APR Demo Flash for my MKV gti

[Bing56]

I had the gti down to the guys at Euro Tune Miami (Gold Coast ) today for a 6 hr demo flash. OH BOY what a difference it makes to the car. Pulls like a train with the extra tourqe, would be deadly in the wet. Esp working overtime!!!. I believe it lifts the KW to just under 200. Glen at euro tune tells me the golfs for Australia are detuned to allow for our crap fuel. Not a problem for me as only use 98 octane. When they re-map the ecu they fix this along with a whole lot of other stuff. What ever they do it works great. smooths out everything. the power just keeps comming on from much lower in the rev range. Anyway will have to buy it now for sure, Highly recommend Glen and the boys at Euro Tune. Glens loves the things he works on and thats what you want. If anyone is thinking of getting an APR flash , go for It...................:D

[tofo17]

Sounds great Bing56, congrats!
A few questions:
Did you put it on the dyno before and after?
Do you have DSG and if so are there any effects (positive or negative)?
How much does it cost?

Enjoy!
Tom

[Guy_H]

Hey Bing56 - I think you were first cab off the ranks when Glenn got back from holidays - he likes his cars, too many BMW race cars parked out the back though j: Hope you enjoy the trial

There was a DSG GTI done in Sydney last year, dynoed each step of the way - stock, software, airbox & exhaust - it was done on an MDX dyno which seems pretty common in Sydney (not so in QLD).

http://forums.vwvortex.com/zerothread?id=2725549

Tofo17, if you need to dyno a DSG, apparently the secret is to click up to the gear you want, but hold the paddle (don't release) - this forces the DSG to hold that gear, without doing that, the gearbox will keep shifting & spoil your power run. Dontforget to turn the ESP off too!

[Eddy]

Hoyhoy.
Glen was the man who done my Polo back in OCT./06. His smile was bigger than mine because he knew what I was getting, & I didn't realise how good the APR was going to be.[nice chap]

[Bing56]

Hi Mate
No I hve not had it dyno'd. There seems to be plenty of evidence from others that have been done. Guy-H has a post with a link. Seems to match what the boys from APR claim. Glen from Euro tune told me that the ECU on my car was the most recent one so the flash down load didn't take long at all. My GTI is stock other than the flash demo done yesterday. The increase in throttle response is the most noticable affect. I now need to get back down there and
pay for a permanent reflash, around $1900.00 I believe. The demo is free. They are that confident that you will be back once the demo time runs out. Can't find anyone elso doing a reflash unit with that sort of deal. By the way my Gti is a manual. Hope to have the permanent reflash done in tim for the Feb drive day.

[tofo17]

Hey Bing56 - I think you were first cab off the ranks when Glenn got back from holidays - he likes his cars, too many BMW race cars parked out the back though j: Hope you enjoy the trial

There was a DSG GTI done in Sydney last year, dynoed each step of the way - stock, software, airbox & exhaust - it was done on an MDX dyno which seems pretty common in Sydney (not so in QLD).

http://forums.vwvortex.com/zerothread?id=2725549

Tofo17, if you need to dyno a DSG, apparently the secret is to click up to the gear you want, but hold the paddle (don't release) - this forces the DSG to hold that gear, without doing that, the gearbox will keep shifting & spoil your power run. Dontforget to turn the ESP off too!

Thanks for the advice, but what if you don't have paddles (Jetta)?

[Guy_H]

Good question on the Jetta, I assume you would hold the shift stick in the up position - never tried it though!

[Bing56]

I think dynos vary a lot anyway. The feeling in the seat of your pants when you drive the beastie is the best test. Call it, "grin factor". I was thinking of other upgrades however I dont think you could get the power to the ground. 4 wheel drives have it over us in that department, (rex's) for example. When you get moving it would be ok. A carbonio fresh air intake could be on the list, although have seen in other sites that the cost may not be worth it for the kw increase Depends how deep your pockets are !!!:cool:

[Lima]

I think dynos vary a lot anyway...

