Do I want DSG?

[vjr]

Hi all,

Not compeltely new to the forum, but haven't posted since I was getting advice on buying a VR6 late last year. which I never bought.

Anyway, times change and I'm looking at a recent GTI. Got my eye on an 06 DSG with some extra fruit, price is ok (haven't been to see it yet). Almost bought a new one in 06 but the waiting list was long so I went and got a Forester XT instead. That's another story.

Main question is, do I want DSG? I dislike full autos, and never tried a DSG before. I know you'll say 'go try one and see', which is what I'm about to do today. But I'm sure this has been asked many times before, and I'm wondering what percentage of manual lovers are actually happy when they end up getting a DSG. I'm going for a 3 or 4 year novated lease on this thing and will pretty much be stuck with it for that time.

Thanks for any advice!

PS: Instead of the VR6 I got an Alfa 156 manual. I detested the SeleSpeeds that I drove but I know DSG is in another universe to that.

[GTI32]

You will just get people defending their choice with sentimental answers. If you think depressing a clutch with your foot makes you enjoy the driving experience, then get manual. If you want the best performance, then get DSG.

[vjr]

You will just get people defending their choice with sentimental answers. If you think depressing a clutch with your foot makes you enjoy the driving experience, then get manual. If you want the best performance, then get DSG.

Thanks.. I agree my manual shifting will not come close to auto shifting, just wondering if there's lots of ex-manual people with regrets, or happy experiences. Maybe I should do a poll :) Guess it's been done before.

[blutopless2]

ex manual here... went dsg with my jetta tsi as it was the only option if i wanted the 147kW engine and top end model.. no manual available. If there was a manual option i would've ticked the box.
I initially liked the dsg but over time i have grown to not like it. find it is really lacking in a few areas that imho makes it a real pita to drive.
My wife wants a Tiguan and our experience with the dsg means she will choose the base model 6 speed manual over the top end dsg and just get it chipped to regain the kw.

[Transporter]

I drive both and prefer DSG in Golf. For performance you can't go past the DSG, especially if you drive it he city most of the time.

[bwen]

Hey mate, I've been driving manual since I was a teenager and I have gone through 7 different sports cars all manual of course. My MKV GTI was the first 'automatic' (2 pedal) car I have owned mainly because I have simply grown out of that whole modified japanese import car scene. I have driven automatic cars in the past and they were always so bland and boring mainly because people never really associated sports cars with automatic transmission. I quite enjoy my DSG GTI, I do a lot of city driving now so it helps quite a bit when I'm stuck in peak hour traffic at 8am every morning with my brain still half a sleep...

I still have my small speed thrist sometimes though and giving the car some gas with the DSG gearbox is quite good, much better than any automatic car I have driven in the past as of course it is still a 6 speed with two clutches (I'm sure you know how DSG works!) and there is still always the triptronic style padle and gearbox shifting

Another reason why I grabbed DSG was because my wife only drives automatic.

[STV4SYT]

I have also bought the Golf as my first car with no "man pedal" I do enjoy driving it, but if i was to go another one id defo consider the manual again. While DSG is a great gearbox, i dont have the confidence in it to pull across into heavy traffic. It does lurch around a bit when trying to reverse and doesnt handle speed bumps the best. I do use the tiptronic function a fair bit just to overcome the shortfalls in the automation but it is a godsend in traffic. Each to their own.


To summarise. If i had 2 identical cars sitting side by side, 1 manual, 1 DSG and i had to go for a fun drive, id take the manual, if i was commuting to work id take the DSG. For a decent compromise of the 2 , DSG wins.

The only thing that scares me is the cost of fixing the thing out of warranty. Get the extended if you do buy DSG.

[aristocrat]

Hi vjr, I must admit the DSG is a very sophisticated gearbox and on that note, cannot really compare with a normal automatic. I recently purchased an R32 with DSG and am loving it to bits.

After saying that though, if you like spirited driving and do enjoy the satisfaction of manually matching engine speed with gear and heel-toeing, get the manual. I am certainly missing that facet of the manual box.

But if you have to negotiate quite a bit of city bumper to bumper - get the DSG for it is much more practical.

