thinking about a tig !!

[qsilverza]

Hey, thinking about a 125 tsi tig (Not sure man or DSG yet) to tow the race car...

I guess power wouldn't be a problem once chipped, what more can be done to these without killing reliability and the pocket ?

I would probably do the following,

Haldex controller with switch
Swaybar's
Coilover's - lower it a lot, mainly for handling
Exhaust
High performance Brake pad's
High performance Brake fluid

And than any standard mods for a turbo car...

Has anyone used there's to tow yet ? How did it go ?

I hate having to buy an SUV but I can't justify having another car just to tow, so unless I can get the tow rating up on the Bora (Somehow, reason for a turbo !!!) I may have to bite the bullet :(

Any must have options ? I will probably wait until I can get a demo model or a used one.:driver:

[NZTiguan]

There is NO DSG option and IMHO your best tow vehicle out there would be the diesel/auto BUT I suspect that's not what you're really wanting going by the majority of your post. Be aware that the reason that there's no DSG is because of the diesel's torque (the new Golf has DSG 7 speed EXCEPT on the diesel which is the same 6 speed auto as on the Tig) and in at least one case in GB a manual diesel was replaced with an auto as the manual box didn't much like all that torque either !! and torque is what towing is all about.

Cheers

[Sharkie]

Looking at your list of planned mods, the only thing I'd add is a CAI.

Then you'd be looking at around 210-220kw and 420-430NM which would mean the Tig (with your suspension mods) would blow the socks off the Bora in almost any imaginable situation.

Looking at it, I can see no reason not to buy a Tig ... :)

I'd get a manual though .......

[NZTiguan]

Then you'd be looking at around 210-220kw and 420-430NM which would mean the Tig (with your suspension mods) would blow the socks off the Bora in almost any imaginable situation.

I'd get a manual though .......

Good luck holding the transmission together !!

[Sharkie]

Good luck holding the transmission together !!

Actually APR has been running a modified A3 2.0TFSI Quattro Manual, which is essentially the same setup as in the Tiguan; 6speed manual & 4Motion, for about 4 years and it has been making in excess of 210kw/430NM ......

Whats more is that this was a test mule and a loan car for customers so it suffered a really tough life ......

As far as I know it never had any problems with any bit of the drivetrain so I'd have no fear in delivering that much and more power through the Tiguan manual .....

[NZTiguan]

Actually APR has been running a modified A3 2.0TFSI Quattro Manual, which is essentially the same setup as in the Tiguan; 6speed manual & 4Motion, for about 4 years and it has been making in excess of 210kw/430NM ......

Whats more is that this was a test mule and a loan car for customers so it suffered a really tough life ......

As far as I know it never had any problems with any bit of the drivetrain so I'd have no fear in delivering that much and more power through the Tiguan manual .....

That's fine but I suggest you look at the threads in http://www.mytiguan.com/ regarding towing and the diesel/manual gearbox issue. You'll find that due to the problems associated specifically with towing with this combination VWGB actually replaced a near new manual Tig with an auto because of issues with the transmission. Just trying to warn of possible potential problems. Doubt that the test car mentioned above was used specifically for towing which is what you'd initially talked about.

Cheers

[qsilverza]

Thanks,

I understand the diesel would be a better option because of the torque, what does the 103 KW chip up to power wise ? Given that I want it to remain as car like as possible, I think the TFSI will be a better option for me though I wish they would make it sound like a VR :)

I don't think I would take the diesel, the TFSI engine is economical and powerful and of course lots of parts around for it as it's similar to the GTI engine.

Any problems with the manual 125tsi TIG ?

What are the brakes like on the 125 TSI are they 4pots ? 312 mm's ?

The 4motion and 02m Box(If that's what they are using) is very reliable. 4motion diff is rated to 700 bhp.

