New Eos - bluetooth options

[Optic]

Hi All,

I pick up my new Eos on Friday. :)

Black
Individual Package
Bi-Xenon Headlights
Alarm
Electric seats
Dyn Audio
Sat Nav

Can't wait :)

I am not sure what to do about the Bluetooth kit though. I have been told that the new kit is out (I assume this is the 9W3 that I have read about) and that it will be $2200 installed from the dealer. :eek:

Has anyone else had a 9W3 installed in their Eos by an Australian dealer? Do they really cost this much? Thinking of importing one from OS for ~$400 US and installing it myself.... not sure if I need VCDS to do it though.

Cheers,
David

[whoistheg]

I pretty much have the same as your but no xenon and dynaudio and 2 weeks older :)

I have booked in with Dean at Volkspower to get premium BT installed.

He is doing it for around the $1500 mark. A lot better than VW

I will let you know how it goes/.

[Optic]

Hi,

Thanks for the response - if it goes well for you I may do the same. :)

Do you know whether the "Premium Bluetooth" that VW offer in Australia is the 9W3 (1Z0 035 729 D) that people talk about in the forums?

I have asked my local dealer about the Premium Bluetooth and was told the part number was VGA051437 which turns up nothing on Google. I have also been told that the Premium Bluetooth only works with phones that support rSAP and that it specifically *wont* work with the iPhone 3G/S.

However - all over the world the talk in the forums is that the iPhone works fine with the 9W3 (and A2DP even works with the "D" model) yet the iPhone does not support rSAP.

This makes me very confused and I am starting to suspect that the Premium Bluetooth being sold by dealers in Australia is not the 9W3. I do not want to spend $1500-$2000 on the Premium Bluetooth from my dealer only to find that it is not even the 9W3 genuine OEM VW part. The 9W3 is a $275 US option in the USA!!!

I'm thinking of importing one ($350 US online) and installing it myself!

Cheers,
David

[sparta]

I'm in the same boat with my GTI Pirelli. The dealer told me exactly the same: two options: $700 or $2200 (premium), premium does not work with Iphone 3g.

Personally, I think $1500 to $2200 is quite steep for bluetooth functionality. I am also considering VW Accessory 000 051 433 C, which is essentially the Bury CC 9060. Great functionality, the only downside is that you have another device/screen in your car rather than using the RNS510 screen...

Have a look at page 17:

http://www.volkswagen-zubehoer.de/fileadmin/pdf/prospekte/englisch/zubehoer/L41774_Golf_VI_ZP%20englisch%20081208.pdf

[Swallowtail]

http://www.kufatec.de/shop/product_info.php/info/p1182_FISCON-Bluetooth-Handsfree----Basic-Plus----VW--Skoda.html Works with Eos or Golf.

About $750 landed, and as long as you are half handy, easy to install. Took me an hour. You'll need someone with VAGCOM to make it work with the MFD in the instruments, but even without that it fully integrates with the RNS510.

You can get them installed in Aus for about $850 - 900 all up. Search for Fiscon on the site here and you will find heaps of people who have done them.

Anyone in Brisbane is more than welcome to come and see mine (I can do the VAGCOM coding as well in Brisbane).

[Optic]

Hi,

Just an update on this - I spoke to Volkspower in Melbourne and asked exactly what they install for $1500. They said that it was the VW genuine 9W3 (1Z0 035 729 D) and that the iPhone works fine with it.

I still can't get my local dealer to give me the proper VW part number of the "Premium Bluetooth" that they sell although they claim it does NOT work with the iPhone.

So either the dealer installs something completely different (not the 9W3) or they are just mistaken about the iPhone. It could also just be that the iPhone works but isn't on the "officially supported" list and that translates to them telling me that the iPhone doesn't work.

Anyway - it's of some concern to me that so far the dealer has only managed to tell me I can get one kit for $700 and another for $2200. Apart from that the information is scarce (what brand they are, part numbers, what do they do differently etc). I actually suspect that the $2200 option is the 9W3 but I can't make that decision based on a guess.

