Thread that combines all my car threads

[mk3pete]

i thought id start a late build thread on my car
previously iv just started new threads for when ever i do something new, its getting annoying hehe
heres just some photos from start to now

http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2009/07/petesyo093-1.jpg
http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2008/03/mycar003-1.jpg
http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2009/07/003-3.jpg
http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2008/04/myvr6004-1.jpg
http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2008/04/myvr6019-1.jpg
http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2008/11/223-1.jpg
http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2009/07/myvr6014-1.jpg
http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2009/02/phone055-1.jpg
http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2009/02/phone057-1.jpg
http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2009/02/phone061-1.jpg

[vr6guy]

Love it! Very nicely done. Mods are subtle but effect, done anything to the exhaust?

[V®6]

Looking good Pete. We've got the same headlights by the looks of it.

[mk3pete]

http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2009/02/phone063-1.jpg
http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2009/02/2009090-1.jpg
http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2009/03/serrentocruise002-1.jpg
http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2009/03/serrentocruise003-1.jpg
http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2009/02/phone066-1.jpg
http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2009/07/phone2015-1.jpg
http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2009/07/phone2002-1.jpg
http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2009/03/phone2019-1.jpg

thats it for now will be posting up new pics soon as il be doing the msd coil packs iv got the coils but im waiting on some things from fourseasonstuning:)

[mk3pete]

heres a pic i took coming back from the sydney nationals
http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2009/07/aaa09135-1.jpg
also soon to come:biggrin:
FST 228MM STAGE 3 CLUTCH KIT W/ AST 10 POUND FLYWHEEL ( FITS ALL VW 12V VR6)
> / Includes 228MM Clutchnet Red 2X Pressure Plate,
> Item # 11533CR179.47787R5.SBVR6 $604.95
> PELOQUIN 02A LIMITED SLIP DIFFERENTIAL / Differential housings are made from
> either 4320 or 8620 steel.FITS 02A VW TRANSMISSIO
> Item # 02A498005A $775.00
> PERFORMANCE IGNITION WIRE SET W/TOOL (8MM) MK3 MK4 12V VR6 FOR USE WITH MSD
> COIL / FITS ALL VR6 12V CORRADO PASSAT MK3 MK4 GOLF
> Item # 56-1148-8MMGM.RED.WTOOL $120.00
> MSD Coil Pack Bracket / Please note : some slight trimming of the plastic
> engine cover may be required to mount the MSD coils o
> Item # gruven500 $74.00
> EURO FRONT LIP MK3 / FITS 93-99.5 GOLF JETTA MK3/MKIII INCLUDES RIGHT AND
> LEFT SIDE.
> Item # MK3EUROLIP $72.00
> VR6 Billet CrakPipe (FITS ALL VW 12V VR6)

[GoLfMan]

woot!
love what your doing Pete, keep it coming :D

[Jondarren]

Looking real good. Nice and simple, yet effective mods there.

What coilovers are you rolling on? Also, where did you get the exhaust and how $$$?

Cheers

J

[mk3pete]

thanks guys
are yours the inpro lights VR6 sorry didnt know how to do the little r bit lol

http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2009/07/002-3.jpg
compliments of tim
http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2009/07/001-3.jpg

[vr6guy]

Remus muffler and tips I'm guessing by the look of it!

How do the ignition thingys help?

[V®6]

thanks guys
are yours the inpro lights VR6 sorry didnt know how to do the little r bit lol


To be honest I have no idea, the previous owner had installed them lol. It's ok that R is a pain in the neck most of the time anyway lol.

[mk3pete]

Looking real good. Nice and simple, yet effective mods there.

What coilovers are you rolling on? Also, where did you get the exhaust and how $$$?

Cheers

J

my coils are just the hottuning ones
and i got my exhaust from carshine in tullamarine
put it this way i paid tooo much :duh:

[mk3pete]

Remus muffler and tips I'm guessing by the look of it!

How do the ignition thingys help?

iv read up on them http://forums.vwvortex.com/zerothread?id=3057180&page=1
smooths the idle
better fuel economy
better throttle response etc

[Mrk_Mickey]

Very nice mate :).

[MattyT]

Wowsers, go son!!!!

I'd like to see pix of the remus system when its in :)

[Golf Houso]

Hey mate, what did you use for the replacement on that oil catch on the breather pipe from the crankcase vapour? I can see something yellow though :)

[mk3pete]

the exhaust is in i just havent got a photo will post up soon though

its just a catch can from super cheap
connected with a fire hose lol
i couldnt find anything else at home, i do need to fix this hehe

