm torque out of it on my 4door SA 1800 sport golf ( later model golfs ).
My 2 Door GTi had similar setup, only i had it up to 2091CC (2.1l) stroker with Tdi crank(Balanced and knife-edged) Stock rods and 82.5mm Pistons. head was skimmed 1.5mm ( on its last ) to get me a 12.6:1 Compression... ended up with 137kw and 312nm torque on that little 8v..

[16v80]

B1 with a 20v turbo installed

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[finemk1]

That looks mint,

Found this "how to" forum post, pretty much tells all

VWVortex.com - ***VW Fox 16v swap FAQ*** (http://forums.vwvortex.com/showthread.php?4165819-***VW-Fox-16v-swap-FAQ***&)

Just gotta get the donor car with the engine, might be hard in oz but it's a start,

Though just thinking if the 9a 8v bolts up to the Passat gearbox I have fitted the KR 16v head to this block before, hmmm and I'm guessing those 20v - 16v Audi motor are non existent in oz.

[sports racer]

The 9a is a 16v engine so why would you put a KR head on it?