That my $0.02 worth

[mtj007]

My wife wants a Tiguan and our experience with the dsg means she will choose the base model 6 speed manual over the top end dsg and just get it chipped to regain the kw.

Tiguans don't come with DSG, they come with a regular 6 speed torque converter automatic (a very nice smooth one too).

I'm happy with DSG for the most part, it does have its quirks but I am lazy and would probably have still gone for a regular automatic even if DSG wasn't on offer, especially with a diesel.

My dad's been driving manual for 35 years and hates regular autos with a passion, today he picks up a Golf VI TDI DSG... For him driving manual wasn't so much about the "fun" part of it, it was about efficiency and being in the right gear (he's an accountant... what can I say? + he's getting old :wasntme:). Put him in a regular automatic and if it has a tiptronic mode he will use it, DSG he will put it in D and let it do its own thing.

[maca]

I'm an ex manual driver and while I love the DSG, I wouldn't mind going back to the manual. It kicks ass over regular autos. I drove a manual tdi Jetta the other day as a loan car and found it to be gutless as hell. No regrets choosing the DSG here! So it may be best to get out there and find manual and DSG boxes and give em a go..

[idaho]

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My wife wants a Tiguan and our experience with the dsg means she will choose the base model 6 speed manual over the top end dsg and just get it chipped to regain the kw.

Tiguans are real automatic, not DSG.

[Steve_GTI]

I have the DSG but I will probably go back to the manual next time.
I get sick of the DSG doing 60 in 6th gear, I realise you can tap the paddle or use manual mode but if you have to mess around with changing you may as well have a manual.
Sports mode is too far the other way and is great for spirited driving but a pain for normal day to day driving.
They need to recalibrate the DSG to more realistic change points.

[tinto]

If you do go for it, I'd suggest chasing the 3yr extended warranty.
Plenty of people (ok probably not that many, but two that I know personally) have had their mechatronic unit replaced under warranty because of erratic behaviour.

FWIW - after two DSG cars, I don't ever plan on having a manual again.
I just don't see the point (plus I'm probably a bit lazy if you dig deeper).

My cars from hereon out will be some form of twin clutch automated manual.
I love it. But you've got to make the call yourself!

[STV4SYT]

I just got back form a test drive in a Pirelli, and loved the DSG in it, probably a better match than with the TDI. although i didnt really get a good chance to Hoon it.

[guliver_twist]

I test drove a golf VI diesel DSG, as well as the 118TSI manual. Very glad I got my manual :)

I just like having absolute control and the precise and smooth wonderful manual in the golf.

I am sure the DSG is the best auto around, but i did not like its gear change points or the inability to smoothly drive half fast... e.g. floor up to 3.5k and shift without hitting the redline...

On that note, each to their own..

[Mr Messy]

Hmm.
I reckon DSG is better for balls-out maximum attack driving. Think about why F1 and Le Mans cars have paddle setups - for maximum efficiency so the driver can get on with the job of nailing brake markers, apexes, blocking Webber etc etc.

My car is a 5 speed Mk4 GTI, but I often drive a DSG Jetta 2.0T and can see that DSG is a very very good thing when you're pressing on. Agree that that the shift mapping is a little wierd.
I put it in pro' selecta mode every time.

[nabes]

I recently had to make the same decision. I think I come from a similar background to you. I test drove both manual and DSG and the Pirelli DSG too. In the end I decided I couldn't live with the DSG in everyday driving, even though it is a blast when going fast, those upchanges are great. It still felt heaps like an auto to me, which I just couldn't deal with that lag off the line, and I knew I would miss changing gear. So I bought the manual, I thought I might have regrets but honestly I have none. The car is made for the twisties and the reality is a good bit of road you basically stick it in 3rd and drive the corners with both hands on the wheel anyways. The car has such a good midrange you don't need to constantly change gears.

Its strange because usually its a real no brainer, an auto is usually slower, less economical and not as involving to drive, but not in this case which means the DSG should come in for serious consideration. The DSG is just not as involving to drive IMHO and performance and economy wise they are so close as to not be different, so I went the manual.