Cheers,
David

[Swallowtail]

The $700 system (9W2 I believe) is a very basic system, no integration with stereo or instrument display.

I believe the 9W3 is the Skoda-based system. See http://vwnavi.com/forums/showthread.php?t=10152 for more information. It does NOT use rSAP according to those posts.

As far as I know the only thing that 9W3 at your $1500 gives you over the Fiscon at ~$800 is voice activation.

And also as far as I know the VW dealer fitted $2200 is an rSAP system that will not work with your iPhone.

[whoistheg]

The premium one with rSAP should work with the iphone 3g.

The iphone does not support RSAP bt profile (like 90% off bt mobile phones out there)
so it drop back to normal bt phone mode and use the phone for the calls.

I was told its better to get this premium installed as the price difference is only a few hundred dollars.

Saying it wont work with iPhone is wrong. It should work just not all the extra bells and whistles or rSAP mode

who knows the iPhone might support rSAP in 4.0 :)

I have read lots of posts on the VWnavi forums and its all very confusing :)

My install is tomorrow so ill let you know how it goes.

[Swallowtail]

The premium one with rSAP should work with the iphone 3g.

The iphone does not support RSAP bt profile (like 90% off bt mobile phones out there)
so it drop back to normal bt phone mode and use the phone for the calls.

I was told its better to get this premium installed as the price difference is only a few hundred dollars.

Saying it wont work with iPhone is wrong. It should work just not all the extra bells and whistles or rSAP mode

who knows the iPhone might support rSAP in 4.0 :)

I have read lots of posts on the VWnavi forums and its all very confusing :)

My install is tomorrow so ill let you know how it goes.

Good luck with that. "It should work..." "I was told it's better..." "all very confusing"

I repeat - as far as I am aware and as far as hundreds of other people who've posted on the Internet, the VW Premium Bluetooth system is an rSAP system that won't work with an iPhone.

It's good you are clear before you part with $2200. :eek: Your $...

I hope for your sake that I am wrong.

[whoistheg]

Im getting mine for Volkspower so its only $1500 not $2200

if it does not work ill get him to

a) get the kit that does work
b) replace it with a new model. Fiscon

There is so much mis-information on these internet forums about what will and wont work that who is to know whats right.

I mean people have Skoda kits/ABCD versions/premium/non premium/Parrot :)

I dont really care either i told Dean i wanted BT installed and i have a RNS510 an iPhone. Take my money and make it work

[Swallowtail]

OK - what you are getting is NOT the rSAP unit. The Volkspower fitted unit is NOT what VW sell as Premium, and yes it will work with the iPhone, because it's NOT rSAP. The reason it's cheaper is because it's a different unit, although functionality is pretty similar, minus the rSAP.

As to misinformation: you mean like this?:

"The premium one with rSAP should work with the iphone 3g.

The iphone does not support RSAP bt profile (like 90% off bt mobile phones out there)
so it drop back to normal bt phone mode and use the phone for the calls.

Saying it wont work with iPhone is wrong. It should work just not all the extra bells and whistles or rSAP mode"

All of those statements are unfortunately wrong.


VW Bluetooth options in a nutshell:

1. VW $800 "basic" (based on a Nokia unit I believe) - no MFD or head unit integration
2. Fiscon $900ish fitted - Full MFD and head unit integration, works with MFSW, no voice activation
3. Skoda-type "premium" unit about $1500 fitted - NOT rSAP, full integration as Fiscon, plus voice activation
4. VW "premium" about $2200 - rSAP phones ONLY (NOT iPhone), full integration, voice activation

Not hard really.

EDIT - should add that 1 and 4 you'll get from your local friendly VW dealer when you order your beaut new VW. 2 you can get from advancedice and their retailers here in Oz, or you can order from Kufatec in Germany, and 3 you can get also from Kufatec or from Harding Performance or Volkspower, etc.

[whoistheg]

thanks for the summary Swallowtail awesome work..

Maybe we need a BT FAQ setup under the Car Audio section.