[NZTiguan]

What I've been trying to say is that when "towing", the manual gearbox has an issue when mated with the 125kw diesel because of the TORQUE it produces. If you are going to chip up the petrol engine so its torque is as high as you mentioned earlier then it will be HIGHER than the diesel therefore you COULD have issues with the manual gearbox. It's just the manual gearbox that I believe MAY be suspect with the added torque (particularly when towing) as evidenced by the fact that there have been issues in GB with precisely this scenario !! Get me ?

[Sharkie]

I'm sorry to say but the diesel does not make that much more torque than the TSI. Peak torque is only 40NM less which is not a lot. 125tsi makes max torque from 1700-4200rmin which means it probably makes more torque than the tdi (1750-2500rmin) at various parts of the rev range.

All this talk about diesel torque is also just rubbish. Modern petrol turbos make just as much with better tuning potential. Q5 petrol and diesel 2.0s both make 350NM standard, hooked to a 7spd DSG, difference is petrol makes it earlier and for much longer than the diesel. I know which is better and more preferable.

Granted that towing does put additional stresses on a gearbox and an upgraded clutch (in a manual) is probably the way to go if you make more power and torque than standard. You will not likely be able to break the gearbox unless you make lots and lots of power AND abuse the gearbox. Mechanical sympathy goes a long way ......

A single incident is also hardly a reason to start broadcasting rubbish to the world. Gearboxes around the world break for all kinds of reasons and until such time that many more have broken on a manual under similar circumstances I would not even start to worry about it, let alone broadcast to the world that manuals in Tiguans are prone to breakage.

[Sharkie]

Thanks,

I understand the diesel would be a better option because of the torque, what does the 103 KW chip up to power wise ? Given that I want it to remain as car like as possible, I think the TFSI will be a better option for me though I wish they would make it sound like a VR :)

I don't think I would take the diesel, the TFSI engine is economical and powerful and of course lots of parts around for it as it's similar to the GTI engine.

Any problems with the manual 125tsi TIG ?

What are the brakes like on the 125 TSI are they 4pots ? 312 mm's ?

The 4motion and 02m Box(If that's what they are using) is very reliable. 4motion diff is rated to 700 bhp.

Tiguan 2.0TFSI (both 125 and 147) are the same as in the upcoming MK6 GTI and the current MY09 MK5 GTI in the USA.

Front brakes are 312mm and not 4 pots :frown:. Any GTI brake upgrade will work though.

chips alone: 103kw/320NM tdi = 125kw/390NM & 125kw/280NM tsi = about 191kw/410NM

147kw/280NM tsi also = about 191kw/410NM ....

any GTI engine mod will work though, so, 300kw+/500NM+ is quite possible if your wallet is deep enough :)

Don't look at the Tiguan as a SUV ...... look at it as an AWD GTI ....... (for less $$$ than a GTI as well)

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Actually APR has been running a modified A3 2.0TFSI Quattro Manual, which is essentially the same setup as in the Tiguan; 6speed manual & 4Motion, for about 4 years and it has been making in excess of 210kw/430NM ...
If that's the one I'm thinking of, have you seen what they've done with it lately?

[qsilverza]

Thanks for that...

Any idea what stud pattern they are ? Going on that, the petrol model has got loadsss of torque to pull...

I want to see one that has been lowered and how that handles that would probably help me decide :)


Tiguan 2.0TFSI (both 125 and 147) are the same as in the upcoming MK6 GTI and the current MY09 MK5 GTI in the USA.

Front brakes are 312mm and not 4 pots :frown:. Any GTI brake upgrade will work though.

chips alone: 103kw/320NM tdi = 125kw/390NM & 125kw/280NM tsi = about 191kw/410NM

147kw/280NM tsi also = about 191kw/410NM ....

any GTI engine mod will work though, so, 300kw+/500NM+ is quite possible if your wallet is deep enough :)

Don't look at the Tiguan as a SUV ...... look at it as an AWD GTI ....... (for less $$$ than a GTI as well)

[NZTiguan]

A single incident is also hardly a reason to start broadcasting rubbish to the world. Gearboxes around the world break for all kinds of reasons and until such time that many more have broken on a manual under similar circumstances I would not even start to worry about it, let alone broadcast to the world that manuals in Tiguans are prone to breakage.

