Who is planning on buying an Amarok ?

[phaeton]

I will after its been out a year so I know what specs to buy.

I would like the following

base version
-4x4
-Dual Cab
-TDI
-Manual
-Metallic Grey, Silver or White
-Safety Pack if such a thing is required - ESP & Curtain Airbags etc (should be standard IMO)
-Coloured coded bumpers

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[gerhard]

Mine will be white :)

V6 diesel if offered, depends on how the 2.0l is reviewed.

Hopefully it won't have a DPF.......

It will probably be so nice to drive, I might prefer it to the GTI :eek:

[phaeton]

Mine will be white :)

V6 diesel if offered, depends on how the 2.0l is reviewed.

Hopefully it won't have a DPF.......

It will probably be so nice to drive, I might prefer it to the GTI :eek:

Going from what I read so far your last statement maybe true :D

On the V6 TDI front I doubt it due mainly to $$$$$$

[Seano]

Can't see myself buying one....tray and rear seating is just too small to be anything other than decorative...as with most dual cab utes. Which is why I bought a DOKA in the first place.

Given the very likely relatively small price differential between the dual cab 4x4 Amarok (typical equiv dual cab upwards from 38K plus onroads) and the Transporter dual cab (upwards from 38K plus on roads to about $46K plus on roads for 4Motion version)....I know which one I'd be saving extra for.

[Lams]

radio and door trims cost extra?
headlight protectors look cheap

[greasykitchen]

headlight protectors look cheap

They look cracked...:eek:

[RhysQ]

They look cracked...:eek:

i'm not sure if that was just a joke but it's the protective 'glad wrap' they put on for transportation.

[Treza360]

Do we have some more clearer pictures. Depending on what I'm doing soon after they're released, I'd contemplate one as a daily drive/work vehicle. Hopefully it's a fair bit more civilised than some of the other sporty trucks/utes on the market.
Cheers,
Trent

[GoLfMan]

i'd buy one if it came in a V6TDI and was a good price

[phaeton]

radio and door trims cost extra?
headlight protectors look cheap

Its a pre-production mule, radio and door card will be standard.


Do we have some more clearer pictures. Depending on what I'm doing soon after they're released, I'd contemplate one as a daily drive/work vehicle. Hopefully it's a fair bit more civilised than some of the other sporty trucks/utes on the market.
Cheers,
Trent

No these are spy pictures.

VW are saying this will be best in class for handling and ride.

[ptannerford]

from what I've been told, it won't have the V6 TDI (that we all seem to love, as do I).. but a class of new gen. diesels.. targetting fuel economy of 8l/100km

which is a far cry from the 11 I'm getting with my Nissan D40 king cab.. like an earlier post, mine will be white, too.

regards,
Paul.

[GoLfMan]

from what I've been told, it won't have the V6 TDI (that we all seem to love, as do I).. but a class of new gen. diesels.. targetting fuel economy of 8l/100km

which is a far cry from the 11 I'm getting with my Nissan D40 king cab.. like an earlier post, mine will be white, too.

regards,
Paul.
ahhh bugger it. No way I'll be getting it then.

I like utes to have some poke! (not that the other TDI's wont, but you know what I'm saying)

[phaeton]

For one the V6 TDI and anything above (V8, V10 & V12) is to expensive to put in what essentially is a workhorse especially in a recession.

Typing all this though I predict wicked conversions and concepts in the future from Tuners and VW.

The rumour at the moment is twin turbo 2.0 TDI which as Paul stated will offer combined cycle figure of just under 8L per 100km which will be best in class.

More details should leak through by September.......

[gerhard]

New Touareg is rumoured to come with the 2.7 downsized version of the 3.0 V6 engine.

We can always hope this will find its way into Amy and then the tuning chips should see some results. :)

[Seano]

We can always hope this will find its way into Amy and then the tuning chips should see some results. :)

Amy? Surely not!

Frankly....given that this is supposed to be a cheap dual cab ute to go toe to toe with the Asian dual cabs.......best in class for handling and ride should be a doddle.

And the engine should be as underpowered as possible - anything better will just upset the apple cart!! Honestly, as a light commercial vehicle, this particular vehicle shouldn't need/require the V6TDi.......that engine would be better targeted at a vehicle that can actually carry a load (as opposed to a couple of packs of Lego)....like the Transporter or Crafter.

[Transporter]

this particular vehicle shouldn't need/require the V6TDi.......that engine would be better targeted at a vehicle that can actually carry a load (as opposed to a couple of packs of Lego)....like the Transporter or Crafter.

I couldn't agree more.
+1 for that comment.

[phaeton]

Amy? Surely not!

Frankly....given that this is supposed to be a cheap dual cab ute to go toe to toe with the Asian dual cabs.......best in class for handling and ride should be a doddle.

And the engine should be as underpowered as possible - anything better will just upset the apple cart!! Honestly, as a light commercial vehicle, this particular vehicle shouldn't need/require the V6TDi.......that engine would be better targeted at a vehicle that can actually carry a load (as opposed to a couple of packs of Lego)....like the Transporter or Crafter.

Cheap VW :eek: :biggrin:

One tonne of lego isn't anything to laugh at :nana:

I don't think T5 or Crafter should get the V6 TDI either that would just make them even more pricey.

[gerhard]

I couldn't agree more.
+1 for that comment.


Amy? Surely not!

Frankly....given that this is supposed to be a cheap dual cab ute to go toe to toe with the Asian dual cabs.......best in class for handling and ride should be a doddle.

And the engine should be as underpowered as possible - anything better will just upset the apple cart!! Honestly, as a light commercial vehicle, this particular vehicle shouldn't need/require the V6TDi.......that engine would be better targeted at a vehicle that can actually carry a load (as opposed to a couple of packs of Lego)....like the Transporter or Crafter.


Sorry boys, disagree completely with your view that load carrying is everything.

It's not everything.

You forget towing, which is something most transporters never do, but which most dual cabs do frequently. Boats, Campet trailers, etc.

A V6 TDI will be much better for towing. Just ask Nissan 2.5 owners how much fuel they use when towing anything other than a box trailer load of feathers. No matter how many torques the 2.0 twin turbo will have, it will always be worse for towing than the 3.0 V6 TDI.

[Transporter]

Sorry boys, disagree completely with your view that load carrying is everything.

It's not everything.

You forget towing, which is something most transporters never do, but which most dual cabs do frequently. Boats, Campet trailers, etc.