Its doing my head in with all different versions/name :)


Edit: I noticed you left Parrot off the list.. haha

just to add to this..

if you are doing this yourself

3. Skoda-type "premium" unit about $1500 fitted - NOT rSAP, full integration as Fiscon, plus voice activation

I think there are 4 different versions of the firmware/revisions for this. A/B/C/D
Some work with Golf IV (white dials) some work with Red/Blue.

I'm glad i'm just paying someone to make it work.

[Swallowtail]

LOL... I think you had the right idea - paying for someone to do it.

As to a BT FAQ - do you mean like this: http://www.vwwatercooled.org.au/newforum/upload/showthread.php?t=31461

:D It's a new sticky in the Audio section.

I'll put a note in there about the firmware versions.

Cheers

[whoistheg]

Awesome stuff..

and i guess we can add to it as we find out more..

Cheers


LOL... I think you had the right idea - paying for someone to do it.

As to a BT FAQ - do you mean like this: http://www.vwwatercooled.org.au/newforum/upload/showthread.php?t=31461

:D It's a new sticky in the Audio section.

I'll put a note in there about the firmware versions.

Cheers

[Optic]

VW Bluetooth options in a nutshell:

1. VW $800 "basic" (based on a Nokia unit I believe) - no MFD or head unit integration
2. Fiscon $900ish fitted - Full MFD and head unit integration, works with MFSW, no voice activation
3. Skoda-type "premium" unit about $1500 fitted - NOT rSAP, full integration as Fiscon, plus voice activation
4. VW "premium" about $2200 - rSAP phones ONLY (NOT iPhone), full integration, voice activation


Hi Swallowtail,

In your above list, number 3 is the one known as the 9W3, VW part number 1Z0 035 729 D - is that correct?

The only thing I am not quite understanding is that as far as I know, the 9W3 is a true VW option - the one that is considered to be the best (?). Why on earth are Australian dealers offering number 4 (what is number 4 anyway? Is it an official VW part or just an Aussie dealer thing?) when number 3 is the official VW part, is better *and* cheaper?! Why do we have to go to Volkspower to get the VW genuine part installed rather than a dealer? It seems bizarre.

Also - with the 3rd option, I have read that the "D" model supports A2DP with the new iPhone 3.0 firmware. Have you seen this personally? I am starting to hear about an "E" version as well - any idea what the difference is with this?

Cheers,
David

[whoistheg]

Swallowtail.. I think you need to add this to the FAQ.

I knew i read it somewhere and it was here the whole time

http://www.ozvolks.com/forums/showthread.php?t=541

specifically for the RSAP version

<snip>
The big issue for me however is that the system only uses the GSM 900/1800 band, not the Next G UMTS 850 band. As such, once you are outside of the city or major regionals the thing has no connection a lot of the time. I pulled over by the side of the Hume last night with "No connection" showing to the VW unit, yet after I turned off the car I instantly had three bars of Next G service on the phone.

<snip>

[Swallowtail]

Hi Swallowtail,

In your above list, number 3 is the one known as the 9W3, VW part number 1Z0 035 729 D - is that correct?

Yes.


The only thing I am not quite understanding is that as far as I know, the 9W3 is a true VW option - the one that is considered to be the best (?). Why on earth are Australian dealers offering number 4 (what is number 4 anyway? Is it an official VW part or just an Aussie dealer thing?) when number 3 is the official VW part, is better *and* cheaper?! Why do we have to go to Volkspower to get the VW genuine part installed rather than a dealer? It seems bizarre.

The Skoda kit is a VW part yes. Not sure why it is not offered by VW here.


Also - with the 3rd option, I have read that the "D" model supports A2DP with the new iPhone 3.0 firmware. Have you seen this personally? I am starting to hear about an "E" version as well - any idea what the difference is with this?

I have seen A2DP with an iPhone 3.0 on my phone, with the Fiscon unit though not the 729. I found the sound quality unsatisfactory.

I don't know anything about the details of specific versions of the 729 (9W3).