Jeez I was just trying to be helpful and warn of a "possible" consequence of chipping a manual. Doesn't worry me a jot cos I've got an unchipped diesel auto. Nothing I said was rubbish, it was all fact. I never said the gearbox had "broken" either. The FACTS are that a manual 125kw diesel specifically used for towing was replaced by VW with an auto version of the same car as not fit for the purpose (as I understand it). The transmission was making strange noises particularly on take off and was considered a risk for failure. The suggestion I was making to you was that if you're going to put even MORE torque through that gearbox, particularly when towing, then don't expect VW to wear any problems you have with the transmission. Just trying to save you some grief (based on actual facts with an actual Tiguan manual towcar) that's all. I do understand that a number of manual gearboxes in europe were replaced with an aluminium cased one (that was the explanation given) that seemed to overcome some early issues but I don't know 1: if that new gearbox is now standard or 2: if it would still have problems in a high torque, high load towing situation.

Next time I'll just leave you to find out for yourself.

[Transporter]

Actually APR has been running a modified A3 2.0TFSI Quattro Manual, which is essentially the same setup as in the Tiguan; 6speed manual & 4Motion, for about 4 years and it has been making in excess of 210kw/430NM ......

Whats more is that this was a test mule and a loan car for customers so it suffered a really tough life ......

As far as I know it never had any problems with any bit of the drivetrain so I'd have no fear in delivering that much and more power through the Tiguan manual .....

How many of the modified cars are they thesting?
Is it one only or more like 10 or 20 cars at the same time?
They can get lucky with one car only.
But it is OK if you like taking a risk.

[Sharkie]

How many of the modified cars are they thesting?
Is it one only or more like 10 or 20 cars at the same time?
They can get lucky with one car only.
But it is OK if you like taking a risk.

True, they could have been lucky. And just as likely that the single Tiguan gearbox failure can be classed as unlucky ....... it happens.

APR at any moment has at least 4 different cars from the VAG stable as test mules (currently 1 Porsche, 1 Audi, 1 Skoda and 2 VWs), all heavily modified and most frequently driven by customers with little mechanical sympathy. I do not know of any major mechanical failures in the last few years, so on average I'd say cars from VAG group can take a fair bit of punishement before suffering catastrophic failure.

You would be unlucky to break a major component such as a gearbox etc .... it happens (and has happened to members on this forum and on perfectly standard cars) but you can call yourself unlucky if it did.

You would be no more exposed to major component failure if you did modifications within reasonable limits than if your car was standard.

[Sharkie]

If that's the one I'm thinking of, have you seen what they've done with it lately?

I believe its been traded in on a S3 recently.

[Transporter]

True, they could have been lucky. And just as likely that the single Tiguan gearbox failure can be classed as unlucky ....... it happens.

APR at any moment has at least 4 different cars from the VAG stable as test mules (currently 1 Porsche, 1 Audi, 1 Skoda and 2 VWs), all heavily modified and most frequently driven by customers with little mechanical sympathy. I do not know of any major mechanical failures in the last few years, so on average I'd say cars from VAG group can take a fair bit of punishement before suffering catastrophic failure.

You would be unlucky to break a major component such as a gearbox etc .... it happens (and has happened to members on this forum and on perfectly standard cars) but you can call yourself unlucky if it did.

You would be no more exposed to major component failure if you did modifications within reasonable limits than if your car was standard.

