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Haven't really had much time to get it put in..
What is everyones opinion on APR V2.
Does the car feel faster?
Does it feel like its got more torque?
For the more spirited drivers. Do you like it in the mountains?
Has anyone gone back to V1.
thankssssssss!
jasn78
29-04-2009, 04:44 PM
Kai, havent gone back to v1 and for daily driving/spirited driving v2 seems better through more low rev torque whereas v1 has slightly more oomph in the higher rev range
yeah losing that top end is what i was worried about. From a few posts ive seen most people did mention it. So it is obviously noticeable.
Ill probably give it a go. Wouldnt supprise me if i was the first to go back to V1 tho. Ill dyno before and after same day. Ill do a few tests too which will give a cool bit of data.
Definate top end loss.
Dyno's:
(Blue is V1 and red is V2)
http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/
That is exactly what i was after. Didnt realise someone had done it already. sweet.
PoloGTi
29-04-2009, 05:23 PM
I tend to like the v2 version suits the car well and feels good.
Would be interesting to see some solid 0-100 times on both.
All depends what you want out of the car i guess.
each to there own.
PoloGTi
29-04-2009, 05:24 PM
Definate top end loss.
Dyno's:
(Blue is V1 and red is V2)
http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/
Interesting question what other mods do you have?
Interesting question what other mods do you have?
I think from memory he has dump pipe and intake?
It wont change the graph from the mods he has. As he hasn't added or removed before and after tune. Should be the same. :D
ryan_GTI
29-04-2009, 05:54 PM
some 1/4 mile times would be nice.. probably the real indication to show which one is better.
but in terms of daily commuting, the v2 seems more reasonable!
think i might stick with v1 for now, as my cars topend seems to be average anyway.. i don't want to sacrifice anymore lol
noone
29-04-2009, 06:09 PM
I've only ever had the V2, but I don't often find myself red-lining the revs.
Looking at the Power curve, I guess that explains why...
I'm hoping with a little extra breathing, the top end will extend out better (that's what I hear on the grape vine).
Ive had abit of a chat too a few experts off the forum.
And its been very mixed up results.
Alot say red. Alot say blue.
They came to the conclusion that apparently i suit blue better?? lol.
They all think the v2 would get too 100 quicker. (with traction). And That the v1 would have a higher top speed.
Not my graph people, they are Eddy's who as FMIC and full turbo back exhaust amongst other things (sorry for the confusion). Although my graph will hopefully look like that, only higher, soon :biggrin:
Depends where you shift I think, but you're talking fractions of a second here. Try it, if you like it then keep it, else have it changed back to V1. That's my plan anyway!!
RhysQ
29-04-2009, 07:11 PM
I have the V2 and have seriously never looked back to V1. I find the higher and more aggressive low end torque on the V2 to be far superior to that of V1 which is quite weak until the revs get up. When I had V1, I noticed that the car 'surged' a fair bit if you weren't careful on the throttle.... this has pretty much been forgotten about with V2, the power delivery is smooooooth the whole way through.
To be honest, I hated the top end dying off and that was a big downfall for me, but since the addition of the BMC filter and SEAT intake, it feels strong the whole way through now. I would like to see the comparison of V1 vs V2 from my car now.
One other downfall is fuel consumption has risen noticeably....I'm guessing from that extra toque in the lower end it needs more fuel.
Finally, GT3 (Neil) will confirm this but his car dyno'd on V2 with 360+Nm (with basic mods i think). Compared to V1's quoted 328Nm that's pretty darn impressive and I would imagine would make for a slightly faster 0-100km/h.
Rhys
Hoyhoy.
Kai, me is fairly sure that if you got the V2 you won't go back to V1, I would put a beer on it.
Have another look at the graph which was the first install of V2, the KW's re-cross each at 7000rpm. To me the top end didn't change too much at all, but the bottom end has grown some balls, 2000rpm it starts & at 2500 its ALL there with awesome torque. My thoughts are that it is that good that Guy (APR) has may be lost some KO4 sales.
This only my conclusion & I'm an old silly fart.
Chipped
30-04-2009, 02:38 PM
Since Forge TIP install and APR Diverter Valve at the same time (ECS High perfrmance clutch as well but wouldn't have an effect) I have noticed no die off in power after 6000rpm on V2...............nice!!
Chrisuk-polo
02-05-2009, 08:37 AM
the tip and intercooler make a massive difference to top end especially motorway speeds!
Petrina Polo
02-05-2009, 08:28 PM
yeah losing that top end is what i was worried about. From a few posts ive seen most people did mention it. So it is obviously noticeable.