[Swallowtail]

Swallowtail.. I think you need to add this to the FAQ.

I knew i read it somewhere and it was here the whole time

http://www.ozvolks.com/forums/showthread.php?t=541

specifically for the RSAP version

<snip>
The big issue for me however is that the system only uses the GSM 900/1800 band, not the Next G UMTS 850 band. As such, once you are outside of the city or major regionals the thing has no connection a lot of the time. I pulled over by the side of the Hume last night with "No connection" showing to the VW unit, yet after I turned off the car I instantly had three bars of Next G service on the phone.

<snip>

That link is for the Scirocco - any chance of the real link... :D

If this is true then that's a major issue with that system.

[Swallowtail]

I've updated the Sticky thread. Thanks guys. Anyone shed any light on the GSM bands on the rSAP unit?

[whoistheg]

Sorry about the link showing the wife my next car :)

here it is

http://www.vwwatercooled.org.au/newforum/upload/showpost.php?p=315525&postcount=52


mtaoz3 on this forum was the person who experienced it

[Optic]

My install is tomorrow so ill let you know how it goes.

How did your installation go?

Cheers,
David

[Swallowtail]

:D

http://www.vwwatercooled.org.au/newforum/upload/showthread.php?t=31554

Very nice.

[whoistheg]

Hi all

Just an update on how the BT is going etc.

Install:

Volkspower were good. They use the Skoda OEM kit and im pretty sure they get this from Guy Harding. Dropped car off at 9:30am picked it up at 3:00pm
No scratches on any panels or anything. The BT unit sits in the official spot
under the drivers seat and is covered by grey carpet piece which comes in the kit.

OEM microphone is run up the drivers side pillar and across the top of the
sun visors to the OEM position.

RNS510 no idea how the cable was routed to plug this in i have not looked :)

EDIT: it looks exactly like the following http://octavia-vrs.com/technical/bluetooth.html

We have the premium steering wheel installed in our EOS so we have the
(Star) button and the (Phone Icon) button the RHS and on the LHS we have the (menu) button and the (OK) button.

Pressing the (Phone Icon) button does nothing. From reading all the threads (vwnavi) this is correct. I thought it would at least be the same as pressing the phone on the 510.

I don't believe it can be setup. I think its used if you get other BT models or cars without all the extra buttons. Press the (Star) button and hold it (for voice dialing which i have not worked out how to do yet)

Using BT:

My wife and i both have iPhones (me 3g and her 3gs) both worked great. They bond very fast and have access to all the functions.

The only little gripe is there does not appear to be a priority list of phones. I would like it if it worked like the following.

If i was driving the car and my iPhone was bonded first, then pick my wife up from work and she gets in the car with her iPhone i would like her phone to take over.

It does not work that way. First in first bonded. To unbond my iPhone you have to switch off BT and then hers will bond. This is kinda hard with the iPhone when its plugged into the MDI input in the glove box and then you have to do 5 swipes of the iphone to turn off BT.

It would be good if you could do this from the MFD in a settings menu so turn it off at the BT kit level not the phone level

From reading a lot of other threads about BT phone kits in cars im pretty sure all of them behave like the VW kit so this so its just my wishful thinking on how i would like i to work.

I'm not sure how many phones you can have bonded to device. I think it might me 20 or so.

Each phone allows you to store 6 numbers in the speed dial location on the 510. So when my iPhone is connected i have my 6 speed dials. When my wife's phone is connected she has her 6 friends in speed dial. So it remembers this which is great.

Calls are very clear. The integration is fantastic. When a call comes in it fades out the radio. phone rings and name will pop up on 510 as well as MFD you then press (OK) button on steering wheel to answer the call or green pickup button on 510.

The iPhone works fine in MDI (playing music) mode with BT as well. It will just fade down the current song its playing and then phone will ring.

I did have a problem trying to sync my work phone Nokia 3120. It hung trying to copy over phone book. I might look into that later. It might need a FW update or something.

To hang up its just as easy. Press arrow down on the steering wheel to hang up and press ok. Or press red hang up button on 510.