So, the gearbox failed on unmodified standard car and you think that the modified car will not increase the chance of the gearbox failure.
My logic is telling me that you increasing your chance of gearbox failure a lot.
Check the specification of the gearbox they are built to handle (transmit) certain amount of torque, if you go over that max. limit anything can happen and most likely will, if you would constantly using more torque.
Hey it is your car, so it’s not my business what you do with it.
Just when you sell it secondhand let the buyer know that it was chipped or remapped, will you? :biggrin:

[NZTiguan]

So, the gearbox failed on unmodified standard car and you think that the modified car will not increase the chance of the gearbox failure.
My logic is telling me that you increasing your chance of gearbox failure a lot.
Check the specification of the gearbox they are built to handle (transmit) certain amount of torque, if you go over that max. limit anything can happen and most likely will, if you would constantly using more torque.
Hey it is your car, so it’s not my business what you do with it.
Just when you sell it secondhand let the buyer know that it was chipped or remapped, will you? :biggrin:

Don't worry, he knows much more about this than the manufacturers !! Fortunately I think the Original Poster will be much more circumspect.

[Sharkie]

LOL .... it is this "fear" of modification that makes people who drive standard cars actively put down people who do. :eek: Have a look around and see what it is out there that can be done for minimal risk. I have owned more than 25 cars in the last 20 years and have actively modified more than half of them.

This have included 6 BMWs and I modified every single one of them. None of them ever broken down on me. Even my 2 M3s were modified and I have taken them to extremes inlcuding numerous track days.

So I'm an enthusiast that enjoy my cars and guess what; I don't care what other people think. I have experience with modified cars and still to this day defer to tuning specialists when it comes to what can and cannot be done. So when a tuning specialist informs me what they have found to be the limits to which you can push certain components, then I happily stay within those limits. Reasonable limits is the key here.

If VW/Audi is prepared to put basically the same engine and gearbox in the Tiguan, suitably "modified" in the Audi TTS that makes 200kw and provide a 3 year warranty then I'm sure what I'm doing to it is not going to break it.:eek:

Yes, there is always a chance that a modification increases risk, but I for one is prepared to live with it. Unless you have personal experience with modifications don't pass judgement on those that do.

Have a look through the Polo section for instance. There is a known gearbox issue on these. Have a look at how many standard cars have had issues and how many modified ones. You'd be surprised to notice that almost no modified cars had issues wherease many standard cars did.

Did modification make a difference here? Almost certainly not. I may just have been lucky (again for the 25th time in a row lol) and that with my car making more than 70% more power and torque than standard. The gearbox was as good when I sold it as it was when I bought it. Did I dramatically shorten the life of it? Probably, but I saw it as an oppertunity rather than a liability, a failed gearbox would have allowed me to do yet another upgrade ....

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at the risk of adding fuel to this gearbox issue, I'll throw in my 2c worth.

1. I can almost guarantee you that the failed gearbox was due to driver behaviour. I would bet 100 to 1 that the driver using a 6 speed manual and towing whatever it was, was very happy to get it into to top gear as soon as possible to let the "torque" of his diesel do it's supposed stuff. I have driven with people that go from 0 - 60k/h going from 1st to 5th gear in the space of 50m, and pull up hills in top gear at 1500rpm. Why?, "because it's a diesel and you don't need to keep the revs up", so they all too often just let it labour along. This puts a strain on the engine, but particularly, it puts a phenomenal strain on the gearbox and running gear. I have heard many cases of this happening, and know one from personal experience (brother-in-law stripped out 5th gear in his new patrol towing the horse float from this exact behaviour- too used to driving trucks).

2. the Oettinger people in Germany love the 6 speed Tiguan gearbox, and have not had any issues with them in the modified Tigs over there - at least as to 8 weeks ago.

[Transporter]

LOL .... it is this "fear" of modification that makes people who drive standard cars actively put down people who do. :eek: Have a look around and see what it is out there that can be done for minimal risk. I have owned more than 25 cars in the last 20 years and have actively modified more than half of them.

This have included 6 BMWs and I modified every single one of them. None of them ever broken down on me. Even my 2 M3s were modified and I have taken them to extremes inlcuding numerous track days.

So I'm an enthusiast that enjoy my cars and guess what; I don't care what other people think. I have experience with modified cars and still to this day defer to tuning specialists when it comes to what can and cannot be done. So when a tuning specialist informs me what they have found to be the limits to which you can push certain components, then I happily stay within those limits. Reasonable limits is the key here.