[stephen8512]

ex manual driver here

my time is divided into highway/city driving 60:40. the 40% of the time when i'm actually stuck in traffic, i'm loving the auto box because its just so much more relaxing than having to press the clutch, pop it in 1st, crawl about 40m before you have to stop, press the clutch, brake, pop it in neutral, wait.....wait.....wait...........................w ait.......then go again.

I have the Jetta TFSI and it only came in auto DSG. If there was a manual I would have probably ticked the box because I do like manual driving since I feel like I have more "control" over the car. However, I'm glad it didn't come in manual and I was somewhat "forced" to choose DSG because while the manual may be fun, the DSG is just as fun, if not more comfortable as well.

Putting it into S mode or semi-auto for a fun squirt now and again is great and the pull from the K03 turbo is enough to put a smile on my face (however an APR chip is in order after driving a golf with the chip.....it absolutely bowled me over)

Anyway, thats besides the point. If you DO get a DSG, I doubt you will be disappointed because yes, although it might not be as involved as a manual car, it will be a lot less stress on your left leg, especially if u do quite a bit of city driving

[poyta]

I initially had a DSG on order having heard all the wonderful things about it but after testdriving one I changed the order to manual. Sure it changes gears real quick and probably has a tiny performance and fuel advantage but... sorry felt like a boring auto gearbox to me.

[aristocrat]

It still felt heaps like an auto to me, which I just couldn't deal with that lag off the line, and I knew I would miss changing gear.

Have you heard of launch control:nana:

[kctt]

I have been driving manuals all my life, including the best front-drive manual car on the planet. I even proclaimed once that I would never find driving an auto fun. Then I bought an R32 DSG (recently). I have been getting acquainted with the virtues of the DSG.

Yes, I can see what the fuss about DSGs is. Yes, it's good. But it's not perfect. There are times when in fully automatic mode, it picks a gear too high. Or cruising at 100km/h, I feel the R32 has enough grunt (which it has) to accelerate on 6th - but it kicks down to 5th. Or the + and - on the DSG lever should be the other way around (but not a criticism on the DSG though).

But I have learnt to overcome those problems by mixing auto and manual in my driving. And learnt to enjoy driving in that mode. For 90% of the driving that I do, I am perfectly happy to drive that way. For the 10% of the time when I fang the car - I have also learnt how to make driving pleasurable by using paddles shift. In short, yes, I love the DSG.

Would I go back to a manual? Hmmm... maybe but only if it has the best manual gearbox on the planet. Shifting a good manual is still one of the best experience you get from driving a car.

[Maverick]

I initially had a DSG on order having heard all the wonderful things about it but after testdriving one I changed the order to manual. Sure it changes gears real quick and probably has a tiny performance and fuel advantage but... sorry felt like a boring auto gearbox to me.

1/3rd of a second quicker to 100 over a manual isn't a tiny performance advantage and neither is is the 2/3rds of a second that you gain from using launch control!

[CrazyHorse]

Hi all. I have been lurking for about three months - but have been a member of other forums (previous cars were a Pursuit XR8 Utility and a clubman 7 replica that I built myself).

I drive a MkVI TSI118 DSG for work and have a MkV GTI manual as my personal car - So I get to drive both back to back. I am on the road for a living, and have completed three advanced driving courses.

I like the DSG for about town, but only in S mode - D mode is severely economy biased and lacks initial throttle response IMHO. However S mode kills economy. DSG is great for pushing on, but no better than a manual. DSG does not make you read the road/conditions/traffic any better! Having said that, DSG is a good way of load shedding so that you have more brain space to dedicate to whats going on around you - which is why we use autos etc for work as any SAFE or USEABLE performance gain is not real with modern auto/DSG systems.

Personally I prefer my manual GTI simply because it is more involving to drive and I have full confidence in knowing what the vehicle will do gear wise. The honest truth is that on a public road, modern vehicles are so good now that most performance is excessive to needs and personal preference and 'feel' are the decisive factors (once again IMHO).

For the record the TSI is so good that I would consider not replacing my GTI, but getting a manual TSI instead - I am still worried about the long term reliability of DSG though.