A V6 TDI will be much better for towing. Just ask Nissan 2.5 owners how much fuel they use when towing anything other than a box trailer load of feathers. No matter how many torques the 2.0 twin turbo will have, it will always be worse for towing than the 3.0 V6 TDI.

Ok, we won't be greedy than and we will allow some V6TDI to be fitted to dual cabs only. :biggrin:
Nissan 2.5TD with auto is bad on fuel even empty especially these fitted with DPF.

[Seano]

Sorry boys, disagree completely with your view that load carrying is everything.

It's not everything.

You forget towing, which is something most transporters never do, but which most dual cabs do frequently. Boats, Campet trailers, etc.

A V6 TDI will be much better for towing. Just ask Nissan 2.5 owners how much fuel they use when towing anything other than a box trailer load of feathers. No matter how many torques the 2.0 twin turbo will have, it will always be worse for towing than the 3.0 V6 TDI.

Then perhaps someone not interested in carrying a load BUT more likely to tow it around behind them would be better off with a Touareg or a Passat wagon instead....

It's a problem when consumers pick the wrong horse for the wrong course.....as a result of a lifestyle pipe dream.

[Seano]

Cheap VW :eek: :biggrin:

I don't think T5 or Crafter should get the V6 TDI either that would just make them even more pricey.

Ha!! Yes I know there's no such thing as a 'cheap' VW.....unless it wears a Skoda badge perhaps.

Neither T5 or Crafter need a V6 TDi in any case.......good gearing (and low down torque - not what a V6 is good at) is more important in a commercial vehicle than tonnes of acceleration.

[gerhard]

Then perhaps someone not interested in carrying a load BUT more likely to tow it around behind them would be better off with a Touareg or a Passat wagon instead....

It's a problem when consumers pick the wrong horse for the wrong course.....as a result of a lifestyle pipe dream.


Perhaps someone not interested in carrying a load but more likely to tow prefers not to put hay bales and tip rubbish into the back of a Touareg or Passat Wagon.

Again you persist with a warped view - why? Just because I said the Amorak would be nice with a V6 you are telling me I should buy a Passat Wagon or a Transporter instead. Weird thought process.....lifestyle pipe dream - where the hell did you dream that up?

And you can hardly tow a Camper trailer to Cape York behind a Passat, which doesn't come with a V6 diesel either.

[Transporter]

Other utes have V6, so why Amarok couldn't have it as well. Assuming that there would be plenty V6 TDI's for T5 and Crafters. :biggrin:
I see it as there could be "R" class Amarok later.

[phaeton]

Other utes have V6, so why Amarok couldn't have it as well. Assuming that there would be plenty V6 TDI's for T5 and Crafters. :biggrin:
I see it as there could be "R" class Amarok later.

There won't be an R line Amarok as VW only do R line on the Passenger range......however expect a Sportline range ala Caddy and Transporter :biggrin:

(so in theory VW could squeeze a V6 TDI but I doubt it)

[Transporter]

There won't be an R line Amarok as VW only do R line on the Passenger range......however expect a Sportline range ala Caddy and Transporter :biggrin:

(so in theory VW could squeeze a V6 TDI but I doubt it)

Great, that will do. :)

[DionM]

Any indicative pricing or release dates at all?

[phaeton]

Any indicative pricing or release dates at all?

Late 2010.

Will undercut Hilux.

[DionM]

Late 2010.

Will undercut Hilux.

Awesome. Any ideas on interior space as to what it may be comparable to?

[phaeton]

Best in class Dion.

VW are building the biggest vehicle in this segment know as midsize in US; the Japanese manufacturers have been restricted due to regulations in Japan.

[DionM]

Best in class Dion.

VW are building the biggest vehicle in this segment know as midsize in US; the Japanese manufacturers have been restricted due to regulations in Japan.

Gee I hope your info is rock solid, this is sounding exactly what I need ...

[Prestige_GTI]

Spoke to a guy at Volkswagen

Is coming out with the twin turbo motor

Will be out later next year

The engine bay makes the engine look small and could fit the V6TDI

Volkswagen have no plans to fit the V6TDI at this stage

The new motor is built and tested to be an absolute workhorse and they said
once everyone experiences it they wont need the V6TDI.

The twin turbo motor will be out early next year in the new Transporters!

Remember that Volkswagen is working on small engines with big outputs. With new developments and going from history,Volkswagen doesn't make mistakes with new engine variants.

I cant wait to drive one!

[DionM]

Sounds promising and sounds like it is ticking all the boxes for me.

I have a 2001 Jeep Cherokee that we use for family duties and moderate offroading. We need more space for our expanding family (currently 1 kid, planning for more). Plus with 175000kms on the odo its feeling a little bit tired (but still going strong).

4WD ability (low range), interior space (kids in rear seat, and I'm 6'8"), road manners, towing capacity (for our offroad camper trailer). Don't really need a ute but a canopy will make that more useful (wonder if they'll ever do a wagon version).

I can't bring myself to fork out $70k+ (Touareg, Land cruiser, etc) for a 4WD that I will use offroad on the beach, bush etc. I had looked briefly at some of the dual cab utes from the Japanese but nothing really tickled my fancy. This has.

[mrpayne]

It should be 10-15% bigger than Hilux according to the product training guy, didn't say anything about engines though

[phaeton]

It should be 10-15% bigger than Hilux according to the product training guy, didn't say anything about engines though

Interesting........

Any other goss on this ?

[mrpayne]

Nothing except further rumour of twin turbo 4 cylinder, and a top line sports variant looking quite similar to the SAR concept but without the SAR gear obviously. Aiming to be comparable with Hilux on price, and like has been mentioned above, looking at best in class performance and economy.

Should be good, cannot wait.

[Sharkie]

I'm quite interested in buying 1. Have a 10yr old Triton TDiesel DC 4x4 that I'd happily exchange for this.

Preferably I'd want it with a 2.0TFSI but will setlle for a twin turbo TDI if I have to :rolleyes:

EDIT .. and on the useability debate on it ....

I see it as a lifestyle vehicle, the type to take on a beach, go camping, lug kids with bicycles around, do a Bunnings run etc .... If I wanted a commercial I'd buy a Transporter or Canter etc .......

Currently the DC I have does all the lifestyle things I want perfectly and having a VW do that for me would be awesome .....

[team_v]

Twin turbo TDI + DPF Delete would be a winner :D

[DionM]

My ideal machine would be a bit more room than Hilux (to make it usable as a 'family' vehicle) - I don't care about a huge tray. Hi + low range, factory rear diff lock and easy to lift about 2". Would be perfect. DSG would be nice but not essential - but please no manuals.