[mk3pete]

i did some modifying to my catchcan after reading on from this link
http://forums.vwvortex.com/zerothread?id=1940008
http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2009/08/0012-1.jpg
heres my abomination i slapped together at home from lots of different things
i bought the can from supercheap
http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2009/08/0031-1.jpg
gunk left inside after emptying it
http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2009/08/0041-1.jpg
nice and clean
http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2009/08/006-1.jpg
here is the top, it already had 3/8 bspt (tapered thread)threads
although i had to tap it out more with a 3/8 bsp (parallel thread)tap so i could screw a double ended fitting through it
purpose of this was so i didnt have to weld anything
http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2009/08/008-1.jpg
this is the top finished, i joined the hose to the top i screwed in using standard pneumatic fittings
thus extending the inlet to the bottom of the can
for the breather i used an exhaust silencer commonly found on pneumatic machinery
http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2009/08/007-1.jpg
the can with the stainless steel wool inside acting as a filter
http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2009/08/011-1.jpg
finished
http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2009/08/012-1.jpg
http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2009/08/013-1.jpg
in the car hiding next to the intake
i used 3/4 inch steam hose its the only stuff i could find that fitted the hose barb on the car

[Mrk_Mickey]

Forgive me for the n00bity of this question, but which oil catch did you replace?

[mk3pete]

i didnt replace it i modified it the first pic you see is the one i put in about a year ago when my pcv valve broke i didnt post anything about it back then

[peedman]

nice work but im not sure u would really want to put steel wool in there. i know it might be a long shot but you wouldnt want any fibres to be sucked into the motor if u know what i mean. its also gonna lower the capacity to store oil so u have to change it more often. just a thought.

[mk3pete]

i cant say that it would ever enter the engine it wouldn't be possible
the reason iv done it so it lowers the fumes,
before it didn't smell too good
i hardly ever emptied it anyway i think it took 3 months and it only filled about a quarter:)

[rayray086]

I like that idea of extending the screw thread so you can put on a hose fitting on the inside. As for the steel wool, I hear a lot of people do that to act as an oil/air separator, i.e. trapping as much oil vapour as possible. Didn't think about stray metal being sucked up though - there is a chance seeing as the airflow is moving from the catch can towards the intake. Maybe a small baffle (like the ones you see in the more expensive oil funnels you can buy) could be used to fit over the hose that leads to the intake?

[mk3pete]

i cant see how the air flows from the catch can to the intake isnt it opposite
i mean the waste comes from the rocker cover into the catch can :confused:

[rayray086]

Yeah that's correct, but what comes in must come out too right? It might be a very slim chance that any piece of metal would get sucked up since the output hose travels from the catch can back to the intake.

Another way to think about it is that the pressure from the crankcase/rocker cover is usually higher than inside the intake tube. We know that anything from a high pressure/density will want to move to a place of lower density, and that's where we get the air/oil flow from the engine to the intake (with the catch can in between).

Wait, is your output from the catch can routed back to the intake or just filtered out into the atmosphere?

[mk3pete]

its just filtered to the atmosphere hence the reason why i put the ss wool in plus the exhaust silencer filter :)

[rayray086]

Ahh fair enough then! Solves that issue!

[mk3pete]

indeed i thought there might be some sort of vacuum affect something oh well.

[mk3pete]

i washed my car today thought id take some pics
they aren't the best but hey its from my phone
http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2009/08/00131-1.jpg
http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2009/08/00611-1.jpg
http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2009/08/00321-1.jpg
http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2009/08/0071-1.jpg
http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2009/08/009-1.jpg
http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2009/08/010-1.jpg
http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2009/08/014-1.jpg
http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2009/08/015-1.jpg

[MattyT]

Lookin good!

[NickM91]

Really nice looking vr6 mate!

[AusScare]

Nice wheels n brakes mate, all the lights look pretty cool too.

[bboyskidz]

yeh i like those foggies. I'm sick of mine, all blacked up and shi.tty so I'm gonna get some off ebay.

[mk3pete]

a few before and after pics
http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2009/08/188-1.jpg
http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2009/08/189-1.jpg
http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2009/08/1901-1.jpg
http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2009/08/191-1.jpg
http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2009/08/192-1.jpg
http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2009/08/193-1.jpg
i got the mk4 r32 shifter and hand brake from tm tuning
had to gradually trim the plastik until the base of the shifter could clip in

[MattyT]

Looks good!!

[rayray086]

Neat as, especially the handbrake!

[VOLKSMAN]

hey pete just going through some pictures taken at the show and here are some from your ride. pics arent the best, enjoy

http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2009/08/pete7-1.jpg

http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2009/08/pete3edited-1.jpg

http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2009/08/peteedited6-1.jpg

http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2009/08/peteedited1-1.jpg

http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2009/08/peteeditef4-1.jpg

[V®6]

Neat as, especially the handbrake!

Exactly what I was thinking, might have to do the same to my handbrake as it looks exactly like pete's before shot at the moment

[mk3pete]

thanks for the replys guys i paid 300 for both definatly well worth it
wouldnt mind betting these sort of fixes will boost the resale value.... not that im ever thinking of selling hehe

nice pics volksman there not too bad i ended up winning second in mk3modified i wasnt expecting anything to be honest:bowdown:

[schoona]

I can't remember who, but who claimed the gold medal pete?

