offset on 18" wheels (35 or 45)

[Tigga1]

Can someone explain to me please...

Tempe do 18" wheels for Audi/VW with either 35 or 45 offset.

they reckon both offsets will fit on the Tig, so how will the different offset affect the car, if at all?

Am I right in assuming the 35 will stick out a bit closer to the guards and give it that extra chunky look?

thanks
Tigga

[Pullstarter]

35 will poke out further yes, and I would DEFINITELY get 35 offset. I have 42 and it's good but 35 would be spot on. Unfortunately they only had 42 when I went there :( I seriously crave some 30 offsets..............maybe one day :)

[team_v]

Edit:

Used the wrong calculator, see below for correct readings

[Pullstarter]

sorry V your calcs are a bit out there; 18"x8" wheel is 38mm wider than stock 6.5" et33 wheel so:

ET 33 18x8 will sit 19mm further in than stock and 19mm further out

ET 35 18x8 will sit 21mm further in than stock and 17mm further out

ET 45 18x8 will sit 31mm further in that stock and 7mm further out

[team_v]

sorry V your calcs are a bit out there; 18"x8" wheel is 38mm wider than stock 6.5" et33 wheel so:

ET 35 18x8 will sit 21mm further in than stock and 17mm further out

ET 45 18x8 will sit 31mm further in that stock and 7mm further out

Bugger, i used the tyre size calculator, not the wheel size calculator.
I knew wheel width had to come into it somewhere but i couldn't work out where.

thanks for the updated info Pullstarter.

[Pullstarter]

Bugger, i used the tyre size calculator, not the wheel size calculator.
I knew wheel width had to come into it somewhere but i couldn't work out where.

thanks for the updated info Pullstarter.

No probs, my brain hurts now tho :duh:

[Umai Naa!!]

Depending on the tyre size, you may have some scrubbing fore and aft on full lock with lower offsets. Since pertty much everything in the wheel arch is plastic, some re-shaping with a heatgun will sort it all out. Other than that, you have my full support! :)

[Pullstarter]

35 offset 18x8 with 235/50-18s won't go anywhere near scrubbing, even when lowered on H&Rs :) I'm considering spacing my rears out 15mm which would be equivalent to ET27 offset :biggrin:

[Umai Naa!!]

Hence why I put the word 'may' in italics :p

[Sanman]

sorry V your calcs are a bit out there; 18"x8" wheel is 38mm wider than stock 6.5" et33 wheel so:

ET 33 18x8 will sit 19mm further in than stock and 19mm further out

ET 35 18x8 will sit 21mm further in than stock and 17mm further out

ET 45 18x8 will sit 31mm further in that stock and 7mm further out

So, with 18" (wider) wheels and tyres, would I get a poorer turn circle, as the tyre would foul the inner guard? If it doesn't - does this mean I can wind in the bump stops on my 16" (narrower) wheels to get a better turn circle?

[Sharkie]

35 offset 18x8 with 235/50-18s won't go anywhere near scrubbing, even when lowered on H&Rs :) I'm considering spacing my rears out 15mm which would be equivalent to ET27 offset :biggrin:

You got a price on those spacers yet Simon? I'm interested as well.

[Pullstarter]

You got a price on those spacers yet Simon? I'm interested as well.

Only a roughie Johan, about $150 AUD shipped per pair including longer studs. I'm just not so sure I really want to use spacers with the subsequent insurance issues that may arise :(

[Pullstarter]

So, with 18" (wider) wheels and tyres, would I get a poorer turn circle, as the tyre would foul the inner guard? If it doesn't - does this mean I can wind in the bump stops on my 16" (narrower) wheels to get a better turn circle?

With the 235/50-18 you won't get any fouling whatsoever, even on full lock. As to the second question no idea :bluesbro:

[Paragon]

+35 is fine

I have 19x8 +30 and is fine, not even close to scrubbing on anything and looks heaps more aggressive

[Pullstarter]

+35 is fine

I have 19x8 +30 and is fine, not even close to scrubbing on anything and looks heaps more aggressive

Is there any pics of your car with those rims on here? I must see!! :biggrin:

[T&M]

Tempe do 18" wheels for Audi/VW with either 35 or 45 offset.

they reckon both offsets will fit on the Tig

Tigga1, How did you get THAT MUCH info from Tempe Tyres??? I have calling then, emailing them and I get stock, 1-2 word answers without much detail. When I ask exact - straight to the point questions, I get the feeling the guy is cursing me...? I even asked the question on another thread on how reputable Tempe are, given we are in Brisbane, and can't walk in.