[blutopless2]

If you DO get a DSG, I doubt you will be disappointed because yes, although it might not be as involved as a manual car, it will be a lot less stress on your left leg, especially if u do quite a bit of city driving

cant vouch for that here... it may be less stress on my left leg but more stress in my head as it frustrates the hell outta me with its take off lag etc.
chipping my jetta has improved its behaviour greatly but its still p*$$es me off.
and dont get me started on reversing.... :(

[Sage]

i've loathed autos my whole life, though now im 31 and family on the way i thought i better at least look at DSG before i decided..

I must admit its more like a clutchless manual than an auto..

I like it.. its a good thing. I still prefer manual.. though you cant heal and toe in a golf anyway as once you hit the brake the throttle is disabled..

so you may as well go DSG.

[Johnbu]

GTI DSG here

DSG is fantastic.. for an auto.

quicker than manual, but lacks the feel/control of manual.

sure you can downshift manually in a DSG to get max exit speed, but I feel like i'm just fooling myself its a manual.

I got DSG because I needed an auto car for my GF.

if you don't need an auto car, get a manual.

the manual GTI gearbox/clutch is a joy to use.

[jets]

When I bought my Mk5, I didn't even test drive the DSG. At my last service I used a DSG loan car & found it didn't do it for me. I enjoy driving & find it far more satisfying with the manual.
What CrazyHorse & poyta said pretty much sums it up for me as well.

[Zed!]

Similar to Sage, I can’t stand Autos, however my wife has an Auto license so the R32 had to be DSG. I’ve always had manuals, the 6sp in my 350z was sublime. So I really wasn’t looking forward to going from that to a DSG. And yeah when it’s in ‘D’ for all intents and purposes it’s an Auto box, but I always use the flappy paddles. I like to be able to choose the gear I want and not have it choose for me. When driving it hard, round a corner, for example, the gear changes are so quick you can choose whatever gear you want within milliseconds. And even with the DSGs various flaws, that capability alone, makes it far superior to a manual box. I kind of wish I’d never driven a DSG, because I love driving a manual car, it’s so much more involving, but it would be hard for me to go back to one now. I would hazard a guess that most performance cars will be offering DSG style boxes as standard within a few years and manuals will eventually disappear. We’ll probably laugh in 30 years time about how we had to take one hand of the wheel to change gears, as we cruise around in our new GTI mark XX with it’s voice recognition gearbox.

[GTI32]

...We’ll probably laugh in 30 years time about how we had to take one hand of the wheel to change gears, as we cruise around in our new GTI mark XX with it’s voice recognition gearbox.


Some of us are laughing already :nana:

[poyta]

I'm amazed at the number of people who's reason for choosing a DSG is "because my wife/girlfriend can't drive manual". What is it with women and not being able to drive manual. My wife tried that angle with me and I just put here in a manual car and said " here you go..learn". She is now thankful that she can drive a manual.

[r32dsg]

I'm amazed at the number of people who's reason for choosing a DSG is "because my wife/girlfriend can't drive manual". What is it with women and not being able to drive manual. My wife tried that angle with me and I just put here in a manual car and said " here you go..learn". She is now thankful that she can drive a manual.

In the same boat too. I guess i should be more harsh but the last thing i want is her being in a accident cause she couldn't drive manual properly.

[Maverick]

I'm amazed at the number of people who's reason for choosing a DSG is "because my wife/girlfriend can't drive manual". What is it with women and not being able to drive manual. My wife tried that angle with me and I just put here in a manual car and said " here you go..learn". She is now thankful that she can drive a manual.

It's just an excuse so they don't have to justify choosing a DSG gearbox to the Manual fanbois.

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[triode12]

I have a good excuse for going DSG...Pirelli's only come with DSGs.

But truthfully...I am one of those who had to buy a car with auto transmission bec my other half won't drive anything else. The wife actually drives the car more than I do and wears the pants in the house [cough]....

Tested a GTI with DSG a month ago and was sold on it immediately. Much nicer to drive than a normal auto transmission IMO - no lag.

[Sharkie]

1/3rd of a second quicker to 100 over a manual isn't a tiny performance advantage and neither is is the 2/3rds of a second that you gain from using launch control!

Sorry but DSG is actually no quicker than a manual. VW times its performance from the moment the car starts moving and not when the lights turn green. They suffered huge embarrassment when they took the MK5 GTI to the drag strip in a press stunt and the manuals beat the DSGs every single run......