Then would just have to wait for ARB to release bullbar and rear step bar, and a canopy to suit, and all would be good.

[mrpayne]

They wouldn't do DSG, it would be a convertor auto, same as with Tiguan and Touareg, DSG apparently isn't much chop off road.

[phaeton]

They wouldn't do DSG, it would be a convertor auto, same as with Tiguan and Touareg, DSG apparently isn't much chop off road.

Glad to hear.

[Tornado T5]

They wouldn't do DSG, it would be a convertor auto, same as with Tiguan and Touareg, DSG apparently isn't much chop off road.Could that have changed now that there is going to be a T5.2 4motion DSG 7sp. Although I realise a T5 usually doesn't go offroading to the same degree as the Tig/Tour.

[gerhard]

Snorkel would be essential for success in Aus amongst the off-road crowd.

[Seano]

Snorkel would be essential for success in Aus amongst the off-road crowd.

Flippers might help to. Just to really bang home the argument.

There's only two things that will help the Ammorack be a success. Price. And perhaps (just perhaps) performance. But more likely 'price' and 'marketing' since this segment is very very price sensitive. And VW are lousy at 'price' despite being very good marketers.

[mrpayne]

Could that have changed now that there is going to be a T5.2 4motion DSG 7sp. Although I realise a T5 usually doesn't go offroading to the same degree as the Tig/Tour.

I can't say I would know to tell you the truth. In all training we have had to this date, they have said they don't/won't use DSG in off-road vehicles.

I do not keep that up to date on commercial, I specialise in the passenger range, so the update 4Motion using DSG was news to me.

Interesting regardless, means that maybe Amarok could possibly be DSG, although I would prefer just straight auto.

[phaeton]

I doubt Amarok will have DSG simply because it will be built for and by Developing Markets.

That said anything is possible within the VW Group.

[ptannerford]

Hi,

Here is more information from VW about the upcoming Amarok..

December 15th looks like the date to watch out for..

http://www.central.volkswagen-commercial-vehicles.com/etc/medialib/vwcms/virtualmaster/de_vwn/tct/launch_emosite.Par.0015.File.html?culture=en_COM

regards,

Paul.

[phaeton]

Anymore Amarok lovers ?

[Sharkie]

Anymore Amarok lovers ?

Love it ... but won't buy it ... just doesn't look tough enough to me ... happy to be proven wrong though ... :cool:

[phantomcamel]

The key points for this car to succeed in Australia are (in my humble opinion):

after market accesories such as bull/nudge bars, snorkel...
distribution
pricing


I have addressed the accesories question with the head of VW Commercial and he fully agrees. Lets see if he can convince his superiors.
ARB - as mentioned in a previous post - are one of the first to by an AMAROK; so as oposed to the Touareg & Tiguan there seems to be a positive trend. Considering that the development of a bullbar osts ARB in the vicinity of $150,000, they obviously believe in the AMOROK in terms of numbers, otherwise they wouldn't touch it.
Distribution is another key. Originally I believe the AMAROK was only going to be sold in the Commercial centres. Having previously worked in a passenger car dealership, I have been a strong advocate for the car being sold both in Commercial AND Passenger car dealerships. Considering the limited dealership network in Australia, Michael form VW Commercial fully agrees. Particular with Dualcab utes onsidered to be just as much a fun/family vehicle as it is a commercial vehicle.
Pricing is another key - if it is smartly priced it certainly will give the Toyota HILUX a run for its money.

One "downfall" for VW at the moment is the limited dealer network. There is a good reason why I only came across one Touareg up in the Kimberlies compared to dozens of Toyotas - the ability to get them fixed anywhere easy in Australia.If you breakdown with your VW 4WD anywhere up the north of WA you either get towed to Darwin or Perth or wait a long time for spares - on second thoughts in that neck of the wood not a bad idea...

[Seano]

VW have the same service issue anywhere away from the eastern seaboard as well....in Australia, the Amathingy is most definitely not going to be a country based ute in any significant numbers. Except perhaps along the eastern coastline, southern Victoria and the Tablelands of NSW. So the idea that it is going to challenge the Hilux is laughably funny. It might be better and cheaper but unless the Amawhat is locally supported....then it won't sell in Hilux numbers. More like Mahindra numbers.

[gavs]

Well, I think I can now be classed as an Amarok lover, apparently this thing goes and goes hard, speeds of 150km have quite easily been acheived, with the engine still going strong!

Cant wait to see a bullbar ready for this thing, along with 2" suspension lift, this will be one mean looking muther kitted out, she's a wide one, I think people are going to be surprised when they see the size of it, especially with all the cabin room, the tub is approx 35mm shorter than a Hilux yet the whole vehicle is approx 80mm longer than the 'lux, all of which is basically in the rear seat.

Suspension is brilliantly designed (going by the photos) in that VW has kept the hardpoint alongside the chassis, (which maintains the roll-centre) and the rear leafs are over-axle type.

Time to start counting down the days.........


Considering that the development of a bullbar osts ARB in the vicinity of $150,000 Geez, never thought it would cost them that much to make a bullbar, it's really only just a few bits of steel welded together!

[phantomcamel]

Geez, never thought it would cost them that much to make a bullbar, it's really only just a few bits of steel welded together! This came straight from John @ ARB here in Perth; I guess it is the whole design stage PLUS a lot of strenght testing PLUS the money they have to pay for ADR apprval?

[phantomcamel]

...unless the Amawhat is locally supported....then it won't sell in Hilux numbers. More like Mahindra numbers. I tend to agree with you there.

[phaeton]

I doubt it will sell as badly as the SsangYong and Mahindra.

VW are targeting a modest 5000 units annually which is around 416 units a month on average.

[gavs]

I guess it is the whole design stage PLUS a lot of strenght testing PLUS the money they have to pay for ADR apprval?

Hmmm, well the engineers that do the bullbars generally have a generic mount they use to gain a force distribution curve in material displacement, also known as a crush curve. This gives them the figures to see if it matches the OE data in the force distribution for airbag compliance etc. Problem is that the crash beam, which is generally bolted onto other cars is welded to the front of the chassis rails on the Amarok which can be difficult for bullbar mounting.

The ADRs are complied to throughout the build process I believe, it is only when audited that compliance needs to be proved, though all the components adhere from the get-go.

The office estimate puts development around the $30,000 mark, but that is only estimates....... I'm looking forward to the boat departing friday, then we just count down the days.... I believe it is approx 6 weeks from Santiago to Melbourne......