Congrats on that achievement though!

[mk3pete]

waterboy was crowned king of the sydney nationals his cl is in pretty good nic:bowdown:

[VR6child]

So where did you get those schmidts? I think I might have asked this already but I'm pretty sure theyre called 'space' or something. I haven't noticed anywhere that sells those wheels in Aus. They make some good designs like the three piece modernlines.

[MattyT]

Sik brakes, **** tires j:

[mk3pete]

i bought the wheels second hand off a guy in sydney forgot his username
hey have you ever driven with those tires i think not!!!!:fist:
there actually quite good for the price i bought them for 165 each as opposed
to 250 each
maxxis are well known to provide quality with value;-) iv heard that from a few people now

[Water Boy]

waterboy was crowned king of the sydney nationals his cl is in pretty good nic:bowdown:

Yes best modified Mk3 in Australian thankyou... :banana:

Ok it was not the best judging and my car has mint paint...

[mk3pete]

Yes best modified Mk3 in Australian thankyou... :banana:

Ok it was not the best judging and my car has mint paint...

hmmmmm notice the small print............:rolleyes:

[mk3pete]

as you may or may not know i will soon be getting the following work done

gearbox rebuild..... ring and pinion set (shorter final drive), peloquin diff
also longer fifth gear for highway driving

stage2 sachs clutch kit along with DIY lightened flywheel

im wondering how this will go with forced induction not that i will be soon but maybe down the track?

[Mrk_Mickey]

It will go good. /discussion. Hahaha :nana:

[mk3pete]

hehe nah what i meant was, would it be stupid to do ie.. too much wheel spin.........
i dont really know

[mk3pete]

whooooo:banana::banana:
http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2009/08/01011-2.jpg
http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2009/08/0121-2.jpg
http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2009/08/0131-2.jpg
http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2009/08/0141-3.jpg
http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2009/08/0151-2.jpg
just have to get them installed:rolleyes:
THANKS TIM:google:

[Mrk_Mickey]

Yummo dude! Jealous.

[mk3pete]

bit of an update....

i got me msds on, just rough for now, to test for the week
will post pics soon

[KI11Z]

dont get the shorter final drive if you plan on going fi?! you'll want the long gears . . .

[mk3pete]

why for alex..?

[Tim]

depends on how much power youre going to make really. Stock vr6 gearing is too tall for the standard power output and the car takes ages to wind up. Big HP cars can overcome the tall gearing whereas with shorter gearing it will be a wheelspin fest.

But yeah.. How much power are you chasing

[mk3pete]

to be honest i dont really have a goal
im just slowly workin it.... hehe:cool:

[mk3pete]

ok here are some pics for now sorry bout the bad quality

http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2009/08/0023-2.jpg
pic of coilpack with the grounding washer on due to grounding issues they need to be removed only as a precorsionary

http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2009/08/0013-2.jpg
heres me milling them out

http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2009/08/0042-2.jpg
washer removed

http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2009/08/0032-2.jpg
i made some nylon washers in the lathe just in case any more metal could of made contact

http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2009/08/005-2.jpg
only needed three nylon washers as there is only one side of the coil with the grounding washer

http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2009/08/0061-2.jpg
pic of the icm with the tabs folded over so they dont point out
and so they dont get damaged

http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2009/08/0072-2.jpg
finished wiring

http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2009/08/0081-2.jpg
also used hot melt inbetween the tabs to further prevent any grounding issues

more pics tomorrow on the car

[mk3pete]

a few pics roughed in for now
http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2009/09/0014-2.jpg
http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2009/09/0024-2.jpg
http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2009/09/0033-2.jpg
msd leads are slightly thicker than the oem so i had to nip the tabs off
i just used a sharp blade

[V®6]

That looks awesome Pete, well done.

Wish I had the cash and expertise to attempt it myself. Knowing my luck i'd do it and the coil packs would blow up

[MattyT]

If i tried all that i'd set fire to my car!! Well done pete!

[Mrk_Mickey]

That's quite an extensive approach to what I thought wouldn't have taken so much work. Hat goes off to you dude, you've done a very good job and I would bet money that it will run perfectly because of your methods!

[MattyT]

Just a thought, but it might be an idea to put some heatshrink on the metal spades too?

[KI11Z]

So did you use a resistor like some people suggested overseas? From all the research I did there didn't seem to be a definitive answer as to whether or not use one...