Sure DSG shifts quicker but it has that annoying lag when you move off. Every press test in the world has reported on that .......:frown: ... and almost every test I have ever read has stated their preference for a manual.


And you cannot use launch control at every traffic light you stop at, so that too is a useless argument.

MK6 GTI now also has identical 0-100km/h figures for the manual and DSG.

I accept that in a commuting role the DSG makes a lot of sense and if that is where you will be using it most of the time, go for it. If however you like a spirited drive with driver envolvement go the manual.

And to top it off, Fifth Gear in the UK, in season 16 episode 2 (ie 2 weeks ago) pitted the Cayman S PDK (Porsche's DSG) and Cayman S manual against each other on their track and the manual was half a second quicker ......

EDIT ... and I know of a prominent tuner that cancelled his Pirelli order when he learned it only came in DSG ......

[bwen]

I'm amazed at the number of people who's reason for choosing a DSG is "because my wife/girlfriend can't drive manual". What is it with women and not being able to drive manual. My wife tried that angle with me and I just put here in a manual car and said " here you go..learn". She is now thankful that she can drive a manual.

Easy to say I guess but harder to execute, especially if you and your wife both have full time jobs and 2 kids to look after, learning how to drive is probably the last time our spare time would go towards. Sometimes the most convient option is to pick the automatic route because not all of us are racers you know :)

In saying that, this has been my first automatic car out of my last 7 but I don't think it will be my last if the DSG technology keeps evolving in the future

[Mr Messy]

But truthfully...I am one of those who had to buy a car with auto transmission bec my other half won't drive anything else. The wife actually drives the car more than I do and wears the pants in the house [cough]....


My old man (49yo) was in the same boat. He took mum to test drive a Liberty spec B but she wouldn't touch it as it was manual. :frown: So he thought :idea: "MKV GTI, brilliant", and took her to VW.

She immediately said no to the GTI, because it didn't have a boot and therefore couldn't haul shopping. :brutal:

So they got a Jetta (wife wants boot) DSG (wife wants auto) 2.0T (dad needs turbo) as a compromise. :driver:

My wife likes driving manual, and only ever has had manual cars (Mini, Corolla, my Mk4) and I'm afraid to stick her in an auto in case she gets lazy, lol.

[Rileyowner]

I'm amazed at the number of people who's reason for choosing a DSG is "because my wife/girlfriend can't drive manual". What is it with women and not being able to drive manual. My wife tried that angle with me and I just put here in a manual car and said " here you go..learn". She is now thankful that she can drive a manual.

It's nothing to do with women. I suspect most of these guys don't have a wife, a girlfriend or a manual licence:)

[Maverick]

Sorry but DSG is actually no quicker than a manual. VW times its performance from the moment the car starts moving and not when the lights turn green. They suffered huge embarrassment when they took the MK5 GTI to the drag strip in a press stunt and the manuals beat the DSGs every single run......

There have been plenty of reviews where the DSG has beaten the manual.

And the DSG can take off without lag, you have to understand how the gearbox operates under different conditions.


Sure DSG shifts quicker but it has that annoying lag when you move off. Every press test in the world has reported on that .......:frown: ... and almost every test I have ever read has stated their preference for a manual.

Almost every test I've seen has raved about the DSG :moonie: Very few people have anything bad to say about it.


And you cannot use launch control at every traffic light you stop at, so that too is a useless argument.

And you can't dump the clutch at every traffic light either but the point is that with launch control the 0-100 time drops by around 2/3rds of a second. There's a reason why it's been banned in F1 and it's the advantage it gives the drivers.


MK6 GTI now also has identical 0-100km/h figures for the manual and DSG.

VW have always been conservative with their 0-100 times and I'm sure that the same applies here, their other models are still advertised with a difference between the two and the DSG can shift many many many times faster than a manual driver can allowing you to stay on boost and change gears in corners.


I accept that in a commuting role the DSG makes a lot of sense and if that is where you will be using it most of the time, go for it. If however you like a spirited drive with driver envolvement go the manual.

I'll agree with the first point and disagree with the second :eek:


And to top it off, Fifth Gear in the UK, in season 16 episode 2 (ie 2 weeks ago) pitted the Cayman S PDK (Porsche's DSG) and Cayman S manual against each other on their track and the manual was half a second quicker ......