I have something waiting in the wings for the Amarok, can't wait to start working on it.....

[swingn]

Looks a bit too much like a Hi-Lux for me... But depending on the final price point they come out here at (A Hi-Lux is actually pretty damn expensive) it could be a real goer.

Probably won't be a replacement for a van IMO, but could be a very good alternative to the aforementioned Hi-Lux & the like.

[Seano]

I doubt it will sell as badly as the SsangYong and Mahindra.

VW are targeting a modest 5000 units annually which is around 416 units a month on average.

Modest? 416 units out of monthly 4x2 &4x4 ute sales of around 12,000 is less than modest...it's almost invisible. I wonder how much of a loss VWA planning on making on each unit?

I agree though....Mahindra might have been a bad comparison and Ssangyong is little better (67 units for April 2010) . At those figures, it is more like Izuzu (381 units for April 2010) or Great Wall (428 units for April 2010). Not exactly....aspirational.

Obviously VWA are not targeting fleet sales for the Amarok...wonder why?

[gavs]

The problem is that fleet buyers have a very specific set of parameters that they have to work to and with the every-growing issue off stupidity and finger pointing, fleets now want to provide the most idiot-proof vehicles out there for their staff, hence why the generally use 4x4, automatic hiluxs because at the flick of a lever, the car can basically drive itself, all the driver has to do is steer.

With the electronic complexity of the Amarok, don't be surprised if that is the reason that VWA is projecting those figures. Your generic "off-roader" doesn't like anything electronic because they either can't operate it or (more often the case) feel threatened by it, hence why the uptake of the Prado and 200 series 'Cruiser seem to be in suburbs that have high incomes, not in the suburbs with the demographic of "off-roaders".

All it generally takes is for one vehicle to be kitted out with off-road gear to sway opinion though ;)

[gerhard]

The problem is that fleet buyers have a very specific set of parameters that they have to work to and with the every-growing issue off stupidity and finger pointing, fleets now want to provide the most idiot-proof vehicles out there for their staff, hence why the generally use 4x4, automatic hiluxs because at the flick of a lever, the car can basically drive itself, all the driver has to do is steer.

With the electronic complexity of the Amarok, don't be surprised if that is the reason that VWA is projecting those figures. Your generic "off-roader" doesn't like anything electronic because they either can't operate it or (more often the case) feel threatened by it, hence why the uptake of the Prado and 200 series 'Cruiser seem to be in suburbs that have high incomes, not in the suburbs with the demographic of "off-roaders".

All it generally takes is for one vehicle to be kitted out with off-road gear to sway opinion though ;)


With all respects, that business about "complexity" putting off fleet buyers because their drivers are stupid sounds like rubbish to me.

VW will be targeting the quantity they are targeting because that is the share they can get of world production.

Let's face it, VW would be way higher than 10th on sales if they could supply the demand. Buyers are very fickle - they won't wait 6 or more months to buy the VW of their choice, they'll go buy the Honda or Subaru that they can get into next week when their finance is approved.

[gavs]

With all respects, that business about "complexity" putting off fleet buyers because their drivers are stupid sounds like rubbish to me.

VW will be targeting the quantity they are targeting because that is the share they can get of world production.

Let's face it, VW would be way higher than 10th on sales if they could supply the demand. Buyers are very fickle - they won't wait 6 or more months to buy the VW of their choice, they'll go buy the Honda or Subaru that they can get into next week when their finance is approved.


Yes, I can see your point, but the reality of it here at work is that out of all the fleet vehicles we kit out, the only ones that are anything more than simple to operate are the TD 4.2 Patrol cab chassis vehicles for telstra because they only come in a manual with manual locking hubs, manual differentials and manual hi-low range operation format. We have access to the data that comes out on vehicle sales, opinions, ratios of who and what are buying and where and that is what all the empircal evidence points to. The harder something is for an operator to screw up, the better for these fleets because it means they don't have to go through a complex training operation every time that they have a vehicle failure because someone lunched the transfer case while going into 4H at 100kph, or someone used the tow point on the bullbar to snatch another vehicle off and ripped half the chassis apart. Unless it's as simple as 1 button on the dash, then these vehicles with all their passive and active switchable safety devices and off-road systems will only be a customer based vehicle. I can see the 2wd version being a fleet vehicle, but that's not around untill last qtr next year.

The reason that we are going to be developing the products for the Amarok is because of the potential growth of the vehicle oversees. Sure, Australia is seen by VAG as one of the biggest markets for off-road commercial vehicles because along with South Africa, we are the biggest consumers of these vehicles per capita.
But, like you said, if they only are to only sell 5000 per annum, that is the quota that Australia will get. It is only when supply outsrips demand to a ridiculous amount, that things will change. We saw exactly the same thing with the Toyota 79 series vehicle with the airbag upgrades, people were on a 9month waiting list for these vehicles because Toyota Australia were only allocated a set volume for the last quarter of 2009, all of which went out to customers on the first delivery day.

People will go on a waiting list for a vehicle purely because of cognitive dissodence, if they want it and other people want it then they think this is a good thing. My girlfriend's cousin is holding off buying a new work vehicle purely becasue he wants to see the Amarok in the flesh before making his decision. We all at work cannot wait to see if the hype is a true representation of the vehicle that is sitting in a shipping container right now, bound for Melbourne.

I for one hope that it is because out of all the dual cab utes we have in our fleet, from Toyota, Nissan, Mitsubishi, Isuzu/Holden etc, the only decent one we had was a Mazda BT50 and we sold that because it was rubbish off-road. Not one of these vehicles are worth the price tag, especially not an SR5 Hilux with ESC and curtain airbags at 65,000 on road!!

If Amarok undercuts these cars and does it with a good level of build quality and percieved exclusivity, I think it will do very very well.....

[Sharkie]

I love the look of it, however, until it comes in a 3.6FSI or a 3.0TDI AND in a manual I have no interest in it.

I believe VW is setting themselves up big time to fail with

1. a small high tech TT diesel, and
2. a DSG gearbox ....

Neither of these have proven themselves yet (from a reliability point of view) and with the many many horror DSG failures to date I've recently cancelled my order for a new T5.2 Multivan ..... (with that exact combination)

I have little appetite to spend many hours at a VW service dept whilst under warranty and even less appetite to spend many many $$$ fixing things once outside of warranty ....

The way VW has been handling the 118TSI AND DSG failures as well to date is also NOT confidence inspiring ..... they seriously need to lift their game .... :(

After 7 VWs maybe its becoming time to explore other manufacturers in the future ....