[mk3pete]

thanks for the replies guys its really not too complicated when you think about it
i just went to extra lengths to make sure nothing goes wrong

from what i have gathered the only reason you need a resister is to protect the coils from earthing to the car
the coils on a normal car switches on via the positive terminals
on vws they switch via the negative
if they are earthed to the car that means they are constantly on
so they will just overheat and blow up
i didnt end up using one because my icm was good
for those who would like to know if you decide to use one you need a 1ohms resister rated at 225 watts

the reason why people have trouble with blown coils is they have a bad icm
(ignition control module)
basically whether or not earth is leaking through to the contact points on the icm (each coil 16 34 25)

the only way to tell if your icm is good is to use a multi meter that can read in solid state

my mates an electrician so he tested it for me

heres my finished job

http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2009/09/0101-2.jpg
http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2009/09/0091-2.jpg

and my old coil pack

http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2009/09/0062-2.jpg
http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2009/09/0073-2.jpg
http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2009/09/0082-2.jpg

[mk3pete]

Just a thought, but it might be an idea to put some heatshrink on the metal spades too?

yep just need to get some it was on my to do list:rolleyes:

[mk3pete]

so far no worries yet guys
my car actually has some balls now:banana:
anyway highly recommended upgrade especially if you need to replace the standard one:google:

[GoLfMan]

nice job there Pete :)

[MattyT]

I dont really see how ignition upgrades on a stock engine are going to produce any more power??

Still, it this IS comparing it to our dreaded coilpacks. And good to hear that its running well for ya!

[mk3pete]

I dont really see how ignition upgrades on a stock engine are going to produce any more power??

Still, it this IS comparing it to our dreaded coilpacks. And good to hear that its running well for ya!

nah this wont give you more power
i was just saying my power is restored because my old coilpack was stuffed

[MattyT]

Ahhh i see :)

[Mrk_Mickey]

Sorry if I've missed it, but how much did it cost in the end?

[mk3pete]

Sorry if I've missed it, but how much did it cost in the end?

hmmmm good question let me see
100 for each coil i bought them locally
160 for leads shipped to my door
130 for bracket shipped to my door
i could have made one but i couldnt be bothered

[Mrk_Mickey]

Mmm, see that's not too bad for the setup! I considered doing it because my coilpack is brand new hehe.

[mk3pete]

yay these arrived today

.72 5th Gear for 02A/02J Transmissions


http://www.autotech.com/images/products/gear_72fifth.jpg
For the 02A/02J gearboxes found in G60, Mk3 VR6 and all Mk4 models, we offer a tall 0.72 ratio gear pair. Again, these are Factory gears, assuring high quality. The stock fifth gear ratio in a VR6 or G60 is usually 0.84, so this taller pair drops a healthy 14% off your rpm for the same speed. Comes with two new Factory gears

[MattyT]

Now thats a peice of gear I'd be real keen on seeing how it works out for you. I've always thought the vr6 revved too high at fwy speeds.

[Mrk_Mickey]

Sorry for the no0bity of this question, but I have to ask cos otherwise I don't learn!

If the gear ratio (0.84, 0.72) is LOWER, it will go to higher speeds at the same rpm? Ie, 0.84 gear at 100km/h is 2,800, but 0.72 is like 2,500?

[mk3pete]

Sorry for the no0bity of this question, but I have to ask cos otherwise I don't learn!

If the gear ratio (0.84, 0.72) is LOWER, it will go to higher speeds at the same rpm? Ie, 0.84 gear at 100km/h is 2,800, but 0.72 is like 2,500?

well yes it would but i cant see how id ever use that for higher speeds
im doing it to counter act my 3.94 ring and pinion set so it doesnt rev so high in fifth:smile:

[mk3pete]

i stupidly drove strait over the middle of one of the these last week
it made a large noise:brutal:
http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2009/09/SpeedBump1-1.jpg
the damage!!!!!!!!!!!!! it broke the studs right off
http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2009/09/0015-2.jpg

i fixed it after dodgely welding on just temporary until i get it on a hoist
http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2009/09/0025-1.jpg

[MattyT]

Pardon my ignorance but what was that stud thing for in the first place?

[peedman]

Looks like one of the middle exhaust braces. I wouldnt worry about that too much since its the rubbers that hold the exhaust up, they are only there if ur rubbers fail and the exhaust droops too much.

[mk3pete]

(iv posted this in this thread http://www.vwwatercooled.org.au/newforum/upload/showthread.php?t=34315 but duo to topic change il just continue here)

now im just thinking out loud here bare with me

"i wouldnt get the short runner inless you get big cams like 288s and a 3.94 r&p to make up for the bottom end loss"

after reading that i got excited:rolleyes:

now me being noob about all this performance stuff
some one correct me if my logic seems stupid or wrong
due to having installed my 3.94 r&p this gives me bottom end power (acceleration off the line)
now if i do get this short runner this gives me top end power does it not?

for me to achieve mid range power im thinking of getting a cam

now what sort of cam is a good question?
one might ask someone who hopefully knows what there talking about
a lot of people on vortex have tried these cams drc268s http://www.drcamshafts.com/
and apparently are just as good as the schrick 268s
heres a link for info
http://forums.vwvortex.com/zerothread?id=2877466

[VOLKSMAN]

pete, correct me if i am wrong but cams with longer duration be it with a short mani or not need high rpm to give full potential of what these cams have to offer 5000+rpm, now considering you have a 3.94 r&p means you dont have the stock tall gearing to make total use of these cams like 288's.

therefore using a 3.94 r&p with high duration cams would mean you would be shifting at the beginning or midway through powerband and obtainable potential of 288's would not do as much as a 264 cam with your r&p.


just food for thought.:confused:

[jayjay]

high duration cams dont necessarily correlate with high top end power. nor does having a higher final driver equate to having better acceleration.

with your tdi 5th you'll be able to cruise at sane RPMs but the difference between 4th and 5th will be maaasssivve.

if you plan on going FI or big power, you should keep old ring and pinion because you'll want the taller gears to wind out. (as tim said!)

to make total use of the 288s.... you'll need a lot more than better gear ratios..