True, they can often raise more questions than they solve. That said, using the same dyno and a good operator can be a nice way of getting some sort of quantification over the mods completed.

Mind, I did before and afters when installing the CAI and exhaust on my MINI, but haven't bothered after fitting my 15% reduction pulley and ECU upgrade. :?

[Guy_H]

Talking about dyno's - the Sport compact car shootout on some heavily modified GTI's has just been published.

They had magazine editors, tuners, a rep from the dyno company present & they still had massive trouble with the DSG car on the dyno - ( you have to read the article - the sidebar called "dyno drama")

http://www.goapr.com.au/sportcompactcar0207.pdf

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[Bing56]

:) Interesting article. Confirms my research on APR. All they do is make performance bits for VW's, thats gotta be a good thing, right!!. If we ever go to the US would like to visit the facility at APR. Starting to sound like I should be getting a commission for all this flapping on;)

[Guy_H]

Hey - Visitors are welcome there - wait until their new facility is ready (The one with the test track!)

:cool:

[syncro]

When will your test track be finished Guy?

[Guy_H]

They hope late this year - early next year (builders always run on time don't they? :D )

They have some progress updates here:

http://www.goapr.com/VW/news/facility.html

[srbsta]

They hope late this year - early next year (builders always run on time don't they? :D )

They have some progress updates here:

http://www.goapr.com/VW/news/facility.html


wow nice........hope they finish the thing in time hahahaha

[Guy_H]

wow nice........hope they finish the thing in time hahahaha

Yeah - they have been tuning the new 997 turbo, so I hope the back straight is long enough :o

[itgwv]

Talking about dyno's - the Sport compact car shootout on some heavily modified GTI's has just been published.

They had magazine editors, tuners, a rep from the dyno company present & they still had massive trouble with the DSG car on the dyno - ( you have to read the article - the sidebar called "dyno drama")

http://www.goapr.com.au/sportcompactcar0207.pdf

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Just read the article, i have a DSG car and didn't have any issues on 2 different dyno's and had fairly constant 140atw. And had none of this changing up at higher rev's that was mentioned. Peak power is gone by redline anyways.:) Only thing is most dyno's are all over the place for accuracy which means car could go from 135 at one place to 170 at another.

[Dr Spine]

I'm getting a 6 hour APR trial flash done on my DSG GTI tomorrow. It will be very interesting to see if the results live up to all the hype............If it does I guess that you couldn't call it hype though could you.

We'll see.

Report to come tomorrow night.

[Bing56]

Oh boy... my 6 hr demo on my apr flash has finished , What a difference. I feel like I'm driving a non turbo again....very boring :( Cant wait till I can afford the full flash download. :D

[Dr Spine]

Oh boy... my 6 hr demo on my apr flash has finished , What a difference. I feel like I'm driving a non turbo again....very boring :( Cant wait till I can afford the full flash download. :D


So you reckon it makes that much of a difference? I sure hope so!

Do you drive the DSG or the Manual?

[gtimk5]

You will be surprised Dr!!!
Tell us you dont notice a huge improvement and I will be very shocked!!!
Enjoy it mate!!!! :D
Bet you will go the program asap afterwards!!!!j:
Andrew:)

[Bing56]

:cool: The most noticable difference is the throttle response. As you know it is fly by wire. The APR mod appears to bring it all on (turbo boost that is) much quicker and there is no need to use the full gas peddle. Mainly because your changing gears that fast up to 4th, By then you are already well above the speed limit anyway (130 - 140Kmh). and it doesent slow down in 4th either, it just keeps pulling until you get to the stage of the likelyhood of messing your undies:D . I had mine up to around 225k's on a quiet road, that shall remain unknown, in 5th gear, at that stage it was time to Slip it into 6th and wind down so I could start breathing again: By the way there was no one else on the straight road and I'm not recomending this behaviour. Bad form really:confused:
I would not recommend taking the old lady for this sort of thing either. After all we purchased the car for its fuel economy, right!!. Any way if you don't like i'll be very surprised

[itgwv]

You will be surprised Dr!!!
Tell us you dont notice a huge improvement and I will be very shocked!!!
Enjoy it mate!!!!
Bet you will go the program asap afterwards!!!!j:
Andrew:)

hehehe once you up the power theres no turning back hey.;) Turns them into a serious performance car with even better effortless performance and from my expierence when i want to be frugal better fuel economy. And not sure about the APR version but the QSZ one i haven't had a single issue in over a year.

