EOI Dyno challenge 2010 Nationals

[Bug_racer]

I had a thought and I ran it by some people who thought it was a good idea .

I was thinking we stage a dyno day , limited to 15 cars which must make a minimum of 200kw atws . Tuners and businesses will take priority before the general public . I was thinking the Friday night before the nationals ? This year is too soon and next year will see some pretty crazy cars that should be finished .

Your thoughts

[BL33SU]

how many cars do that much power lol

[static1800]

Would you get 15 cars there making that sort of power? The time and effort would be much better used for a track day imo

[Bug_racer]

Would you get 15 cars there making that sort of power? The time and effort would be much better used for a track day imo

There is a track day the following day !

[Jarred]

how many cars do that much power lol

Yea, I can't say I really know of too many cars that have that much power. Both water and aircooled cars that is.

and It seems like a fair effort for only 15 cars...

[Peter Jones]

Personally, I wouldn't find this event interesting enough to attend.

The participants might though, sort of a shoot out scenario.

Pete

[Tim]

if you look at successful events like the summernats, springnats and easternats they all have varied events across the weekend. I think a show and shine only has so much appeal. If there are different things to look forward to its a lot more interesting. Id find a dyno shootout of interest if there was enough competition. I quite like seeing peoples cars in action. Could be fun.

Is there any sort of motorkhana event planned? Surely that would be something that lots of people could have fun with.

[Oneofthegreats]

if you look at successful events like the summernats, springnats and easternats they all have varied events across the weekend. I think a show and shine only has so much appeal. If there are different things to look forward to its a lot more interesting. Id find a dyno shootout of interest if there was enough competition. I quite like seeing peoples cars in action. Could be fun.

Is there any sort of motorkhana event planned? Surely that would be something that lots of people could have fun with.

I'm with Tim on this.

It's branching out & making the event more interesting for people, instead of driving 1000km & sitting in a beer garden getting drunk! haha.

After entering & been involved in event's such as Easternat's & Performance Car Mania at Winton, I personally am not a fan at all of static car show's anymore & find it very boring. I'd rather go to an event & see car's being used/hammered incl. my own car.

Are you thinking of only limiting it to VW air & watercooled Seb?

[Water Boy]

200kw's at the wheels is a big call... Maybe drags like the Nats in the 90's :biggrin:

[Manaz]

My thoughts about limiting it to cars with X kW ATW is that anyone entering will almost certainly know already what their car produces, and there'd be limited appeal in putting their car on another dyno (though it would potentially sort out some of the "your dyno operator makes your car look better" arguments.

What would, to me, prove to be interesting would be a "before and after" dyno run on work that can be completed on a car in a set period of time (reflashes, intake mods, exhaust mods, etc). This would give real-world performance increase benchmarks for a variety of mods, and could prove to be very interesting to a large number of people.

One question I have relating to dynos - we all know they can be used to measure engine power - what about braking force?

[DaveMack]

All contestants going to fuel-up from the same pump? :biggrin:

Dave

[Bug_racer]

Well if 15 cars dont enter then its whatever enters ?

I just thought of it as a small event , same weekend as the nationals when there is a large amount of people here . If you think this is boring I dont get it , you'll see the same type of cars at the show although instead of being a static display there would be something happening . The only thing that happens at the VW show is the engine blow . If it wasnt for catching up with old buddies I worked with I wouldnt bother going .

Pump fuel , race gas - who cares whatever tickles your fancy

I can think of 5 companies that fit the critea of min of 200kw atws and 25 cars either being built or finished Australia wide . Im sure there is more out there that I dont know about

[Jarred]

If there were 25 cars there then defiantly it'd be good fun!

Could be a bit monotonus (spelling?? ie boring] if they're all mk 5 GTI's imo. ie same cars doing the same thing..

Maybe a mini motorkhana [like only a few different set ups] and or drags/ go-to-woah, could make for some pretty good viewing imo!

[Mischa]

i like the idea. something tells me my s2 wont be making that power by then though :P

[fuzion]

it'd be good to see anything on there, seb has a point.. its a static display and other then the engine blow up .. what has changed?

good to keep the same but also bring in some new too .. would be a good idea, might .. oh god lets say it.. BRING SOME YOUNGER PEOPLE into the scene too for the show lol

[KI11Z]

i also think its a top idea and a good thing to have a minimum output so that it's not too boring ;) + fingers crossed there'll be more than just mk5's with "APR" . . . .

[fuzion]

i also think its a top idea and a good thing to have a minimum output so that it's not too boring ;) + fingers crossed there'll be more than just mk5's with "APR" . . . .

kizz, i think you forgot about milka's beast, the mk5 from melb, lucas' a4 quattro, chipped s3's .. list goes on.. theres a few out there dude..

[Tim]

Not to take away from the thread topic too much. But yeah i reckon a Go to woah would be a great idea. Its not only rewards the fastest car. You have to be a good driver to put your power down and be able to keep a handle on the braking side of things too. Especially difficult in a fwd. Big power may hinder more than help!