[mk3pete]

pete, correct me if i am wrong but cams with longer duration be it with a short mani or not need high rpm to give full potential of what these cams have to offer 5000+rpm, now considering you have a 3.94 r&p means you dont have the stock tall gearing to make total use of these cams like 288's.

therefore using a 3.94 r&p with high duration cams would mean you would be shifting at the beginning or midway through powerband and obtainable potential of 288's would not do as much as a 264 cam with your r&p.


just food for thought.:confused:

sorry mate i might of been a bit confusing there, i got a bit of ahead of myself when i said that:rolleyes:

i was thinking 262 autotech cams but iv realized there a bit low for what i would need
like you said i would probably need something like that 264, or DRC 268s which are pretty much schrick 268 copies but only half the cost:banana:

[mk3pete]

high duration cams dont necessarily correlate with high top end power. nor does having a higher final driver equate to having better acceleration.

with your tdi 5th you'll be able to cruise at sane RPMs but the difference between 4th and 5th will be maaasssivve.

if you plan on going FI or big power, you should keep old ring and pinion because you'll want the taller gears to wind out. (as tim said!)

to make total use of the 288s.... you'll need a lot more than better gear ratios..

iv decided against fi for now its not worth putting the extra stress on a tired 200 thousand k motor
how does my shorter final drive not equate to better acceleration?:confused:

[jayjay]

i just think it effectively means more shifting in the process of accelerating... i find that i'm no human-dsg and 020s and 02as don't have the quickest rifle bolt action shift either.

Doesn't a final drive effectively equate to a closer ratio gearbox? ( i'm not trying to question your choice or anything, i'm just getting my head around :) )

[VOLKSMAN]

high duration cams dont necessarily correlate with high top end power. nor does having a higher final driver equate to having better acceleration.

with your tdi 5th you'll be able to cruise at sane RPMs but the difference between 4th and 5th will be maaasssivve.

if you plan on going FI or big power, you should keep old ring and pinion because you'll want the taller gears to wind out. (as tim said!)

to make total use of the 288s.a... you'll need a lot more than better gear ratios..

now having a higher duration like a 288 cam makes peak power at much higher rpm than say a 264.pretty much you will have minimal torque before the engine rpm is high enough to maximise lift.this is why 288 are for race and 264 are for street applications. i hear this in numerous NA builds and it sounds pretty much common sense.

as for gearing 3,94 does create better acceleration compared to stock gearing besides head work done however you are sacificing top speed in that gear for acceleration another reason "i think were are pretty much saying the same thing":confused:

as for 288 application major head would need to be done to increase cfm (air flow) to see get the best out of these cams.

[mk3pete]

(quoted by preen59):google:
Ring and pinion affects the final drive, so all gears are affected. The ratio between them remains the same.

In this case, "shortened". So the maximum speed in every gear is reduced, but acceleration is improved by the increased ratio. Think of it as using a lower gear on the crank (front sprocket) of your pushbike..

[VOLKSMAN]

pete have you tested each gear for top speed (legally), interested in knowing how much speed is lost?

also i highly advise you to reconditon your cylinder head before you install cams saves time and money.
i know headworld can do a service and match port for around $1000.

[mk3pete]

nah mate i havent got the box built yet
il be getting this work done all at the same time
lets see here
recoed box- 3.94 r&p, taller fifth gear, peloquin diff
timing chains
sachs clutch
mk4 head gasket
cams once iv decided what to get
chip to suit cams
maybe the schimmel intake not sure on that one yet
fuel pump
r32 sump with pick up (my sump has had it may as well upgrade)
thats it i think:banana:

thats a good idea but all depends on condition of the head plus the budget
also id prefer to keep the work to the one shop, volkwerke are pretty good so il see how i go

[VOLKSMAN]

great list.

but i dont know why are you choosing an r32 sump when the 12v is steel rather aluminium (weak), plus you will have to increase your oil fill-ups by half a litre which i find irritating when you cant find 5.5L + Bottles. and you will have modify the sump to fit from what i remember there is an extra bolt up on the Bell-housing side

[mk3pete]

mk5 sumps give an extra half inch clearance plus they have baffles
sits above subframe
not sure about the extra bolt, i know i have to drill a hole in the baffle to allow the dip stick in