If VW/Audi is prepared to put basically the same engine and gearbox in the Tiguan, suitably "modified" in the Audi TTS that makes 200kw and provide a 3 year warranty then I'm sure what I'm doing to it is not going to break it.:eek:

Yes, there is always a chance that a modification increases risk, but I for one is prepared to live with it. Unless you have personal experience with modifications don't pass judgement on those that do.

Have a look through the Polo section for instance. There is a known gearbox issue on these. Have a look at how many standard cars have had issues and how many modified ones. You'd be surprised to notice that almost no modified cars had issues wherease many standard cars did.

Did modification make a difference here? Almost certainly not. I may just have been lucky (again for the 25th time in a row lol) and that with my car making more than 70% more power and torque than standard. The gearbox was as good when I sold it as it was when I bought it. Did I dramatically shorten the life of it? Probably, but I saw it as an oppertunity rather than a liability, a failed gearbox would have allowed me to do yet another upgrade ....

So, is that your secret to modified car not breaking down?
When the component breaks down than you call it upgrade. :biggrin:
With some expensive cars you've owned there, you probably don't care if the car breaks down on you or not but not everybody on this forum is as rich and doesn't want to spend money on unnecessary repairs.;)

[Pullstarter]

I think everyone knows there is an element of risk when you modify any car. No matter what anyone's opinion on this forum is people will either mod their cars and accept the risk or not mod them and play it safe. I don't see the point in trying to portray someone elses opinion about modding as wrong unless there is technical evidence to the contrary. Even then, if mods are done carefully and comprehensively drawing upon the experience of highly qualified people such as APR you would have little to worry about. A company such as APR does not build a reputation such as they have by doing dodgy mods and mods that will risk reliability past an acceptable level. People have freedom of choice and should go into these things with their eyes wide open. Just as modders repect people who wish to keep their car standard, non-modders should respect that modders will do what they do in the full knowledge of the risks involved. The information base that Sharkie is drawing from is a very highly skilled and informative one and he should not be rubbished for willing to spend money on his cars, if that's his hobby so be it.

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I think everyone knows there is an element of risk when you modify any car. No matter what anyone's opinion on this forum is people will either mod their cars and accept the risk or not mod them and play it safe. I don't see the point in trying to portray someone elses opinion about modding as wrong unless there is technical evidence to the contrary. Even then, if mods are done carefully and comprehensively drawing upon the experience of highly qualified people such as APR you would have little to worry about. A company such as APR does not build a reputation such as they have by doing dodgy mods and mods that will risk reliability past an acceptable level. People have freedom of choice and should go into these things with their eyes wide open. Just as modders repect people who wish to keep their car standard, non-modders should respect that modders will do what they do in the full knowledge of the risks involved. The information base that Sharkie is drawing from is a very highly skilled and informative one and he should not be rubbished for willing to spend money on his cars, if that's his hobby so be it.

+1
well said! and also very true IMO

[NZTiguan]

No one rubbished anybody about doing mods to their car. I'm more than happy to see people mod till they pop, all I was trying to do was give a little advice on a "possible" problem that I felt was worth their investigating. Obviously nobody did read the article I referred them to as they continue to talk about a broken gearbox (it wasn't broken) and are now talking absolute drivel about the drivers abilities. If you don't want friendly advice don't post on forums like this, and particularly don't shoot the efin messenger.

[High-Fidelity]

Geez... if I wanted all this agro, I would have just told the missus I'd spent more money on the Tiguan... which hasn't even arrived yet!

Let's not get too excited :)

Ben.

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and are now talking absolute drivel about the drivers abilities.
haha - I knew that would fire up someone!

However, I do beg to differ on that NZ. Ask Toyota and Nissan for their thoughts.

And yes, I read that thread about 3 months ago, and I know the gearbox hadn't failed. I found that particular story confusing and inconsistent in some aspects. I question VW's supposed quick roll-over, very suspect as well. Not a response that I would expect from any manufacturer given the circumstances "as posted". Something not quite right with that story IMHO.