[phaeton]

Again DSG jas not been confirmed yet ;)

[gavs]

First purchased Amarok to arrive in oz will be the understated, but still nice gunmetal grey.....

[ssman]

Replacing the wifes Jeep Grand Cherokee Limited with top of line model, Cant wait.

[Stephy]

I'm trying to talk Matt into getting one - not getting very far though :(

[Water Boy]

Pretty keen to check one of these out.

Still convinced on the looks but ill have to see one on the flesh.

Id love an extra cab!

[Treza360]

I'd like one of these as a company/daily car if I ever get the option. As per some of Sharkie's comments above though VW dealer customer service and to a lesser extent their quality is really starting to let the game down.
Cheers,
Trent

[gavs]

Well, the report is all good in regards to ride quality, interior appointments and overall styling in the flesh.

"...it drives like a large passenger car, the 6 speed gearbox is brilliant, far better than anything on the market in the commercial vehicles anyway. The ride in it is a bit soft but that is the OE setup, it will be better once we get a hold of it. The rear seat is brilliant, it's almost like an LTD (or statesman) with the amount of room, 5 adults can easily fit in it. The police seemed to like it also, but luckily they didn't pull us over for driving at the manditory speed limit in ******** which is 20-30kph over the posted limit. The engine is fantastic, plenty of power and torque, and it just keeps pulling. Why anyone would buy the single turbo version when this thing has this much grunt, it's far smoother, quieter and faster than the SR5 and wins hands down over all the others!....."

[phaeton]

Well, the report is all good in regards to ride quality, interior appointments and overall styling in the flesh.

"...it drives like a large passenger car, the 6 speed gearbox is brilliant, far better than anything on the market in the commercial vehicles anyway. The ride in it is a bit soft but that is the OE setup, it will be better once we get a hold of it. The rear seat is brilliant, it's almost like an LTD (or statesman) with the amount of room, 5 adults can easily fit in it. The police seemed to like it also, but luckily they didn't pull us over for driving at the manditory speed limit in ******** which is 20-30kph over the posted limit. The engine is fantastic, plenty of power and torque, and it just keeps pulling. Why anyone would buy the single turbo version when this thing has this much grunt, it's far smoother, quieter and faster than the SR5 and wins hands down over all the others!....."

Does this mean your work has the Amarok ?

[gavs]

Does this mean your work has the Amarok ?

Unfortunately, not yet due to stupid south american paperwork. As if anyone tries to rip off south american developing countries that drastically over-inflate their own economies!!

One of the other guys went over to play around with it and he passed on the good word......

[flyingfridge]

i have envy....... where do u work gavs?

[gavs]

Ahhh, I see you are a VW dealer, hence my place of employ will unfortunately remain a secret ;-)

Not that it hasn't been mentioned elsewhere though......

[flyingfridge]

awww no love? :(

it's ok I won't push if it's sensitive :cool:

[gavs]

If any VW dealer representatives wish to comment further please do, but pricing info for the Amarok is now rumoured to undwercut the equivelent Hilux pricing by $5k on average, though I don't know how you could comparte an SR model hilux, still using those hideous, old-fashioned tonneau tie-downs on the tub with the Trendline varient of the Amarok!

[DionM]

Yes some pricing indication would be good.

Also do I remember reading correctly that only the manual dual cab will be available this year, with autos late next year or even 2012?

I have pretty much set myself on a Pajero as my next 4WD to replace my modified and kitted out Jeep Cherokee; I need auto + diesel and while I'd like to wait for the Amarok ... 2012 is a long way off.

[gavs]

Well my info is relatively reliable so hopefully things don't change in the next few months....

A pajero to replace the Jeep is a good choice. Though, anything other than a jeep would be a good choice ;-) You are correct in that only the 6 speed manual coupled with either single or twin turbo diesel engines will be sold here initially, with the petrol varients along with the auto trans and single cab available approx 3rd qtr next year.

[phaeton]

I'll believe the above pricing when I see it but I do know VW are aiming to undercut the Hilux where possible.

[DionM]

Well my info is relatively reliable so hopefully things don't change in the next few months....

A pajero to replace the Jeep is a good choice. Though, anything other than a jeep would be a good choice ;-) You are correct in that only the 6 speed manual coupled with either single or twin turbo diesel engines will be sold here initially, with the petrol varients along with the auto trans and single cab available approx 3rd qtr next year.

Now now, my trusty old Jeep (01 Cherokee) has served us well. Plenty of extras and only let us down once. Its been setup to be very capable offroad but still daily driveable. Its replacement will be more touring focussed; hence looking at the Paj. I'm not sold on dual cab utes but I would have made exception for the Amarok, but no pricing and the lack of auto for some time is a killer for the vehicle I'd be after (well specced).

[gavs]

Now now, my trusty old Jeep (01 Cherokee) has served us well. Plenty of extras and only let us down once.

I apologise, a Land Rover is worse than a Jeep ;-)

We have 2 in the fleet here at work and after driving both (a cherokee and a wrangler) I am amazed at the ingeniuous American engineering prowess that goes into these vehicles. I really don't understand, and the laws of physics contradict it, but how Jeep can make a verticle suspension movement turn into a jump sideways across the lanes on a freeway, consistantly, is an engineering marvel! ;-)

Seriously though, if you are after a "Touring" 4x4, look at the Prado 150 more than the Paj, even though the Paj is a monocoque design, generally the domain of road cars, it is still an extremely competant off-roader. Be warned, Mitsubishi accountants took over their engineering and quality control departments from around november last year up until, well, now. We have had several major issues on both our brand new Paj, Challenger and triton so just be Vary wary when you buy....


Phaeton, this is coming from VAG, but who knows how reliable that info is.....

[flyingfridge]

You probably have more info than we do gavs. At the moment VW's official line is still "somewhere around the price of the Hilux".

I did a little bit of a work out based on the German pricing of both given they're both imported vehicles to Germany they should be pretty comparable. Over there the Amarok and Hilux are within aroun 500 euros of each other in comparable models. That doesn't take into acount what sort of deal VGA will cut with the factory though so its still anyone's guess.

As much as I'd love it, I can't see it undercutting Hilux by $5k though, it wouldn't make good sense from a market or business point of view really. I mean, if you can sell a competitive product and most people I talk to are pretty happy when the price is Hilux equivalent, not more expensive, you charge what the market will accept for it.

Still, here's fingers crossed eh?