Other reviews show the opposite, fifth gear is absolute rubbish and the quality of the segments and reviewers on that show is absolutely rock bottom. If you had said top gear or any other show I'd be more inclined to take it on board but I saw the "review" and it was pointless.

The manual has some good points but in my opinion many "bad" points, I drive in traffic each day and the changing of gears constantly would annoy me, the DSG is faster and is fantastic technology but it requires you to work with it to get the most out of it under all conditions and once you get to know the box operates and what it can do you wouldn't go back to manual. You can change gears mid corner and not upset the car and change back a second later, all of this gives you gains and it's only a matter of time before DSG is the only gearbox you can buy with cars.

[brisgtimkv]

The manual has some good points but in my opinion many "bad" points, I drive in traffic each day and the changing of gears constantly would annoy me, the DSG is faster and is fantastic technology but it requires you to work with it to get the most out of it under all conditions and once you get to know the box operates and what it can do you wouldn't go back to manual. You can change gears mid corner and not upset the car and change back a second later, all of this gives you gains and it's only a matter of time before DSG is the only gearbox you can buy with cars.

Exactly. DSG is not a replacement for the driver's brain. You learned how to drive a manual afterall, as opposed to just hopping into the car and waggling the gear stick around. Where people get into trouble is when they think 'it's auto I don't need to learn how it works or how to use it best'. I drove manual my whole life and I'm never going back from dual clutch boxes. The gti wouldn't be the same without exhaust *blat*s and being thrown around when downshifting while braking hard for corners. :biggrin:

[blutopless2]

maybe the opinion of the dsg also is related to the car in which it is used.?
seems those with the gti are more in favour of it. is this due to the paddle shift also?
i know they are not the same car... but i prefer to drive our manual polo gti to our chipped TSI jetta with the dsg.
so mavericks comment on "you wouldn't go back to manual" certainly doesn't apply to me. I would LOVE a 6 speed manual in the jetta TSI

[maca]

I'm amazed at the number of people who's reason for choosing a DSG is "because my wife/girlfriend can't drive manual". What is it with women and not being able to drive manual. My wife tried that angle with me and I just put here in a manual car and said " here you go..learn". She is now thankful that she can drive a manual.
Haha if one day my other half can't drive a manual.. They'll be learning! But I bought a DSG not only for the crap Brisbane traffic but also so my friends could drive it when I needed them to (all have Auto licenses, even the guys*).

DSG = Automatic. Even though in the technicalities it's not, you can't deny it's practically an auto car with all the characteristics. Forget about the whole 'fast shifting' and ask yourself if you really want an auto. I would've gotten the auto box even if it wasn't a DSG (FSI model was an option for a while).


*Not being stereotypical, just informative.

[Mr Messy]

...But I bought a DSG... so my friends could drive it when I needed them to (all have Auto licenses, even the guys).


That sucks, seriously.
I reckon an auto licence is . Unless you're a stroke victim or otherwise impaired it shouldn't be an option. And anyone with an 'Auto' licence shouldn't dare call themselves a car enthusiast.

[VW Convert]

Haha if one day my other half can't drive a manual.. They'll be learning!

Thats what you think! LOL I can hear all the married men on this forum laughing at that comment!


DSG = Automatic. Even though in the technicalities it's not, you can't deny it's practically an auto car with all the characteristics. Forget about the whole 'fast shifting' and ask yourself if you really want an auto. I would've gotten the auto box even if it wasn't a DSG (FSI model was an option for a while).

Yes, it is an auto even though it has very different characteristics to a conventional auto and I love it.

I laugh at the claims about whether a DSG car is quicker than a manual or not, the reality is we don't race over the standing 1/4 day to day so what does it matter whether one is claimed to be 2/10th of a second quicker!

Each to their own, if you like a manual buy one, if you like an auto, buy a DSG, it's the best auto going.

Cheers

George

[gareth_oau]

Haha if one day my other half can't drive a manual.. They'll be learning!

Wrong Maca, its time for a new other half!! LOL

[triode12]

Thats what you think! LOL I can hear all the married men on this forum laughing at that comment!