But then I take information published on forums with a certain amount of cynicism. All too often there is another story behind it, as anyone in the automotive industry would surely be aware of. So to say that you are reporting fact, well, you might be leaving yourself a little open there -fact as far as reported on an internet forum, yes, but as I've said before, it wouldn't matter what car you care to talk about, chances are you'll find major, serious issues with all of them if you want to take the time to search them.

[Sharkie]

So, is that your secret to modified car not breaking down?
When the component breaks down than you call it upgrade. :biggrin:
With some expensive cars you've owned there, you probably don't care if the car breaks down on you or not but not everybody on this forum is as rich and doesn't want to spend money on unnecessary repairs.;)

Transporter if you have never modified 1 of your cars please stick to something you actually know something about.

In your world, of dealer information, sales brochures and VWs official "technical" limits which you (and some others) believe every word of, I'm sure you believe that any mod will cause the car to break down, crash, explode and kill you or something ...... :duh:

Many companies spend thousands of $$$ researching upgrades and in some cases are highly respected by VW themselves. Oettinger and APR enjoy really close relationships with VAG to the extent that not only have they produced limited edition cars for VW but are often also asked to produce show cars .......

If your "they are built to handle (transmit) certain amount of torque, if you go over that max. limit anything can happen and most likely will," was true on any of their products then please explain the 1000+ chipped Golf MK5 GTI's with DSG gearboxes "Rated at 350NM" running around with more than 400NM with no problems whatsoever. APR currently has more than a 1000 Golf GTI chip customers in Australia alone and not a single one have suffered a gearbox failure. And I've seen some of them drive and it definately is not because they take it easy on their cars ......

As said by a few others here now, I respect your decision not to mod your car, just as I expect you to respect that I do mod mine. What this forum also needs is less people who want to force an opinion down somebody's throat especially if they have no real idea what they are talking about.

[Sharkie]

If you don't want friendly advice don't post on forums like this, and particularly don't shoot the efin messenger.

By all means post advice, but limit it to what you actually have done (your foglight stuff was great) or experienced yourself.

If you found something else of interest by all means point to it, but to go ahead and post "a possible problem to be aware of" without actual knowledge about the situation is just asking for trouble.

But to go and post "Good luck holding the transmission together !!" on something that you clearly have no actual knowledge of also shows that (1) you actually really have no knowledge of how these things work, (2) you value your opinion (which is clearly wrong) more than other's years of accumulated experience in these things and (3) you have a fear of the unkown and disrespect those that explore the boundaries of what can and can't be done. You can hardly call a statement like that "friendly advice". Please keep those to yourself in the future.

[Transporter]

Since it is public forum I'm sure that many people will follow yours and others nonsense upgrades of the car which was once approved for driving on the public roads, they need to be worn about potential/real risks about doing modification on the car.

This are you words from the previous post in this thread:
"any GTI engine mod will work though, so, 300kw+/500NM+ is quite possible if your wallet is deep enough "

Unless you upgrade: brakes, suspension and other safety components on the car as well, it is purely dangerous and stupid. It doesn’t matter how many times you’ve done it. And because you never had an accident it doesn’t meant that the car you drive is safe. Somebody else will be a judge of it.

Golf with this power and torque while used to its potential (why otherwise would you put 300kW+/500Nm in the car like that?) It doesn't take too much brain to figure out will have very limited life and will not be a nice (easy) car to drive.
Of course I know it will not blow out next day.
It is not a problem for some; they sell it within 3 years.

You drive your car on the public roads, don't you, so if you (or anyone in the highly modified car) try to tell me that you stick to the speed limit and always drive in safe manner than again anybody with just a 1/2 of the brain wouldn't believe you.

Just don’t get your car scrapped one day on the road.

[Sharkie]

Since it is public forum I'm sure that many people will follow yours and others nonsense upgrades of the car which was once approved for driving on the public roads, they need to be worn about potential/real risks about doing modification on the car.