When you are on a call you have the option to mute the microphone.

You also get all your Calls/Missed calls/Dialed numbers on the MFD as well as the 510.

The one thing you don't get with this kit is any SMS functionality. If you need this you might want to look at the other kits.

Price and Thoughts:

Yes is bloody expensive but the way im looking at it as $1100 for the unit and $400 installation. 4 hours at $100 an hour :) Which is not too bad as to get one from OS is about $600 euro which is about $1000 then you have to pay for shipping and installation.

I have no problem at all recommending Volkspower. They have done these kits before and they know the whole VW system.

The thing that sealed it for me is within 10 minutes of handing my wife her car back she has figured out how to use it and has no problems now answering and making calls and for me that's all that matters

[Swallowtail]

Excellent writeup... Seems a little weird that it doesn't use the phone button on the MFSW. It would appear from your research that is normal though... :(

Good to see the WAF is high LOL... That's always a biggie!

Great that it's all gone well.

[whoistheg]

ok some more info..


Maybe we need to add this to the BT FAQ for Nokia Symbian phones if they are having problems syncing phonebook/contacts over

http://europe.nokia.com/get-support-and-software/product-support/nokia-810/software


1. Download Nokia 810 Contact Download Application for Nokia S60 3rd edition devices and install it using Nokia PC Suite.
2. Remove all pairing to the carkit from the phone.
3. Make sure Bluetooth is turned off on the phone.
4. Sit in the car with the ignition on so that the Bluetooth kit is switched on.
5. Run the Contact Download Application on the phone.
6. Follow the prompts to enable the Bluetooth and connect to the car.
7. The contacts will be transferred, it may take a couple of minutes.


I have not tested this yet. It looks like it should fix my phonebook problem with the work phone

[Optic]

Excellent write-up whoistheg!

I have booked my Eos to have the same kit installed at Volkspower on Monday.

Tinting tomorrow at Tint-a-Car. Is yours tinted? If so, where did you get it done?

Cheers,
David

[whoistheg]

Good stuff with the BT. You should really like it.
After a few more days usage i have to say it just works.
Phones bond every time. I can dial numbers no problems
and people comment that they have no problems hearing me.

I got my tint done at Tint a Car, North Melbourne

I read they have done a few EOS on this forum so
that was good enough for me :)

They do the rear window first and then take the roof down to
do the 4 side windows. Nice and simple

It was $299 for midnight express. I think it was their sale
before EOFY but you should be able to get them for that price.

[Optic]

Hey,

They quoted me $295 for Midnight Express so I guess they are still doing it. :)

Did you look at the other tints and decide Midnight Express was the best looking one on the Eos? I don't know which tint to get yet (Bolle, Formula One or Midnight Express) - I'll have a look when I get there and decide at the time.

I'm guessing the Midnight Express will look the best (being the darkest).

Cheers,
David

[whoistheg]

Hey Optic,

How did you go with the tint and BT install?

All good?

Happy with the BT?

[Optic]

Hey Optic,

How did you go with the tint and BT install?


Hey whoistheg,

Had Formula One tint done at Tint-a-Car and it looks great.

Got the BT installed on Monday. Also very happy with it - it works just as you said in your long review. The only problem is that Volkspower have forgotten to code it properly. My "star" button does not activate voice dialling like it should (it still mutes the radio).

I have read on different forums that there is a code which determines whether the star button does the voice dialling or whether it remains as mute. They have accidentally left it as mute (even though they verbally told me to use the star button for voice activated dialling).

No big deal - I'll take it back there one day to have it programmed right. Just a bit of a hassle as they are not located near where I live or work. :)

Cheers,
David

[whoistheg]

FYI i figured out why mine is not doing voice dialing

My iPhone 3g does not support it.

You need a phone that supports voice dialing.

When i use my wifes iPhone 3gs which supports it, it works.

Personally i think i would prefer the mute option as i very rarely
use voice dialing as i have full access to the phone book anyway.
Its often handy to mute the radio quickly which i cannot do now.