Thank you for asking the same question I had in mind :rolleyes:

We are also looking at getting some 18" for the new Tiguan for when it arrives and I was thinking about which offset.

This is the answer I got only just this morning...

hey,

we are sold out of the P206's and have no ETA for them.

i have done up to 22" on the tiguan. and they do not rub.

mick

I would like to see some 22" on the Tiguan! But which 22" wheel is he talking about??

[Pullstarter]

Probably some hideously ugly chrome abominations that would be better suited to being jewellery on a cheap emo whore than a car wheel.

[T&M]

you mean 'Fully Sic' ..........hehehehehehehehe :eek:

[team_v]

Pimp My Ride style!


Tempe are helpfull if you ask questions that they can easily answer i.e. availability and price.

If you ask about centre-bore size and fitment issues they stonewall and don't answer as it's too hard.

[Transfer]

:pics:
c'mon!

[T&M]

I'd be keen to see what some of wheels look like fitted to a Tiguan. i.e. 17", 18" or 19" with the different offsets or with the various styles of wheels and tyre choices available.

(thanks team_v for the mock ups you did on my first thread!! :cool46:)

So far we have narrowed it down to a few styles from Tempe Tyres (a couple are sold out and therefore no ETA on new shipments)

These are our current options:

http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l23/balaskas/VW%20and%20Tiguan/bg_audib7rs4replica_11.jpg

http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l23/balaskas/VW%20and%20Tiguan/bg_audis8replica1.jpg

http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l23/balaskas/VW%20and%20Tiguan/bg_audirs4replica_11.jpg

[Tigga1]

I like the middle one, as it reminds me a bit of the OEM 16" wheel, with similar lines...would have to have VW inserts though

[T&M]

Apparently the wheels are available with VW inserts/centres too.... or if we want the genuine items, they can be ordered via a dealer for much more $$.

[Tigga1]

Apparently the wheels are available with VW inserts/centres too.... or if we want the genuine items, they can be ordered via a dealer for much more $$.

maybe we can do a "group buy"...?

[T&M]

Hi,

We would be keen on the middle version too... in 18". So far Tempe Tyres have quoted me $1499 fitted and balanced with Kuhmo KU31 tyres in 235/50x18 - delivered to our door (Brisbane) for an extra $150.

Hard to find out from them though, what offset they come in. It just says "a variety of offsets".

Basically they would come ready to fit onto the car. Here is the link from their site that gives a little more detail plus some pics fitted onto a couple of Audis.
Seeing their deal includes lock nuts, I think the middle ones with the cover over the centre would hide the lock nut too.

[Tigga1]

(St) Georges Tyres do the same wheels, they're in Melbourne I think...?
and they specify either offset.

[T&M]

You're 100% correct - I found a "St George Tyres" at Arncliffe in SYD (about 1min away from Tempe Tyres) who looks like doing them, and also "7 Day Tyres & Wheels" at Granville also in SYD who sells them and they get shipped from Tempe Tyres...? conspiracy or what...? So far got most responses from Tempe.

May wait until the Tiguan gets delivered and then spend some additional $$ on these wheels. A little less expensive than going with the 'New York' VW wheels, where I got quoted $2300 without tyres!

I'm not sure how you would put together a group deal for different wheels for different people? Maybe we mention that we are forum members :confused:

[Pullstarter]

18" RS4 reps with 235/50 tyres lowered on H&R springs;

http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2009/07/DSCF0732-1.jpg

Those are 42 offset, try and get 35 if you can, will look nicer with a bit more poke.

[Sanman]

18" RS4 reps with 235/50 tyres lowered on H&R springs;

Those are 42 offset, try and get 35 if you can, will look nicer with a bit more poke.

Yeah, they're the go. Something that is "sort of" genuine looks good.
There's a Tig with 18" New York I see on my way home, and they look just too fancy/fussy. RS4s or the middle one above seem a lot better suited to the Tiguan

Group buy would be as simple as asking them what discount they'd put on a wheel package if you could guarantee 5 different sets, you're shopping around for a club. If they say 15%, put it up as a thread, see how many takers you get.