This are you words from the previous post in this thread:
"any GTI engine mod will work though, so, 300kw+/500NM+ is quite possible if your wallet is deep enough "

Unless you upgrade: brakes, suspension and other safety components on the car as well, it is purely dangerous and stupid. It doesn’t matter how many times you’ve done it. And because you never had an accident it doesn’t meant that the car you drive is safe. Somebody else will be a judge of it.

Golf with this power and torque while used to its potential (why otherwise would you put 300kW+/500Nm in the car like that?) It doesn't take too much brain to figure out will have very limited life and will not be a nice (easy) car to drive.
Of course I know it will not blow out next day.
It is not a problem for some; they sell it within 3 years.

You drive your car on the public roads, don't you, so if you (or anyone in the highly modified car) try to tell me that you stick to the speed limit and always drive in safe manner than again anybody with just a 1/2 of the brain wouldn't believe you.

Just don’t get your car scrapped one day on the road.

LOL .... "nonsense" ..... That "It doesn't take too much brain" is really shining strongly through here mate .... :duh: ROFL

It is obvious you don't not know anything about modifications so please stick to things you do know something about. An intelligent modification includes many many many more things that just power .... your attempts at scaremongering are just ridicilous and laughable ....

[Transporter]

LOL .... "nonsense" ..... That "It doesn't take too much brain" is really shining strongly through here mate .... :duh: ROFL

It is obvious you don't not know anything about modifications so please stick to things you do know something about. An intelligent modification includes many many many more things that just power .... your attempts at scaremongering are just ridicilous and laughable ....

In your circles only.
300kW/500Nm :duh: :biggrin:

[NZTiguan]

For heaven's sake Sharkie, we were only trying to help the OP, who seemed to appreciate our help by the way. Personally I couldn't care less what you do to your vehicle and I certainly wasn't trying to scare anybody, just to inform and so allow them to make their own informed decision. Just because people disagree with you doesn't mean you have to start getting into a personal slanging match.

[Sharkie]

For heaven's sake Sharkie, we were only trying to help the OP, who seemed to appreciate our help by the way. .

And right there the bull***** & :horsepoop:continues ..... I suggest you have look at this thread again from the beginning and see who actually provided the OP with information that suited his original post and who from the beginning started correcting him, pointing him an another direction and when you did not like the information provided by others starting attacking their information and slanging their experience and knowledge.

Its clear the OP wanted to modify his car and if you don't like that sort of thing, fine, just stay out of the discussion as you then obviously have nothing worthwhile to contribute.

[NZTiguan]

OK, I concede, you obviously know best. Happy now ?? Do have a lovely restful weekend won't you !! T.G.I.F.

[Transporter]

For heaven's sake Sharkie, we were only trying to help the OP, who seemed to appreciate our help by the way. Personally I couldn't care less what you do to your vehicle and I certainly wasn't trying to scare anybody, just to inform and so allow them to make their own informed decision. Just because people disagree with you doesn't mean you have to start getting into a personal slanging match.

Hang on, mate.
Maybe we (and other people) should care what he and others are doing to the vehicle because he is driving on the public roads. Highly modified car will also produce more pollution, which as a daily ride is not good for the environment as well. Lets bring the law that when you increase the power output of the engine in your car by certain amount it cannot be driven on the public roads. I think I'm going to see my friend who is involved in politics.

[NZTiguan]

Hang on, mate.
Maybe we (and other people) should care what he and others are doing to the vehicle because he is driving on the public roads. Highly modified car will also produce more pollution, which as a daily ride is not good for the environment as well. Lets bring the law that when you increase the power output of the engine in your car by certain amount it cannot be driven on the public roads. I think I'm going to see my friend who is involved in politics.

Fair enough call, I can hear the howls of protest already :brutal: You've got my vote.

[Pullstarter]

Hang on, mate.
Maybe we (and other people) should care what he and others are doing to the vehicle because he is driving on the public roads. Highly modified car will also produce more pollution, which as a daily ride is not good for the environment as well. Lets bring the law that when you increase the power output of the engine in your car by certain amount it cannot be driven on the public roads. I think I'm going to see my friend who is involved in politics.