[mk3pete]

got my tints done today whooo:banana:
pics after DOVW

[mk3pete]

well my cars finally in the shop
ported and polished big valve head
eurospec 268s
hd springs with l/w lifters
+2 intake
+1.8 exhaust
new valve guides and seals
http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2010/02/0074-2.jpg
http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2010/02/0102-2.jpg
http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2010/02/017-2.jpg
http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2010/02/020-2.jpg
http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2010/02/021-2.jpg

the gear box is in bits for now
it will be a full rebuild
new bearings and 2nd gear synchro
3.94
peloquin LSD
tdi 5th gear
sachs stage 2 clutch
lightened flywheel 13 pound
http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2010/02/023-2.jpg
http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2009/08/0131-1.jpg
http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2009/08/0141-2.jpg
http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2009/07/002-3.jpg

[Tim]

You have to take me for a run in this when she is all done Pete!
You got the balls to do what I was planning for years

[Shteifen]

hey yeah your head has the same marks/depressions between the coolant galleries as mine does. i called Rob about it, he said he didnt worry about welding it up and resurfacing it cos its between the pressure lines on the head gasket.
yay for engine work!

-steve

[mk3pete]

fly wheels almost before i started machining it
http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2010/02/0122-2.jpg
after
http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2010/02/0142-2.jpg
balanced
http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2010/02/0043-2.jpg
odb2 intake mani gasket matched
had to get it modified to suit obd1
http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2010/02/0063-2.jpg
larger throttle body to suit mani
also have to wire it to suit old managment
http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2010/02/037-2.jpg
http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2010/02/040-2.jpg
old one
http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2010/02/038-2.jpg
other random goodies that will be replaced
http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2010/02/027-2.jpg
water pump
thermostat and housing
oil pan
filter housing
coolant expansion
crack pipe

[Mrk_Mickey]

Nice dude, nice. Keep it up!

[rayray086]

:thumb: Was good to catch up with you again at SEDF Pete. Can't wait to see this done and rolling!

[GoLfMan]

wohoo!!! cant wait to see this thing done matey :)

[mk3pete]

cheers guys
tim...... 3 words for you JUST DO IT!!!!!:P

[MK2 GTI]

Thought i'd refresh this post for Pete, The car should finally be up and running this weekend!

[mk3pete]

well the car is finally done its an absolute monster:devilfire:
we had a few small hiccups getting the timing right, due to the mk4 hg and the bigger cams it was impossible to get the slots in the cams exactly horizontal
sorry the pics i took were useless as the size on my phone was set to really small:emo_baghead:
http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2010/04/057-2.jpg
http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2010/04/0581-2.jpg
http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2010/04/0591-2.jpg
http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2010/04/0601-2.jpg
still have some problems with the tb, its idleing a bit high
and adapting the isv, il have to make some custom pipes for it to sit properly
at the moment iv got it attached by a dodgy hose
il have to source an obd2 throttle cable bracket for that to sit properly too
and an obd2 intake boot
BIG thanks for chris davies for working all friday and saturday night to get it up and running:bowdown:

[Tim]

nice!
Ive been driving my VR6 quite a lot recently and loving it. How did the gearing work out for you? When im winding out 2nd gear I always thinking if only it was a bit shorter so I could get into the torque band earlier from a dig.

[mk3pete]

cheers tim thanks for all the help in sourcing the parts for me by the way, very helpful:)
the gearing is awesome it really suits the vr perfectly
as some people might think its too short its really not, its definitely well worth the expense

[mk3pete]

just got GIAC,ed today woohoo:banana: wat a difference.

[Big Yellow]

just got GIAC,ed today woohoo:banana: wat a difference.
Glad ur likin it mate!! It was nice to meet u too!

[mk3pete]

you too man but unfortunatly my car wont start now
it ran fine driving home and to work
then i went to go out for lunch and it wont start it just keeps turning over????

[Mrk_Mickey]

you too man but unfortunatly my car wont start now
it ran fine driving home and to work
then i went to go out for lunch and it wont start it just keeps turning over????

got fuel in there bro? :P chipping cars makes them drink more! hehehe

[mk3pete]

most definatly man half full:)

[Tim]

does it scan ok with vcds?
Make sure battery terminals are nice and tight if you removed them to reinstall the ECU. Could be an immobiliser problem?

[mk3pete]

i actually just bought my own vagcom so yes i tried, but it comes up with comms error
iv spoken to lucas from giac, he said its the ecu so il have to take it back to him

[rayray086]

We need pics of the car Pete!

[schoona]

We need vids of the car Pete!

Fixed Raymond!

[mk3pete]

haha guys its really not worth it yet, after i fix all the problems and get my wheels on then you will c :)

[GoLfMan]

woot Pete, I'm looking forward to seeing this!