[JamesTiguan147]

Hi all,

Interesting thread.

I am looking at wheel options for my black 147 due in November and am really interested in seeing what the 19" Savannah's look like.

http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2009/09/TiguanPicVWWheelOptions-2.jpg

Has anyone seen any pics with this option? Particulaly with the part black on em.

Brochure says you need flared guards, this is is ar$e covering BS right?

Can we expect Tempe Tyres/7 Day to have some decent replicas soon or am i kidding myself and should just look at a similar alternative? Comments welcome.

Cheers

[team_v]

tempe don't do many vw replica's at all, mainly audi as they are an "upgrade" for vw drivers.

I believe the flared guards are to accomodate the wider wheels and tires they run for the 19" Savannahs.

I believe there are similar looking wheels out there that won't cost you an arm and a leg for tyres or lose ride quality.

[Transfer]

Hi all,

Interesting thread.

I am looking at wheel options for my black 147 due in November and am really interested in seeing what the 19" Savannah's look like.

http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2009/09/TiguanPicVWWheelOptions-2.jpg

Has anyone seen any pics with this option? Particulaly with the part black on em.

Brochure says you need flared guards, this is is ar$e covering BS right?

Can we expect Tempe Tyres/7 Day to have some decent replicas soon or am i kidding myself and should just look at a similar alternative? Comments welcome.

Cheers
Check this link for great pics of Savannah bi-color. http://forums.vwvortex.com/zerothread?id=3988100&page=1
These are 19x9 ET33 with recommended tire size 255/40/19.

[JamesTiguan147]

Thanks Transfer,

Perfect! Only way these pics could have been better is if they were on a clean Black 147, but i am sold.

I will be puting 19's on mine and hopefully trying to get my hands on those exact bi-colour savannahs. They dont look like they will scrub out and i have been driving a rigid go cart (2004 MR2 Spyder) around for 5 years so a bit of ride quality is something i am happy to sacrafice.

I just gotta figure out this "offset" business and where i can get em without paying through the nose. I wonder if i can trade in my new stock 147 wheels with tyres.

Anyway, plenty of time to sort that out with my November delivery on the car.

Thanks again guys and look forward to contributing to this forum in the future.

Cheers :bowdown:

[T&M]

Hi JamesTiguan147,

Which 'standard' wheels are you getting? The Davenports in 17"? We have looked at the upgrade cost for 18" VW OEM wheels and would rather get the replicas and spend the difference elsewhere. Being in SYD it is relatively easy for you to go and see the wheels/tyre places, but for us, we just tend to get 'simple-straightforward' answers over the phone without too much detail such as offset etc... I have found that Tempe, St George, 7 Day all do the wheels but depending on availability it may pay to order ahead. I also seem to be of the understanding that the wheels they stock are generally +40 or +42 offset, whereas a +35 will give the car a wider stance appearance, still without rubbing.
Let me know what type of wheels you have coming and if you are keen, how much?

[JamesTiguan147]

Hi,

Pretty sure i'm getting the 17" Boston 5 spokes standard. Yeah will do, i'll just rock up to all three of those places, see if i can get my hands on those 19" Savannahs with a 35 offset over the next few days, see what timing is.

Hopefully i can time it so the Bostons will be new, my post got quite a lot of interest so if you're chasing the Davenports i shouldn't have too much trouble moving em if you're not keen on the Bostons.

Cheers

[team_v]

You will only be able to get the OEM wheels from a dealer, ebay or OEMplus.com

[cubes]

Got these RS6 20"x9" ET35 replicas from Ebay http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=400071254193&viewitem=&sspagename=ADME%3AL%3ACOSI%3AAU%3A1123 made an offer less than the buy it now, same ones St George do but only in 17 and 18 and they didn't have 19s at last timeI rang. As for tyres a 255/35/20 has an exact 27" rolling diameter as the stock 16" like the 255/40/19 do for the 19"s. For abit more sidewall I am thinking on going for a 275/35/20 which has a 27.7 rolling diamter like the BMW X5s(which have an even higher aspect ratio) and Audi Q5s which run a 255/45/20. Always wondered why the Tiguan for an SUV run such a small height tyer compared to its counterparts ?