Probably should give our cars the catch cry of 'unleash the fury!' :D

[Dr Spine]

OK OK.....so far I'm impressed. It was raining in Toowoomba yesterday and I haven't really had the chance to "give it some stick". I have noticed that acceleration is harder and lasts longer before it changes gears. When I've got it in tiptronic it pushes me back into the seat harder throughout each gear more than it did before. I assume that it's the increase in Newton Metres.

Soon I'll take it out on the highway and then we'll see some more. Hmmmmmm now where is the rearest isolated quiet road?????

[Lima]

...the QSZ one i haven't had a single issue in over a year.

When you say "QSZ one" is that Wetterauer or AmD or summat else???

[PeterH]

There's a device called Performance Box made in the UK. See http://www.performancebox.co.uk
It uses GPS positioning to give speed readout accurate to 0.2 Km/h, which I think is pretty clever.
It also claims to be able to record 0-60 and 0-100km/h times and peak acceleration, among other things.
Only thing is it costs £348.07 shipped to Aust, which is about $860.
There is also an Australian distributor (Racer industries, Southport, Qld), wonder what they charge...
Magazines apparently use this to get a reliable, repeatable indication of performance between cars.

[itgwv]

When you say "QSZ one" is that Wetterauer or AmD or summat else???

The AmD reflash.:D

[Lima]

Thanks ... how do you like it? Any info on the AmD reflash would be most appreciated.

Thanks Liam

[itgwv]

To be honest the car feels as good as it did stock with smoothness and cruising but when you press more than a quarter on the accellerator the huge amount of torque just shoves you into the seat effortlessly. Feels like the way the car should come from the factory.

Power wise is somewhere between 185 to 200 and about 380Nm depending on if you have exhaust also done, have left the stock air box so as not to upset the cars electronics. I use to have a WRX and feels as quick if not a little quicker and as a package i have no problems keeping up on a mountain run if not dissapearing up the road.

On side note the Mrs also has a Mini Cooper S.:cool: Also a quick little bugger.:D

[Lima]

Haha, jinx! j:

[Subie25L]

To be honest the car feels as good as it did stock with smoothness and cruising but when you press more than a quarter on the accellerator the huge amount of torque just shoves you into the seat effortlessly. Feels like the way the car should come from the factory.

Power wise is somewhere between 185 to 200 and about 380Nm depending on if you have exhaust also done, have left the stock air box so as not to upset the cars electronics. I use to have a WRX and feels as quick if not a little quicker and as a package i have no problems keeping up on a mountain run if not dissapearing up the road.

On side note the Mrs also has a Mini Cooper S.:cool: Also a quick little bugger.:D

WHat it is like in the wet though? Also is there alot of torque steer ?

The GTI doesn't need any more power down low as it can light the tyres in the wet or dry. Top end is where it is needed IMO.

[itgwv]

Strangely there is barely any torque steer, partly i'd say due to traction control kicking in and also from not having a LSD. Never had a fight with the steering wheel so far.:D In the wet is really up to your right foot, if your nice to it not really any different to standard. If your not or turn off ESP you can spin in 4th still. :cool:

And i wouldn't worry too much about top end as there's power everywhere all the way through. Just huge surges of the stuff and with the DSG i've been caught a few times changing up just at the same time the car does cos it gets to redline so much faster. And it still pulls hard even though its one gear higher than optimum.

[Bing56]

He He !!! knew you would like it. are you going to get the full version?. Still waiting to get mine $$$ and all!!.