Seriously to make a top weekend all that needs to be done is to copy the formula that many events already use.

[fuzion]

Not to take away from the thread topic too much. But yeah i reckon a Go to woah would be a great idea. Its not only rewards the fastest car. You have to be a good driver to put your power down and be able to keep a handle on the braking side of things too. Especially difficult in a fwd. Big power may hinder more than help!

Seriously to make a top weekend all that needs to be done is to copy the formula that many events already use.

very true tim, agree there..

i'd like to see anybody who is really eager to get on, from a 1.6 carby to a 200+kw awd/fwd/rwd.. wouldnt bother me either way as long as it doesnt run 20" chromies lol

[BL33SU]

very true tim, agree there..

i'd like to see anybody who is really eager to get on, from a 1.6 carby to a 200+kw awd/fwd/rwd.. wouldnt bother me either way as long as it doesnt run 20" chromies lol

wots wrong with 20" chromies :duh:

[KI11Z]

very true tim, agree there..

i'd like to see anybody who is really eager to get on, from a 1.6 carby to a 200+kw awd/fwd/rwd.. wouldnt bother me either way as long as it doesnt run 20" chromies lol

I'll ditto this ;)

[gareth_oau]

if you open it up to the ford/holden/GTR brigade then 200ATWKW would not be that difficult - my GT-P has been dynoed at 286.

I also understand AWD are more tricky on dynoes and might slow the pace of the day right down

[fuzion]

if you open it up to the ford/holden/GTR brigade then 200ATWKW would not be that difficult - my GT-P has been dynoed at 286.

I also understand AWD are more tricky on dynoes and might slow the pace of the day right down

yeah any ford/holden can easily hit this, so most of the jap cars with big power! btu we're vw/audi/seat here damnit lol.

awd on dyno, not long.. last 2 years we've had over 40 cars each dyno day and they get them on and get them off almost as quick!

[Guy_H]

Drive a thousand km's to run a car on a dyno that I can do 800m from our workshop - no thanks.

Drive a thousand km's to do 40 laps of Wakefield - yes please :)

Make it a real shootout like the magazines do - get their drivers to run it around a track & compare other stuff - suspension setup, braking, cornering - then you might get some real interest in people traveling distances for the event :toast:

We have offered to do this with MK5's but struggle to find even a single other MK5 to compare to (an we would travel to Sydney for this & Motor magazine will do the test)

As much as I like a car show, it's a long way to go to see a bunch of cars sitting around..

[Bug_racer]

Drive a thousand km's to run a car on a dyno that I can do 800m from our workshop - no thanks.

Drive a thousand km's to do 40 laps of Wakefield - yes please :)

Make it a real shootout like the magazines do - get their drivers to run it around a track & compare other stuff - suspension setup, braking, cornering - then you might get some real interest in people traveling distances for the event :toast:

We have offered to do this with MK5's but struggle to find even a single other MK5 to compare to (an we would travel to Sydney for this & Motor magazine will do the test)

As much as I like a car show, it's a long way to go to see a bunch of cars sitting around..

I think everyone is missing the whole point of this . This is not replacing any events , this is going to be run in the afternoon/ night .

You cant run track days and other events at night , well you could but Sat already is a whole day spent at the track already . Im adding an event which would suit people time wise . Who would go to a motorkhana out at Goulburn at 5pm after work ? If this doesnt go ahead then there will be no events in this time slot !


And Guy the other Golf MK5's are all in Melbourne . AFAIK there isnt any in Sydney .

[whiteVR6]

I think its a great idea...
My car WILL be ready so I'll be in it!:)

[Jarred]

I don't know if many of the aircoolers would be interested in this event, [also due to the power restriction] so would that make it more difficult to have this as an official national's event, [like the sprint is now an official event]

[Guy_H]

I think everyone is missing the whole point of this . This is not replacing any events , this is going to be run in the afternoon/ night .

You cant run track days and other events at night , well you could but Sat already is a whole day spent at the track already . Im adding an event which would suit people time wise . Who would go to a motorkhana out at Goulburn at 5pm after work ? If this doesnt go ahead then there will be no events in this time slot !


And Guy the other Golf MK5's are all in Melbourne . AFAIK there isnt any in Sydney .


What would be a good spectacle is to have the Aircooled big HP drag cars run on the dyno - should see some big HP numbers & as well it will make a great noise for the spectators.

Not being from Sydney - how long does it take to get from Goulburn to Fairfield? - Seems like a few hours at least - makes it hard to cram everything in on a weekend.

[DubSteve]

And Guy the other Golf MK5's are all in Melbourne . AFAIK there isnt any in Sydney .

There are 2 in Sydney that are under the radar that I know of ;)


I don't know if many of the aircoolers would be interested in this event, [also due to the power restriction] so would that make it more difficult to have this as an official national's event, [like the sprint is now an official event]

Agree with Jarred the guys from the aircooled side will be sigled out with this :?