[DionM]

I apologise, a Land Rover is worse than a Jeep ;-)


Yes, I've had one of them (actually, two; but the second one was a project vehicle that never got finished ...) :P


We have 2 in the fleet here at work and after driving both (a cherokee and a wrangler) I am amazed at the ingeniuous American engineering prowess that goes into these vehicles. I really don't understand, and the laws of physics contradict it, but how Jeep can make a verticle suspension movement turn into a jump sideways across the lanes on a freeway, consistantly, is an engineering marvel! ;-)

Well you know how the saying goes, It's a Jeep Thing :banana:

We got ours really cheap s/hand and while unsophisticated its simple to repair. And with a mild lift and swaybar disconnects it goes quite a few places ...


Seriously though, if you are after a "Touring" 4x4, look at the Prado 150 more than the Paj, even though the Paj is a monocoque design, generally the domain of road cars, it is still an extremely competant off-roader. Be warned, Mitsubishi accountants took over their engineering and quality control departments from around november last year up until, well, now. We have had several major issues on both our brand new Paj, Challenger and triton so just be Vary wary when you buy....

Yeah I'm not so fussed on the Prado. Things I didn't like was it felt less refined onroad than the new NT Paj diesel, and the very high boot level because of the seats stored under the deck. Plus the Paj can be had cheaper and that cheap factory locker is tempting as well :P

Anyway, to bring this thread back around, I'm really curious to see how the Amarok drives, given its leaf rear and solid axle (which is what my XJ Cherokee has). Unloaded they can be a bit of a handful, especially when you lift them with heavier duty springs (as I have in mine).


Phaeton, this is coming from VAG, but who knows how reliable that info is.....

I guess we need to keep in mind that the Triton is a bit of a surprise package and in many respects better than the Hilux AND cheaper; yet the Hilux is #1 seller - says a lot about the power of reputation. The Hilux is also at the top end price wise

[Jmac]

Tdi from the Treg would do the trick me thinks. Hmm. I like the look of these.
Jmac

[phantomcamel]

You are unlikely to see any pricing until after the launch at the Sydney Motor Show! All info is under embargo - that includes the dealerships.

[phantomcamel]

I'd like one of these as a company/daily car if I ever get the option. As per some of Sharkie's comments above though VW dealer customer service and to a lesser extent their quality is really starting to let the game down.
Cheers,
Trent
All manufacturers have quality issues at times. The key is how the manufacturer deals with it. Look at the recalls TOYOTA had - including the HILUX just recently. Still one of the most reliable cars.

[phantomcamel]

The problem is that fleet buyers have a very specific set of parameters that they have to work to and with the every-growing issue off stupidity and finger pointing, fleets now want to provide the most idiot-proof vehicles out there for their staff, hence why the generally use 4x4, automatic hiluxs because at the flick of a lever, the car can basically drive itself, all the driver has to do is steer.

With the electronic complexity of the Amarok, don't be surprised if that is the reason that VWA is projecting those figures. Your generic "off-roader" doesn't like anything electronic because they either can't operate it or (more often the case) feel threatened by it, hence why the uptake of the Prado and 200 series 'Cruiser seem to be in suburbs that have high incomes, not in the suburbs with the demographic of "off-roaders".

All it generally takes is for one vehicle to be kitted out with off-road gear to sway opinion though ;) Stop reading my mind Gavs... ;)

[DionM]

Well VWs long drawn out game and the fact no auto for a couple of years has led me astray - I've purchased another 4WD. Maybe when its up for replacement I'll look at the Amarok.

[barefoot]

If it's anything like a Toyota Sportivo I hired in NZ with a 6 speed manual, it would drive me mad changing gears all the time, though I think a diesel would probably be more drivable (perhaps even take off in 2nd, change into 4th, then 6th......

Although I really, really enjoy my t'reg I'm also keen to upgrade, and the Amarok was looking like a potential intermediate until the new treg comes out....but I'm not sure about a 6 speed manual, I think it'd take a decent test drive before I commit, not to mention rear leaf sprung...could have a lively, bouncy rear ....

[gavs]

The reputation for leaf springs giving a crappy and bouncy ride is really quite untrue, it moreso comes down to the suspension geometry and spring selection, along with correct damper matching, but I see what you're saying :)

For example, I would not say that a ZR1 Corvette is a lively, bouncy rear end, granted it has inverted carbon fibre leaves, but they're still leaves:)

We test vehicles here at work all the time with leaves and there are 2 factors that control the rear end of the vehicle with heavy leaves, the damper and the internal friction of the leaves. The test Hilux I spend most of my time in is really very comfortable to ride in and if it wasn't for the cooper tyres, that would be a great rear-end setup, we hit speed humps at 70kph with barely a murmur, which really does pay alot of credit to our suspension engineers.

With the right setup, even a live axle, leaf sprung rear end can be great, especially with the design of the Amarok setup ;)

[disco2300]

I will once they come out with an auto. Highline version, leather and all the fruit. Not everyone that buys a ute is a tradie.

[Sharkie]

I will once they come out with an auto. Highline version, leather and all the fruit. Not everyone that buys a ute is a tradie.

Agreed, I will likely buy 1 as well now that the petrol turbo has been confirmed. Mine will be 2.0TSI, manual and highline with fruit. Need to determine all the AWD options 1st to see which 1 would be best for us.

I'll wait and give it 6 months to settle down and then buy 1 .... and just for Ben mod it ... :cool:

Will be our 4th DualCab and its a lifestyle vehicle for us not a trade vehicle ...... :cool:

[DionM]

I dunno if the petrol turbo is a smart choice for the Amarok.

Mazda went down the path of small petrol turbo in biggish car with the CX-7 and it drinks like a fish.

As for the leaf rear, if its well done it shouldn't be an issue.

[misplaced]

Righto,

I've just signed up here specifically for the good oil on the Amarok. Theres bits and pieces around the net, but this place has the most comprehensive and educated detail, well done to all you lads.

After close on 9 years waiting for a new car worthy of my $$s, this is the one. It only falls short in one area, rear suspension options. But I'm still planning on camping out the night before to buy one.

I'll go the Highline, Biturbo, switchable AWD with comfort pack springs. Colour hopefully all black ( yes, I know) maybe dark grey.

BTW, with all the spy shots of the interior, I see no 'weapons buttons' on the steering wheel, is that the case? not a big deal, just curious.

[flyingfridge]

nope no steering wheel buttons at this stage unfortunately. My inital spec sheet also omits leather and sat-nav but my best guess is that will be rectified when they add the 'ultimate' model...

on the upside, we know for sure that the highline will be standard with RCD510 :)

[phaeton]

So the ultimate being the 132Kw ;)

[flyingfridge]

hahah, I don't think there'll be engine changes just yet and when they do it'll be a bigger jump than that ;)

[phaeton]

hahah, I don't think there'll be engine changes just yet and when they do it'll be a bigger jump than that ;)

I read Argentinian websites that report a 132kW/Sports model is round the corner ;)


Well i'm planning on buying 20 -25 per month........... bloody targets! :-)

Sounds good.

I have read VW are targeting 416 per month or 5000 a year.

[phantomcamel]

Well i'm planning on buying 20 -25 per month........... bloody targets! :-) us too, that's makes about 50 - who is suppluying the other 150 given that only commercial dealerships can sell them ? ;)

[FLAUNTT]

I will be definately getting a highline. Hopefully with a few tasty options!! I wish they would hurry up and get the auto version out!!

[Sharkie]

So the ultimate being the 132Kw ;)

No .... the ultimate will be a 2.0TSI with 170-190kw/400+NM thanks to some APR Stg1 help .... :cool:

[Seano]

Typically, there'd be a statement along the lines of 'this thread is worthless without pictures'.

In this case, however.....this thread is worthless without prices.

And unless dealers are willing to bin that useless rear tub upon customer request and source an appropriate alloy drop side tray.....then I suspect some potential purchasers may well remain that way...potential.

[gavs]

All you will hvae to do is ask at the dealership to have it removed, it's 4 bolts that hold it on and then just the fuel feed needs to be disconnected and refitted. Any dealer does it for any make and model dual cab out there.

[flyingfridge]

Typically, there'd be a statement along the lines of 'this thread is worthless without pictures'.

In this case, however.....this thread is worthless without prices.

And unless dealers are willing to bin that useless rear tub upon customer request and source an appropriate alloy drop side tray.....then I suspect some potential purchasers may well remain that way...potential.

there will be no problem with taking the tubs off that's for sure. The factory has been very receptive to supplying them as cab chassis i'm told - I'd expect to see that happen around single cab time later this year.

[2dr Evangalist]

Folks
I put a deposit down when I bought my GTD.
Reason? I need something that can tow 2+ tonne once or twice a month but still do a decent job of a daily driver.
AND
Anything that sets out to kick the HiLux in the cods is worth a go by me ... :)
One thing that p1sses me off tho, transporters come with 132kw bi-turbo, but Amarok launches at 120kw..... go figure....
But this is the good oil from Tunit....

"The Tunit to suit your Amarok is the V-CR code# NTUN110 and costs $1280 incl GST.

This particular Tunit comes complete with a detachable harness that has original manufacturers Bosch plugs matching the ones on your engine. Installation is simply a case of fitting the two plugs on the Tunit harness to two plugs on your engine. With the Tunit there is no need for dismantling or going inside your ECU.

Your power then increases from:
120Kw to approx 142Kw and torque, which is more important with diesel engines, increases from 400Nm to approx 460Nm.

One of the unique features of the Tunit is it's adjustability. The Tunit has nine different power settings. By prising off the access panel you can adjust the Tunit manually. The Tunit is pre programmed to your individual car, however each car can be different in output and characteristics and for this reason you can choose between the settings to suit your vehicle. This setting can also be altered if you were to further modify your vehicle with performance filters or exhausts etc.

If you wish to carry out extra modifications to your vehicle or if you have special requirements then we can re program your tunit to suit with a lap top tune.

As a result of tuning most people tend to gain 7-10% better fuel economy. This can vary from vehicle to vehicle and depends on application and driver but is generally the case."

Bring it on !!!

[Capercat]

Congrats, makes me wish I were a tradie or have a realistic reason to buy one :)

[phantomcamel]

In this case, however.....this thread is worthless without prices.


I have signed one customer up today & another-one is going to on Monday. At this rate launch stock will be all gone by the time it hits the dealerships.... to quote the lady from the ANZ add: "Shame... *SLURP*"

[flyingfridge]

Oh we've done our fair share of pre-orders Christian, we just don't feel the need to brag about it on here.

[phantomcamel]

Oh we've done our fair share of pre-orders Christian, we just don't feel the need to brag about it on here.
Not so much about bragging Sam - I want to create some awareness with potential buyers, that if they don't commit themselves the chances are they miss out - you and I know the ones which don't sign up end up screaming the loudest when we have to tell them it's a 6 month wait now due to high demand! ;)
It's a great product and it WILL sell, and it will sell FAST. Anyone discounting this car is mad and should work for a different brand. :facepalm:

[flyingfridge]

Not so much about bragging Sam - I want to create some awareness with potential buyers, that if they don't commit themselves the chances are they miss out - you and I know the ones which don't sign up end up screaming the loudest when we have to tell them it's a 6 montyh wait now due to high demand! ;)
It's a great product and it WILL sell, and it will sell FAST. Anyone discounting this car is mad and should work for a different brand. :facepalm:

Yep, you're 100% right about pre-ordering - it's your little swipe at VIC dealers that I was coming back at ;)

(which is a bit inaccurate given Frank & I here had the highest T5GP Pre-Orders of any dealer in Oz)

[Sumodog68]

[QUOTE=2dr Evangalist;612007]Folks
I put a deposit down when I bought my GTD.
Reason? I need something that can tow 2+ tonne once or twice a month but still do a decent job of a daily driver.
AND
Anything that sets out to kick the HiLux in the cods is worth a go by me ... :)
One thing that p1sses me off tho, transporters come with 132kw bi-turbo, but Amarok launches at 120kw..... go figure....
But this is the good oil from Tunit....

"The Tunit to suit your Amarok is the V-CR code# NTUN110 and costs $1280 incl GST.

You are towing 2T+ with a golf GTD which is rated for 1.3T braked ?
With that sort of mechanical sympathy it is not surprise that you are excited by tunit unit which would basically add more fuel to the engine ( by increasing fuel pressure) and by adding more fuel your fuel consumption generally goes up . To believe that aftermarket tuner can map the engine fuel parameters better then team of engineers at VW who actually designed the engine is laughable.

[phaeton]

Hey Sumodog68 no attack just saying re-read the post you'll see that 2dr Evangalist has put an order down on the Amarok so he can tow 2 tonnes in the future when he bought his GTD ;)

[2dr Evangalist]

Thank you Phaeton, you read it right, the `rok is to tow my (race) toy.