[mk3pete]

well after an exhaustive amount of fault finding and testing and then some more fault finding iv finally got my tb working
my car now runs the way it should be yay
pics for teasing after i get my wheels i post some real pics
http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2010/05/0016-1.jpg

http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2010/05/0026-1.jpg
can ya guess what this is for!!!

[DubSteve]

This is just like a abd big bore instead of paying $300 fr this thing its only cost you like 100 bucks :)

[mk3pete]

nothing really, work paid for it haha:cool:

[mk3pete]

http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2010/06/041-2.jpg
new pic more soon:)

[Stephy]

Ohhhhh sparkly!

[Mrk_Mickey]

wish mine was that clean! my engine bay needs a massive tidy up!

[mk3pete]

a bit of an update, been busy with a spare exhaust manifold and downpipe i bought off loon
i was inspired from this link
VWVortex.com - DIY: VR6 Exhaust Manifold and Downpipe Porting (Pic Intensive) (http://forums.vwvortex.com/showthread.php?3603731)
dont have pics from my exhaust mani before but you can see the difference in the link
http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2010/07/0017-2.jpg
downpipe cat end before
http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2010/07/P1030318-2.jpg
down pipe cat end after
http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2010/07/0075-2.jpg
back welded
http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2010/07/0051-4.jpg
http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2010/07/0034-2.jpg
manifold end before
http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2010/07/0064-3.jpg
back welded
http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2010/07/P1030316-2.jpg
manifold end after
bit rough but good enough for me:)

[mk3pete]

all after shots of my manifolds 6 hours of intensive die grinding!!!!
http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2010/07/P1030315-2.jpg
http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2010/07/P1030314-2.jpg
http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2010/07/P1030311-2.jpg
http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2010/07/P1030310-2.jpg
http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2010/07/P1030308-2.jpg
http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2010/07/P1030307-2.jpg

[Mrk_Mickey]

Forgive me for the n00bness, but what exactly did you do to the cat pipe? I'm assuming porting but yeah haha....nice job doing ti yourself though! I'd love to get into it :D

[mk3pete]

Forgive me for the n00bness, but what exactly did you do to the cat pipe? I'm assuming porting but yeah haha....nice job doing ti yourself though! I'd love to get into it :D
nothing just the cat end of the downpipe.

[DubSteve]

Nice work Pete, but any improvement?

[mk3pete]

Nice work Pete, but any improvement?
well see from the butt dyno once i put them on!!!
only finished them the other day
im predicting that il be losing some bottom end but gaining alot up top, which is what im lacking in:)

[DubSteve]

well see from the butt dyno once i put them on!!!
only finished them the other day
im predicting that il be losing some bottom end but gaining alot up top, which is what im lacking in:)


Yeah cool, but your cams with the GIAC tune is what you should be getting top end :)

[mk3pete]

i have heaps of acceleration from the 3.94 r and p and my 268 cam profile is good for mid range but top end is a bit flat
opening up the exhaust i think will give me more flow at higher revs, hopefully should work out ok
just hope i havent taken too much off.

[V666]

awesome bit of work there, looks like the 6 hours was worth it!!!

[mk3pete]

awesome bit of work there, looks like the 6 hours was worth it!!!
cheers man should find out by the wk end

[V666]

give us a shout over the weekend Ill come over and see it. Might need your help soon to get this engine out!!

[mk3pete]

no worries i have tools!!
im moving out this wk end though, goin to the misses parents house to save more money:)

[mk3pete]

i got bored at work so i decided i would delete my MAF housing
http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2010/07/0035-1.jpg
http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2010/07/0028-1.jpg

[Mrk_Mickey]

You can do that?

I'm so doing that...Pete, can you make me one? :D

[DubSteve]

Good stuff Pete, I am looking at doing that for my mk3.

[mk3pete]

now that my maf is further away from the throttle body it seems to run a bit richer and has a lower idle
anyone care to explain why???

[Mrk_Mickey]

Pete it looks like the maf sits further out of the centre of the pipe than it should (reading air flow, hence best to put it directly in line?)...that could explain things maybe?

[mk3pete]

Pete it looks like the maf sits further out of the centre of the pipe than it should (reading air flow, hence best to put it directly in line?)...that could explain things maybe?
thanks dude but its definatly centered or the same as i measured everything to match up :)
its not really a problem its actually gives me a bit more punch just wondering why technically?
if anyone has any knowledge on how a MAF works chime in.

[jayjay]

a mass airflow meter works by heating up a thin metallic wire to quite a high temperature. The difference in voltage potential across the wire is measured as a rate of change as the air flowing through the inlet is used to determine what mass of air is passing through the cross sectional area.

basically. wire gets hot. air going in cools it down. as the hot wire gets colder, the voltage of the sensor changes --> change in mass of air.

The grid and shape are really all quite important for the maf to work within factory parameters

[mk3pete]

cheers jayjay very educational, you learn something new every day:)
factory parameters.... hmmm i dont think my car is anywhere near that anymore haha:P

[Water Boy]

Winner of best modified Mk3.

http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2010/11/IMG_9019-2.jpg

http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2010/11/IMG_8896-2.jpg

[mk3pete]

James your a legend:bowdown:

[Big Yellow]

congrats pete!! worthy winner!!