Ill probably give it a go. Wouldnt supprise me if i was the first to go back to V1 tho. Ill dyno before and after same day. Ill do a few tests too which will give a cool bit of data.
Mate, your not the first to go back to V1..
I had V2 and this is my honest opinion.. It may have a higher average power but the characteristics dont suit the car as well as V1. We dont have the traction for the low down squirt and when it gets traction its not making as much power as V1. Why do you want a tune that smokes the tyres down low and finally when you get traction, it has no top end?
Yeah its punchy coming out of corners etc but in a straight line, I reckon V1 is faster.. I went back.. Whats the point of having an exhaust/intake etc for more top end and the tune isnt taking full advantage..
Maybe if we get better tyres V2, otherwise V1
Hoyhoy.
Me have a diff as well, along with Yoky's Advan, Neova AD07s, so that probably helps to.
xtturbo
02-05-2009, 10:29 PM
Can you get both V1 and V2 programs installed? It would be cool to be able to switch between them depending on what kind of driving you were doing.
I think V2 sounds better for everyday use, and V1 sounds better for track...
RhysQ
05-05-2009, 06:54 PM
Can you get both V1 and V2 programs installed? It would be cool to be able to switch between them depending on what kind of driving you were doing.
I think V2 sounds better for everyday use, and V1 sounds better for track...
No you can't get both installed....it's one or the other.
As for being better on the track, it really depends on the track.
If the track is windy, V2 is much better as it has the better lower end power delivery out of corners. If you're in the Indianapolis 500 going flat stick and not touching the brake pedal, go with V1 as it is gives you the higher top end.
Petrina Polo
08-05-2009, 01:20 PM
;320319']No you can't get both installed....it's one or
If the track is windy, V2 is much better as it has the better lower end power delivery out of corners. If you're in the Indianapolis 500 going flat stick and not touching the brake pedal, go with V1 as it is gives you the higher top end.
If your going down the straight, revving out each gear, your revs would be between 4500-6000rpm most of the time in the Version 1 Power zone..
It does have pretty short gearing so you wont be in the V2 power zone for very long but up top where it peters off.
I think if you drive you car at half throttle all the time zipping around town V2 is better but if you like to open her up on the highway or the drags and go to redline V1 would be quicker.
xtturbo
08-05-2009, 05:19 PM
Yeah, on the track, unless you have a habit of stopping... you drive the car where the power band lies.
RhysQ
08-05-2009, 06:18 PM
the 5,000rpm+ drop off doesn't affect me anyway.... i have the SEAT intake pipe and BMC filter.... stays solid the whole way through :D.
;322025']the 5,000rpm+ drop off doesn't affect me anyway.... i have the SEAT intake pipe and BMC filter.... stays solid the whole way through :D.
You may think that.
But.
That dyno graph was done with a intake or some sort aswell. And in the dyno graph it dies off on the top quite considerably.
Petrina Polo
08-05-2009, 10:58 PM
I had the seat intake, BMC and APR downpipe and noticed the drop off in power. Mid range it was very strong but top end it just turned out the lights.
To me it felt like being in the shower and the water suddenly turning off. I noticed it a fair bit.
I went back to APR V1 for that reason..
RhysQ
11-05-2009, 06:17 PM
each to their own i s'pose.
Sharkie
11-05-2009, 06:42 PM
That dyno was done with TIP & BMC CAI intake.
APR V1, TIP etc, FMIC & Downpipe for me added all the low down power of V2 but with topend of V1. Last dyno I did made max power @ 5100rmin same as V2 but almost no drop off till 6500rmin. Dropped only 2kw atw between 5100 and 6200rmin ......
So I had the best (or worst) of both worlds .... wheelspin in 2nd gear whilst rolling past 5000rmin .....:biggrin:
xtturbo
11-05-2009, 08:22 PM
Why do you guys wanna rev out your cars much past 5k anyway?
if peak power can be made lower down in the rev range, why not go for it? its gotta be better for the engine.
RhysQ
11-05-2009, 08:32 PM
Why do you guys wanna rev out your cars much past 5k anyway?
if peak power can be made lower down in the rev range, why not go for it? its gotta be better for the engine.
when giving it stink i usually change at about 5,000rpm, that way the revs are at a good level to get the most out of the next gear.
Petrina Polo
11-05-2009, 08:56 PM
Quicker or slower the V1 suits me better. The top end compliments my breathing mods as well as my breathing mods building up the mid range comparable to V2..