I don't think we have much to fear from your "friend who is involved in politics". If his grammar is anything like yours the legislation would be null and void. Apart from the fact I (and 99.9% of other enthusiasts) would hardly consider the OP's list of potential modifications as "highly modified".

[Sharkie]

Hang on, mate.
Maybe we (and other people) should care what he and others are doing to the vehicle because he is driving on the public roads. Highly modified car will also produce more pollution, which as a daily ride is not good for the environment as well. Lets bring the law that when you increase the power output of the engine in your car by certain amount it cannot be driven on the public roads. I think I'm going to see my friend who is involved in politics.


Fair enough call, I can hear the howls of protest already :brutal: You've got my vote.

Well done gentlemen ! This feeble attempt at sarcasm really lets the strength or rather lack thereof of that half a brain shine through ...

Unable to mount a valid argument with any real technical merit you resort to sarcasm ... :bowdown: not even realising that even that has a gaping big technical hole in it ..... :duh: and to make it worse its not even a good attempt .... :duh::duh:

Your conduct in this thread has not at all been to your credit, in fact you probably don't realise that the majority of people on this forum are actually enthusiasts who enjoy their cars and have quite an interest in modifications, and by your actions you've probably alienated a large proportion of them. (well those that could be bothered to read a Tiguan thread anyway).

Keep up the good work, from here on it can only get better, or is it a case of "how low can you go" ? :bluesbro:

[Transporter]

I don't think we have much to fear from your "friend who is involved in politics". If his grammar is anything like yours the legislation would be null and void. Apart from the fact I (and 99.9% of other enthusiasts) would hardly consider the OP's list of potential modifications as "highly modified".

You fear already, otherwise you wouldn't respond like you did.

[Paragon]

Wow people like you really do exist outside of "Today Tonight". I now understand that I really should not upgrade my wheels to 19s so that I don't suddenly veer out of control and run into the first childcare centre I see.

I will have to remove my aftermarket air filter as well because all that extra induction noise is scaring away all the local fauna.

[Transporter]

Good on you, mate. :)

[Pullstarter]

One word; "sarcasm", that is all.......................

[qsilverza]

Ok,

Thanks for all the advice and comments, Will let you know if and when, I decide to buy a tig but, I think it will be a 125 TSI with APR chip/good suspension and a decent brake upgrade if needed.

Let's all get along nicely, after all, we are all human (Most of us, Hehe) and we all love somebody (Hopefully) so in essence are the same. This thread was collecting some decent information relating to the Tig in specifications/figures/modding so maybe we could argue the point of Tuning vs Non.Tuning elsewhere "My TUNING PWNS YOUR NON TUNING" or something similar. :)

Thanks !

[NZTiguan]

Ok,

Thanks for all the advice and comments, Will let you know if and when, I decide to buy a tig but, I think it will be a 125 TSI with APR chip/good suspension and a decent brake upgrade if needed.

Let's all get along nicely, after all, we are all human (Most of us, Hehe) and we all love somebody (Hopefully) so in essence are the same. This thread was collecting some decent information relating to the Tig in specifications/figures/modding so maybe we could argue the point of Tuning vs Non.Tuning elsewhere "My TUNING PWNS YOUR NON TUNING" or something similar. :)

Thanks !

Cheers, sorry if things got carried away here, certainly not my intention. I have no beef with the modding guys, was just trying to warn you of a possible issue with the manual gearbox that's all, based on things I'd read in other forums. Will be interested to hear what you get in the end.

Cheers

[Pullstarter]

Be sure to start a "build-up thread" if you go ahead with it, hopefully mine will be starting shortly :)

[qsilverza]

Sure ! :) I will keep my eyes peeled over the next six months, hopefully somebody can take me for a ride in a chipped version :)


Be sure to start a "build-up thread" if you go ahead with it, hopefully mine will be starting shortly :)