[Tim]

the car was looking seriously tough Pete :D
Good work!

[Water Boy]

James your a legend:bowdown:

Dude im just as stoked as you are... When I saw you there behind Josh juts out of lilydale I lost my mind! EPIC SON

[Jarred]

THis thing is nuts!!

the look, the sound! all excellent!

for all those people stuck on the internet, this is what the sound is!
http://winnkitchen.com/images/toasted/t-pine.jpg

[rayray086]

Sorry if you see any white stains on your car Pete.

[DubSteve]

Great news Pete glad to here mate! Car is looking fantastic :)

[mk3pete]

cheers for the coments guys im stoked!!!:D
il be putting these plates on soon AVR 666 black with white writing should look tops:D
next mod on the list is a bigger exhaust;)

[Jarred]

don't forget to fix those plug leads ;)

[VR28LT]

Congrats Pete, much deserved bud ! Hope 2 see the VR with the bigger exhaust at sedf:thumbup:

[Quakes]

i got bored at work so i decided i would delete my MAF housing
http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2010/07/0035-1.jpg
http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2010/07/0028-1.jpg

Hi Pete, just passing by and wondered how you'd you go with this MOD? I really want to do it myself, is there perhaps any pointers or measurements you can swing my way? Thanks. :)

[mk3pete]

its 3'' stainless tube and the smaller tube didn't quite fit tight enough so i used a larger o ring on the sensor
for measurements iv forgotten what everything was exactly
you just have to take the sensor out and see what size tubing would fit, and then make sure its the right length so its in the middle of the 3'' tube:)

[mk3pete]

bit of an update today
thought id share what iv done in the last few months and where it will be going in the future
http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2010/12/IMAG0017-1.jpg
rear wiper delete
also deleted bottom plastic bits...wat ever you call them
i do have a tow cover on just not in that pic
http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2010/12/IMAG0019-1.jpg
the day i got my wheels
http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2010/12/IMAG0027-1.jpg
http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2010/12/IMAG0024-1.jpg
http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2010/12/IMAG0022-1.jpg
http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2010/12/IMAG0023-1.jpg
http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2010/12/IMAG0021-1.jpg
http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2010/12/IMAG0029-1.jpg
what a bitch of a job to install the phenolic spacer.... everything went wrong:mad:
all 3 bolt holes stripped thats holds the belt tensioner on (first pic)
lucky i had some spare exhaust studs M8 that were longer than the oem bolts:lollipop:
found one of my leads was broked had to jb weld it back on:mad:
all this the day before DOVW.......
i done a lot of wire neatening at the same time.
i used self amalgamating tape, great stuff really easy to use and comes up a treat.
i used two rolls of the stuff, got it from autobarn 16 bucks each but worth it.

[mk3pete]

http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2010/12/IMAG0013-1.jpg
http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2010/12/IMAG0015-1.jpg
also done the IAT relocate

no pics but today i installed neuspeeds lightweight pully kit
crank (massive difference in weight also slightly underdriven)
power steering (slightly larger than oem makes up the difference in the crank)
alternator
and gruven parts
tensioner pully and waterpump pully
very big difference in acceleration
future plans are to get it dyno tuned with this
www.lugtronic.com (http://www.lugtronic.com/)
also bigger exhaust and these
VWVortex.com - FS: S2 Metalwerks Headers for VR6 $675 (http://forums.vwvortex.com/showthread.php?4917851-FS-S2-Metalwerks-Headers-for-VR6-675)
(i couldnt find there website but this is an example)

[Tim]

have you managed to get in touch with lugtronic to see if their ECUs work properly on our cars? If so I reckon it would be a pretty nifty setup

[mk3pete]

not yet man i dont think this will be for a while at least not until i can afford it.
but it does state it works for early obd1 vr6:)
can you bring that keyring tomoz man il be comin along;

[Tim]

bugger! Ill have to go past the warehouse and pick one up in the morning. Its not far from the meet point so it shouldnt be a hassle.

[Water Boy]

So good!

Im glad you are happy with the wheels/tyres...

[mk3pete]

ok all you vr6 nutters
get yourself one of these
read my thread on vortex
VWVortex.com - WOT box vr6 help (http://forums.vwvortex.com/showthread.php?5170265-WOT-box-vr6-help)

very very very fun
especially the launch control:banana:

[mk3pete]

http://www.vwwatercooled.org.au/f47/02j-shifter-conversion-finally-55861.html
just thought id put this in here for reference
it also contains my new exhaust i installed at the same time

[TidyVR6]

What wheels are they? I love them!!

[mk3pete]

new beetle steelies mate, widened with more offset:)

[dark]

this thing is the real deal - I'm messing around with wheels and crap and you are turning your vr6 into a weapon! Pretty Amazing!