I had the Downpipe, SEAt intake and BMC filter and with V2 I noticed the top end die off in V2..
mikepologti
13-05-2009, 12:23 AM
hmm makes me kinda wonder weather i should have test drove version 1 before getting version 2. this has made me curious.
though id imagine if you got a k04 it would solve the top end issues anyway
Chrisuk-polo
13-05-2009, 05:57 AM
do any of you have a boost gauge ?? if so what does your boost peak and then hold at in psi, mine can peak to 15psi and holds bout 12-13 and in 4th or 5th holds at 14psi , by the way i have a custom map but was just wondering as never had apr! Also the boost drops at 5000rpm to 10psi hold ??
Sharkie
13-05-2009, 12:26 PM
Had a boost gauge fitted (read in bar though) so will need to do the conversion.
APR V1 boost peaked at 1.4bar (20psi) (very occasionally 1.5bar (22psi)) and settled to 0.9bar (13psi)sustained in 3rd gear
After tuning the Forge diverter I got it to settle at almost 1.1bar (16psi) sustained after the initial peak.
mikepologti
15-05-2009, 02:11 AM
i think i have learnt my lesson , fun can be expensive. i only got 400kms out of my last tank!:eek:,.............more conservative driving required me thinks.
Sharkie
15-05-2009, 05:42 AM
i think i have learnt my lesson , fun can be expensive. i only got 400kms out of my last tank!:eek:,.............more conservative driving required me thinks.
400km is actually quite good .... I quite often got 350km or less on a tank when driving enthusiastically around town. Got 29l/100km at Morgan Park Raceway and often 5.7l/100km cruising close to the speed limit on the open road. Talk about extremes ......
Corey_R
15-05-2009, 09:46 AM
So I got myself a Polo GTI on Wednesday and took it down to European Autotech yesterday and had the APR ECU update put on it. I had no idea there are now two versions though. I wonder which one I ended up with? Is there any way for me to tell ?!
Guy_H
15-05-2009, 10:07 AM
So I got myself a Polo GTI on Wednesday and took it down to European Autotech yesterday and had the APR ECU update put on it. I had no idea there are now two versions though. I wonder which one I ended up with? Is there any way for me to tell ?!
Version 2 :driver:
Corey_R
15-05-2009, 10:48 AM
Thanks Guy :)
DeanB
15-05-2009, 12:04 PM
Version 2 :driver:
Is that definite that Derek will have put on V2 ? I only ask because when I had mine chipped in December I'm pretty sure that Derek put V1 on it. There's nothing on the receipt that states what version.
Is there a way for you to look it up for me on the APR database Guy ?
noone
15-05-2009, 12:29 PM
i think i have learnt my lesson , fun can be expensive. i only got 400kms out of my last tank!:eek:,.............more conservative driving required me thinks.
400 a tank!?! I don't think I'd see more than 300... Guess my suburban driving style is more for entertainment than frugal transport requirement...
Guy_H
15-05-2009, 02:40 PM
Is that definite that Derek will have put on V2 ? I only ask because when I had mine chipped in December I'm pretty sure that Derek put V1 on it. There's nothing on the receipt that states what version.
Is there a way for you to look it up for me on the APR database Guy ?
Just send me an email with name & approx date & I'll look it up for you!
Chrisuk-polo
21-05-2009, 04:10 AM
Had a boost gauge fitted (read in bar though) so will need to do the conversion.
APR V1 boost peaked at 1.4bar (20psi) (very occasionally 1.5bar (22psi)) and settled to 0.9bar (13psi)sustained in 3rd gear
After tuning the Forge diverter I got it to settle at almost 1.1bar (16psi) sustained after the initial peak.
which colour spring have you fitted to the forge valve or have you got the adjustable one??!
Sharkie
21-05-2009, 06:03 AM
which colour spring have you fitted to the forge valve or have you got the adjustable one??!
Green spring (as far as I can remember) and 2 shims.
noone
21-05-2009, 01:21 PM
If you get the V2, I would highly recommend the Seat intake and maybe a filter. Smoothed out the power lump which can make 1st gear a little tedious.
rocky09
15-01-2011, 09:08 PM
V2 is much better in the performance. I am race car driver for Volkswagen and i love it i also did some mods past season which included v2 in my ride also i was moving from USA to Australia so i sold mine on eBay for cheap price but u can always find more about this on internet and other sources.
PeterHBne
20-01-2011, 08:29 PM
god love the internet - what else would these people do to make a living? wonder what he got for his v2 on ebay?????????
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