[DubSteve]

Not being from Sydney - how long does it take to get from Goulburn to Fairfield? - Seems like a few hours at least - makes it hard to cram everything in on a weekend.

Alteast a couple, would be a very tight schedule and we can't forget that this is a aircooled organisation and to create other events without there involvement would be bad I guess.

[Golf Houso]

Not being from Sydney - how long does it take to get from Goulburn to Fairfield? - Seems like a few hours at least - makes it hard to cram everything in on a weekend.

3-4 hours...

[Mischa]

3-4 hours...

more like 2

[Golf Houso]

more like 2

Its over 3 for where I am, although it depends heavily on how you drive :wink:

[Mischa]

Its over 3 for where I am, although it depends heavily on how you drive :wink:

try it in the vr6, you'll find it takes 1/2 the time as what it did in the 8v ;) afterall, you've got 4 more valves total :D

[Golf Houso]

try it in the vr6, you'll find it takes 1/2 the time as what it did in the 8v ;) afterall, you've got 4 more valves total :D

Haha definately, my cousin took just over 3 hours from Bonnyrigg in his fully BA Falcon with 3 other hefty blokes... The latter probably contributed most to the length of the journey though!

[fuzion]

:eek: Goulburn from Syd City has always taken me under 2 hours!

Quicker at night, must be because no wind lag from other vehicles and trucks?!$# :P

[Bug_racer]

For those that said it will be boring you have the opportunity to put forward something to do on the Friday night for approx 4 hours , remembering there is a track day all day Sat and a show and shine all day Sunday .

[Golf Loon]

I reckon 2 days of VW fun is plenty already for most families and interstaters.

Some of us have family and other commitments and so have to limit the time we spend playing with VWs.

Surely any car that can produce big numbers on a dyno should be able to come to Wakefield and have some hot laps. More fun than standing round a carpark IMO.

I`ll be at wakefield with the 20VT Rocco and then I`ll go home and clean it ready for the nats the next day. Thats more than enough VW action for one weekend, at least as far as the Mrs and Kids are concerned.

[twin eng, twin turbs]

Im really looking forward to this years nats and dare i say it my MK2 turbo may nudge 200kw atw it got 148 then the spark wasn't strong enough and a new clutch died so we dropped boost back down a little for 138 kw atw. But with a full tune to be done shortly it could be a contender. :biggrin:
Wakefield is going to be AWESOME!!! Even if we dont do a dyno evening....

[Bug_racer]

I reckon 2 days of VW fun is plenty already for most families and interstaters.

Some of us have family and other commitments and so have to limit the time we spend playing with VWs.

Surely any car that can produce big numbers on a dyno should be able to come to Wakefield and have some hot laps. More fun than standing round a carpark IMO.

I`ll be at wakefield with the 20VT Rocco and then I`ll go home and clean it ready for the nats the next day. Thats more than enough VW action for one weekend, at least as far as the Mrs and Kids are concerned.

It might be plenty for most , but in reality thats just your assumption isnt it ?

Yeah a lot of us have commitments , but its over a years notice so surely you can make some arrangements ? Anyway who says there will be a wakefield park day next year ?

looks like this will go ahead , the numbers represented on here are , well , just people who wont be attending anyway . 3 tuners so far have expressed interested and Im yet to really approach any yet .
Big numbers on a dyno doesnt necessarily mean the people would want to take it on the track . My VR6 will never go on a track yet make close to double the power of most cars there .

[whiteVR6]

Could this be like the one they held at the Auto Salon?

Those who find the dyno 'too boring' can continue looking around the show and those who are interested can watch the dyno...

I don't see how that wouldnt work... or is there something i overlooked???

:)

[coby]

Can I come if I have my car running with a GT3076 by then?
I'd doubt it will be to its full potential in a year but I may have a BT on my current engine for a while.

I think it's a good idea on a commercial side of things
Maybe have a power/capacity challenge or something..

[DubSteve]

Only if you want to become a fanboy.

[SoVeReIgN]

3-4 hours...

2 MAX.

Takes 2.5 to get from Canberra to fairfield..

You could probably do it in 1 if you were keen.

[The_Hawk]

Could this be like the one they held at the Auto Salon?

Those who find the dyno 'too boring' can continue looking around the show and those who are interested can watch the dyno...

I don't see how that wouldnt work... or is there something i overlooked???

:)

Thats what I was thinking, rather than a different day, you put it in a corner of the show with different cars running throughout the show day for people to watch. Those interested could watch it all, with breaks to looks at all the VW porn around the rest of the show :D

Only down side is you then need a portable dyno.

[whiteVR6]

Only down side is you then need a portable dyno.

Easy done!

I'm pretty sure the guys that do our dyno days have one... I saw them at the auto salon in QLD :biggrin: