Slipping Belts - miracle solutions

[Tameth_au]

I have an australian delivered mk2 golf GTI and it is plagued by slipping vee belts... just when you think it is all fixed the squeeling begins!

who has any miracle solutions?? the problem mostly occurs with aircon and driving in the wet. i've just had the belts replaced and they are going in for their second tightening next week!

[gotrice]

I saw some anti slip spray at super cheep auto the other day, and for 6 bucks it cant hurt to try. My advice would be to get a MK1 and be done with the dirty MK2 though.

[GoLfMan]

whats your location Tameth_au?

[Golfwise]

This seems to be common.Its the water but I'm sure you realised that.
Supercheap at $6 might help for a while until one of our experienced English friends and mk2 owners tell us the real solution.
I remember on mine it happened every time I washed it so out came the trusty spray can.

Gotrice can you be carefull with your spelling dude my Granny checks out this site :lol:

[gotrice]

I'm sure I dont know what your refering too. But you have to be happy with a granny who is into VW's!

And I have dislexia so my shoddy spelling is part and parcel with my shoddy postings, or something like that. I'm from Canberra - what do you expect. :oops:

[Golf Loon]

Ive fixed your shoddy spelling gotrice. WD40 or equivilant should fix a squealing belt. Yes thats a pommie answer :wink:

[syncro]

Wouldn't WD40 make it slip more, but quieter?

How would a pom know? They don't have AC.

Use belt grip spray but it wpould be better to find the source of the problem.

[Golf Loon]

If belts are properly adjusted WD40 is the go drives out moisture and softens belts. No we dont have AC, but we do have rain, which is the reason for the squeal.

[aprr32]

Every Australian delivered G2 I've seen and heard has the dreaded belt noise.I think when they get some age on them the pulleys don't line up properly and it seems the belts are too long and run out of adjustment.Best solution is to trade it in on a G1.

[Golf Loon]

Pommie ones do it too and my South African Jetta. Did you try the WD40? Works for me.

[joshyd-mk2gti]

i havnt noticed any squeeling belts on my mk2 :?

[finemk1]

heres a trick i lernt along my endevours, , use a comon white candle and whiles the motor is running hold the candel on the contact bit of the belt and presto might need to put a good coat on but you will have no more probs, oh and watch your fingers on that nasty alternator and other spinning bits.

[imported_brackie]

Yeah, I've done a similar thing in the past. My old Range Rover had more belts than a heavyweight boxer and all of them squealed. The candle wax worked but had to be reapplied every few months. Watch the fingers! It's better to have 10 of them and a belt that squeals than a quiet belt and 9

[Gold-mk1]

doesn't this happen when the pulleys themselves are worn ? a mates mk2 did this and was remedied by a quick trip down the parts store, weren't expensive either.....can probably sort out a load if people are desperate..!?

[roccodingo]

doesn't this happen when the pulleys themselves are worn ? a mates mk2 did this and was remedied by a quick trip down the parts store, weren't expensive either.....can probably sort out a load if people are desperate..!?

to be critical, what happens is the flat inner side of the belt ends up running on the inner diameter of the pulley groove, this "belt bottoming" removes the pressure the "vee" sides of the belt have against the pulley vee ( removes the natural tendency to wedge itself in the pulley ) making the belt slip in the pulley & squeal.
You can check this easily with a new belt pressed into the pulley groove, if it is contacting the bottom, machine the pulley minor diameter.
Use to do this constantly with earthmoving equipment, the dusty environment chews the cast iron pulley's like in no time..

HTH
Cheers,
Grant.

[imported_brackie]

The cause makes sense to me. But wouldn't a new belt remedy it? What has to be machined and why?

[Golfwise]

thats strange advice telling someone to buy a Golf1 instead of a nice 91/92 GTi.Just because the belts squeal.
There is a big difference between the two cars as just about all Golf 1s on the market would never be on par with a Mk2 GTi.
Crap interior vs nice sports seats
Cracked dash vs nice late one
Funny old steering wheel vs a much better one.
Vent windows fall out vs nice one piece wind ups
No sway bars vs front and rear ones
Fuel Injected 1.8 vs carbied 1.6 (double the mileage)
Crap brakes vs 4 wheel discs
Average lights vs extra driving lights
no suspension travel vs on and on and on and blah blah

I'll say no more

[syncro]

I have never heard of this problem with the Golf 2. It must be something to do with the age of the car or non genuine parts. As for lubricating the belts, it's like taking a panadol to ease the pain when you've broken your leg.

If the belts are noisy, fix it :idea:

[Golf Loon]

I agree with both GolfWise and Syncro. I hope I`m as wise when I get to be as old as you guys! :P

[syncro]

I agree with both GolfWise and Syncro. I hope I`m as wise when I get to be as old as you guys! :P

I'll think about that one :| :?:

[Golfwise]

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I'm still cool and a revhead :roll:

[syncro]

8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8)
I'm still cool and a revhead :roll:Ditto

[Gold-mk1]

thats strange advice telling someone to buy a Golf1 instead of a nice 91/92 GTi.Just because the belts squeal.
There is a big difference between the two cars as just about all Golf 1s on the market would never be on par with a Mk2 GTi.
Crap interior vs nice sports seats
Cracked dash vs nice late one
Funny old steering wheel vs a much better one.
Vent windows fall out vs nice one piece wind ups
No sway bars vs front and rear ones
Fuel Injected 1.8 vs carbied 1.6 (double the mileage)
Crap brakes vs 4 wheel discs
Average lights vs extra driving lights
no suspension travel vs on and on and on and blah blah

I'll say no more

Agreed, it is a stange thing to suggest, although a mk1 golf has something mk2 will never have - soul.

Theres no way anyone can even suggest that a mk2 offers anywhere near the same driving experience as a mk1. and before you ask, i've driven loads, standard and modified, and the Mk1 wins everytime. :)

If you like the later cars, fine, doesn't mean they are BETTER though does it ! :lol:

[Golfwise]

My point was missed.

Here in Australia one cannot buy anything but basic mainly 4 door base model 1.6 carbied cars from 1976 to 1980.
No GT1s were sold and only a small handfull being privately imported so there are no options for someone to rock up to a local car yard to purchase a nice example of an early Golf, most are now 25 years old and neglected.Thats why my comparison ,there are no Australian mk1s in standard form that come close to the Mk2 GTis that were sold here.
I don't want to go over and over about it but a 1.6 carbied car on soft suspension,dreadfull brakes,no sway bars,13 by 5 inch wheels with 155by 13 tyres.
End of story.

ps I've owned more mk1 Golfs than just about anybody, and 2s,3s and4s

[Gold-mk1]

My point was missed.

Here in Australia one cannot buy anything but basic mainly 4 door base model 1.6 carbied cars from 1976 to 1980.
No GT1s were sold and only a small handfull being privately imported so there are no options for someone to rock up to a local car yard to purchase a nice example of an early Golf, most are now 25 years old and neglected.Thats why my comparison ,there are no Australian mk1s in standard form that come close to the Mk2 GTis that were sold here.
I don't want to go over and over about it but a 1.6 carbied car on soft suspension,dreadfull brakes,no sway bars,13 by 5 inch wheels with 155by 13 tyres.
End of story.

ps I've owned more mk1 Golfs than just about anybody, and 2s,3s and4s

Ah, Australian Mk 1 's, neglected ones too ! :cry: My apologies, did see that in your original post, probably why i missed the "point " :lol:

Im not spoiling for a fight or anything, i just think a mk1 is a better car full stop, don't get me wrong, a decent mk2 can be a splendid car, although comparing a gti to a standard mk1 isn't really fair, some of the base model mk2 are truely appalling too, they did an 1100cc one for a time, horrid ! :?

[imported_brackie]

I reckon you guys are mixing it for the wrong reasons. Golfwise...Sure we had only one go at the Mk1s here in Oz and no Mk2s. In the UK they got so many different models and variants that we know little about because they didn't come here. Our only experience is through personal imports. And, not everybody wants or needs a Gti! Manufacturers have to aim their mainstream models at the masses and so must incorporate a lot of compromises. Hard suspension for handling and cornering performance agianst softer suspension for a comfortable ride is only one example. Goldie... The Mk1 was a great car in it's day and pi**ed all over the opposition. Try comparing it with a 70's Honda Civic, for example! It's still a great car and stacks up pretty well against many new millenium Jap and Korean efforts. But it's old technology...particularly in the brakes and engine areas. Most of the users on this forum either can't afford anything but a Mk1 (me included!), love them for their basic strength or tunability if they are into racing/hill climbs etc., or just feel a nostalgic endearment!

[Golfwise]

Sometimes because of my poor and slow typing I may not come over well.I have owned mk1 Golfs since the 70s and worked on them since the 70's and still own more than one today and yes they are my preference but it was a question on going out and buying one as a secondhand car.The 2 models in question because they are the only ones available are a 76/80 GLS vs MK2 GTI.
The average Mk2 GTi is a better car than the average mk1 which is in most cases because of age below average to a car built in the 90s.I wasn't aiming to make bad friends from my vague statement Ok :D :D

[GoLfMan]

but then again a Mk2 GTI is 5 times as expensive and by the time you spend that much money on the Mk1 you have better all round car do you not agree?

[Gold-mk1]

How much can you pick up golfs for in Aus then ?

mk1, mk1 gti, mk2 gti 8/16v ?

would be very interesting to compare ! :)

and no bad friends ! lifes too short ! 8)

[Golf Loon]

How much can you pick up golfs for in Aus then ?

mk1, mk1 gti, mk2 gti 8/16v ? [quote]

Mk1 4 door 1.6s $100 upward to $3000 for a goodish one

Mk1 GTIs do not exist here except for a few private imports

Mk2 5 door GTIs were brought here from 1990-1992 and had detuned engines. $3000 - $6000

No 16vs except imports or conversions.

As a pom originally, I can confirm the horrid underpowered Mk2s that existed over there. As you say a 1.1 Mk2 with a 4 speed and Golf L spec was a nasty beast. Dont think it had swaybars either Golfwise. I had a 2 door 1.3 Golf 2 over there and that was underpowered and slow. Looked like a GTI by the time I was done, just had no balls.

Where are you based in the UK Gold Mk1. If you want to send us some MK2 GTIs, 16vs or Corrados. I reckon you`d get some takers on here.

[Gold-mk1]

Whats are the regulations like for imports ? anything goes ?

Im in Herts, north of London, about an hours drive from Santa Pod raceway.

[imported_brackie]

Whats are the regulations like for imports ? anything goes ?


The biggest hindrance to importing is Autralian Design Rules. Better if the car is pre '89 but horrendous if later. In fact, in the, "Forget it!" category. If you have owned the car for 12 months in another country of residence, you can bring it in as a "personal import" and get around them. So, according to the beaurocrats who uphold the legislation, it's OK for the car to be unsafe if you already owned it overseas. On top of the cost of compliance, there is import duty, quarantine charges, freight, steam cleaning, customs etc. etc. which basically makes it pretty expensive to import a car you have bought overseas. There are a few cars that circumvent the legislation. These are "Specialist Vehicles" and the Corrado is one of them. To give you an idea of compliance costs for ADRs, duty and other costs, here are some examples for Jap. imports:

SHIPPING, CUSTOMS & AGENTS FEES - Shipping costs from Japan, Customs Charges in Australia and Customs Agents Fees $1800

CUSTOMS DUTY & GST- Customs Duty on FOB price only (10%) and GST on FOB Price and Shipping Charges(10%) (4WD VEHICLES ONLY 5% Customs)

COMPLIANCE (Up To 1990 Models) - This is an estimate of the cost of bringing the car up to ADRs (Australian Design Rules) Generally ranges from $800-$1600. Compliance ADD $1500 for up to 1988 models, Compliance ADD $4500 for models 1989 onwards

REGISTRATION - Include your local Registration AND Stamp Duty costs.

So, it can be a very expensive business! You would really have to desire the car!

[syncro]

Whats are the regulations like for imports ? anything goes ?

Im in Herts, north of London, about an hours drive from Santa Pod raceway.

I went to Santa Pod last year. Unfortunately it rained :(
Saw a nice Golf Country there which I'd like to bring home.
http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/images/imported/2005/07/GolfCountry-1.jpg

[rallye driver]

sand blasting the pulleys stops the belts squealing

[Golfwise]

No doubt it gets rid of the shine from the slip ?