Yes, it is an auto even though it has very different characteristics to a conventional auto and I love it.

I laugh at the claims about whether a DSG car is quicker than a manual or not, the reality is we don't race over the standing 1/4 day to day so what does it matter whether one is claimed to be 2/10th of a second quicker!

Each to their own, if you like a manual buy one, if you like an auto, buy a DSG, it's the best auto going.

Cheers

George

That is if you can get a manual tranny in a MkV.
Apparently all the GTi (147kw) left in stock are DSG and that has been the case for weeks now.

[STV4SYT]

That is if you can get a manual tranny in a MkV.
Apparently all the GTi (147kw) left in stock are DSG and that has been the case for weeks now.


This is true, i was looking yesterday.....

Only DSG in GTI and the occasional Manual R32

[maca]

Thats what you think! LOL I can hear all the married men on this forum laughing at that comment!

I laugh at the claims about whether a DSG car is quicker than a manual or not, the reality is we don't race over the standing 1/4 day to day so what does it matter whether one is claimed to be 2/10th of a second quicker!



Wrong Maca, its time for a new other half!! LOL

Haha the best 2 pieces of information i've heard in a long time!

I wouldn't have spent the extra money on a DSG if a standard Auto was available. The change in 0.08s is pretty cool and yeah it's definitely the best 'Auto' box out. But seeing as i've got it, I love watching that needle flick down!!

[M4RK0]

I'm driving a manual now, and I love to play with the gears and have the control of my gearbox, but definitely my next will be a DSG, :driver:

Cheers!

[Nathan_B]

Hey mate, I've been driving manual since I was a teenager and I have gone through 7 different sports cars all manual of course. My MKV GTI was the first 'automatic' (2 pedal) car I have owned mainly because I have simply grown out of that whole modified japanese import car scene. I have driven automatic cars in the past and they were always so bland and boring mainly because people never really associated sports cars with automatic transmission. I quite enjoy my DSG GTI, I do a lot of city driving now so it helps quite a bit when I'm stuck in peak hour traffic at 8am every morning with my brain still half a sleep...

I still have my small speed thrist sometimes though and giving the car some gas with the DSG gearbox is quite good, much better than any automatic car I have driven in the past as of course it is still a 6 speed with two clutches (I'm sure you know how DSG works!) and there is still always the triptronic style padle and gearbox shifting

Another reason why I grabbed DSG was because my wife only drives automatic.

We could be twins?

a) only ever driven manual cars
b) said i would never drive an auto
c) test drove the dsg
d) purchased DSG
e) mrs only drives auto = i can now sink a couple bottles when we go out and she can drive home :)

[Candyman]

And anyone with an 'Auto' licence shouldn't dare call themselves a car enthusiast.

Ooops, pity for all those owners of supercars ..... :nana:

Seriously, if having a clutch pedal means you are a car enthusiast, the whole experience is still to be had.

As was said, if you want manual, buy DSG, if you want auto, buy DSG :biggrin:

[blackmagic]

We could be twins?

a) only ever driven manual cars
b) said i would never drive an auto
c) test drove the dsg
d) purchased DSG
e) mrs only drives auto = i can now sink a couple bottles when we go out and she can drive home :)

same here :)

[maca]

We could be twins?

a) only ever driven manual cars
b) said i would never drive an auto
c) test drove the dsg
d) purchased DSG
e) mrs only drives auto = i can now sink a couple bottles when we go out and she can drive home :)
Somehow I think that's the situation of many on here....
Only with me, the 'Mrs' is replaced with friends.

[DAN682]

Thanks.. I agree my manual shifting will not come close to auto shifting, just wondering if there's lots of ex-manual people with regrets, or happy experiences. Maybe I should do a poll :) Guess it's been done before.

I am a die hard manual car owner, however I have never once been dissapointed with how fun the DSG is.

Firstly the practicality:
My fiancé can't drive a manual to save her life so she can drive the car.
I can't drink and drive and change gears so the DSG is great in D :biggrin:

Secondly
I love how quick the changes are
The fuel economy (this may have something to do with mine being a 1.4L though )
How much fun the car sounds on down shifts when it rev matches

You will not be disappointed