[team_v]

Got these RS6 20"x9" ET35 replicas from Ebay http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=400071254193&viewitem=&sspagename=ADME%3AL%3ACOSI%3AAU%3A1123 made an offer less than the buy it now, same ones St George do but only in 17 and 18 and they didn't have 19s at last timeI rang. As for tyres a 255/35/20 has an exact 27" rolling diameter as the stock 16" like the 255/40/19 do for the 19"s. For abit more sidewall I am thinking on going for a 275/35/20 which has a 27.7 rolling diamter like the BMW X5s(which have an even higher aspect ratio) and Audi Q5s which run a 255/45/20. Always wondered why the Tiguan for an SUV run such a small height tyer compared to its counterparts ?

They look okay, not sure how they will look on teh tig, you should put up some pictures.
I wouldn't go anything over 18" purely for the cost and availability of tyres for them.

But that is just my opinion.

[cubes]

I have done various Photoshop mockups of various wheels and sizes but haven't uploaded the pics to a web space to upload them. They are not my favorite on the Tiguan and look alot better on an Audi but the 20"s do fill the guards nicely like on the X5s. Personaly I do think the required 255/35/20 is little thin on sidewall and the added 0.7"(17.78m) of the 275/35/20 even 255/40/20 shouldn't make much of difference with the speedo (just drive a little less than the speedometer reads) but that extra sidewall make things more even with the 18" and 19"s. The 19" savanah wheels with a 255/40/19 fit fine on a Tiguan with plenty of sidewall for comfort but with added response and is not much of a compramise over the 18"s.

Suprisingly 20" tyres are cheaper and more readily available than 19"s of a comparable size in a lot of cases.

[oileoi]

What an interesting post. Hey guys Im new in the forum and im waiting for MK6 due at the end of November. I want to put some 18" or 19" inch wheels on it and was wondering if you guys have many any progress in the group purchase?

Ideally I want 18 x 8.5? could you please recommend tyres for this set up? with 1.5 lowering? I don't want any rubbing, thanks in advance :confused:

[sama13]

Oileoi, I have a set of 18 x 9 with 45mm offset and I'm using 255/45R18 and I'm lowered 30mm as H&R springs let me and I haven't rubbed at all, this sizes respects the overall diameter compared to the 16" OE size the tire shows up a little from the side of the car maybe 2 or 3 mm but it looks pretty bad ass.

[oileoi]

Oileoi, I have a set of 18 x 9 with 45mm offset and I'm using 255/45R18 and I'm lowered 30mm as H&R springs let me and I haven't rubbed at all, this sizes respects the overall diameter compared to the 16" OE size the tire shows up a little from the side of the car maybe 2 or 3 mm but it looks pretty bad ass.

Thanks sama13, do you mind me asking you what car are you running this set up? Could you post some pictures please ???

[oileoi]

Sorry guys I just realise I was posting in the Tiguan thread, apologies to all of you for that. However getting the group deal is something im keen on so please PM message me if you guys decided to go ahead with the purchase of the wheels!

[JamesTiguan147]

Hi All,

I have made the decision that i am definately selling my new 147 17" Bostons as soon as i take delivery of my 147 in early November. I will have other wheels lined up by then so i will probably take the day off work and drive straight from the VW dealer to the Wheel and Tyre place to make the changeover.

Ideally it would be good to sell them to someone in Sydney that can meet me at the Wheel and Tyre place that day to pick them up but we'll see what happens.

Please shoot me a private message with your best offer if you are interested.

If you're curious, i'm selling them to get 19" wheels.

Cheers

[cubes]

Maybe we should start a member Wheel/Tyre size/fitment database with pictures of course to show any clearance issues which amy or may not arise and pictures alway can sow more than words ever can.

[JamesTiguan147]

I'd be happy to contribute to that in November with some nice, quality pictures for sure. Including close ups.

[cubes]

I am waiting for my 20's to come any day now, they are been held up at the Fedex depot ready for clearance. Should get some pics of them and some showing off the et35 offset and photos of them on the car end of next month or early Nov.

[cubes]

http://www.mswt.com.au/tyre_calculator.asp
Here is a useful link for comparing tyre specs in both inches and mm. Includes tyre diameterand also sidewall height which I find handy.