As for the general comment that "To believe that aftermarket tuner can map the engine fuel parameters better then team of engineers at VW who actually designed the engine is laughable" I DO challenge
I am a diesel fitter by trade (although I hung the tools up some time ago) and manufacturers tunes are built to a common denominator, and that denominator is often very conservative. It is conservative because it has to deal with various fuel quality in different markets, provide a good margin for all variable conditions etc etc. So tuners CAN offer better outputs, and the best of them can do so with a fair degree of mechanical safety.
Remember, my `rok will be a daily driver with bugger all on board 90% of the time, but when it works, it will have 2T behind, and a few hundred kg in the tray, and the extra HP and torque will be welcome.
Besides, I am well p1ssed off that the 132kw tune is not available from launch, all it is is a different map, period, and I am reasonably sure that the tuners will have a field day until the 132kw tune is available ex factory.....

On another note, wheeled into Paul Wakeling at Campbelltown in Sydney yesterday to view their teaser, scored a spec sheet, but the dealer did specifically ask me not to post the sheet up on the net.......
But I`m happy to take questions.... :) :)

[phaeton]

On another note, wheeled into Paul Wakeling at Campbelltown in Sydney yesterday to view their teaser, scored a spec sheet, but the dealer did specifically ask me not to post the sheet up on the net.......
But I`m happy to take questions.... :) :)

If its an A4 Amarok Highline spec sheet then there are no issues posting as VW have it available online http://www.volkswagen-amarok.com.au/assets/downloads/Amarok_A4_D4.pdf

[Sumodog68]

Yes ,my bad reading comprehension. My apologies :-)
I do agree with second point that factory tune is conservative to maintain longevity and reliability .
It is definitely possible to extract more power out of existing hardware but I am still skeptical about aftermarket tuners ability to maintain longevity and reliability of stock tune , let alone improve fuel consumption while increasing power and torque.
Finally if VW was about to offer extra cab version of Amarok I would consider it as it seems to be quality vehicle That is lifting standards for commercial vehicles. All commercial vehicle buyers will benefit as competitors will follow.

[flyingfridge]

Besides, I am well p1ssed off that the 132kw tune is not available from launch, all it is is a different map, period, and I am reasonably sure that the tuners will have a field day until the 132kw tune is available ex factory.....


The 132 is a similar tune, just a different torque curve. The 132 in the Transporter produces the same peak torque (400Nm) but its between 1500 and 2000rpm. The Amarok while having a couple less killerwasps makes peak torque from 1500 to 2500. Personally in a ute i'd prefer the extra flexibility over a tiny bit more power when you wring its neck.

[Seano]

Not so much about bragging Sam - I want to create some awareness with potential buyers, that if they don't commit themselves the chances are they miss out - you and I know the ones which don't sign up end up screaming the loudest when we have to tell them it's a 6 month wait now due to high demand! ;)
It's a great product and it WILL sell, and it will sell FAST. Anyone discounting this car is mad and should work for a different brand. :facepalm:

You sir are a tool.

Last time I looked.....this product is not a limited edition. There will be many more made and delivered to Oz than just the first batch. Or even the first year.

And to suggest otherwise is a perfect example of a dealer doing some self gratification. The fact you've done it in public just shows you for the motor trader you are...

The average ute buyer (ie the ones that don't feel the need to be special) isn't stupid.....they can wait. Or they can continue to buy Toyota's, Nissans, Mitsubishis...or even Great Walls.

[Transporter]

Not so much about bragging Sam - I want to create some awareness with potential buyers, that if they don't commit themselves the chances are they miss out - you and I know the ones which don't sign up end up screaming the loudest when we have to tell them it's a 6 month wait now due to high demand! ;)
It's a great product and it WILL sell, and it will sell FAST. Anyone discounting this car is mad and should work for a different brand. :facepalm:

Sometimes I just wish that everyone would have the same buying habit as me. I wouldn't buy any car until it is in its 3rd year of production. ;)

[2dr Evangalist]

If its an A4 Amarok Highline spec sheet then there are no issues posting as VW have it available online http://www.volkswagen-amarok.com.au/assets/downloads/Amarok_A4_D4.pdf

ahhh...... its a bit more than that.....
3 models, and all the differences between them........

[phaeton]

ahhh...... its a bit more than that.....
3 models, and all the differences between them........

I'm intrigued :D

[phaeton]

I want prices now.......

This is the spec I'm looking at....

2012MY (due to my age I'll wait till I'm 25) Amarok 2.0 TDI 90kW Trendline spec with Selectable 4Motion and Chrome rear bumper if possible.

The colour is the only thing I'm undecided on ????

[flyingfridge]

Out of interest, why the 90kW?

Prices will be out in the last week of Feb. ;)

for the fun of it, here are a couple of tasters from the Spec. Sheet. If you're going to a preview you should get a copy of the full sheet.

http://img534.imageshack.us/img534/6517/theroks.jpg
http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/

I'm thinking a Starlight Blue Trendline 4Motion with the 17" Aldos would be nice for me.... can't wait to see our allocation so I can pick out my demo :)

[phaeton]

Out of interest, why the 90kW?

Power is not high criteria for my purchase. Family has a 77kW MY05 TDI Comforline Golf (Mum got 3 Speeding fines within 1st 3 months of driving).

Also as much as I'm a VW Enthusiast, I'm weary of twin turbo technology from a European brand even though its lasted the Dakar albeit with VWs full support.

I could change my mind after a drive of course :D

[2dr Evangalist]

Fear not BiTurbo folks
Subaru did it in the B4 ages ago. Whilst there was a pronounced "flat spot" between the turbos, you could (just about) tune it out.
Dont forget the BM 335 is sequential turbo, and, I was fixing sequential turbo`s 30yrs ago on Cummins diesels....
Cheers

[sh|tbmxrider]

A VWCV affiliated company have been running twin-turbo on Diesels for years...

In roles that are much more demanding and important than a tradies ute....

290HP/1100Nm or 340HP/1250Nm from 6.9L

TGX Range TGS Range TGM Range (http://www.man.com.au/manau/trucks_range.asp?product=Trucks&range=tgm&sub=range)

;)

Fear not the twin turbo....!

[vdubin]

Is there an Xtra Cab version coming out ?
Im due for a new work ute this Yr but I need a good size tray.
Four door ute trays are to small,We will custom make the tray
but you are limited to how long you can make them..

This will be the only issue.

[phantomcamel]

No plans for an Xtra Cab at this stage, only a Single Cab is likely to be addded at some stage - yet unconfirmed though.