[JamesTiguan147]

Ok,

Here's what i am thinking, feel free to point out any problems you may see:

Width (mm) Profile (%) Rim Dia (in) Wall H (mm) Circ. (mm)
Stock Tyre Size 235 50% 18 118 2,174
Proposed Tyre Size 245 40% 20 98 2,211

The stock tyre size above is off the 18 inch New Yorks.

Falken make 245/40/20's.

Only a 1.7% difference in Circ. so nominal affect on Speedo. Little bit extra tire wall, sacrafice tire width, so will have to get the offset right at 35.

[team_v]

Ok,

Here's what i am thinking, feel free to point out any problems you may see:

Width (mm) Profile (%) Rim Dia (in) Wall H (mm) Circ. (mm)
Stock Tyre Size 235 50% 18 118 2,174
Proposed Tyre Size 245 40% 20 98 2,211

The stock tyre size above is off the 18 inch New Yorks.

Falken make 245/40/20's.

Only a 1.7% difference in Circ. so nominal affect on Speedo. Little bit extra tire wall, sacrafice tire width, so will have to get the offset right at 35.

That would be within the legal limits as well.

It is do-able, but the tyre cost is going to be pretty huge, as well as availability in Aus to the same specifications for load limit and speed rating.

[cubes]

255/35 20 is what ABT tuning use on their 20" rims and is the exact height/circumference of a standard Tiguan tyre and is also cheaper than the 245/40 20 from my research O.S. and localy. Having said that I personally am looking at fitting 245/40/-20 up front and 275/35/20 out back or 275's all round if the steering clears. Also got my 20"x9" RS6 replicas delivered by the Fedex with no extra taxes from www.eurowheelsgallery.com in the States off Ebay. Will post pics as soon as I upload them, now to wait for the car for a month and a bit.

[cubes]

Went to the dealer yesterday and measured up the available space in the front wheel well on a 147 Tig with the 235/55/17 setp and at 27.2" in height they left little room for error in going up a size with the spring-cup on the strut leaving approx 10-12mm of clearance. Too tight to risk going a 245/40/20 tyre at 27.7" especialy as I was buying my tyres online from the US without been able to trial fit them. Ended up buying the 255/35/20 in a Continental ExtremeContact DW(Us model) for $US640 or approx AU$750.
As much as I wanted 275/35/20s allround with the spring-cup clearance issues, not gonna happen, unless you got coilovers then they should fit ok with the right offset wheels.

[Transfer]

Went to the dealer yesterday and measured up the available space in the front wheel well on a 147 Tig with the 235/55/17 setp and at 27.2" in height they left little room for error in going up a size with the spring-cup on the strut leaving approx 10-12mm of clearance. Too tight to risk going a 245/40/20 tyre at 27.7" especialy as I was buying my tyres online from the US without been able to trial fit them. Ended up buying the 255/35/20 in a Continental ExtremeContact DW(Us model) for $US640 or approx AU$750.
As much as I wanted 275/35/20s allround with the spring-cup clearance issues, not gonna happen, unless you got coilovers then they should fit ok with the right offset wheels.

Let us know how the Conti DW is. I'm planning on going with them when spring/summer comes back to Seattle. I'll be doing 255/45/18 all around.

[cubes]

Let us know how the Conti DW is. I'm planning on going with them when spring/summer comes back to Seattle. I'll be doing 255/45/18 all around.

I will let you know sometime in November, that's the good thing in Australia we don't realy need winter/snow tyres (in most cases) and the DWS version are ugly in comparrison, the Conti Dw was also exceptional value compared to the Contsport 3 and 2.

[T&M]

OK, it's going to sound like a stupid question but I'll ask anyway... where do I find the original rolling diameter of the Tiguan wheels? :bowdown:

[team_v]

Use a tyre size calculator (google it) and input your stock wheel dimensions and tyres and it will tell you the rolling diameter.

http://www.miata.net/garage/tirecalc.html

http://www.1010tires.com/tiresizecalculator.asp

[T&M]

Thanks muchly.

[cubes]

Also try this calculator
http://www.mswt.com.au/tyre_calculator.asp

Didn't end up getting the Conti DW but got some Goodyaer Eagle F1 Assymetric for a better price and used the saving to pay for shipping, in the tirerack test just pipped the conti and narrowly beaten by the Michelin PS2, pics on page 2 of this threadhttp://www.vwwatercooled.org.au/newforum/upload/showthread.php?t=34753&page=3